VC10er wrote:

Also, since the merger so much money, untold MILLIONS of dollars have been spent on permanent fixtures and signage using that (hand drawn) UNITED we see today, it would be absolutely crazy wasteful to change signage all over the USA and the world. I’m certain that they can do an amazing job with an evolutionary livery design and save hundreds of millions of dollars and not have to change the embedded “word-mark”

United's current wordmark actually isn't hand-drawn or custom – it's just Gotham Bold stretched out with wide tracking. Early on in the merger, I thought they'd end up using Gotham as the default typeface for everything, but they went with Clan instead, which PMUA started using in a redesign of Hemispheres.

intotheair wrote:

VC10er wrote:

Also, since the merger so much money, untold MILLIONS of dollars have been spent on permanent fixtures and signage using that (hand drawn) UNITED we see today, it would be absolutely crazy wasteful to change signage all over the USA and the world. I’m certain that they can do an amazing job with an evolutionary livery design and save hundreds of millions of dollars and not have to change the embedded “word-mark”

United's current wordmark actually isn't hand-drawn or custom – it's just Gotham Bold stretched out with wide tracking. Early on in the merger, I thought they'd end up using Gotham as the default typeface for everything, but they went with Clan instead, which PMUA started using in a redesign of Hemispheres.

I just wish they'd made the wordmark and the globe logo the same height. Especially since for division logos they do like Continental did and have "United" on one line and the division in an accent color below it, the two words together ending up the same height as the globe.

CALTECH wrote:

jayunited wrote:

jetmatt777 wrote:

Notice how United has promised growth at pretty much every hub? I feel they are purposefully muddying the waters so the competition doesn’t know exactly what to expect.

United doesn’t have the available aircraft time to grow SFO, DEN, ORD, IAD, and EWR. New aircraft are coming, but not at a breathtaking rate.

There is no muddying of waters this year alone UA and UAX will add a total of 65 aircraft, 40 are mainline and 25 will be E175s. These numbers are on top of the 28 mainline aircraft that were added to the fleet last year.
https://liveandletsfly.boardingarea.com ... leet-plan/

Chatter was the number 48, though I heard 48 MAXs and 48 787s 2019, but I believe it had to be a total of 48 mainline 2019. Probably a misstatement.

More chatter, Airbus fleet is first to start retiring in the next 2-3 years. Used Airbuses are to retire some of the older ones while keeping the fleet for growth for now.

subUAL 757s will go, but the Rolls powered ones will stay for a while till the MAX10 takes over the 757 duties.

The MAX will be the future (but things could change). https://liveandletsfly.boardingarea.com ... max-9-ife/

The A350 has been kicked down the road, and will either be cancelled or ordered in a number around 75 to retire 777-200s. Feast or Famine.

With a livery refresh, this year is going to be interesting.

How quickly do you think they could get the whole fleet repainted again? After all the Polaris mods are done, do you think they could open a few extra paint lines to speed it all up? It could take a while to repaint ~800+ planes, not to mention Express too.

I hope UA pulls a CX and debuts it on a current plane rather than a new delivery. AA's new livery debut was a little anticlimactic when we all saw the in-production pictures of their first 77Ws.

intotheair wrote:

VC10er wrote:

Also, since the merger so much money, untold MILLIONS of dollars have been spent on permanent fixtures and signage using that (hand drawn) UNITED we see today, it would be absolutely crazy wasteful to change signage all over the USA and the world. I’m certain that they can do an amazing job with an evolutionary livery design and save hundreds of millions of dollars and not have to change the embedded “word-mark”

United's current wordmark actually isn't hand-drawn or custom – it's just Gotham Bold stretched out with wide tracking. Early on in the merger, I thought they'd end up using Gotham as the default typeface for everything, but they went with Clan instead, which PMUA started using in a redesign of Hemispheres.

Do you know which Branding agency they work with these days? When they first cut Pentagram loose, I heard a rumor that the CO management went back to Lippincott.
I must say that I don’t love the graphic design United usually puts out in comparison to what Pentagram did. Pentagram is among the few best. Lippincott is FAR more brand strategy oriented, very expensive and the senior executive teams they assign to clients are well known not to get very involved with design, that once the final deck is approved the strategy execs don’t follow through so that the expression of the expensive strategy work isn’t brought to life. Although Lippincott do have designers...one of the flaws in the branding industry (and advertising too) is that there is a perception that ONE agency cannot be great at both, the agency is either strong strategically but weak in execution (design) OR an agency is great at creative (design) but then considered to have too much creative DNA to be strong strategically. When, in fact what is needed is: “what is great brand strategy if it isn’t then translated and executed flawlessly via great creative or design?”
The BEST creative work for UNITED, IMHO has been done by PriestmanGoode, all environmental branding design which has essentially made up for the post merger skitso graphic branding - decisions based on costs and how to give enough to both employee groups...and put the major fix ups to the UNITED brand (as the world would see) on the back burner until the bumps were smoothed out.

