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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:32 am

A/C 5305, N505UA A 757-222 was flown SFO-GYR on 2-14 to be retired
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:04 am

VC10er wrote:
aviator96 wrote:
VC10er wrote:
What is a “PBE in the rear” mean?
(Depending on the acronym that could sound naughty)
Aviator96; Of all the delays mentioned above, and some very significant time wise) is there a common thread that links them? Such as all these aircraft are old and often have maintenance issues?
And while it sounds terrible for UA are those delays consistent with other similar sized airlines, or something more unique to UA vs DL or AA, etc.
Thanks


PBE is short for protective breathing equipment (more info in links: https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/business-aviation/2012-10-30/protective-breathing-equipment-helps-pilots-breathe https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retrieveECFR?gp=&SID=d718193748e8a58f6fa227ad4019a1a4&r=SECTION&n=14y3.0.1.1.7.11.2.26). This was mandated by the FAA in a fleet campaign directive, FCD (I'm not familiar with what that is, but I assume it is similar to an Airworthiness Directive). I don't believe this is the AD that required the maintenance of the PBE, as this is a one-time AD, but I can imagine it would be something similar http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAD.nsf/0/b88e646b403ad51f8625780f00549599/$FILE/2011-01-09.pdf. "In rear of the aircraft" I gather they had to install a new one in the aft galley for the flight attendants.

In answer to if there is a common thread among the delays, it would be the PBE installation. It was unfortunate that many aircraft had to undergo this maintenance at the same time. And there is no denying that the 763's are on the older side, but from what I've seen, they don't require maintenance that much more than any other type in the fleet. I just think UA got unlucky last night.

With regards to the other airlines, I am unsure. I would imagine that there 763's were also effected by the FCD and other maintenance issues that are part of operating an older aircraft.


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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:14 am

Ref PBE here is note about it.


We are installing an additional Protective Breathing Equipment (PBE) on all 767-300 (76A and 76C) aircraft. Effective February 23, be sure to check that there are 2 PBEs in compartment #912. On the 76A, the additional PBE will be installed in the ceiling of compartment #912 above the Thermal Containment Bag (TCB) or on the door of compartment #912A. On the 76C, the additional PBE will be attached to floor of compartment #912 below the current PBE.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:01 am

772:
N212UA exited VCV paint 2746/21Feb

78X:
78X Line Number 548, (Re-Work) now showing delivery of 3/31/19, probably as N16009
N12006 confirmed Line Number 814, in Pre-Flight
N91007 should be Line Number 822, In Final Assembly Line
N16008 should be Line Number 828, In Final Assembly Line
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:38 pm

The fleet changes and fleet status posts at the start of this thread have been updated.

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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 24, 2019 5:24 pm

752:
N14106 - ORD as of 20-Feb
N29129 - SFO as of 18-Feb

764:
N69059 - SFO as of 5-Feb

77W:
N2644U - SFO as of 20-Feb, likely PE installation
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 24, 2019 5:35 pm

For the first time ever this morning, I noticed that Copa Airlines has put 2x2 diamond lie flat seats on their new 737MAX9. It looks almost exactly like the UA version.
Got me thinking. Relatively new Diamond seats are soon to be removed from UA’s 788 & 789 fleets for Polaris. “IF” those seats (ala the UA 752) can fit on a 737MAX10, would UA consider repurposing those 787 seats on the 737MAX-10’s coming?
Or for the time being spruce up the F cabin on the 752 as the current Diamond seats on them are “Shabby un-Chic”?
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:40 pm

VC10er wrote:
For the first time ever this morning, I noticed that Copa Airlines has put 2x2 diamond lie flat seats on their new 737MAX9. It looks almost exactly like the UA version.
Got me thinking. Relatively new Diamond seats are soon to be removed from UA’s 788 & 789 fleets for Polaris. “IF” those seats (ala the UA 752) can fit on a 737MAX10, would UA consider repurposing those 787 seats on the 737MAX-10’s coming?
Or for the time being spruce up the F cabin on the 752 as the current Diamond seats on them are “Shabby un-Chic”?


Everything that has been written to date suggests that the 737 MAX10s will get a brand new seat so I would not expect to see any of the 787 seats get re-purposed for the MAX 10s. Based on the information on UA's website, the 787 seats are the same width as the 757 seats but the 757 seats are 2 inches shorter (6'4" vs 6'6" on the 787). Door 2 on the 757 is likely going to prohibit replacing the full seat but they could cannibalize the 787 seats for parts to fix the 757 seats.

