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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu May 02, 2019 10:12 pm

STT757 wrote:
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cosyr wrote:
I never understand this. Every plane in their fleet will need either a C or a D check in less time than 7 years. Just do them when they're out of service anyway!


The MX bases do not do paint and the paint bases do not do MX.


Question about maintenance bases, why does UA still do maintenance at HOU and airport they don’t serve. Either add a flight or two to Denver to rotate aircraft through there in revenue service or build replacement facilities at IAH or MCO.


Believe me, If UA added a couple of flights to ORD and DEN from HOU, the people of Houston would be most thrilled.

However, I cant see it being in the airlines best interest.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu May 02, 2019 11:57 pm

STT757 wrote:
Question about maintenance bases, why does UA still do maintenance at HOU and airport they don’t serve. Either add a flight or two to Denver to rotate aircraft through there in revenue service or build replacement facilities at IAH or MCO.


The HOU maintenance base will be closed by the end of this year. Everything will be moved to IAH.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri May 03, 2019 2:04 am

KVH68 wrote:
STT757 wrote:
Question about maintenance bases, why does UA still do maintenance at HOU and airport they don’t serve. Either add a flight or two to Denver to rotate aircraft through there in revenue service or build replacement facilities at IAH or MCO.


The HOU maintenance base will be closed by the end of this year. Everything will be moved to IAH.


Wow! Did they build any new facilities or are they just consolidating into existing spaces.


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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri May 03, 2019 3:49 am

STT757 wrote:
KVH68 wrote:
STT757 wrote:
Question about maintenance bases, why does UA still do maintenance at HOU and airport they don’t serve. Either add a flight or two to Denver to rotate aircraft through there in revenue service or build replacement facilities at IAH or MCO.


The HOU maintenance base will be closed by the end of this year. Everything will be moved to IAH.


Wow! Did they build any new facilities or are they just consolidating into existing spaces.


They are building a large new hangar at IAH. The heavy 737 checks at HOU will go away. The shops at HOU will move to IAH. IAH will begin doing similar work done at SFO SSR (Special Service Route). This type of work can include gear changes, B-checks, structural repairs, interior mods, fixing things that other line stations can't fix or don't have the tooling to fix,... SSR works on all fleet types.
 
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Fri May 03, 2019 5:11 am

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Will the new E175's being delivered to Expressjet, for UAX, come in the new livery?


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Fri May 03, 2019 2:16 pm

STT757 wrote:
CALTECH wrote:
cosyr wrote:
I never understand this. Every plane in their fleet will need either a C or a D check in less time than 7 years. Just do them when they're out of service anyway!


The MX bases do not do paint and the paint bases do not do MX.


Question about maintenance bases, why does UA still do maintenance at HOU and airport they don’t serve. Either add a flight or two to Denver to rotate aircraft through there in revenue service or build replacement facilities at IAH or MCO.


For years, the cost of mx ferry flights was nominal compared to the capex of replacing fully depreciated facilities or the operating costs of launching service (passenger services that currently don’t exist for UA) on what would probably be loss-making routes.

Now it would appear there’s a business case to consolidate at IAH, and perform work in-house that historically (post-BK) CO did not.
 
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Fri May 03, 2019 2:25 pm

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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri May 03, 2019 2:28 pm

Does anyone know the config of the new E175s?
 
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Fri May 03, 2019 2:36 pm

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Does anyone know the config of the new E175s?

They are 175SC and will only be fitted with 70 seats. 12F and 58Y.
 
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Fri May 03, 2019 6:47 pm

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Does anyone know the config of the new E175s?

Click the version 2 tab on this page: https://www.united.com/web/en-US/conten ... fault.aspx
146 319 320 321 332 333 343 717 734 735 73G 738 739 744 752 753 763 764 772 773 789 AR1 AT4 CNA CR2 CR7 DC9 ER3 ERD ER4 E70 E75 E90
 
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Fri May 03, 2019 7:38 pm

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Does anyone know the config of the new E175s?

Click the version 2 tab on this page: https://www.united.com/web/en-US/conten ... fault.aspx


Nice to see power throughout... I wonder if the rest of the E75s will be similarly modified.
 
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Sat May 04, 2019 3:19 am

Are all the 319’s going to DLH for mods now? They were all going to LCQ
 
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Sat May 04, 2019 3:29 am

Never mind. I guess it went to GYR for storage.
 