VC10er wrote:

Do you know which Branding agency they work with these days? When they first cut Pentagram loose, I heard a rumor that the CO management went back to Lippincott.
I must say that I don’t love the graphic design United usually puts out in comparison to what Pentagram did. Pentagram is among the few best. Lippincott is FAR more brand strategy oriented, very expensive and the senior executive teams they assign to clients are well known not to get very involved with design, that once the final deck is approved the strategy execs don’t follow through so that the expression of the expensive strategy work isn’t brought to life. Although Lippincott do have designers...one of the flaws in the branding industry (and advertising too) is that there is a perception that ONE agency cannot be great at both, the agency is either strong strategically but weak in execution (design) OR an agency is great at creative (design) but then considered to have too much creative DNA to be strong strategically. When, in fact what is needed is: “what is great brand strategy if it isn’t then translated and executed flawlessly via great creative or design?”
The BEST creative work for UNITED, IMHO has been done by PriestmanGoode, all environmental branding design which has essentially made up for the post merger skitso graphic branding - decisions based on costs and how to give enough to both employee groups...and put the major fix ups to the UNITED brand (as the world would see) on the back burner until the bumps were smoothed out.

I know Lippincott definitely did the design work post-merger. It was on their website. What's interesting now is that United is nowhere to be found on the Lippincott site anymore. I wonder whether they've taken it to another agency? I know mcgarrybowen is UA's ad agency.

I agree that Pentagram did great work for PMUA, and I wish it were the surviving identity. Looking at Pentagram's portfolio now though and their more recent work is not their best.

Crazy how many current airlines have liveries designed by Lippincott – UA, DL, WN, HA, and now EI.

The current routing for N666UA has finally be updated.
After the aircraft ferry positions to IAD the tentative schedule is as follows:

UA974-12 IAD-GVA
UA975-13 GVA-IAD
UA861-14 IAD-GRU
UA860-15 GRU-IAD
UA345-16 IAD-HNL
UA344-16 HNL-IAD
UA762-17 IAD-IAH
UA2091-17 IAH-IAD

Keep in mind this schedule is subject to change.

The fleet changes and fleet status posts at the start of this thread have been updated.

✈️ atcsundevil

intotheair wrote:

Crazy how many current airlines have liveries designed by Lippincott – UA, DL, WN, HA, and now EI.

For that reason (and also the rest of their portfolio) I've always laughed at how Lippincott was often trashed for their work with CO, but they are undoubtedly a top-flight agency.

mcgarrybowen has done some pretty innovative work with UA, and along with PriestmanGoode, have incrementally transformed the look-and-feel of the company since the merger, from horribly generic to what is becoming a more modern, cohesive brand experience. There's still quite a bit of work to be done, but things are pointed in the right direction.

jayunited wrote:

The current routing for N666UA has finally be updated.
After the aircraft ferry positions to IAD the tentative schedule is as follows:

UA974-12 IAD-GVA
UA975-13 GVA-IAD
UA861-14 IAD-GRU
UA860-15 GRU-IAD
UA345-16 IAD-HNL
UA344-16 HNL-IAD
UA762-17 IAD-IAH
UA2091-17 IAH-IAD

Keep in mind this schedule is subject to change.

Based on the booking levels, the IAD-GVA-IAD is the only flights below the new capacity. I would expect that they well keep it on GVA for awhile.

I really like the simple, all-blue version of the globe Priestmangoode put on the 777-300ER entrance and hope this is the new tail design. If you scroll down about 3/4 of the page below it's in the photo showing the two flight attendants, to the right of the male. There is only a single line representing the globe axis, rather than multiple lines used elsewhere: https://www.priestmangoode.com/project/ ... in-lounge/

I've never seen this application anywhere else. Even the globe logo on the 777-300ER rear bulkhead is different and a bit more complex. It's so odd they would use different versions of the globe in the same plane. I also like the Global Services globe logo, something totally different.