Weight & balance issues are the reasons I've heard on why they didn't put flat beds on any 737NGs. Unfortunately this likely means that the seats will hit the secondhand market in one form or another. The same goes for the 777 lie flats coming off the GE powered 777s, they likely will not get fitted into the 772As.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:02 am

GmoneyCO wrote:
VC10er wrote:
For the first time ever this morning, I noticed that Copa Airlines has put 2x2 diamond lie flat seats on their new 737MAX9. It looks almost exactly like the UA version.
Got me thinking. Relatively new Diamond seats are soon to be removed from UA’s 788 & 789 fleets for Polaris. “IF” those seats (ala the UA 752) can fit on a 737MAX10, would UA consider repurposing those 787 seats on the 737MAX-10’s coming?
Or for the time being spruce up the F cabin on the 752 as the current Diamond seats on them are “Shabby un-Chic”?


Everything that has been written to date suggests that the 737 MAX10s will get a brand new seat so I would not expect to see any of the 787 seats get re-purposed for the MAX 10s. Based on the information on UA's website, the 787 seats are the same width as the 757 seats but the 757 seats are 2 inches shorter (6'4" vs 6'6" on the 787). Door 2 on the 757 is likely going to prohibit replacing the full seat but they could cannibalize the 787 seats for parts to fix the 757 seats.

Weight & balance issues are the reasons I've heard on why they didn't put flat beds on any 737NGs. Unfortunately this likely means that the seats will hit the secondhand market in one form or another. The same goes for the 777 lie flats coming off the GE powered 777s, they likely will not get fitted into the 772As.


Thanks! Interesting how 2 inches could count so much!
Confirming: the 772A is the high density version?
So UA will re-refurbish them? Take out the old back/forward seats and repurpose the Diamond seats? If so, would they lose total “lie flat” seat count?
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 26, 2019 2:16 pm

VC10er wrote:
GmoneyCO wrote:
VC10er wrote:
For the first time ever this morning, I noticed that Copa Airlines has put 2x2 diamond lie flat seats on their new 737MAX9. It looks almost exactly like the UA version.
Got me thinking. Relatively new Diamond seats are soon to be removed from UA’s 788 & 789 fleets for Polaris. “IF” those seats (ala the UA 752) can fit on a 737MAX10, would UA consider repurposing those 787 seats on the 737MAX-10’s coming?
Or for the time being spruce up the F cabin on the 752 as the current Diamond seats on them are “Shabby un-Chic”?


Everything that has been written to date suggests that the 737 MAX10s will get a brand new seat so I would not expect to see any of the 787 seats get re-purposed for the MAX 10s. Based on the information on UA's website, the 787 seats are the same width as the 757 seats but the 757 seats are 2 inches shorter (6'4" vs 6'6" on the 787). Door 2 on the 757 is likely going to prohibit replacing the full seat but they could cannibalize the 787 seats for parts to fix the 757 seats.

Weight & balance issues are the reasons I've heard on why they didn't put flat beds on any 737NGs. Unfortunately this likely means that the seats will hit the secondhand market in one form or another. The same goes for the 777 lie flats coming off the GE powered 777s, they likely will not get fitted into the 772As.


Thanks! Interesting how 2 inches could count so much!
Confirming: the 772A is the high density version?
So UA will re-refurbish them? Take out the old back/forward seats and repurpose the Diamond seats? If so, would they lose total “lie flat” seat count?


Correct, the 772A is the high density version. It's doubtful they will repurpose the Diamond seats into them though. Back on page 7, calpsafltskeds did a relatively quick analysis on what it would take to fit the Diamond seats into the 772As and it didn't make sense without a number of galley and possibly some lavatory changes. Most of the 772As are in the 20-25 year old range with only a few years left to go. Additionally, with the amount of time it will take to get enough of the GE 772 fleet changed over to Polaris seats to have enough seats on hand to do the 772A mods, coupled with a number of other factors the amount of work just doesn't make sense given the remaining lifespan of most of that fleet.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:30 pm

As per this week's OAG thread, SFO-MUC was extended through November, however on the UA website non-stops are bookable through Jan 2020 (in addition to the A380 flight on LH). Anybody have any info on whether SFO-MUC is being extended to year round?
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:06 pm

Any news on the used A319’s? We are supposed to receive 7-10 this year and none are in the mx pipeline to be configured.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:25 pm

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Any news on the used A319’s? We are supposed to receive 7-10 this year and none are in the mx pipeline to be configured.