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Sat May 04, 2019 4:51 am

A small change of topic. United does not have a large feet of 788’s- and while I realize the 789 has really worked well for them, would they ever consider more 788’s to open new routes or be right sized for certain long-thin destinations where the 788 would be perfect (and the proposed 797 would lack the range?)?
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Sat May 04, 2019 5:12 am

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A small change of topic. United does not have a large feet of 788’s- and while I realize the 789 has really worked well for them, would they ever consider more 788’s to open new routes or be right sized for certain long-thin destinations where the 788 would be perfect (and the proposed 797 would lack the range?)?


They could do what American did and order a bunch of 787's to replace their older 777 and 767 fleets, which a handful of both are used for domestic ops. Keep in mind they already have 45 a359's on order as well.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat May 04, 2019 10:58 am

STT757 wrote:
Question about maintenance bases, why does UA still do maintenance at HOU and airport they don’t serve. Either add a flight or two to Denver to rotate aircraft through there in revenue service or build replacement facilities at IAH or MCO.


Couldn't beat the price for the facilities. HOU could fabricate, repair or re-work just about any part. It was a good MX facility. They had talked of closing Hobby since my start back in '85 at LAX. Kinda the same thing with MCOMX, the 2 B-52/KC-135 Hangars and Stores were leased at great rates, though MCO does not have the shops that Hobby has. Have seen 757s ferried from Hawaii, and 767s ferried from the West Coast for MX at MCO.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat May 04, 2019 12:33 pm

Picking up another 737-700 from COPA/ILFC, 0755.

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NOSE NUMBER TO AIRCRAFT TYPE REFERENCE
NOTE: To keep this list short, a range may contain nose numbers of aircraft we do not operate.
NOSE # TYPE FLEET CODE
0001-0022 777-224ER 25
0051-0066 767-424 64
0101-0141 757-224 19
0201-0299 737-824 58 / 68 / 29
0401-0412 737-924 59 / 29
0413-0479 737-924ER 60 / 29
0501-0542 737-824 58 / 68 / 29
0701-0750 737-724 57 / 65 / 29
0751-0752 737-71Q 57 / 65 / 29
0753-0754 737-7V3 57 / 65 / 29
0801-0849 737-924ER 60 / 29
0851-0859 757-324 53
0860-0871 757-33N 53
0880-0899 737-924ER 60 / 29
0901-0913 787-8 78
0950-0974 787-9 79
1001-1025 787-10 10

NOSE # TYPE FLEET CODE
2018-2029 777-222B 27
2131-2152 777-322ER 23
2368-2515 777-222A 26
2704-2897 777-222B 27
4001-4055 A319-131 17 / 31
4101-4173 A320-232 18 / 31
4214-4298 A320-232 18 / 31
4301-4320 A319-111 17 / 31
4615-4713 A320-232 18 / 31
4866-4899 A319-132 17 / 31
4901-4913 A320-232 18 / 31
5302-5997 757-222 75
6441-6677 767-322 63
6684-6686 767-3CB 63
7501-7515 737MAX-9 42 / 61
7751-77XX 737MAX-10 43 / 61
8404-8497 747-422 74
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat May 04, 2019 1:17 pm

VC10er wrote:
A small change of topic. United does not have a large feet of 788’s- and while I realize the 789 has really worked well for them, would they ever consider more 788’s to open new routes or be right sized for certain long-thin destinations where the 788 would be perfect (and the proposed 797 would lack the range?)?

UA has the numbers, having operated both, and since receiving both 788's and 789's, they have opted to order additional 789's as well as investing in extending the life of their 767's. This says to me that at least, they don't find the 788 the right replacement for the 767's. I think it has a place in UA's fleet, mostly in exploring and opening up new markets (e.g. DEN-NRT or new routes in China), and I hope that history does not show it as the 787 equivalent of the 762. Although, even as airlines criticized the 762 later in life, for having inferior economics, it had a long life at UA and DL, even if the 763's life has been longer.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat May 04, 2019 5:33 pm

Anyone know what the next couple planes to be painted in the new livery are?
 
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Sat May 04, 2019 5:58 pm

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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat May 04, 2019 7:27 pm

Here are some aircraft with the worst paint jobs, the higher the total score, the older and in need of a paint job is needed. The fleet is regularly audited.....