Priestmangoode says they design liveries on their website, so I wonder if they were involved in United's new design.

ord wrote:

I really like the simple, all-blue version of the globe Priestmangoode put on the 777-300ER entrance and hope this is the new tail design. If you scroll down about 3/4 of the page below it's in the photo showing the two flight attendants, to the right of the male. There is only a single line representing the globe axis, rather than multiple lines used elsewhere: https://www.priestmangoode.com/project/ ... in-lounge/

I've never seen this application anywhere else. Even the globe logo on the 777-300ER rear bulkhead is different and a bit more complex. It's so odd they would use different versions of the globe in the same plane. I also like the Global Services globe logo, something totally different.

Priestmangoode says they design liveries on their website, so I wonder if they were involved in United's new design.

I'm also a fan of the light blue on dark blue globe on the infotainment screen on that picture of the seats.

cosyr wrote:

ord wrote:

I really like the simple, all-blue version of the globe Priestmangoode put on the 777-300ER entrance and hope this is the new tail design. If you scroll down about 3/4 of the page below it's in the photo showing the two flight attendants, to the right of the male. There is only a single line representing the globe axis, rather than multiple lines used elsewhere: https://www.priestmangoode.com/project/ ... in-lounge/

I've never seen this application anywhere else. Even the globe logo on the 777-300ER rear bulkhead is different and a bit more complex. It's so odd they would use different versions of the globe in the same plane. I also like the Global Services globe logo, something totally different.

Priestmangoode says they design liveries on their website, so I wonder if they were involved in United's new design.

I'm also a fan of the light blue on dark blue globe on the infotainment screen on that picture of the seats.

Myself as well, I am hoping we see something along that line on the tail.

Something of a sidebar, that link including a pic of the walk up bar. I have yet to travel on the 77W when this was utilized. It has always been a staging area full of galley carts and garbage. It is such a shame that space is totally wasted

jayunited wrote:

The current routing for N666UA has finally be updated.
After the aircraft ferry positions to IAD the tentative schedule is as follows:

UA974-12 IAD-GVA
UA975-13 GVA-IAD
UA861-14 IAD-GRU
UA860-15 GRU-IAD
UA345-16 IAD-HNL
UA344-16 HNL-IAD
UA762-17 IAD-IAH
UA2091-17 IAH-IAD

Keep in mind this schedule is subject to change.

Looks like it's going straight into LHR service from EWR after a quick IAH turn on the 13th.

UA762-13 IAD-IAH
UA748-13 IAH-EWR
UA110-13 EWR-LHR
UA883-14 LHR-EWR
UA110 and UA883 14-17 EWR-LHR-EWR. Up until the 17th (as far out as assigning planes goes for now), looks like it will only operate as UA110 and UA883.

UA110 is a 19:10(L) departure and a 6:20(L) arrival.
UA883 is a 8:00(L) departure and a 12:20(L) arrival.

aviator96 wrote:

jayunited wrote:

The current routing for N666UA has finally be updated.
After the aircraft ferry positions to IAD the tentative schedule is as follows:

UA974-12 IAD-GVA
UA975-13 GVA-IAD
UA861-14 IAD-GRU
UA860-15 GRU-IAD
UA345-16 IAD-HNL
UA344-16 HNL-IAD
UA762-17 IAD-IAH
UA2091-17 IAH-IAD

Keep in mind this schedule is subject to change.

Looks like it's going straight into LHR service from EWR after a quick IAH turn on the 13th.

UA762-13 IAD-IAH
UA748-13 IAH-EWR
UA110-13 EWR-LHR
UA883-14 LHR-EWR
UA110 and UA883 14-17 EWR-LHR-EWR. Up until the 17th (as far out as assigning planes goes for now), looks like it will only operate as UA110 and UA883.

UA110 is a 19:10(L) departure and a 6:20(L) arrival.
UA883 is a 8:00(L) departure and a 12:20(L) arrival.