It is my understanding that the way UA accounts for these is when they take ownership of them not when they expect them to be in-service.
Meaning, if UA has in the fleet plan to add any used planes, they will first take ownership then do any maintenance, refurb.

This is what has happened to the ex-HA 767's that are in the middle of the process to get to in-service, they are on the books as in the fleet.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:31 am

I have noticed that UA is using the 777 300ER on EWR-BOM, but not to DEL. I wonder if this is a response to EK launching EWR service (via DXB, of course). Anyone want to comment on this? There is no thread on this equipment change at this point so I am mentioning it here.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:04 pm

klwright69 wrote:
I have noticed that UA is using the 777 300ER on EWR-BOM, but not to DEL. I wonder if this is a response to EK launching EWR service (via DXB, of course). Anyone want to comment on this? There is no thread on this equipment change at this point so I am mentioning it here.


Because the upguage took place last year on October 31 and was announced early to mid summer 2018. Check the 2018 United Network thread you will find a whole discussion on this flight. And for the record the upguage had nothing to do with EK, UA's EWR-BOM-EWR needed the upguage of equipment do to increased demand and because of frequent weight restrictions on the BOM-EWR leg of the flight that often limited the amount of cargo we could carry. While DEL remains a 77E for now, UA is launching SFO-DEL seasonal service later this year to handle the increase in demand. If the season flight meet internal expectation it probably will go year around.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:40 pm

UA777FO wrote:
Any news on the used A319’s? We are supposed to receive 7-10 this year and none are in the mx pipeline to be configured.


There are currently 4 ex-Shaheen A319s in the pipe to be reconfigured. All 4 were brought to the US in late 2018, however only 3 of the 4 were delivered on paper due to the FAA shutdown. They should enter service sometime in May or June based on the induction timeline of the ex-China Southern A319s. As of the weekend all of the China Southern units that will be transitioned to UA are still in service with China Southern.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:20 pm

737MAX9 dual new deliveries:
N37513 sked to enter SEA Induction 2714/28Feb
N37514 sked to enter SEA Induction 2707/27Feb
13th and 14th UA 39M delivery

764:
N69059 sked to exit SFO 2740/27Feb after 3 weeks of unknown maint.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:06 pm

N666UA 763 HiJ will finally get a test hop in HKG on 3/1 barring any delays. Don't see anything on it's HA sister N684UA yet.

When would these see revenue service on EWR>LHR?
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:29 pm

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N666UA 763 HiJ will finally get a test hop in HKG on 3/1 barring any delays. Don't see anything on it's HA sister N684UA yet.

When would these see revenue service on EWR>LHR?

Hopefully, they will have enough of them in service by May that they could guarantee every flight from EWR-LHR was Polaris starting this summer.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:34 pm

N684UA may depend on N662UA, which is in HKG. We will see soon if it's in for maintenance or Polaris. It was to be on the retire list. If it gets Polaris my guess is excess Y seats from N660UA and N662UA will be used for the HA bird.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:40 pm

This might be a dumb question: Since the High J, ultra Premium 767’s will have such a new layout, would it go directly into international service or do some transcontinental runs first for training purposes? Ex: 787-10
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:44 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
N684UA may depend on N662UA, which is in HKG. We will see soon if it's in for maintenance or Polaris. It was to be on the retire list. If it gets Polaris my guess is excess Y seats from N660UA and N662UA will be used for the HA bird.


Are the Y seats the same in the Polaris birds and the two different 'vintages' of 2-class Diamond birds or are there differences? I thought (but could be wrong) that the Polaris birds were getting different Y seats than the 2-class Diamond birds. The odds are that there are enough re-usable ones to go around but it could mean that the HA birds get delayed until enough of the 2-class ones are upgraded to Hi-J to free up seats.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:28 pm

VC10er wrote:
This might be a dumb question: Since the High J, ultra Premium 767’s will have such a new layout, would it go directly into international service or do some transcontinental runs first for training purposes? Ex: 787-10


I would expect them to go right into service on EWR-LHR. Not sure when UA will finally load these 767s into the schedules, though.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:00 pm

VC10er wrote:
This might be a dumb question: Since the High J, ultra Premium 767’s will have such a new layout, would it go directly into international service or do some transcontinental runs first for training purposes? Ex: 787-10

What training do you feel needs to be done? It's the same airplane..
 