AC # / Fleet Type / Total Score

6671 / 767-300 / 19

0248 / 737-800 / 18

4048 / A319 / 18

6675 / 767-300 / 17

0507 / 737-800 / 16

2510 / 777-200 / 16

6664 / 767-300 / 16

4036 / A319 / 16

6676 / 767-300 / 16

4031 / A319 / 16

4267 / A320 / 16

4047 / A319 / 16

0277 / 737-800 / 15

2511 / 777-200 / 15

0283 / 737-800 / 14

4027 / A319 / 14

4668 / A320 / 14

0264 / 737-800 / 13

6670 / 767-300 / 13

6666 / 767-300 / 13

4020 / A319 / 13

4051 / A319 / 13

4713 / A320 / 13

4002 / A319 / 12

4037 / A319 / 12
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat May 04, 2019 8:03 pm

Thanks CALTECH. There are no aircraft in paint at this time.

Note that the following on your list have been recently painted:
2511 / 777-200 / 15 in Feb 19
0507 / 737-800 / 16 in Mar 19
0277 / 737-800 / 15 in Feb 19

I track paint on the Fleet site and do not have year of paint for all but the below: That means most of those on the list have not been painted since shortly after the merger (especially sUA units)
763 N664UA 2014, N675UA 2016
738 N13248 2016, N73283 2014
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat May 04, 2019 11:12 pm

Is N505UA (28J, B757-222) coming out of retirement after all? The ferry flights out of storage were cancelled a few weeks back, and I do not see anything else logged.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun May 05, 2019 2:01 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
Thanks CALTECH. There are no aircraft in paint at this time.

Note that the following on your list have been recently painted:
2511 / 777-200 / 15 in Feb 19
0507 / 737-800 / 16 in Mar 19
0277 / 737-800 / 15 in Feb 19

I track paint on the Fleet site and do not have year of paint for all but the below: That means most of those on the list have not been painted since shortly after the merger (especially sUA units)
763 N664UA 2014, N675UA 2016
738 N13248 2016, N73283 2014
FYI: go to Fleet Site - United Mainline Fleet page and after GLOBE will be a year if known


I'll see what year some of those were painted.....

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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun May 05, 2019 2:31 pm

It looks like the entire belly is painted now
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun May 05, 2019 3:09 pm

CALTECH wrote:
Here are some aircraft with the worst paint jobs, the higher the total score, the older and in need of a paint job is needed. The fleet is regularly audited.....


AC # / Fleet Type / Total Score

6671 / 767-300 / 19

0248 / 737-800 / 18

4048 / A319 / 18

6675 / 767-300 / 17

0507 / 737-800 / 16

2510 / 777-200 / 16

6664 / 767-300 / 16

4036 / A319 / 16

6676 / 767-300 / 16

4031 / A319 / 16

4267 / A320 / 16

4047 / A319 / 16

0277 / 737-800 / 15

2511 / 777-200 / 15

0283 / 737-800 / 14

4027 / A319 / 14

4668 / A320 / 14

0264 / 737-800 / 13

6670 / 767-300 / 13

6666 / 767-300 / 13

4020 / A319 / 13

4051 / A319 / 13

4713 / A320 / 13

4002 / A319 / 12

4037 / A319 / 12


No kidding... I saw 6671 at EWR last week and it was looking pretty rough!
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun May 05, 2019 4:35 pm

DEN has some pretty good mainline increases for UA in the fall, if real - October has the following mainline frequencies (either increased or new)
DEN-MKE 3x daily (up from around 2x E75 last year if that what I remember
DEN-MSN 3x daily
DEN-GRR 3x daily
DEN-PIT 3x daily
DEN-FAT
DEN-MCI 3x daily
DEN-CID 2x daily
DEN-OMA 3x daily
DEN-BNA
DEN-RNO 3x daily
DEN-COS
DEN-JAX (up from E175)

Also ORD-ABQ is at 3x daily, 2x 737, 1x CR7 and ORD-CLE sees 8x mainline, ORD-MSP 6x mainline, and ORD-MSY 4x mainline
Probably more but good to see.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun May 05, 2019 8:10 pm

Den-JAX is mainline right now. Cool to see COS.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun May 05, 2019 8:38 pm

Slightly more extensive list......audits were done since the beginning of this year.....

