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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:34 am

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If UA goes with the A321XLR as recently mentioned as a 757/767 candidate, would the A321XLR be considered the same as the standard A321 AA got a great deal on and would Airbus owe AA compensation if UA got just as good of a deal? Or is the XLR classified differently in airbus mind that they wouldn't owe AA anything and could still offer UA a good deal. I know they couldn't sell the standard A321 to UA at the AA price and that's part of the reason why UA hasn't considered buying the A321. Could this report they might be interested in the A321xlr be just a ploy to get Boeing to commit to the 797?

I'm also assuming the a321xlr is probably going to be more expensive than a standard A321 and that Airbus wouldn't sell it anywhere near as cheap as the standard A321 so UA couldn't get even close to the same pricing, not to mention they'd only need 30-40 frames according to Kirby.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... nt-457311/

This makes me think this is just a push by UA to get Boeing to launch the 797.


I agree, I don’t think the A321XLR is good enough to be a 757/767 replacement. The fact 767 is mentioned I think really doesn’t make it a solid option.
 
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Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:21 am

It's really not a bad idea. I'm sure United would love the NMA, but I haven't seen much said yet about how much the latest MAX fiasco has affected NMA development. At the very least, the entire episode has taken a hit to Boeing's credibility. Could Boeing still really get the plane up and running by 2025? I don't think United could afford to wait if the plane were delayed beyond that.

Meanwhile, Airbus shouldn't have too much trouble delivering on a new variant of the A321. United's indicated that it wants to put lie flats in the MAX 10 and use them on transcons. 20-30 or so A321XLRs could do well on EWR/IAD/ORD to the UK and Ireland and possibly also some transcons. 77Es and 788s could supplant the 767s on TATL routes. Even an A321XLR order wouldn't have to preclude a similarly sized NMA order later on.
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Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:26 am

Still zero A320 retirements for the next 10 years, correct?
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Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:29 am

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It's really not a bad idea. I'm sure United would love the NMA, but I haven't seen much said yet about how much the latest MAX fiasco has affected NMA development. At the very least, the entire episode has taken a hit to Boeing's credibility. Could Boeing still really get the plane up and running by 2025? I don't think United could afford to wait if the plane were delayed beyond that.

Meanwhile, Airbus shouldn't have too much trouble delivering on a new variant of the A321. United's indicated that it wants to put lie flats in the MAX 10 and use them on transcons. 20-30 or so A321XLRs could do well on EWR/IAD/ORD to the UK and Ireland and possibly also some transcons. 77Es and 788s could supplant the 767s on TATL routes. Even an A321XLR order wouldn't have to preclude a similarly sized NMA order later on.


I thought the 77E's were the same age as the last 12 or so 763's and all of the 764's? :confused:
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:52 am

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Still zero A320 retirements for the next 10 years, correct?


A handful of UA A320s are slated for retirement this year, though more used A319/320s will be coming online.
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Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:45 am

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Still zero A320 retirements for the next 10 years, correct?


4 A320 and 2 A319s are leaving this year but they are being replaced by 10 newer A319s.
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Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:48 am

How could anyone know what United and Boeing have discussed behind closed doors? Isn’t it entirely possible that UA are far more up to speed on Boeing’s NMA than we know?

It’s obviously more than clear that United could have used the “797” yesterday?

This past weekend I flew EWR/LAX RT. On the way to LA, I was on the 787–10, in a Polaris seat, and obviously brand new. Fantastic in every conceivable way. On the return I was on a 762 that in contrast to my flight out was like being in my father’s 1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass...AFTER she was 15 years old.

It’s no secret I am a United lover. SO: when I got my survey about my 752 flight, I eviscerated them for that 752. The CONTRAST of checking in at the GS check-in lounge, only to walk onto a 752 jaloby was a disconnect of epic proportions.

I know not everything can happen with a blink from Jeannie, but IMHO, United innovated p.s. a very long time ago. Essentially the p.s. effect 20 odd years ago established a new norm. That Transcontinental was not like any other domestic route. It was special and a magnet for premier travel. They need to at least gain par with others or surpass it, because it’s a “First to Worst” story!