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Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:52 pm

VC10er wrote:
This might be a dumb question: Since the High J, ultra Premium 767’s will have such a new layout, would it go directly into international service or do some transcontinental runs first for training purposes? Ex: 787-10


Aside from interiors, nothing much about these birds is new so there won't be the same kind of shakedown.
 
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Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:27 pm

VC10er wrote:
This might be a dumb question: Since the High J, ultra Premium 767’s will have such a new layout, would it go directly into international service or do some transcontinental runs first for training purposes? Ex: 787-10

Not training per se, but wouldn’t be surprised to see them on some PS for utilization purposes.
 
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Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:13 am

calpsafltskeds wrote:
764:
N69059 sked to exit SFO 2740/27Feb after 3 weeks of unknown maint.


This aircraft had a landing gear change.
 
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Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:23 am

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VC10er wrote:
This might be a dumb question: Since the High J, ultra Premium 767’s will have such a new layout, would it go directly into international service or do some transcontinental runs first for training purposes? Ex: 787-10

What training do you feel needs to be done? It's the same airplane..


Ergo: my preamble about possibly a dumb question!
But my passing thought was determining serving time for 46 Polaris seats, PE and smaller Y section and on an aircraft that FA’s are very familiar with, but, now quite different. Although I realize the Polaris seat count is close to other aircraft frames- this is a very new 767 interior. From the seat map I’ve seen, the interior layout is clearly quite different and perhaps someone at UA would have thought it different enough for some practice runs.
BUT IM THRILLED TO READ THAT IT WILL ENTER TATL RIGHT AWAY!
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Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:57 am

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[BUT IM THRILLED TO READ THAT IT WILL ENTER TATL RIGHT AWAY!


So am I...headed EWR>LHR 4/16 so hoping for a ride on one. Before we get too happy, let's see if the test hop happens in a few hours from now.

Overall, pretty impressive the winter commitment by UA to get these birds into MOD with 2x 77W, 3-5x 772, 2x767 out currently.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:06 pm

753:
N57852 sked to exit MIA 2735/28Feb with slimline seats
N57855 should be far behind as last domestic slimline narrowbody to be converted
 
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Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:18 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
753:
N57852 sked to exit MIA 2735/28Feb with slimline seats
N57855 should be far behind as last domestic slimline narrowbody to be converted


Hello Calpsafitskeds!
Will these 753’s get the new F seat?

As I mostly fly out of EWR, it seems like there are few to zero 753’s? They “seem” to be SFO, ORD, IAH birds, but naturally I could be wrong. But I will say that for a few years now as I do more domestic flying than the past, looking at multiple US destinations and times, I “always” check the equipment being used on any flight I could consider- and NEVER see 757-300!
My friends that live in SF detest the 757-300, because if they get stuck further back, deplaning takes forever (they say)
Last: how old are the 753’s? And were they CO birds or UA or both?
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:23 pm

VC10er wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
753:
N57852 sked to exit MIA 2735/28Feb with slimline seats
N57855 should be far behind as last domestic slimline narrowbody to be converted


Hello Calpsafitskeds!
Will these 753’s get the new F seat?

As I mostly fly out of EWR, it seems like there are few to zero 753’s? They “seem” to be SFO, ORD, IAH birds, but naturally I could be wrong. But I will say that for a few years now as I do more domestic flying than the past, looking at multiple US destinations and times, I “always” check the equipment being used on any flight I could consider- and NEVER see 757-300!
My friends that live in SF detest the 757-300, because if they get stuck further back, deplaning takes forever (they say)
Last: how old are the 753’s? And were they CO birds or UA or both?
Thanks zillions

The 753's are CO planes. Most were delivered in the early 2000s. CO also picked up the ex-ATA 753s as well.

I flew on one IAH-AUS seated near the back - deplaning took almost as long as the flight itself...lol.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:57 pm

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As I mostly fly out of EWR, it seems like there are few to zero 753’s? They “seem” to be SFO, ORD, IAH birds, but naturally I could be wrong.