AC # - Fleet Type - Total Score - AC Paint Date

6671 - 767-300 - 19 -
0297 - 737-800 - 18 - 6/5/2011
0248 - 737-800 - 18 -
4623 - A320 - 18 - 1/6/2012
4712 - A320 - 18 - 2/8/2012
4048 - A319 - 18 -
4249 - A320 - 18 - 10/7/2012
4287 - A320 - 18 - 11/19/2012
4288 - A320 - 18 - 10/10/2012
0720 - 737-700 - 17 - 10/4/2012
6675 - 767-300 - 17 -
4270 - A320 - 17 - 9/29/2012
4289 - A320 - 17 - 10/10/2012
0298 - 737-800 - 16 - 1/30/2012
0234 - 737-800 - 16 - 5/12/2011
0507 - 737-800 - 16 -
2510 - 777-200 - 16 -
0706 - 737-700 - 16 - 1/10/2013
6664 - 767-300 - 16 -
4036 - A319 - 16 -
6676 - 767-300 - 16
4006 - A319 - 16 - 10/29/2012
4031 - A319 - 16 -
4267 - A320 - 16 -
4047 - A319 - 16 -
4286 - A320 - 16 - 11/21/2012
4296 - A320 - 16 - 11/12/2012
0272 - 737-800 - 15 - 3/30/2012
0277 - 737-800 - 15 -
2511 - 777-200 - 15 -
4009 - A319 - 15 - 12/20/2012
4292 - A319 - 15 - 11/6/2012
0208 - 737-800 - 14 - 3/20/2012
0249 - 737-800 - 14 - 7/6/2014
0283 - 737-800 - 14 -
0711 - 737-700 - 14 - 10/25/2012
0704 - 737-700 - 14 - 11/15/2012
4027 - A319 - 14 -
4013 - A319 - 14 - 11/18/2012
4668 - A320 - 14
4173 - A320 - 14 - 4/5/2012
4298 - A320 - 14 - 10/15/2012
4285 - A320 - 14 - 12/24/2012
0290 - 737-800 - 13 - 10/16/2010
0274 - 737-800 - 13 - 4/23/2012
0264 - 737-800 - 13 -
0299 - 737-800 - 13 - 4/20/2011
0020 - 777-200 - 13 - 12/20/2010
0718 - 737-700 - 13 - 5/15/2014
0715 - 737-700 - 13 - 9/24/2012
6670 - 767-300 - 13 -
6666 - 757-300 - 13 -
6674 - 767-300 - 13 - 1/20/2012
0056 - 767-400 - 13 - 1/21/2012
0063 - 767-400 - 13 - 6/7/2012
4020 - A319 - 13 -
4282 - A320 - 13 - 10/25/2012
4240 - A320 - 13 - 9/26/2012
4017 - A319 - 13 - 12/13/2012
4051 - A319 - 13 -
4713 - A320 - 13 -
4242 - A320 - 13 - 11/7/2012
4290 - A320 - 13 - 10/6/2012
0440 - 737-900 - 13 - 4/14/2016
0293 - 737-800 - 12 - 5/10/2010
0218 - 737-800 - 12 - 12/26/2014
4002 - A319 - 12 -
4108 - A320 - 12 - 2/16/2012
4037 - A319 - 12 -
4297 - A320 - 12 - 9/21/2012
4034 - A319 - 12 -
4241 - A320 - 12 - 10/19/2012
4055 - A319 - 12 -
4171 - A320 - 12 - 3/8/2012
4704 - A320 - 12 -
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Mon May 06, 2019 4:29 am

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It looks like the entire belly is painted now


They were painting the bellies with that teflon paint to stop the belly rash on some of the planes, think the 757s were getting it.
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Mon May 06, 2019 5:10 am

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VC10er wrote:
A small change of topic. United does not have a large feet of 788’s- and while I realize the 789 has really worked well for them, would they ever consider more 788’s to open new routes or be right sized for certain long-thin destinations where the 788 would be perfect (and the proposed 797 would lack the range?)?

