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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:27 am

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rjmf22 wrote:
Seeing some 763's on the IAD-SFO route for this week. UA1763 today and on friday operated by a 763, last minute equipment swaps or are they flying them over to HKG for Polaris? Can't remember the last time we saw UA 767 passenger service to SFO.

Todays flight is operated by ship #6674.



damn!!!!! its been a long time since UA operated any 767 flights into SFO. I flew on a 763 from ORD-SFO back in 2003......


The 763 is just filling in for a 788. Tail number N27903 has been out of service at ZRH since the morning of the 26th after completing UA52 IAH-ZRH Aug 25th there is an issue with the primary electronic cooling system (PECS). UA mechanics from LHR dispatched to ZRH to repair the aircraft and as of now the aircraft will ferry position as UA2786 on Aug 30th after a new crew is deadhead to ZRH on this evenings flight to ZRH.
 
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United upgauges GIG, GRU and SCL from IAH

Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:00 am

United is changing aircraft types for 3 of the deep South America routes from IAH for the winter season, Rio de Janeiro, Santiago and Sao Paulo. Rio de Janeiro and Santiago will flown by a 764ER and Sao Paulo will be flown by a 772. All three routes have been flown by a 767-300 since I believe early 2015. A decent increase in capacity for the busy southern Hemisphere summer season. EZE is already flown by a 772 with occasional 77W substitutions (though once EWR-EZE began the 77W subs become very uncommon). Quito is flown by a 738/739 and Bogota by a 752 on one flight and a 737-700 on the other.
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Re: United upgauges GIG, GRU and SCL from IAH

Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:42 am

I believe GIG was flown as a 787-8 briefly as well. I think it was during the Olympics, but may have lasted longer.
 
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Re: United upgauges GIG, GRU and SCL from IAH

Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:09 am

Interesting to see UA move the 767-400ER's off EWR and IAD where the fleet is concentrated and has been for the past 2 or so years. Sort of makes sense since a lot more TATL flying over the winter is on 763s, particularly, but not limited to routes that feature the 764 in Summer.

Does anyone know when UA will begin modifications on the 767-400ER fleet (16 frames total)? They all sport the old CO BusinessFIrst second generation seat, and no premium economy.
 
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Re: United upgauges GIG, GRU and SCL from IAH

Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:18 am

Looking at it again, makes sense that some 764 frames are being freed up as UA standardizes EWR-LHR around the high-density Polaris 763 and more Switzerland flights move to the same high density premium 763 (EWR-ZRH for instance), the dropping of EWR-EZE (which has been flown on a 764 over the Northern Hemisphere winter) and some other seasonal adjustments like EWR-ATH freeing up a plane (it operates May to Sept only), EWR-LIS going back to 763 or 752, and EWR-MXP which has moved to a 763 last winter, before coming back as a 764 for the spring and summer.
 
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Re: United upgauges GIG, GRU and SCL from IAH

Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:38 am

Good to see them adding capacity to South Am after dropping EWR-EZE.
 
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Re: United upgauges GIG, GRU and SCL from IAH

Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:42 am

United has and always had pretty decent prices out Brazil and way better service and products than Latam both for direct destinations or connexions in USA so, for those who don't care about using "country airline for patriotism" and to accrual miles easily for domestic flights even paying more for that, this a a result of good work and smart pricing strategy.
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Re: United upgauges GIG, GRU and SCL from IAH

Thu Aug 29, 2019 12:22 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
Interesting to see UA move the 767-400ER's off EWR and IAD where the fleet is concentrated and has been for the past 2 or so years. Sort of makes sense since a lot more TATL flying over the winter is on 763s, particularly, but not limited to routes that feature the 764 in Summer.

Does anyone know when UA will begin modifications on the 767-400ER fleet (16 frames total)? They all sport the old CO BusinessFIrst second generation seat, and no premium economy.



I believe 764 mods are due to start in Summer 2020 and finish around the end of the year.
 
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Re: United upgauges GIG, GRU and SCL from IAH

Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:59 pm

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I believe 764 mods are due to start in Summer 2020 and finish around the end of the year.