These days UA flies the 753s out of SFO, LAX, DEN, and ORD. IAH hasn't seen one regularly scheduled for a few years, I believe. Same with EWR. CO, and UA shortly after the merger, used to fly plenty of 753s from both airports.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:20 pm

Is it just my limited partially anecdotal experience, or is Skywest really struggling with the Express ops for united this winter? I can site some really wanky scheduling for crews that make no sense and frequently cause delays out of home airport.

The flip side is that they also seem more in tune with recovering by using ferry flights, but still....

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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:34 pm

N666UA test hop cancelled. Anyone know if this test hop is all it needs to do before being sent home?
 
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Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:26 pm

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N666UA test hop cancelled. Anyone know if this test hop is all it needs to do before being sent home?


Paperwork is not ready for the test flight. Test flight has been rescheduled for March 3
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:45 am

Any plans for one of the 77W or 787’s to be painted in the Star Alliance livery?
 
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Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:54 am

In honor of Women's History Month, United is holding a contest for female artists to design special liveries for two 757s. Each one will reflect the New York and California markets.

https://hub.united.com/her-art-here/

Cool idea!

Aside from that, what I find interesting is the template. You can see the Pantone colors for UA's color palette — none of which are gold. Also, the template has billboard United titles on the side of the fuselage. Perhaps some elements of a future standard livery that's yet to come?

https://s3.amazonaws.com/unitedhub/Her- ... elines.pdf
300 319 320 321 332 333 345 346 380 717 733 734 735 73G 738 739 744 752 753 762 763 772 77W 788 789 CR2 CR7 CR9 CRK Q400 E175 DC10 MD82 MD90
AA AF AS AY AZ B6 BA BR DL F9 FI GA HA KF LH MI QX SK SN SQ UA US VY WN
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:39 am

intotheair wrote:
In honor of Women's History Month, United is holding a contest for female artists to design special liveries for two 757s. Each one will reflect the New York and California markets.

https://hub.united.com/her-art-here/

Cool idea!

Aside from that, what I find interesting is the template. You can see the Pantone colors for UA's color palette — none of which are gold. Also, the template has billboard United titles on the side of the fuselage. Perhaps some elements of a future standard livery that's yet to come?

https://s3.amazonaws.com/unitedhub/Her- ... elines.pdf


I found it interesting that none of UA’s new color schemes have gold. Personally I’m disappointed they’ve moved away from it. I always thought the gold cheatline could be a bit thicker. Not wavey but thicker.

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Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:52 am

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I found it interesting that none of UA’s new color schemes have gold. Personally I’m disappointed they’ve moved away from it. I always thought the gold cheatline could be a bit thicker. Not wavey but thicker.

77H


Yeah, I always thought navy and gold was a timeless combination, but UA seems to think otherwise. For the merged UA, I always thought that combination looked a little more distinguished and global than the more patriotic palettes of the competitors.

I do wonder if this women's art project is somehow an early testing phase of a new livery. The instructions say the designs are limited to the new UA color palette. I can't help but think that perhaps this is a test to see what these colors and billboard titles look like on a real, live aircraft before committing to a new design fleetwide.

I could envision an all-white globe (no gold) on the tail, billboard titles, and a royal blue belly lower down with a light blue cheatline and royal blue engines. That wouldn't be a bad evolution, and it probably wouldn't look too out of place with the current livery during a transition period. I know I'm getting ahead of myself, but it's fun to think about.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:07 pm

77H wrote:
I found it interesting that none of UA’s new color schemes have gold. Personally I’m disappointed they’ve moved away from it. I always thought the gold cheatline could be a bit thicker. Not wavey but thicker.
77H


This is a direct copy and paste from Flying Together, it is part of a much larger article on UA changing and updated our brand.

What’s happening to gold?