UA has the numbers, having operated both, and since receiving both 788's and 789's, they have opted to order additional 789's as well as investing in extending the life of their 767's. This says to me that at least, they don't find the 788 the right replacement for the 767's. I think it has a place in UA's fleet, mostly in exploring and opening up new markets (e.g. DEN-NRT or new routes in China), and I hope that history does not show it as the 787 equivalent of the 762. Although, even as airlines criticized the 762 later in life, for having inferior economics, it had a long life at UA and DL, even if the 763's life has been longer.


To set the record straight, United's 762's flew the JT9D-7R4D engine the B767-322's flew the PW-4060 engine While the B747-422's flew the PW-4056 so the engines were compatible and interchangeable The only airplane the B767-222 had some commonality with was the B747-222B airplanes which still weren't directly interchangeable as the 767-222 flew the -7R4D and the 747-222's flew the -7R4G and couldn't be swapped between airplanes like the -4056 and the -4060.
I know not all of you are aware of the differences but Boeing was and Pratt and Whitney sure as Heck was. The CO 767-224's flew GE Engines and at the time were different from the United -222's so it would have been maybe a headache they didn't want to have. Anyway? United didn't suffer from the lack of B767's then or Now..
 
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Mon May 06, 2019 10:11 pm

By the time of the merger, subUALs's 767-222s were long gone, while the Continental 767-224 fleet stayed for a while after the merger was announced. And the Continental 767-224s had the same GE CF6 -80C2s engines as Continental's 767-424s do, which are still in the fleet.
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Tue May 07, 2019 1:19 am

Any idea when the next China southern airbus is coming over for Ua?
 
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Tue May 07, 2019 3:00 am

i was looking through the pictures of 77W 's stored in desert......what are the odds of UA adding them to the fleet? they seem to be pretty happy with the 77W.
 
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Tue May 07, 2019 1:45 pm

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Any idea when the next China southern airbus is coming over for Ua?


Possibly soon, two of the A319s slated for UA have not flown in about a month. It's possible they are in for heavy maintenance work but they are also very likely in for exit work. That said, UA alrady has 5 A319s at GYR that it needs to induct and do modification work on so there likely isn't capacity to take on any more used aircraft in the short term.
 
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Tue May 07, 2019 4:04 pm

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i was looking through the pictures of 77W 's stored in desert......what are the odds of UA adding them to the fleet? they seem to be pretty happy with the 77W.


Pretty slim. The few 77Ws that appear to be stored in the desert are 10+ years old and are on the ~third carrier. With the deals that Boeing has been giving airlines to keep the 777 line going while the -8 and -9 are built, makes more sense to buy new vs. 10 year old aircraft.

There are more 773s in the desert, these don't make sense since they are not "ER" aircraft and will most likely have 'outlier' engines for UA.
 
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Tue May 07, 2019 4:15 pm

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xxcr wrote:
i was looking through the pictures of 77W 's stored in desert......what are the odds of UA adding them to the fleet? they seem to be pretty happy with the 77W.


Pretty slim. The few 77Ws that appear to be stored in the desert are 10+ years old and are on the ~third carrier. With the deals that Boeing has been giving airlines to keep the 777 line going while the -8 and -9 are built, makes more sense to buy new vs. 10 year old aircraft.

There are more 773s in the desert, these don't make sense since they are not "ER" aircraft and will most likely have 'outlier' engines for UA.

I'm pretty sure most of the 77Ws out there are ex-EK, and from what I've read on here (so take it with a grain of salt), they tend to run their airplanes into the ground from a cycles/hours perspective. It wouldn't make much sense for UA to heavily invest in aircraft that are very used.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue May 07, 2019 4:25 pm

strfyr51 wrote:
...CO 767-224's flew GE Engines and at the time were different from the United -222's so it would have been maybe a headache they didn't want to have. Anyway? United didn't suffer from the lack of B767's then or Now..


The CO 762s were very useful on the Europe to EWR (westbound) flights during the winter when the winds stressed the range of the CO 752s. Berlin-EWR was much easier is the 762, for example.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue May 07, 2019 4:52 pm

GmoneyCO wrote:
Cmac787 wrote:
Any idea when the next China southern airbus is coming over for Ua?


Possibly soon, two of the A319s slated for UA have not flown in about a month. It's possible they are in for heavy maintenance work but they are also very likely in for exit work. That said, UA alrady has 5 A319s at GYR that it needs to induct and do modification work on so there likely isn't capacity to take on any more used aircraft in the short term.