And in the time it will take to correct it, UA will have exposed hundreds of thousands of premium passengers (aside from new seat covers which could have been new colors) with new bulkheads, a less cheesy amenity kit and some throw pillows in the new colors would help a bit!
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:06 pm

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Still zero A320 retirements for the next 10 years, correct?


4 A320 and 2 A319s are leaving this year but they are being replaced by 10 newer A319s.


I was told the least reliable ones will be removed.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:37 pm

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It's really not a bad idea. I'm sure United would love the NMA, but I haven't seen much said yet about how much the latest MAX fiasco has affected NMA development. At the very least, the entire episode has taken a hit to Boeing's credibility. Could Boeing still really get the plane up and running by 2025? I don't think United could afford to wait if the plane were delayed beyond that.

Meanwhile, Airbus shouldn't have too much trouble delivering on a new variant of the A321. United's indicated that it wants to put lie flats in the MAX 10 and use them on transcons. 20-30 or so A321XLRs could do well on EWR/IAD/ORD to the UK and Ireland and possibly also some transcons. 77Es and 788s could supplant the 767s on TATL routes. Even an A321XLR order wouldn't have to preclude a similarly sized NMA order later on.


Its not about having trouble delivering on a new A321 variant. What UA wants is the latest and best technology. Which ever way this plays out the aircraft selected will be in UA's fleet for at least 15-20 years perhaps even longer. Listening to Kirby's town hall it seem like UA has a solid plan. We will likely see in the next 2 or 3 years a 788 order and perhaps an order for a few more MAX10s.

Wasn't it just last year or perhaps late 2017 that Airbus stated if Boeing launched an NMA Airbus would consider doing the same? I don't think UA wants to be stuck with A321XLRs if both Airbus and Boeing come out with something better. For now UA has time especially as it pertains to a decision on the NMA because they are investing in a life extension program for the 14 1998 built 763s which will extend the life of those aircraft past 2025. The 14 1991-1993 built 763s will probably be replaced by 788s those frames will probably start leaving the fleet in 2022.

The RR 752s don't have a lot of of cycles on them and the bulk of them were delivered to CO starting in 1995 or later, only 11 frames were delivered in 1994. Even sUA had 6 757s delivered between 1997-1999 which are still in service. The remaining 8 sUA 1989-1993 built 752's still inservice will more than likely be replaced by MAX10s sooner rather than later.

The remainder of the 763/752 fleet in my opinion with the life extension program should be able to make it past 2025 buying UA the time needed to make a decision on either the NMA, A321XLR, or if Airbus follows through and developed their own NMA as well. So when you look at UA's fleet it then becomes clear where those 30-40 frames Kirby talks about not having a replacement for come from. After listening to his town hall I think it is safe to assume the 1998 and later 763/752s will still be in the fleet come 2025, 2026 maybe even 2027 for the youngest frames. UA has a total of 37, 763/752 frames that are 1998 builds and later. For UA it is worth the wait, if the reward is getting the latest and greatest technology in the form of a NMA from Boeing or perhaps even Airbus. I got the feeling that the A321XLR is UA's last option.
 
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Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:21 pm

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Wasn't it just last year or perhaps late 2017 that Airbus stated if Boeing launched an NMA Airbus would consider doing the same? I don't think UA wants to be stuck with A321XLRs if both Airbus and Boeing come out with something better. For now UA has time especially as it pertains to a decision on the NMA because they are investing in a life extension program for the 14 1998 built 763s which will extend the life of those aircraft past 2025. The 14 1991-1993 built 763s will probably be replaced by 788s those frames will probably start leaving the fleet in 2022.

The RR 752s don't have a lot of of cycles on them and the bulk of them were delivered to CO starting in 1995 or later, only 11 frames were delivered in 1994. Even sUA had 6 757s delivered between 1997-1999 which are still in service. The remaining 8 sUA 1989-1993 built 752's still inservice will more than likely be replaced by MAX10s sooner rather than later.