We’re reducing the amount of gold we use as it was added to our color palette more than 20 years ago when the color was much more common and popular in design. These days, gold can tend to feel corporate, elite and somewhat old-school, and our shift to some of our new colors represents a more sleek and high-tech feel. Therefore, we have begun introducing other hues of our new color palette – like a few of our purples and blues – in areas where we used to feature gold. https://ft.ual.com/news/2019/02/19/our-new-colors

We all know the day is coming when UA will debut a new livery Oscar shelved the new livery project when he became CEO for reasons we've already discussed in other threads. However the team in charge of this project is now slowly introducing new color schemes into the United brand and would estimate we are only 2-4 years away from a new livery launching. The now merged UA has a lot of employees who have 30-70 years of service who are 58-70+ years of age and there will be a slew of retirements starting in the next 2-3 years which will continue for probably at least 7 years. Once these veterans of the old legacy CO and UA start retiring I think the new livery will launch and the old thing that will remain of legacy CO will be the globe on the tail, but all traces of gold will be gone. Its a slow process but again that is by design because there are still to many employees who have ties to the tulip (now gone) and the current CO livery. At some point UA has to leave both legacy UA and CO in the past and move forward and United and we are at the starting gate now but I do appreciate Oscars approach because what you don't want is to have your new brand tarnished by bitter employees. That isn't meant as a dig, nor is it a reflection on all UA employees but we can't rewrite history and UA has had some major gaffes.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:35 pm

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kaitakfan wrote:
N666UA test hop cancelled. Anyone know if this test hop is all it needs to do before being sent home?


Paperwork is not ready for the test flight. Test flight has been rescheduled for March 3


Thanks for the heads up. I see it loaded now
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:03 pm

As I have always said: Until United has at least the vast majority of aircraft (especially wide body international) refurbished with Polaris, PE, when the additional Polaris and UC Lounges are mostly completed, new beautiful gate areas at Hubs- and getting many accolades for their greatly improved customer service and operations- they need to hold off on the NEW livery. A new livery that is much more than a tweak, (more than a wavy line or special livery) it will send a signal (a promise actually) that UNITED is a basically a NEW airline, then, if they do not deliver on the promise a bold new livery will make- the “lipstick on a pig” comments and spewing of having been fooled, being lured back to the same old UA...it would be a huge mistake. Because you can only fool a consumer once, and if they don’t deliver the goods, that consumer won’t be back.
Perfect example: Little Caesar’s pizza had the best, funniest TV ads (almost) ever. Everyone ran to Little Caesar’s because the ads were so awesome and made such a great promise, but the pizza was “BAD” and after making zillions of millions at first, they died. Because people felt FOOLED.
United is getting there. But UA is a huge airline with tens of thousands of flier facing employees, a work in progress and so far, the biggest changes are awesome. But they are also incomplete. Very easy to pay an enormous fare for Polaris and then get the old Diamond seat on a 8 to 18 hour flight. Or do a transcontinental flight where F class looks old and worn out, once that Diamond seat is seriously rare, or gone completely, that domestic flights are on time on new looking ac, that customer service is seriously amazing- should they shout from the sky with a new livery “LOOK! Come back we are totally a NEW UNITED”
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:07 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
772:
N212UA exited VCV paint 2746/21Feb

78X:
78X Line Number 548, (Re-Work) now showing delivery of 3/31/19, probably as N16009
N12006 confirmed Line Number 814, in Pre-Flight
N91007 should be Line Number 822, In Final Assembly Line
N16008 should be Line Number 828, In Final Assembly Line


Does it look like UA will have enough 787X in service to operate the 6 flights in the summer schedule they announced (FRA, TLV, CDG, BCN, BRU, DUB) by the end of May? Not sure if they plan to continue using them on the Tcon flights once the TATL starts.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:12 pm

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In honor of Women's History Month, United is holding a contest for female artists to design special liveries for two 757s. Each one will reflect the New York and California markets.

https://hub.united.com/her-art-here/

Cool idea!

Aside from that, what I find interesting is the template. You can see the Pantone colors for UA's color palette — none of which are gold. Also, the template has billboard United titles on the side of the fuselage. Perhaps some elements of a future standard livery that's yet to come?

https://s3.amazonaws.com/unitedhub/Her- ... elines.pdf


Hmmm, while I applaud the idea in a huge way, and think transcontinental flights make a lot of sense, I’m not sure about a 752? For one thing, it’s a rather skinny canvas (unlike a 777) and the interiors are the worst in the fleet now that the 3 class 767s are gone. Especially the F cabin. So, I for one would hope while painting the winners on 2 752’s, they go in and fix her insides up as best as possible!
And take a soapy toothbrush to the air nozzles and remove the black gunk in the grooves of the nozzles, etc, etc.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:35 pm

VC10er wrote:
Hmmm, while I applaud the idea in a huge way, and think transcontinental flights make a lot of sense, I’m not sure about a 752? For one thing, it’s a rather skinny canvas (unlike a 777) and the interiors are the worst in the fleet now that the 3 class 767s are gone. Especially the F cabin. So, I for one would hope while painting the winners on 2 752’s, they go in and fix her insides up as best as possible!
And take a soapy toothbrush to the air nozzles and remove the black gunk in the grooves of the nozzles, etc, etc.

