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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:45 pm

Thanks jayunited
763:
N670UA sked to enter HKG 2786/24Mar, probable Polaris/PE mod
N686UA sked to enter HKG 2715/24Mar, Polaris/PE mod plus whatever work is needed to become a UA aircraft.

N684UA might be close after an STC to exit HKG (my guess is Y seats came off N666UA and N677UA). If so, then 2 units were in active mod (N684UA/N677UA), and 2 mod units will now become N677UA and N670UA. I expect N686UA will wait for seats from N670UA and the next 763 2 class arriving in HKG after N677UA is ready (3 or more weeks away).
So, I would expect N670UA would be in for Polaris/PE along with maint.

772:
N228UA sked to exit AMA paint 2707/24Mar

78X:
N12006 delayed IAD Induction by a day to 2707/24Mar
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:23 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
Thanks jayunited
763:
N670UA sked to enter HKG 2786/24Mar, probable Polaris/PE mod
N686UA sked to enter HKG 2715/24Mar, Polaris/PE mod plus whatever work is needed to become a UA aircraft.

N684UA might be close after an STC to exit HKG (my guess is Y seats came off N666UA and N677UA). If so, then 2 units were in active mod (N684UA/N677UA), and 2 mod units will now become N677UA and N670UA. I expect N686UA will wait for seats from N670UA and the next 763 2 class arriving in HKG after N677UA is ready (3 or more weeks away).
So, I would expect N670UA would be in for Polaris/PE along with maint.

772:
N228UA sked to exit AMA paint 2707/24Mar

78X:
N12006 delayed IAD Induction by a day to 2707/24Mar


No, no, no, thank you calpsafltskeds. You are the one who keeps on top of this on this thread and have done so for years and I for one appreciate the work you put into this thread.
It just caught me by surprise this morning because I hadn't seen anything in the schedule leading up to today, then this morning I see two 767 maintenance ferries to HNL which I thought was strange and once I pulled up the current routing that is when I saw HNL-HKG ferries. I did a little digging and it seems like this time around UA didn't get the landing permits from HKG till this past Thursday late which would have been Friday morning in HKG which is kind of late (who knows why). that late approval probably explains why it went unnoticed until this mornings schedule. Well it didn't go completely unnoticed the pilots noticed it and must have jumped on these two unscheduled flights quickly.

I just get excited when I see another aircraft going in for Polaris modification, because it means another aircraft is almost finished with modification and will be returned to service soon. That in turn means means UA is one frame closer to finally having a unified on-board hard product on our widebody international fleet.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:54 pm

I had seen the N686UA trip, but not the N670UA one and was going to post with other changes - I usually hold off until I have a few changes unless its the equivalent of a stop the presses type movement.
Its you involvement along with others that keep this thread completely up to date.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:29 pm

This has still gone unanswered and I am just so curious..

What is the significant when we hear a plane goes in for a "Crew Modification" ?

To a passenger it's probably a so what? However to us airline employees am I understanding this means adding a Crew Rest which means no more blocking the J Seats for Crew Rest?

Always great work to everyone else, also watching with excitement as more and more planes get done with Polaris!

If I have it down right...

73G-Going Slimline and taking out the Direct TV and adding new F Class
A319-Getting another row of F Class
753-Getting Slimline, removing Direct TV and new F Class. Any chance of new overhead bins or other interior changes?
763-Conversion of 3 Class to 2 Class, Conversion of HA Birds to UA Birds, and Addition of Polaris and Premium Plus to our Heavy J Config?
772-Conversion of 3 Class to 2 Class with Polaris, Prem Plus and new Y Seats and Interior?

738/739-Getting rid of Direct TV and going to new F Class? What movement IS going on with our 738 and 739? I have mentioned the inconsistency between our 737's, some have Boeing Sky Interior, some don't, some have Direct TV, some don't, etc. I try to avoid the 737's mostly because I just don't know what I am going to get. I wish UA was moving to a consistent interior with our 738 and 739's.

788/789-Moving towards Polaris and Premium Plus
78J-Delivering as is with New Y Seats, and Polaris and Premium Plus
77W-Conversion to add Premium Plus to the aircraft.
764-Nothing for now, but eventually going to Polaris and Prem Plus?