The remainder of the 763/752 fleet in my opinion with the life extension program should be able to make it past 2025 buying UA the time needed to make a decision on either the NMA, A321XLR, or if Airbus follows through and developed their own NMA as well. So when you look at UA's fleet it then becomes clear where those 30-40 frames Kirby talks about not having a replacement for come from. After listening to his town hall I think it is safe to assume the 1998 and later 763/752s will still be in the fleet come 2025, 2026 maybe even 2027 for the youngest frames. UA has a total of 37, 763/752 frames that are 1998 builds and later. For UA it is worth the wait, if the reward is getting the latest and greatest technology in the form of a NMA from Boeing or perhaps even Airbus. I got the feeling that the A321XLR is UA's last option.

I don't think that Airbus is serious about MoM. I think they're just trying to scare Boeing off. Airbus would be pretty stupid to dump billions of dollars into a plane that fills a niche, after their A380 boondoggle. Sure, in marketing pitches, they both claim that segment of the market to be 4000+ frames, but if they both believed that, they would have jumped already. I think realistically, we're talking about 1000-1500 (maybe a little more if China is interested in a lot), but while the airline industry has grown since the 1000 757's of the 80's and 90's were produced, the 737/320 and 787/330 have encroached on the 757/767 territory. I think Boeing should go for it, because they're undoubtedly already in early development stages, which Airbus likely isn't, but Airbus would have to be suicidal to try and match Boeing. Airbus should be thinking about a slightly smaller replacement for the A330 to compliment the A350. Also, if Airbus is not crazy, they should really want Boeing to tie up resources in the MoM, because both companies have to be thinking about the biggest decision in either's history, the replacements for the 737 and A320's. Each only has one shot to get that right for the next half century!
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:48 pm

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How could anyone know what United and Boeing have discussed behind closed doors? Isn’t it entirely possible that UA are far more up to speed on Boeing’s NMA than we know?

It’s obviously more than clear that United could have used the “797” yesterday?

This past weekend I flew EWR/LAX RT. On the way to LA, I was on the 787–10, in a Polaris seat, and obviously brand new. Fantastic in every conceivable way. On the return I was on a 762 that in contrast to my flight out was like being in my father’s 1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass...AFTER she was 15 years old.

It’s no secret I am a United lover. SO: when I got my survey about my 752 flight, I eviscerated them for that 752. The CONTRAST of checking in at the GS check-in lounge, only to walk onto a 752 jaloby was a disconnect of epic proportions.

I know not everything can happen with a blink from Jeannie, but IMHO, United innovated p.s. a very long time ago. Essentially the p.s. effect 20 odd years ago established a new norm. That Transcontinental was not like any other domestic route. It was special and a magnet for premier travel. They need to at least gain par with others or surpass it, because it’s a “First to Worst” story!

And in the time it will take to correct it, UA will have exposed hundreds of thousands of premium passengers (aside from new seat covers which could have been new colors) with new bulkheads, a less cheesy amenity kit and some throw pillows in the new colors would help a bit!
Last, but not least: the shelf under my TV had 2 yellow earwax colored earplugs from a previous passenger pointing at me! YUCK!!! There is NO excuse for that, not in First after paying a HUGE premium for the privilege.




I had a similar experience going to LIM. Flying down via IAH. It was a 763, but if you didn’t know better you would have sworn it was brand new. Not only the new Polaris seats. But the whole interior and even the lavs where new.

Contract that to the exhausted 752, I took back to EWR. It looked worn out.

But that has nothing to do with the age of the 757. It is a decision by United to save on cosmetic maintenance. The same problems can be seen on the 738s. Some of them are old and tired with yellowed plastics. But it is also been that way forever. We have all seen the pictures of the peeling Battleship grey livery. So I don’t expect it to change ever at this point.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:45 pm

April 17th is a Evolution Day.... ..?
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Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:59 pm

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April 17th is a Evolution Day.... ..?