In less than 12 hours the schedule has changed it doesn't surprise me. I knew when I posted the first aircraft routing that there was no way they would route this aircraft IAD-HNL-IAD on a weekend because the flight is almost booked full in a standard 763. GRU was also questionable, but I thought for sure they would allow passengers traveling on IAD-GVA-IAD to experience this new configuration. It will be interesting to see if they leave it IAH-EWR that flight is normally full or close to full if they leave the schedule as is this would equal a significant number of oversales. Right now at this moment employee res is showing the flight as being 37 (revenue) seats oversold and United.com and the app has closed the flight to future sales. I wouldn't be surprised if they just ferried this frame from IAD to EWR on the 13th and found another way to balance out the equipment scales.

jayunited wrote:

The current routing for N666UA has finally be updated.
After the aircraft ferry positions to IAD the tentative schedule is as follows:

UA974-12 IAD-GVA
UA975-13 GVA-IAD
UA861-14 IAD-GRU
UA860-15 GRU-IAD
UA345-16 IAD-HNL
UA344-16 HNL-IAD
UA762-17 IAD-IAH
UA2091-17 IAH-IAD

Keep in mind this schedule is subject to change.

And it has changed. 666UA is in IAD unrouted.

DC8FanJet wrote:

jayunited wrote:

The current routing for N666UA has finally be updated.
After the aircraft ferry positions to IAD the tentative schedule is as follows:

UA974-12 IAD-GVA
UA975-13 GVA-IAD
UA861-14 IAD-GRU
UA860-15 GRU-IAD
UA345-16 IAD-HNL
UA344-16 HNL-IAD
UA762-17 IAD-IAH
UA2091-17 IAH-IAD

Keep in mind this schedule is subject to change.

And it has changed. 666UA is in IAD unrouted.

Nope. FR24 is not listing it, however, it is still scheduled.
12 IAD-HNL UA345
12 HNL-IAD UA344
13 IAD-IAH UA762
13 IAH-EWR UA748

N666UA now scheduled ferry IAD-ORD f2759.

UAX Update:

E45X:
N27152 has left ExpressJet and transferred to CommutAir.
N14171 landing accident on 4Mar. Unsure if being written off, but certainly out of service for the foreseeable future.

CR2:
All 16 ExpressJet units to be removed from service as E175SCs join the ExpressJet fleet beginning in April. Unsure if these frames will still fly UAX with Skywest or not.

Cmac787 wrote:

N666UA now scheduled ferry IAD-ORD f2759.

Okay today I'm finally getting some answers about this aircraft N666UA.
The aircraft was never supposed to enter revenue service as quickly as the previous multiple routing's suggested but some how our aircraft routers were never told this information and/or their system was not updated. When aircraft routers see an aircraft available they will use the aircraft unless there is something in the system to alerts them or they've been briefed not to use this aircraft for revenue service.

N666UA is being flown to ORD for crew training and a new catering demonstration. I'm not sure what the catering demonstration entails. I do know we are approaching the official launch of Premium Plus service, which will officially separate it from economy plus which is what premium plus is now. I'm not sure if the catering demonstration also entails some type of upgraded service UA intends to launch in Polaris on these premium heavy 67Ls. But the aircraft will be flown to ORD on today will taxi straight to UA's widebody hangars at the north end of the airport where it will remain for a least a few days.

jayunited wrote:

N666UA is being flown to ORD for crew training and a new catering demonstration. I'm not sure what the catering demonstration entails. I do know we are approaching the official launch of Premium Plus service, which will officially separate it from economy plus which is what premium plus is now. I'm not sure if the catering demonstration also entails some type of upgraded service UA intends to launch in Polaris on these premium heavy 67Ls. But the aircraft will be flown to ORD on today will taxi straight to UA's widebody hangars at the north end of the airport where it will remain for a least a few days.

I seriously doubt it's going to be an upgraded service, United is firmly in slash-and-burn mode for the Polaris soft product, and it's pretty sad. The service flow for 45-46 pax on a short eastbound TATL redeye from one galley is going to be a challenge, to say the least, to deliver in an acceptable period of time. My guess is we'll be back to the days of a 3-hour dinner service, only with dramatically lower quality, and not by choice.

I am very interested to hear from flight attendants about how the galley is packed out and how the service actually works.

N666UA headed EWR>LHR March 14. I wonder if the a/c will be dedicated to this route only or across any of the 5 EWR>LHR's?

With the FAA's grounding, does UA have the fleet flexibility to take 14 737 Max9's out of service without any cancellations? (Obviously, after today)

cosyr wrote:

With the FAA's grounding, does UA have the fleet flexibility to take 14 737 Max9's out of service without any cancellations? (Obviously, after today)

As of right now, yes, because with DEN being shut down due to blizzard conditions, there are aircraft to swap into that would have otherwise been temporarily parked. Future flights (as in tomorrow or the following day) can either be consolidated or cancelled based on operational need/flexibility.