For how long will UA keep their 764 fleet operational? Seeing that they will modify the cabins, this means they will keep them for quite some time, is that correct?

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Re: United upgauges GIG, GRU and SCL from IAH

Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:14 pm

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codc10 wrote:
I believe 764 mods are due to start in Summer 2020 and finish around the end of the year.


For how long will UA keep their 764 fleet operational? Seeing that they will modify the cabins, this means they will keep them for quite some time, is that correct?

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All were delivered between 2000 and 2002 so the 764s have probably a decades worth of life left in them.
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Re: United upgauges GIG, GRU and SCL from IAH

Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:31 pm

It’s all because they are moving airplanes with Polaris to EWR and those without to IAH.
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Re: United upgauges GIG, GRU and SCL from IAH

Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:46 pm

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It’s all because they are moving airplanes with Polaris to EWR and those without to IAH.


Spot on... EWR and SFO are the hub airports with highest volume of paid (local) business class demand, and also most exposed to premium international competition. So, as the 763/777 mod programs wrap up, EWR will see more of both, plus new 787s (displacing 764s), and SFO will see some 787-9s displaced by 777s. Likewise, Chicago will see some 777s displaced by 787s, and Houston some 764s for 763/777s.
 
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Re: United upgauges GIG, GRU and SCL from IAH

Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:57 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
Interesting to see UA move the 767-400ER's off EWR and IAD where the fleet is concentrated and has been for the past 2 or so years.


Woah there... They're not moving the 764s away from EWR just yet. If you look at the schedules in January you'll see EWR-IAH, EWR-SJU, EWR-AMS, EWR-TXL, EWR-MUC, EWR-MXP, and EWR-HNL all still see 764 flights. It's true that they're gone from IAD, but they've really only been there on and off over the last few years, and on a very limited number of routes (usually no more than 3 764 flights from IAD in a day).

At IAH, there will be IAH-EWR, IAH-SCL, IAH-GIG, and IAH-LHR flights on the 764.
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Re: United upgauges GIG, GRU and SCL from IAH

Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:15 pm

FSDan wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
Interesting to see UA move the 767-400ER's off EWR and IAD where the fleet is concentrated and has been for the past 2 or so years.


Woah there... They're not moving the 764s away from EWR just yet. If you look at the schedules in January you'll see EWR-IAH, EWR-SJU, EWR-AMS, EWR-TXL, EWR-MUC, EWR-MXP, and EWR-HNL all still see 764 flights. It's true that they're gone from IAD, but they've really only been there on and off over the last few years, and on a very limited number of routes (usually no more than 3 764 flights from IAD in a day).

At IAH, there will be IAH-EWR, IAH-SCL, IAH-GIG, and IAH-LHR flights on the 764.


It's a move for the 2020 IATA summer season, effective March or so. UA needs to spool up and train a 787 pilot domicile at ORD and deal with displacements from the 787; meanwhile, IAH B756 will have some vacancies, no doubt to go pretty senior (given that it will mostly be additional 764 flying).
 
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Re: United upgauges GIG, GRU and SCL from IAH

Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:38 pm

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At IAH, there will be IAH-EWR, IAH-SCL, IAH-GIG, and IAH-LHR flights on the 764.


IAH-LHR is down gauged for around 4 weeks (January) but quickly returns to a 77E in Feburary.

We have to keep in mind this upcoming IATA winter UA will have a lot of frames out of service for Polaris/PE. Looking at the schedule at one point there will be a total of 5 77Es at either HKG (GE) or XMN (PW) for Polaris/PE installation. But the good news is except for the 4 PW frames that will be converted to HD the last PW 77E will enter XMN this December and the last GE 77E will enter HKG in May 2020. I'm trying to get information as to when UA intends to pull the 4 PW 77Es from international routes I would hope these aircraft would be pulled from international service once the final GE 77E enters HKG for Polaris. For now I have not seen any schedule dictating when those 4 aircraft will be converted into HD layout.