Just because its earnings day, I don't think they will necessary announce the "evolved" livery on that day.
 
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Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:22 pm

The United livery evolution thread has been throwing around the 24th.
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Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:19 pm

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The United livery evolution thread has been throwing around the 24th.


I'm fairly certain the livery evolution thread also mentioned the earnings on the 17th is a conference call?
 
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Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:34 am

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adamblang wrote:
The United livery evolution thread has been throwing around the 24th.


I'm fairly certain the livery evolution thread also mentioned the earnings on the 17th is a conference call?


The 17th is the Q1 earnings conference call which of course is a possible date. Supposedly UA will announce a "brand" update on the 24th and just to add some fuel to the fire there is a 737-800 due out of paint on the 23rd. As reported on the other thread it went in on the 8th of this month...two weeks is a long time for a 738 to be in paint but maybe not if it's the first of the "evolution" livery.
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Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:52 am

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DeltaB717 wrote:
adamblang wrote:
The United livery evolution thread has been throwing around the 24th.


I'm fairly certain the livery evolution thread also mentioned the earnings on the 17th is a conference call?


The 17th is the Q1 earnings conference call which of course is a possible date. Supposedly UA will announce a "brand" update on the 24th and just to add some fuel to the fire there is a 737-800 due out of paint on the 23rd. As reported on the other thread it went in on the 8th of this month...two weeks is a long time for a 738 to be in paint but maybe not if it's the first of the "evolution" livery.


I think the point in the other thread is that they're unlikely to reveal a livery evolution in a conference call, for obvious reasons. The B738 in paint and coming back on the 23rd is info that came along after the point was made about the conference call, and certainly does point to the 24th.
 
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This, along with the women's contest, basically confirms the billboard change to United's livery. No Surprise, but no clues as to the rest.
 
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Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:51 pm

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I saw this on flying together at work yesterday and was like damn that looks good I hope they sell a model version in the United Shop because I for sure would by it. I like both sides of the aircraft but the dark side is bada*s with that orange light saber on the tail.

They need to have Darth Vader, some storm troopers, a a few Jedi at the airport for the first revenue flight when this plane reenters service. If this aircraft is equipped with PTVs tt also would be nice if on this one aircraft alone they did a special inflight Star Wars style safety video. And at least for the first revenue flight in this livery UA should at the very lest should have a crew onboard that knows a thing or two about Star Wars and would have fun with it, and not some uptight bitter flight attendants who would more closely resemble Palpatine.

The only downside to this Star Wars livery is that is so good United just raised expectations on what our new evolution livery will look like. Now United Airlines really has to bring it and knock it out of the park. Whoever designed the Star Wars livery hopefully is involved in UA's evolution livery.
 
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Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:35 pm

The fleet changes and fleet status posts at the start of this thread have been updated.

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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:13 pm

Does anyone know if united has cancelled some flights during the MAX grounding? It just seems incredible that they have enough slack to cover the grounding of 14ish airplanes and still have enough slack to have interior mods and painting going on.
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Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:01 pm

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Does anyone know if united has cancelled some flights during the MAX grounding? It just seems incredible that they have enough slack to cover the grounding of 14ish airplanes and still have enough slack to have interior mods and painting going on.

It seems like with as many interior upgrades they are working on, if they just delay reconfiguring A320/319's and new F seats for 737NG's, they may not have quite the squeeze that AA and WN seem to be having, but this is just conjecture. I have no numbers to support this.
 
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Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:27 pm

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Does anyone know if united has cancelled some flights during the MAX grounding? It just seems incredible that they have enough slack to cover the grounding of 14ish airplanes and still have enough slack to have interior mods and painting going on.


UA issued a statement shortly after the grounding:

"Our MAX aircraft account for roughly 40 flights a day, and through a combination of repositioning other aircraft types and rebooking customers, we do not anticipate a significant operational impact as a result of this order. We will continue to work with our customers to help minimize any travel disruptions, and will proactively contact any customer whose travel may be impacted by this order."