Do I have it right?! Hahaha

I sure wish UA would greatly enhance the fleet by adding overhead bin space like AA and DL have, mood lighting on all our aircraft for mainline, and finally...adding one free snack and a drink for our Economy Plus like AA/DL do. That alone would be a huge improvement.

Just my opinion but I fly these planes as PS every week, and I just never know what I am going to get due to lack of consistency. I know we are working towards that though, and it is truly noticeable every week with the changes!

GREAT Work to my UA Colleagues!

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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:12 pm

atrude777 wrote:
This has still gone unanswered and I am just so curious..

What is the significant when we hear a plane goes in for a "Crew Modification" ?

To a passenger it's probably a so what? However to us airline employees am I understanding this means adding a Crew Rest which means no more blocking the J Seats for Crew Rest?

Always great work to everyone else, also watching with excitement as more and more planes get done with Polaris!



73G-Going Slimline and taking out the Direct TV and adding new F Class
A319-Getting another row of F Class
753-Getting Slimline, removing Direct TV and new F Class. Any chance of new overhead bins or other interior changes?
763-Conversion of 3 Class to 2 Class, Conversion of HA Birds to UA Birds, and Addition of Polaris and Premium Plus to our Heavy J Config?
772-Conversion of 3 Class to 2 Class with Polaris, Prem Plus and new Y Seats and Interior?

738/739-Getting rid of Direct TV and going to new F Class? What movement IS going on with our 738 and 739? I have mentioned the inconsistency between our 737's, some have Boeing Sky Interior, some don't, some have Direct TV, some don't, etc. I try to avoid the 737's mostly because I just don't know what I am going to get. I wish UA was moving to a consistent interior with our 738 and 739's.

788/789-Moving towards Polaris and Premium Plus
78J-Delivering as is with New Y Seats, and Polaris and Premium Plus
77W-Conversion to add Premium Plus to the aircraft.
764-Nothing for now, but eventually going to Polaris and Prem Plus?

Do I have it right?! Hahaha

I sure wish UA would greatly enhance the fleet by adding overhead bin space like AA and DL have, mood lighting on all our aircraft for mainline, and finally...adding one free snack and a drink for our Economy Plus like AA/DL do. That alone would be a huge improvement.

Just my opinion but I fly these planes as PS every week, and I just never know what I am going to get due to lack of consistency. I know we are working towards that though, and it is truly noticeable every week with the changes!

GREAT Work to my UA Colleagues!

Alex


I’m 10000% with you on the 737-800 & 900. Some of the 739’s are quite new looking inside and while boring blue are at least spiffy and appear brand new- the F seat is not that bad. The 738 has F seats that look and feel like junk and not worth the premium price.
My only conclusion (as they are RARELY discussed that they are dead last to be refurbished.)
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:50 pm

atrude777 wrote:

73G-Going Slimline and taking out the Direct TV and adding new F Class
A319-Getting another row of F Class
753-Getting Slimline, removing Direct TV and new F Class. Any chance of new overhead bins or other interior changes?
763-Conversion of 3 Class to 2 Class, Conversion of HA Birds to UA Birds, and Addition of Polaris and Premium Plus to our Heavy J Config?
772-Conversion of 3 Class to 2 Class with Polaris, Prem Plus and new Y Seats and Interior?

738/739-Getting rid of Direct TV and going to new F Class? What movement IS going on with our 738 and 739? I have mentioned the inconsistency between our 737's, some have Boeing Sky Interior, some don't, some have Direct TV, some don't, etc. I try to avoid the 737's mostly because I just don't know what I am going to get. I wish UA was moving to a consistent interior with our 738 and 739's.

788/789-Moving towards Polaris and Premium Plus
78J-Delivering as is with New Y Seats, and Polaris and Premium Plus
77W-Conversion to add Premium Plus to the aircraft.
764-Nothing for now, but eventually going to Polaris and Prem Plus?