The 737 Max 9 flights appear to mostly be replaced with B739's. However, UA1878 is using an A320 and UA740 is flown with a B738. Also, a 77W is scheduled to fly SFO-OGG as UA1273 later today. This will likely help with the canceling of the OGG-LAX flights when it flies back to SFO on Thursday.

Below are the Max 9 locations.
4-SFO
3-IAH
2-LAX
1-OGG
1-MSY
1-BOS
1-CUN
1-KOA

CapitalAvGeek wrote:

The 737 Max 9 flights appear to mostly be replaced with B739's. However, UA1878 is using an A320 and UA740 is flown with a B738. Also, a 77W is scheduled to fly SFO-OGG as UA1273 later today. This will likely help with the canceling of the OGG-LAX flights when it flies back to SFO on Thursday.

Below are the Max 9 locations.
4-SFO
3-IAH
2-LAX
1-OGG
1-MSY
1-BOS
1-CUN
1-KOA

Did the FAA completely ground them, or just ban revenue service? Will UA be able to re-position the ones away from hubs?

Can United bring some 757s out of storage to replace the 737 MAX 9?

blacksoviet wrote:

Can United bring some 757s out of storage to replace the 737 MAX 9?

Possible but highly unlikely. Given how long many of those aircraft have been in the desert and that they would need a very thorough inspection (and likely some work) before they enter revenue service, it would likely take longer to bring them back into service than the the grounding lasts. Not to mention the costs.

Before they consider re-activating retired 757s I would expect to see a umber of other things happen, firstly expanded widebody domestic service to take advantage of lower aircraft utilization in the slower season and to free up smaller aircraft to back fill the MAX9. Depending on if work has started on N677UA yet, we may see it put back into service. Also, the 757 slimline modification program has wrapped up which yields some additional lift as a number of the MAX9s were delivered while this program was ongoing.

Agree. Intl flying isn’t super busy and they could choose to delay some Polaris refits to have extra capacity in the system.

CapitalAvGeek wrote:

The 737 Max 9 flights appear to mostly be replaced with B739's. However, UA1878 is using an A320 and UA740 is flown with a B738. Also, a 77W is scheduled to fly SFO-OGG as UA1273 later today. This will likely help with the canceling of the OGG-LAX flights when it flies back to SFO on Thursday.

Below are the Max 9 locations.
4-SFO
3-IAH
2-LAX
1-OGG
1-MSY
1-BOS
1-CUN
1-KOA

SAL has 2

cosyr wrote:

CapitalAvGeek wrote:

The 737 Max 9 flights appear to mostly be replaced with B739's. However, UA1878 is using an A320 and UA740 is flown with a B738. Also, a 77W is scheduled to fly SFO-OGG as UA1273 later today. This will likely help with the canceling of the OGG-LAX flights when it flies back to SFO on Thursday.

Below are the Max 9 locations.
4-SFO
3-IAH
2-LAX
1-OGG
1-MSY
1-BOS
1-CUN
1-KOA

Did the FAA completely ground them, or just ban revenue service? Will UA be able to re-position the ones away from hubs?

It seems the FAA grounded all Boeing 737 MAX 8 and MAX 9 aircraft regardless of flight type. According to Ethan Klapper, if UA, AA or WN want to reposition any of their aircraft, they will need an FAA permit.
https://twitter.com/ethanklapper/status ... 4771526659

splitterz wrote:

SAL has 2

I believe both Max departures left SAL today, so no SAL does not have 2 there.

Here are the locations for all 14 UA MAX 9 aircraft
7501 BOS
7502 IAH
7503 IAH
7504 CUN
7505 MCO
7506 LAX
7507 IAH
7508 LAX
7509 LAX
7510 SAL
7511 SFO
7512 SFO
7513 IAH
7514 IAH

7508 is still in KOA

KVH68 wrote:

Here are the locations for all 14 UA MAX 9 aircraft
7501 BOS
7502 IAH
7503 IAH
7504 CUN
7505 MCO
7506 LAX
7507 IAH
7508 LAX
7509 LAX
7510 SAL
7511 SFO
7512 SFO
7513 IAH
7514 IAH