Wonder how the economics work on these. Is UA paying for them while they sit in the desert? They don’t seem in a rush to induct them.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue May 07, 2019 4:56 pm

SumChristianus wrote:
DEN has some pretty good mainline increases for UA in the fall, if real - October has the following mainline frequencies (either increased or new)
DEN-MKE 3x daily (up from around 2x E75 last year if that what I remember
DEN-MSN 3x daily
DEN-GRR 3x daily
DEN-PIT 3x daily
DEN-FAT
DEN-MCI 3x daily
DEN-CID 2x daily
DEN-OMA 3x daily
DEN-BNA
DEN-RNO 3x daily
DEN-COS
DEN-JAX (up from E175)

Also ORD-ABQ is at 3x daily, 2x 737, 1x CR7 and ORD-CLE sees 8x mainline, ORD-MSP 6x mainline, and ORD-MSY 4x mainline
Probably more but good to see.

I wouldn't be surprised if mainline were added EUG - ORD. Maybe people from MFR will drive up to Eugene and fly the non - stop route.
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue May 07, 2019 6:43 pm

SFOtoORD wrote:
GmoneyCO wrote:
Cmac787 wrote:
Any idea when the next China southern airbus is coming over for Ua?


Possibly soon, two of the A319s slated for UA have not flown in about a month. It's possible they are in for heavy maintenance work but they are also very likely in for exit work. That said, UA alrady has 5 A319s at GYR that it needs to induct and do modification work on so there likely isn't capacity to take on any more used aircraft in the short term.


Wonder how the economics work on these. Is UA paying for them while they sit in the desert? They don’t seem in a rush to induct them.


Most of the used aircraft they have bought vs. leased so its less of a factor. The induction process for used aircraft is quite lengthy, especially ones operated by a foreign carrier. I've been told the amount of inspection work that needs to be completed in order to provide the correct level of documentation to the FAA in order to get the plane certified is the same regardless of whether it comes from a US carrier or a foreign one; it's the quality of the maintenance logs, etc. that you receive from the previous owner that makes the difference in addition to the overall condition of the plane when it's received.

While the ex-Hawaiian 763s have taken the better part of a year to have mod-work completed, I imagine the paperwork side of things was easier to complete since the quality of the logs provided by Hawaiian was more thorough and everything was in English vs. not everything will be in English in the case of the ex-Shaheen or ex-China Southern aircraft.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue May 07, 2019 7:21 pm

GmoneyCO wrote:
SFOtoORD wrote:
GmoneyCO wrote:

Possibly soon, two of the A319s slated for UA have not flown in about a month. It's possible they are in for heavy maintenance work but they are also very likely in for exit work. That said, UA alrady has 5 A319s at GYR that it needs to induct and do modification work on so there likely isn't capacity to take on any more used aircraft in the short term.


Wonder how the economics work on these. Is UA paying for them while they sit in the desert? They don’t seem in a rush to induct them.


Most of the used aircraft they have bought vs. leased so its less of a factor. The induction process for used aircraft is quite lengthy, especially ones operated by a foreign carrier. I've been told the amount of inspection work that needs to be completed in order to provide the correct level of documentation to the FAA in order to get the plane certified is the same regardless of whether it comes from a US carrier or a foreign one; it's the quality of the maintenance logs, etc. that you receive from the previous owner that makes the difference in addition to the overall condition of the plane when it's received.

While the ex-Hawaiian 763s have taken the better part of a year to have mod-work completed, I imagine the paperwork side of things was easier to complete since the quality of the logs provided by Hawaiian was more thorough and everything was in English vs. not everything will be in English in the case of the ex-Shaheen or ex-China Southern aircraft.


Interesting. I assume the time these aircraft sit on the ground and the work they take to mod and document are both baked into their financial model.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue May 07, 2019 7:53 pm

SFOtoORD wrote:
GmoneyCO wrote:
SFOtoORD wrote:

Wonder how the economics work on these. Is UA paying for them while they sit in the desert? They don’t seem in a rush to induct them.