Hopefully this helps :)
73G- mods completed, all have slimlines & new F seats, direct tv is staying
A319 and A320- correct, all will get extra row of F
753- mods completed, all have slimlines, new F seats, and Direct TV is gone, no other interior changes
763- correct
772- correct, all 77E going to Polaris/PE
738/739- unfortunately no changes on the horizon
788/789- correct, first Polaris/PE mods this summer
78X- correct, being delivered
77W- only 1 more until all have PE
764- correct, planned but no timeframe
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:36 am

I'm questioning the 753s. About the time DTV became free, several 753s at the end of the slimline mod process came out and still show DTV. Aircraft 3853, 3855, 3856 show DTV on flight amenities.
This seems odd as I would expect the DTV fits into a certain seatback.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:30 pm

Looks like another 77E is coming out of XMN. UA has applied for a landing slot at HKG for 4/1/2019 tentative flight number UA2764 tail number N782UA. There is also an application for a takeoff slot HKG-XMN for tail number N206UA for 4/1/2019 tentative flight number UA2730 however the current routing for N206UA shows the aircraft being in the US at SFO on 3/31/2019.
The applications were filed today approval should be in by tomorrow or at the latest Tuesday the current routing for N782UA should be updated by Wednesday evening. Hopefully by Wednesday the routing for N206UA will be updated if that is indeed the next aircraft going in for modification. But the good news is another 77E will rejoin the fleet on 4/1 with Polaris and PE which will bring the total number of PW 77Es with Polaris and PE to 18 frames.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:48 pm

A319 4052 will exit AMA with a fresh coat of paint 3-24 as flight 2732 AMA-EWR
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:28 pm

jayunited wrote:
Looks like another 77E is coming out of XMN. UA has applied for a landing slot at HKG for 4/1/2019 tentative flight number UA2764 tail number N782UA. There is also an application for a takeoff slot HKG-XMN for tail number N206UA for 4/1/2019 tentative flight number UA2730 however the current routing for N206UA shows the aircraft being in the US at SFO on 3/31/2019.
The applications were filed today approval should be in by tomorrow or at the latest Tuesday the current routing for N782UA should be updated by Wednesday evening. Hopefully by Wednesday the routing for N206UA will be updated if that is indeed the next aircraft going in for modification. But the good news is another 77E will rejoin the fleet on 4/1 with Polaris and PE which will bring the total number of PW 77Es with Polaris and PE to 18 frames.




Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't 18 already done. 17 sUA and 1 sCO so if 2882 does come out 4/1 it will make #19.
 
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Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:40 pm

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A319 4052 will exit AMA with a fresh coat of paint 3-24 as flight 2732 AMA-EWR


Probably the last plane (not including new delivery) to get the current livery.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:40 pm

Then you both are correct...jayunited mentioned Pratt & Whitney 77Es (sUA)...the 1 sCO is a GE powered.
 
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Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:50 pm

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Then you both are correct...jayunited mentioned Pratt & Whitney 77Es (sUA)...the 1 sCO is a GE powered.


Thx I stand corrected.But good news is with #19 coming out shortly now past 1/3 way mark!!
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:46 pm

Does anyone know why 737 MAX9 ship 7515 went to New Iberia LA? Never seen any UA plane go there
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:05 pm

Paint or storage???
Boeing ferried several max8s to PAE a few days ago.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:42 am

calpsafltskeds wrote:
Paint or storage???
Boeing ferried several max8s to PAE a few days ago.


I was looking at Google maps of the New Iberia airport. There is a company called Aviation Exteriors Louisiana (AvEx) that paints aircrafts.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:52 am

KVH68 wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
Paint or storage???
Boeing ferried several max8s to PAE a few days ago.


I was looking at Google maps of the New Iberia airport. There is a company called Aviation Exteriors Louisiana (AvEx) that paints aircrafts.


Maybe that's our reveal aircraft for the updated livery? Makes sense to use a plane they can't count on for the daily schedule anyway...
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:59 am

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Does anyone know why 737 MAX9 ship 7515 went to New Iberia LA? Never seen any UA plane go there


UA has MX completed there on 737's, so it may be there for storage if they ran out of room in HOU.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:26 am

antoniemey wrote:
KVH68 wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
Paint or storage???
Boeing ferried several max8s to PAE a few days ago.


I was looking at Google maps of the New Iberia airport. There is a company called Aviation Exteriors Louisiana (AvEx) that paints aircrafts.


Maybe that's our reveal aircraft for the updated livery? Makes sense to use a plane they can't count on for the daily schedule anyway...