Most of these locations do not seem to be correct based on Flightradar24 and FlightAware data. I believe the correct locations are below with each planes last flight.
7501 in BOS (Flew IAH-BOS as UA1772)
7502 in MSY (Flew IAH-MSY as UA1754)
7503 in LAX (Flew IAH-LAX as UA1117)
7504 in LAX (Flew CUN-IAH as UA1653)
7505 in IAH (Flew MCO-IAH as UA1788)
7506 in SFO (Flew LAX-SFO as UA2186)
7507 in CUN (Flew IAH-CUN as UA1016)
7508 in KOA (Flew LAX-KOA as UA2373)
7509 in OGG (Flew LAX-OGG as UA417)
7510 in IAH (Flew SAL-IAH as UA1468)
7511 in SFO (Flew SAN-SFO as UA2258)
7512 in IAH (Flew SFO-IAH as UA540)
7513 in SFO (Flew IAH-SFO as UA1815)
7514 in SFO (Flew IAH-SFO as UA2187)

CapitalAvGeek wrote:

KVH68 wrote:

Here are the locations for all 14 UA MAX 9 aircraft
7501 BOS
7502 IAH
7503 IAH
7504 CUN
7505 MCO
7506 LAX
7507 IAH
7508 LAX
7509 LAX
7510 SAL
7511 SFO
7512 SFO
7513 IAH
7514 IAH

Most of these locations do not seem to be correct based on Flightradar24 and FlightAware data. I believe the correct locations are below with each planes last flight.
7501 in BOS (Flew IAH-BOS as UA1772)
7502 in MSY (Flew IAH-MSY as UA1754)
7503 in LAX (Flew IAH-LAX as UA1117)
7504 in LAX (Flew CUN-IAH as UA1653)
7505 in IAH (Flew MCO-IAH as UA1788)
7506 in SFO (Flew LAX-SFO as UA2186)
7507 in CUN (Flew IAH-CUN as UA1016)
7508 in KOA (Flew LAX-KOA as UA2373)
7509 in OGG (Flew LAX-OGG as UA417)
7510 in IAH (Flew SAL-IAH as UA1468)
7511 in SFO (Flew SAN-SFO as UA2258)
7512 in IAH (Flew SFO-IAH as UA540)
7513 in SFO (Flew IAH-SFO as UA1815)
7514 in SFO (Flew IAH-SFO as UA2187)

This is correct

CapitalAvGeek wrote:

It seems the FAA grounded all Boeing 737 MAX 8 and MAX 9 aircraft regardless of flight type. According to Ethan Klapper, if UA, AA or WN want to reposition any of their aircraft, they will need an FAA permit.

That's actually not a surprise, and obtaining a ferry permit from the FAA is a routine, common thing.
So to say that they're completely grounded unless they get a permit, well sure, but that is not conclusive as to whether the FAA is issuing ferry permits for the MAX situation or not.
We'll have to watch these tails for the next few days to get the answer!

blacksoviet wrote:

Can United bring some 757s out of storage to replace the 737 MAX 9?

SFOtoORD wrote:

Agree. Intl flying isn’t super busy and they could choose to delay some Polaris refits to have extra capacity in the system.

None of this is necessary as it stands right now at 7:10 am central time all except 2 roundtrips on UA's 79Ms have been covered by 739ERs. Yesterday UA started repositioning 739ERs, 738s and A320s across the system to take up the slack and there is some slack in those 3 fleet types. As of this morning the 2 uncovered roundtrip are 1x LAX-OGG and 1x SFO-OGG.
UA has already canceled one of our LAX-OGG flights on today the SFO-OGG flight has not been canceled as of yet UA is still trying to find an aircraft over cover this flight. No need to pull 757s out of storage, or stop Polaris installation, keep in mind only 14 aircraft have been grounded which effects only 40 flights and this morning 36 of those 40 flights are covered.
Over the past year UA has taken possession of more narrow bodies than we have retired so there is slack in the narrow body fleet it just a matter of repositioning the narrow body fleet to cover these 14 aircraft. UA's got it covered and that is on top of the recovery operation that starts today in DEN to get that operation up and running. Once we get DEN recovered and back on track and this monster storm clears the US I believe all 40 of our 79M flights can be covered by other narrow bodies.

Also there is slack in the 77E and the 77W fleets someone already pointed out UA flew a 77W SFO-OGG yesterday its scheduled to leave OGG later this afternoon arriving back at SFO around 20:30-21:00 so this will help get any stranded passengers on the canceled OGG-LAX flights out of OGG today.

blacksoviet wrote:

Can United bring some 757s out of storage to replace the 737 MAX 9?