Most of the used aircraft they have bought vs. leased so its less of a factor. The induction process for used aircraft is quite lengthy, especially ones operated by a foreign carrier. I've been told the amount of inspection work that needs to be completed in order to provide the correct level of documentation to the FAA in order to get the plane certified is the same regardless of whether it comes from a US carrier or a foreign one; it's the quality of the maintenance logs, etc. that you receive from the previous owner that makes the difference in addition to the overall condition of the plane when it's received.

While the ex-Hawaiian 763s have taken the better part of a year to have mod-work completed, I imagine the paperwork side of things was easier to complete since the quality of the logs provided by Hawaiian was more thorough and everything was in English vs. not everything will be in English in the case of the ex-Shaheen or ex-China Southern aircraft.


Interesting. I assume the time these aircraft sit on the ground and the work they take to mod and document are both baked into their financial model.

Realistically it will not take long for the aircraft to generate the revenue to offset the time they’ve been out of service. Plus they’re from the early 2000s and will be around for at least a decade.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed May 08, 2019 4:47 am

Paint lines closed for the summer - so the only hope of seeing any additional aircraft in the new livery would be any new deliveries.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed May 08, 2019 6:26 pm

codc10 wrote:
CALTECH wrote:
Here are some aircraft with the worst paint jobs, the higher the total score, the older and in need of a paint job is needed. The fleet is regularly audited.....


AC # / Fleet Type / Total Score

6671 / 767-300 / 19

0248 / 737-800 / 18

4048 / A319 / 18

6675 / 767-300 / 17

0507 / 737-800 / 16

2510 / 777-200 / 16

6664 / 767-300 / 16

4036 / A319 / 16

6676 / 767-300 / 16

4031 / A319 / 16

4267 / A320 / 16

4047 / A319 / 16

0277 / 737-800 / 15

2511 / 777-200 / 15

0283 / 737-800 / 14

4027 / A319 / 14

4668 / A320 / 14

0264 / 737-800 / 13

6670 / 767-300 / 13

6666 / 767-300 / 13

4020 / A319 / 13

4051 / A319 / 13

4713 / A320 / 13

4002 / A319 / 12

4037 / A319 / 12


No kidding... I saw 6671 at EWR last week and it was looking pretty rough!

A lot of the Mesa CRJ7s flying out of IAD are looking pretty rough too. I imagine those would be candidates to receive paint first on the Express side.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu May 09, 2019 1:10 am

Runway28L wrote:
codc10 wrote:
CALTECH wrote:
Here are some aircraft with the worst paint jobs, the higher the total score, the older and in need of a paint job is needed. The fleet is regularly audited.....


AC # / Fleet Type / Total Score

6671 / 767-300 / 19

0248 / 737-800 / 18

4048 / A319 / 18

6675 / 767-300 / 17

0507 / 737-800 / 16

2510 / 777-200 / 16

6664 / 767-300 / 16

4036 / A319 / 16

6676 / 767-300 / 16

4031 / A319 / 16

4267 / A320 / 16

4047 / A319 / 16

0277 / 737-800 / 15

2511 / 777-200 / 15

0283 / 737-800 / 14

4027 / A319 / 14

4668 / A320 / 14

0264 / 737-800 / 13

6670 / 767-300 / 13

6666 / 767-300 / 13

4020 / A319 / 13

4051 / A319 / 13

4713 / A320 / 13

4002 / A319 / 12

4037 / A319 / 12


No kidding... I saw 6671 at EWR last week and it was looking pretty rough!

A lot of the Mesa CRJ7s flying out of IAD are looking pretty rough too. I imagine those would be candidates to receive paint first on the Express side.

I'm curious to see this livery on T-Tails. I have a feeling the rising blue part won't have much space, and some of the swoopy lines will be hidden by the engines and further back wings.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu May 09, 2019 6:03 am

772:
N78003 sked to enter HKG 895/9May, should be in for Polaris/PE
N27015 sked to exit HKG 896/11May, should have Polaris/PE, but seat map doesn't reflect yet
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu May 09, 2019 1:51 pm

772:
N27015 now showing Polaris/PE seat map.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat May 11, 2019 8:06 am

UAX Update:

E175:
N602UX has been delivered to ExpressJet (2nd in fleet, revenue service begins in June)

CR2:
​​​​​​​N909EV has left ExpressJet and is now flying Skywest for UAX
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat May 11, 2019 5:10 pm

The fleet changes and fleet status posts at the start of this thread have been updated.

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