No way would United introduce their new branding on a plane that is grounded by the FAA. I would hope they would use a plane they can bring around the hubs on a PR stunt type of thing.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:02 pm

77W:
N2534U sked to exit SFO 888/28Mar, PE confirmed by seat map
N2747U sked to enter SFO 838/27Mar, PE expected (last of 18 to receive PE)
 
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Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:07 pm

Quick Question: why did UA decide to put the new F seat on their 737-7, but decided against the 737-800/900?
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Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:50 pm

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Quick Question: why did UA decide to put the new F seat on their 737-7, but decided against the 737-800/900?


the 738/739 are next to get the new F seats. I just flew on a 738 from SFO-LAS-SFO and those F seats need a major overhaul.........
 
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Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:02 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
77W:
N2534U sked to exit SFO 888/28Mar, PE confirmed by seat map
N2747U sked to enter SFO 838/27Mar, PE expected (last of 18 to receive PE)


damn, they hauled ass on the PE mod for the 77W
 
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Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:19 pm

xxcr wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
77W:
N2534U sked to exit SFO 888/28Mar, PE confirmed by seat map
N2747U sked to enter SFO 838/27Mar, PE expected (last of 18 to receive PE)


damn, they hauled ass on the PE mod for the 77W


Agreed...77W fleet is now one sweet ride with two more coming yet in 2019 and two in 2020. Expecting a flurry of 772's to come out of mod with Polaris / PE very soon also.

Regarding the mods in general, it will be interesting to see how the summer season affects the conversion rates. With 4x 772's + 3 x 767's in mod, it's a sizable commitment.
 
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Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:47 pm

xxcr wrote:
VC10er wrote:
Quick Question: why did UA decide to put the new F seat on their 737-7, but decided against the 737-800/900?


the 738/739 are next to get the new F seats. I just flew on a 738 from SFO-LAS-SFO and those F seats need a major overhaul.........


I know all about those horrible cardboard, leather covered boxes they have on the 737-800 in F. I will take a flight earlier or later to get an Airbus or 73G. But a good number of posts before this mention UA has no intention to do anything with those 737-8/900’s. (At least not yet)

I did once read a post about CO ordering those 738’s and intentionally buying the most inexpensive F seat possible due to financial issues at the time.

I’m no expert or insider, but when the United survey comes after a fight, I mention them EVERY TIME, even if I just got off a 77W! (And the second UC upstairs on concourse 3 at TC at EWR!)
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:30 am

United N27515, Max 9, flew from New Iberia (ARA) to Seattle (BFI) on March 27
 
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Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:48 am

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United N27515, Max 9, flew from New Iberia (ARA) to Seattle (BFI) on March 27


Hmm. Cheap parking or maybe there to test the software patch when it’s ready?
 
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Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:58 am

SFOtoORD wrote:
KVH68 wrote:
United N27515, Max 9, flew from New Iberia (ARA) to Seattle (BFI) on March 27


Hmm. Cheap parking or maybe there to test the software patch when it’s ready?


I think Boeing is sending planes to New Iberia for paint. They just flew a SpiceJet, Max 8 to New Iberia.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:14 pm

Another PW 77E is now scheduled to exit XMN, tail number N229UA will exit on 4/3 as UA2756 XMN-HKG. Taking its place will be tail number N219UA on 4/3 as UA2757 HKG-XMN.
Along with N782UA which is schedule to exit XMN on 4/1 this will bring the total number of PW 77Es with Polaris and PE to 20 frames. Two PW 77Es will exit XMN and two more will take their place United seem to have gotten the 77Es down to a science not many delays like we saw/see with the 763 fleet. Hopefully by the third or forth week of April another PW 77E will be exiting XMN, I believe there was a 2 week delay in in N787UA entering XMN for Polaris and PE do to Chinese New Year celebrations in February.


Also no update yet on the GE 77E tail number N78001 which is currently at HKG for Polaris and PE installation, but that aircraft also entered maintenance in February hopefully by mid April it will be exiting HKG.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:48 am

77E:
N782UA scheduled to exit XMN 1Apr with Polaris/PE, first revenue flight 896/1Apr
N206UA scheduled to enter XMN 31Mar for Polaris/PE conversion

78X:
N16008 delivery to IAD flight 2709/30Mar
N91007 and N16009 both set for delivery end of April
 
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Sat Mar 30, 2019 3:55 pm

For this Pratt-powered 77Es, is this their third cabin? The barcalounger cabins they were delivered with, the IPTE cabins they were retrofitted to in the 2000s, and the Polaris cabins now?
 