IIRC Kirby said reported the first day of the grounding there were only two flights canceled because of the MAX groundings. The rest of the MAX fleet flights were covered by utilizing other aircraft. Right now UA is not having issues at the same scale of AA and WN however once the peak summer season kicks in the loss of those ~14 aircraft might be felt a bit more.

Hopefully the MAXes are back in service by the end of May :)
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Apr 13, 2019 10:35 pm

Tracking for the UA Fleet Site, I've noticed a major drop in aircraft in maintenance right after the groundings - currently a few more units are now in maint bases, but somewhat less than normal for a Spring season.

There was a very active paint program prior to the groundings - now there is only one 738 in paint if you don't count one each of undelivered 739MAX and 78X aircraft. It also appears there are tighter turns at SFO, which means any slack might be helping with the shortfall.

UA stated somewhere that they were covering the 739MAX with larger aircraft - not sure where, but is are the new 78X or other aircraft units covering the shortfall?

Currently, I count one 319, seven 320s, seven 738s, four 739s, five 757s as narrowbodies out of service.

Note that FlightAware has the ability to track cancellations by airline. United only has 9 today and all but one are ferry flight numbers.. Compare that to AA at 267, WN at 89. Envoy has 170, Mesa has 84 and SkyWest has 58, PSA has 25. Almost all RJ cancellations are related to DFW, except PSA which are mostly CLT flights. There could be weather cancellations at DFW.

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Sun Apr 14, 2019 1:31 am

cosyr wrote:
avi8 wrote:
Does anyone know if united has cancelled some flights during the MAX grounding? It just seems incredible that they have enough slack to cover the grounding of 14ish airplanes and still have enough slack to have interior mods and painting going on.

It seems like with as many interior upgrades they are working on, if they just delay reconfiguring A320/319's and new F seats for 737NG's, they may not have quite the squeeze that AA and WN seem to be having, but this is just conjecture. I have no numbers to support this.


Cosyr you are correct, for now the grounding hasn't had much of an impact on our passengers in terms of cancellations. I could be wrong but AA's MAX8 were replacements for aircraft being retired, I'm not sure if WN was retiring aircraft as well but for UA the 14 MAX9s were not replacing any narrow body aircraft they were in addition to the fleet. For now UA has been utilizing larger aircraft like the 78X, 77E and 763s to offset any would be cancellations. For a while UA replaced the MAX9 on LAX-OGG with a 77E now a 752 is on the route. Earlier this week UA instead of letting a 763 sit on the ground all day at IAH put it to use on IAH-TPA-IAH. We've seen 78Xs show up on hub to hub routes to free up either 738s or 739ERs so those frames can take over a MAX route.
While things have worked out so far for UA as we approach mid spring and as our international seasonal schedule starts to to fly I think UA will start to feel the pressure. Also when you take into account UA still intends to grow domestically at hubs like DEN, IAH, ORD, and IAD I think it will be difficult for UA to keep the cancelation rate low if the MAX groundings continue deep into the summer travel season. Once we get to June the 78Xs will be fully utilized on TATL routes and Transcons, the 77Es and 788/9s utilization ramps up do to flights being upguaged and new and or seasonal flights starting. The 763/4 utilization reaches an all time high from June through September. Also UA has shown no sign of delaying the Polaris PE installation schedule and I believe at some point in summer 2019 the first 788 or 789 will go in for Polaris and PE.
On a side note I know UA is expects to put a few used A319s into service in 2019. I don't know if any of those frames have been put into service or how many UA expects in 2019 but if we can get a few of those used frames into service along with delaying the retirement of the 5 or 7 A320s that might save UA once June arrives.
 