I don’t think UA has any flyable 757s in storage other than, maybe, the one PS frame they retired last month.

Everything else has been gone for years and either sold off (Fedex bought a bunch for freighter conversion) or probably in derelict condition, having sat around since they were retired 4-5 years ago.

ord wrote:

I really like the simple, all-blue version of the globe Priestmangoode put on the 777-300ER entrance and hope this is the new tail design. If you scroll down about 3/4 of the page below it's in the photo showing the two flight attendants, to the right of the male. There is only a single line representing the globe axis, rather than multiple lines used elsewhere: https://www.priestmangoode.com/project/ ... in-lounge/

I've never seen this application anywhere else. Even the globe logo on the 777-300ER rear bulkhead is different and a bit more complex. It's so odd they would use different versions of the globe in the same plane. I also like the Global Services globe logo, something totally different.

Priestmangoode says they design liveries on their website, so I wonder if they were involved in United's new design.

From a “Design Excellence” POV PriestmanGoode is an extremely good brand interiors agency. But EVERY AGENCY says they do EVERYTHING. So, while I have no clue if they are working on the livery, they have managed to work with an extremely difficult logo (the CO globe) and integrate it well into their industrial design. Perhaps if they have a solid good relationship with United senior management, they could have been given a shot.

I personally think (a good guess) United does a lot of work in-house, and doesn’t have an agency like Lippencott or Landor or Futurebrand etc on retainer or uses any of them on a project by project basis (because that would have leaked by now). I have found the Creative Director and Brand Design Director for United’s in-house studio on LinkedIn. I’ve sent them a note on the WILD chance they would ever call my small branding agency. I would love nothing more!

Last: I doubt a client would ever call Lippencott for just a “design” project as their focus is NOT creative. Personally I think Peter Knapp at Landor London would be perfect for a new United livery...nobody is better!

calpsafltskeds wrote:

78X:
N12006 just moved to flight testing - first flight BOE046/16Mar CHS-CHS

Maybe it will do a IAD-PEK rt like a couple of the other 78Xs have done after induction.
A week from Wednesday would be really nice, to be exact!

Looking at the Fleet Site, it appears that there are now 18 772s with Polaris, with 4 more currently in the works. The dedicated 772 Polaris routes that have been announced so far only appear to require 10 frames (plus one or two spares, I'm guessing), so I'm wondering if we'll see UA announce an expansion of the dedicated 772 Polaris routes for summer, perhaps at the same time they formally announce the 76L routes/schedules. I could see SFO-LHR, IAD-LHR, IAD-NRT, and HNL-NRT (because it rotates with IAD-NRT) being added, which would account for an additional 5 frames. IAD-FRA (x2), IAD-MUC, IAD-FCO, and EWR-FCO would round out the pmUA 772 routes that don't touch ORD, and could probably conceivably be covered by the Polaris-equipped fleet if there are 22+ available by June.

Note - I'm not hating on ORD here; just speculating that UA could decide to finish expanding Polaris from SFO and IAD first for operational simplicity.

FSDan wrote:

Looking at the Fleet Site, it appears that there are now 18 772s with Polaris, with 4 more currently in the works. The dedicated 772 Polaris routes that have been announced so far only appear to require 10 frames (plus one or two spares, I'm guessing), so I'm wondering if we'll see UA announce an expansion of the dedicated 772 Polaris routes for summer, perhaps at the same time they formally announce the 76L routes/schedules. I could see SFO-LHR, IAD-LHR, IAD-NRT, and HNL-NRT (because it rotates with IAD-NRT) being added, which would account for an additional 5 frames. IAD-FRA (x2), IAD-MUC, IAD-FCO, and EWR-FCO would round out the pmUA 772 routes that don't touch ORD, and could probably conceivably be covered by the Polaris-equipped fleet if there are 22+ available by June.

Note - I'm not hating on ORD here; just speculating that UA could decide to finish expanding Polaris from SFO and IAD first for operational simplicity.

I think that's a good guess. A lot of those routes are showing seat maps with the old F and J, but the Y cabin is shown as 10-across with one middle seat blocked in every row.

Just saw this update for today's (3-23) schedule. Tail numbers N686UA and N670UA are both being ferried to HKG via HNL. I know N686UA is an ex-HA bird that is being ferried to HKG for Polaris and PE installation. However outside of the ferry flight for N670UA I don't see any information on if this aircraft is going in for Polaris and PE or just regularly scheduled maintenance.