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Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:06 pm

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For this Pratt-powered 77Es, is this their third cabin? The barcalounger cabins they were delivered with, the IPTE cabins they were retrofitted to in the 2000s, and the Polaris cabins now?


In some cases, actually the fourth. The first batch of 777-200ERs came with the original recliner-style F and J seats before being replaced with the first-generation Suite and newer business class product (commonly referred to as the Barcalounger).
 
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Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:13 pm

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For this Pratt-powered 77Es, is this their third cabin? The barcalounger cabins they were delivered with, the IPTE cabins they were retrofitted to in the 2000s, and the Polaris cabins now?


Fourth cabin. Delivery cabin, then First class lie-flat and business bigger recline, then IPTE and now Polaris/Premium Plus. Some newer PW may not have had the first cabin with the lumbar support in F and C. The lie-flat in F was introduced in 1997 I think.

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Sat Mar 30, 2019 6:10 pm

Why will United operate from Denver to Frankfurt year-round, yet London Heathrow is only summer seasonal? Slots are easier to obtain in winter than summer, and Heathrow can rival Frankfurt for Star Alliance connectivity
 
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Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:39 pm

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Why will United operate from Denver to Frankfurt year-round, yet London Heathrow is only summer seasonal? Slots are easier to obtain in winter than summer, and Heathrow can rival Frankfurt for Star Alliance connectivity


1. A major hub like DEN should have UA service to FRA on UA metal. All of UA's hub sans LAX (which is barely a hub) do at the moment.

2. LHR is a OW hub and so the connectivity is limited for SA pax there. Plus, LHR is much more slot restricted than FRA.
 
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Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:00 pm

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Why will United operate from Denver to Frankfurt year-round, yet London Heathrow is only summer seasonal? Slots are easier to obtain in winter than summer, and Heathrow can rival Frankfurt for Star Alliance connectivity

LHR cannot rival connectivity with FRA, which is LH’s primary hub. DEN is a UA hub and FRA is LH’s largest hub providing many destinations across the world, which means both sides can feed off connections. UA and LH have a joint-venture as well, which would make it more viable than LHR for connections or O&D. LHR provides connections, but severely lack compared to FRA.
 
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Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:12 pm

SeanM1997 wrote:
Why will United operate from Denver to Frankfurt year-round, yet London Heathrow is only summer seasonal? Slots are easier to obtain in winter than summer, and Heathrow can rival Frankfurt for Star Alliance connectivity


UA didn’t obtain any new slots for their DEN-LHR service, they moved one of their summer slots to DEN from EWR, and upgauged the EWR flights to keep up capacity.

UA has (IIRC) 17 daily summer slots and 16 daily winter slots.

While there’s a lot of Star Alliance connectivity at LHR, it’s not home to UAs joint venture partner, like FRA is.
 
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Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:07 pm

SeanM1997 wrote:
Why will United operate from Denver to Frankfurt year-round, yet London Heathrow is only summer seasonal? Slots are easier to obtain in winter than summer, and Heathrow can rival Frankfurt for Star Alliance connectivity


Slots are not easier to obtain at LHR than at FRA no matter the season. LHR's limited slots is the main reason why in the past we've seen airlines pay tens of millions and in some cases hundreds of millions for LHR slots when another airline decides to sell. UA is looking for a year around slot to operate LHR-DEN but right now there are no year around slots available so we have to make do with the slot we have which restricts us to IATA summer operations only.

UA's DEN-LHR service began today which is the first day we cal legally operate the flight however DEN-FRA service does not begin until May 2,2019.
Also today marks the launch of SFO-AMS service on UA
 
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Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:23 am

Thanks codc10 and The777Man!
 
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Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:38 am

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adamblang wrote:
For this Pratt-powered 77Es, is this their third cabin? The barcalounger cabins they were delivered with, the IPTE cabins they were retrofitted to in the 2000s, and the Polaris cabins now?


Fourth cabin. Delivery cabin, then First class lie-flat and business bigger recline, then IPTE and now Polaris/Premium Plus. Some newer PW may not have had the first cabin with the lumbar support in F and C. The lie-flat in F was introduced in 1997 I think.