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Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:52 am

Hi,
Can somebody provide an overview of all the 772s with the new Polaris business class? About to book a business class trip IAD-NRT and NRT-IAD and normally book ANA because I don't like United business (the old 2-4-2) but would like to try new Polaris business class if there is a high probability that I get a 772 with the new lay-out.
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Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:18 am

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avi8 wrote:
Does anyone know if united has cancelled some flights during the MAX grounding? It just seems incredible that they have enough slack to cover the grounding of 14ish airplanes and still have enough slack to have interior mods and painting going on.

It seems like with as many interior upgrades they are working on, if they just delay reconfiguring A320/319's and new F seats for 737NG's, they may not have quite the squeeze that AA and WN seem to be having, but this is just conjecture. I have no numbers to support this.


Both of those mods are done and have been for a bit now. There are 4 used A319s undergoing induction work right now and have been since November and December. Given historical timelines for used A319 induction work, the first should be out in the next 30-45 days.

Does anyone have any info on the 4 ex-Shaheen aircraft for ETR or the 3 ex-HA 763s?
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:40 am

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Does anyone have any info on the 4 ex-Shaheen aircraft for ETR or the 3 ex-HA 763s?


Two of them are in HKG, N684UA and N686UA for Polaris high J configuration along with 2 other 763s N670UA and N677UA. N684UA has been in HKG since last year December I believe actual work on converting this aircraft began in late February or early March when N677UA arrived. I could be wrong but I'm thinking both N677UA and ex-HA bird N684UA will be back in service early to mid May.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:29 pm

PHAVR wrote:
Hi,
Can somebody provide an overview of all the 772s with the new Polaris business class? About to book a business class trip IAD-NRT and NRT-IAD and normally book ANA because I don't like United business (the old 2-4-2) but would like to try new Polaris business class if there is a high probability that I get a 772 with the new lay-out.
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Knowing when you're traveling would go a long way to answering your question. It looks like the old IPTE cabin aircraft have been assigned to the route lately, though.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:44 pm

cosyr wrote:
avi8 wrote:
Does anyone know if united has cancelled some flights during the MAX grounding? It just seems incredible that they have enough slack to cover the grounding of 14ish airplanes and still have enough slack to have interior mods and painting going on.

It seems like with as many interior upgrades they are working on, if they just delay reconfiguring A320/319's and new F seats for 737NG's, they may not have quite the squeeze that AA and WN seem to be having, but this is just conjecture. I have no numbers to support this.

If the squeeze from the MAX situation gets tight enough, could UA postpone the retirements of the several A319s and A320s scheduled to leave this year? WN has already done so with their early-model B73Gs.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:04 pm

Runway28L wrote:
cosyr wrote:
avi8 wrote:
Does anyone know if united has cancelled some flights during the MAX grounding? It just seems incredible that they have enough slack to cover the grounding of 14ish airplanes and still have enough slack to have interior mods and painting going on.

It seems like with as many interior upgrades they are working on, if they just delay reconfiguring A320/319's and new F seats for 737NG's, they may not have quite the squeeze that AA and WN seem to be having, but this is just conjecture. I have no numbers to support this.

If the squeeze from the MAX situation gets tight enough, could UA postpone the retirements of the several A319s and A320s scheduled to leave this year? WN has already done so with their early-model B73Gs.


Sort of depends when those aircraft are due for overhaul....I believe UA was planning on scrapping those aircraft for parts so I don't think there is a lessor expecting them back at a certain date.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:04 pm

Ship 5305 (P.s. 757-200} which was retired Valentine's day is scheduled to fly out of GYR to MIA as flight 2710 on the 18th. Im guessing they're bring her back because of the MAX grounding.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:33 am

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Supposedly UA will announce a "brand" update on the 24th and just to add some fuel to the fire there is a 737-800 due out of paint on the 23rd. As reported on the other thread it went in on the 8th of this month...two weeks is a long time for a 738 to be in paint but maybe not if it's the first of the "evolution" livery.