The design brief says "The designs should visually represent one of our two key regions: New York/New Jersey and California." That tells me this is about the service formally called P.S. The only aircraft dedicated to "P.S." routes are the sUA 752s.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:58 pm

adamblang wrote:
VC10er wrote:
Hmmm, while I applaud the idea in a huge way, and think transcontinental flights make a lot of sense, I’m not sure about a 752? For one thing, it’s a rather skinny canvas (unlike a 777) and the interiors are the worst in the fleet now that the 3 class 767s are gone. Especially the F cabin. So, I for one would hope while painting the winners on 2 752’s, they go in and fix her insides up as best as possible!
And take a soapy toothbrush to the air nozzles and remove the black gunk in the grooves of the nozzles, etc, etc.

The design brief says "The designs should visually represent one of our two key regions: New York/New Jersey and California." That tells me this is about the service formally called P.S. The only aircraft dedicated to "P.S." routes are the sUA 752s.


One wonders if these are the other two 757-222s slated to retire this year?
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:11 pm

adamblang wrote:
VC10er wrote:
Hmmm, while I applaud the idea in a huge way, and think transcontinental flights make a lot of sense, I’m not sure about a 752? For one thing, it’s a rather skinny canvas (unlike a 777) and the interiors are the worst in the fleet now that the 3 class 767s are gone. Especially the F cabin. So, I for one would hope while painting the winners on 2 752’s, they go in and fix her insides up as best as possible!
And take a soapy toothbrush to the air nozzles and remove the black gunk in the grooves of the nozzles, etc, etc.

The design brief says "The designs should visually represent one of our two key regions: New York/New Jersey and California." That tells me this is about the service formally called P.S. The only aircraft dedicated to "P.S." routes are the sUA 752s.


Yes, and I agree with using the 2 coasts. My only concern was that (as an artist myself) would find the shape of the 752 a challenge (unlike the Peter Max CO 772) like that special livery or not, it gave him a bigger canvas. And the current state of the interiors are pretty bad. It’s been discussed many times before that they are too old to pour serious money into yet will be around long enough to still many, many thousands of people. My last Diamond seat on a 752 transcontinental has a repair that looked just like bluish-grey nail polish.
I’m certain that fixing what used to be p.s. is in the cards, I just don’t know when, or what aircraft model if it can only be Boeing.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:14 pm

VC10er wrote:
adamblang wrote:
VC10er wrote:
Hmmm, while I applaud the idea in a huge way, and think transcontinental flights make a lot of sense, I’m not sure about a 752? For one thing, it’s a rather skinny canvas (unlike a 777) and the interiors are the worst in the fleet now that the 3 class 767s are gone. Especially the F cabin. So, I for one would hope while painting the winners on 2 752’s, they go in and fix her insides up as best as possible!
And take a soapy toothbrush to the air nozzles and remove the black gunk in the grooves of the nozzles, etc, etc.

The design brief says "The designs should visually represent one of our two key regions: New York/New Jersey and California." That tells me this is about the service formally called P.S. The only aircraft dedicated to "P.S." routes are the sUA 752s.


Yes, and I agree with using the 2 coasts. My only concern was that (as an artist myself) would find the shape of the 752 a challenge (unlike the Peter Max CO 772) like that special livery or not, it gave him a bigger canvas. And the current state of the interiors are pretty bad. It’s been discussed many times before that they are too old to pour serious money into yet will be around long enough to still many, many thousands of people. My last Diamond seat on a 752 transcontinental has a repair that looked just like bluish-grey nail polish.
I’m certain that fixing what used to be p.s. is in the cards, I just don’t know when, or what aircraft model if it can only be Boeing.

HP seemed to make special liveries on 752's work, just as AS and B6 are with A321's.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:43 pm

Glad to see some “color” to an otherwise “dull” brand. Hopefully we see some more creativity in other areas of the brand as it evolves.

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