The777Man


Which cabin in your opinion was the most comfortable?
I started with UA in 1996 I still remember the original 777 first and business class seats. Both cabins seemed roomier back then that the IPTE cabin and the current Polaris cabin and as much as I like the Polaris seats and layout I still think the original first and business class cabin was the most comfortable. Those seats we big bulky and heavy but they were comfortable the worst seats UA has every had in my opinion are the ITPE business class seats while I would never pass up a business class seat for coach the IPTE product was/it terrible.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:41 am

Now that DEN has been rebanked, how many flights does it see and is UA still planning on getting DEN to 600+ flights eventually?
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:47 am

jayunited wrote:
The777Man wrote:
adamblang wrote:
For this Pratt-powered 77Es, is this their third cabin? The barcalounger cabins they were delivered with, the IPTE cabins they were retrofitted to in the 2000s, and the Polaris cabins now?


Fourth cabin. Delivery cabin, then First class lie-flat and business bigger recline, then IPTE and now Polaris/Premium Plus. Some newer PW may not have had the first cabin with the lumbar support in F and C. The lie-flat in F was introduced in 1997 I think.

The777Man


Which cabin in your opinion was the most comfortable?
I started with UA in 1996 I still remember the original 777 first and business class seats. Both cabins seemed roomier back then that the IPTE cabin and the current Polaris cabin and as much as I like the Polaris seats and layout I still think the original first and business class cabin was the most comfortable. Those seats we big bulky and heavy but they were comfortable the worst seats UA has every had in my opinion are the ITPE business class seats while I would never pass up a business class seat for coach the IPTE product was/it terrible.


The IPTE First seat was their best. Lie flat and wide. Really comfortable. Aside from that I’d take the Polaris cabin by far above any others.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:54 am

jayunited wrote:
SeanM1997 wrote:
Why will United operate from Denver to Frankfurt year-round, yet London Heathrow is only summer seasonal? Slots are easier to obtain in winter than summer, and Heathrow can rival Frankfurt for Star Alliance connectivity


Slots are not easier to obtain at LHR than at FRA no matter the season. LHR's limited slots is the main reason why in the past we've seen airlines pay tens of millions and in some cases hundreds of millions for LHR slots when another airline decides to sell. UA is looking for a year around slot to operate LHR-DEN but right now there are no year around slots available so we have to make do with the slot we have which restricts us to IATA summer operations only.

UA's DEN-LHR service began today which is the first day we cal legally operate the flight however DEN-FRA service does not begin until May 2,2019.
Also today marks the launch of SFO-AMS service on UA


I'd love to see DEN-LHR year round on UA. I loved flying it years ago on the 777, and it's even better now with the 787 and the amazing facility that Star now has at T2 in LHR. Still though, it's hard to see a way of DEN-LHR on UA going year round anytime soon. Just look: CO paid a record $209 million for four LHR slot pairs in 2008! AA paid $31 million in 2014 for a single afternoon slot pair, which isn't as valuable as the morning ones that are better for transatlantic.

https://www.ft.com/content/b6a47274-e95 ... 00779fd2ac
https://airwaysmag.com/industry/america ... 1-million/

It's hard to imagine UA would seriously want to shell out that much to operate DEN-LHR in the off season. UA's loads to LHR from even the eastern hubs are still light enough to drop down to 752s on occasion. And with that said, I doubt UA would want to take another slot from any of the other hubs because the frequencies in all the other UA hubs are probably as low as they can be while still remaining competitive with AA/BA and DL/VS.

DEN-FRA on UA should do great. FRA has much easier access, and UA and LH will be able to get UA fliers all across Europe efficiently. It's worth noting that LH has done very well in DEN sustaining its own FRA flight and now MUC. Sure, it's no DEN-LHR, but for those who just have to get to London nonstop, well, there's always BA (and DY I guess).
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:54 am

Fargo wrote:
Now that DEN has been rebanked, how many flights does it see and is UA still planning on getting DEN to 600+ flights eventually?


453 departures on this Monday. I haven’t verified this myself, but I have heard it will be well over 500 in the summer schedule. I have heard around 520.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:01 am

jetmatt777 wrote:
Fargo wrote:
Now that DEN has been rebanked, how many flights does it see and is UA still planning on getting DEN to 600+ flights eventually?