Putting on the tail logo, start painting engines, winglets, tail logo. Test hop on the 23rd...........
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:50 am

Not sure if it's been discussed, but the new CMH-SFO has already been upgauged from a 319 to a 320 for the Summer months.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:03 am

752 N505UA is shown in a photo from 2/30/19 with full UA paint job in GYR. I believe it usual to paint some of the UA markings off in SFO prior to ferrying into the sunset. Planspotters shows the aircraft is owned by UA, not leased.

Of course the Ethiopian crash happened after the retirement, so UA would not have left the paint on in anticipation of needing to have the aircraft reenter service.

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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:17 am

Do we have any way to see what aircraft are or will backfill for MAX flights? We know these birds will be grounded through summer...but on the schedules they have '737' listed.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:02 am

calpsafltskeds wrote:
I believe it usual to paint some of the UA markings off in SFO prior to ferrying into the sunset.

Maybe the de-branding happens when handed over to another party? E.g. returned to lessor, sold to a new owner. Maybe a UA-owned bird with no new owner stays in full UA colors in its dormancy on the off chance it comes back into service. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:05 am

drerx7 wrote:
Do we have any way to see what aircraft are or will backfill for MAX flights? We know these birds will be grounded through summer...but on the schedules they have '737' listed.

A mix of 752s, 739s, and 738s, depending on the mission. The published schedules now through July assume there will be no MAXes in service.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:11 am

Facebook just popped up with a story and UA Press Release on non-stop service EWR-CPT 3 times a week starting in December 2019. So, add Africa back on the continent list.
 
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Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:23 pm

jayunited wrote:
The only downside to this Star Wars livery is that is so good United just raised expectations on what our new evolution livery will look like. Now United Airlines really has to bring it and knock it out of the park. Whoever designed the Star Wars livery hopefully is involved in UA's evolution livery.


Totally agree, it would be nice if they also added a goldstar on the tail for Polaris.......
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:41 pm

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Totally agree, it would be nice if they also added a goldstar on the tail for Polaris.......


I've been thinking the same about the new livery - a single star placed high on the vertical fin to represent Polaris above the revised globe. We'll know soon enough.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:49 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
Facebook just popped up with a story and UA Press Release on non-stop service EWR-CPT 3 times a week starting in December 2019. So, add Africa back on the continent list.

I'm thrilled UA will be back in the 6 continent club, but I never would have guessed CPT. I've seen it described as a leisure route. Seems risky for such a long route for leisure, but maybe 3 times weekly will see it develop a business market that other airlines didn't think was there.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:11 pm

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I've seen it described as a leisure route. Seems risky for such a long route for leisure, but maybe 3 times weekly will see it develop a business market that other airlines didn't think was there.

Cape Town has to be on of those rare rare high-yielding leisure destinations. Not business market yields, but the people who are interested in flying to the other end of the planet to sip wine and go on a big game safari have some money to spend. (And are willing to spend it to avoid the double-redeye with 8 hour European layover that it currently takes to get to Cape Town.) They're not the backpackers of Thailand and not the mid-market Iceland visitors.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:08 pm

N78001 GE 77E scheduled to exit HKG with Polaris and PE.
Test flight 2701-17 HKG-HKG
Revenue flight 896-18 HKG-ORD

N57016 will take its place, this frame is being flown to HKG today as 895-16 ORD-HKG.

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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:26 pm

Updates to United official Fleet Plan - nothing surprising
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2x 78X for delivery Q4-19
3x 78X for delivery 2020
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Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:53 pm

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12x 789 for delivery 2020

I love all the 789s, because all exciting new routes start on a 789. :-P
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:30 pm

adamblang wrote:
cosyr wrote:
I've seen it described as a leisure route. Seems risky for such a long route for leisure, but maybe 3 times weekly will see it develop a business market that other airlines didn't think was there.

Cape Town has to be on of those rare rare high-yielding leisure destinations. Not business market yields, but the people who are interested in flying to the other end of the planet to sip wine and go on a big game safari have some money to spend. (And are willing to spend it to avoid the double-redeye with 8 hour European layover that it currently takes to get to Cape Town.) They're not the backpackers of Thailand and not the mid-market Iceland visitors.


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