453 departures on this Monday. I haven’t verified this myself, but I have heard it will be well over 500 in the summer schedule. I have heard around 520.


Putting it within spitting distance of IAH. I wonder if DEN will overtake the former as the second largest UA hub?
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:56 am

codc10 wrote:
In some cases, actually the fourth. The first batch of 777-200ERs came with the original recliner-style F and J seats before being replaced with the first-generation Suite and newer business class product (commonly referred to as the Barcalounger).

The777Man wrote:
Fourth cabin. Delivery cabin, then First class lie-flat and business bigger recline, then IPTE and now Polaris/Premium Plus. Some newer PW may not have had the first cabin with the lumbar support in F and C. The lie-flat in F was introduced in 1997 I think.

The777Man

I did some digging, because why not. It's amazing what you can find on this site.

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Middle Cabin


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"Barcalounger"

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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:24 am

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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:54 am

Fargo wrote:
jetmatt777 wrote:
Fargo wrote:
Now that DEN has been rebanked, how many flights does it see and is UA still planning on getting DEN to 600+ flights eventually?


453 departures on this Monday. I haven’t verified this myself, but I have heard it will be well over 500 in the summer schedule. I have heard around 520.


Putting it within spitting distance of IAH. I wonder if DEN will overtake the former as the second largest UA hub?

Maybe in departures, but definitely not in passenger traffic.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:35 am

jayunited wrote:
The777Man wrote:
adamblang wrote:
For this Pratt-powered 77Es, is this their third cabin? The barcalounger cabins they were delivered with, the IPTE cabins they were retrofitted to in the 2000s, and the Polaris cabins now?


Fourth cabin. Delivery cabin, then First class lie-flat and business bigger recline, then IPTE and now Polaris/Premium Plus. Some newer PW may not have had the first cabin with the lumbar support in F and C. The lie-flat in F was introduced in 1997 I think.

The777Man


Which cabin in your opinion was the most comfortable?
I started with UA in 1996 I still remember the original 777 first and business class seats. Both cabins seemed roomier back then that the IPTE cabin and the current Polaris cabin and as much as I like the Polaris seats and layout I still think the original first and business class cabin was the most comfortable. Those seats we big bulky and heavy but they were comfortable the worst seats UA has every had in my opinion are the ITPE business class seats while I would never pass up a business class seat for coach the IPTE product was/it terrible.


I started in March 1995 just before the delivery of the first 777 to United as launch customer. I really like the First Class seat in IPTE. Even Business in IPTE was very comfortable to SIT in. A bit too tight perhaps with the 2-4-2 on the 777 but the seat comfort was amazing. I haven't tried Polaris yet so can't say anything about that seat. The original seats were nice to sit in and wide but so much better to get some good sleep in a lie flat seat.

The food was so much better in the late 1990s.....Dom Perignon in First Class and also Russian caviar.......Rack of lamb and cut on a cart at your seat.....too much off topic.

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Boeing 777s flown: UA, TG, KE, BA, CX, NH, JD, JL, CZ, SQ, EK, NG, CO, AF, SV, KU, DL, AA, MH, OZ, CA, MS, SU, LY, RG, PE, AZ, KL, VN, PK, EY, NZ, AM, BR, AC, DT, UU, OS, AI, 9W, KQ, QR, VA, JJ, ET, TK, PR, BG, T5, CI, MU and LX.. Further to fly.. LH 777
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:14 pm

[quote="The777Man

The food was so much better in the late 1990s.....Dom Perignon in First Class and also Russian caviar.......Rack of lamb and cut on a cart at your seat.....too much off topic.

The777Man


Just to add to that, I flew UA from IAD to PEK last Thursday in business class. 788 with the diamond seats. They were ok, but man what a reduction in service! No wine list, just a one page menu. The meal service was rushed (13+ hour flight). No wine was offered during the meal. I couldn’t even get a flight attendant’s attention to try to get a glass of wine. When I got her attention after I had finished the meal, she didn’t know what kinds of wine they had. The food was tasty and they still had the dessert cart. The only mid flight snacks were leftover desserts and packaged crisps, etc. The arrival breakfast was also rushed, served 1 hour and 20 minutes before landing. I’ll be interested to see what it’s like flying back from PVG on the 13th.
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