The 788 should also be done by May 2020, the last 763 should be exiting HKG by August 2020, and the first 764 is scheduled to enter HKG in August 2020.

Looking at the schedule most of the IAH flights that are being upguaged to764s for the winter 2019/2020 season are once again being downguaged to a 763 in spring of 2020. By spring 2020 there will only be a hand full of 763 remaining with diamond seats and by April 2020 if the schedule holds the second to last GE 77E will already be at HKG having Polaris/PE installed meaning there will only be 1 GE 77E frame flying around with diamond seats. The 764s will be making their way back to EWR and IAD to support UA's increased TATL summer and season travel season which means there is a very good chance 80% of IAH's international flights will be on Polaris equipped aircraft. (Noticed I said Polaris because the oldest 763s do not have PE seats I think some those 763s will be used on IAH-South America routes during the spring summer 2020 season.)
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:03 pm

The next ex-China Southern A319 will make its way to the US from XMN. Tail number N879UA is schedule to leave XMN on September 1st. The routing is as follows, XMN-NRT-ANC-ORD. After a very long 2 day trip the aircraft will be inspected at ORD before continuing onward to AMA. This frame is 15 years old however UA should be able to get at least another 8-10 years of service out of this frame.

No update as to when N879UA will be ready to enter revenue service.
 
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Re: United upgauges GIG, GRU and SCL from IAH

Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:41 am

FSDan wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
Interesting to see UA move the 767-400ER's off EWR and IAD where the fleet is concentrated and has been for the past 2 or so years.


Woah there... They're not moving the 764s away from EWR just yet. If you look at the schedules in January you'll see EWR-IAH, EWR-SJU, EWR-AMS, EWR-TXL, EWR-MUC, EWR-MXP, and EWR-HNL all still see 764 flights. It's true that they're gone from IAD, but they've really only been there on and off over the last few years, and on a very limited number of routes (usually no more than 3 764 flights from IAD in a day).

At IAH, there will be IAH-EWR, IAH-SCL, IAH-GIG, and IAH-LHR flights on the 764.


I wasn't saying ALL 764's were moving away from EWR/IAD, but this the first time in a while that they are not being concentrated at EWR/IAD in a long while.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:55 am

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The next ex-China Southern A319 will make its way to the US from XMN. Tail number N879UA is schedule to leave XMN on September 1st. The routing is as follows, XMN-NRT-ANC-ORD. After a very long 2 day trip the aircraft will be inspected at ORD before continuing onward to AMA. This frame is 15 years old however UA should be able to get at least another 8-10 years of service out of this frame.

No update as to when N879UA will be ready to enter revenue service.


It seems like these deliveries from China are taking FOREVER. Is WHQ regretting agreeing to these specific frames and not paying more for some that need less attention and could be inducted faster? Or are these being delivered pretty much on time?

Obviously hindsight is 20/20, if they could have seen the future with the MAX grounding perhaps they would have happily paid much more for faster induction frames.
 
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Re: United upgauges GIG, GRU and SCL from IAH

Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:38 am

Cointrin330 wrote:
I wasn't saying ALL 764's were moving away from EWR/IAD, but this the first time in a while that they are not being concentrated at EWR/IAD in a long while.


Got it - that's true. Sorry I misunderstood your statement.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:53 am

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It seems like these deliveries from China are taking FOREVER. Is WHQ regretting agreeing to these specific frames and not paying more for some that need less attention and could be inducted faster? Or are these being delivered pretty much on time?

Obviously hindsight is 20/20, if they could have seen the future with the MAX grounding perhaps they would have happily paid much more for faster induction frames.


I don't think most people understand the amount of time and manpower that goes into this process.

Don't take offense to this next statement because it isn't a personal attack or meant to be degrading or disrespectful.

Buying a used aircraft is not the same as buying a used car. When a US carrier buys a used aircraft every maintenance record from the time the aircraft enters service has to be gone over with a fine tooth comb. For example if the previous owner had to replace a slat the FAA wants to know were did the replacement part come from was it approved by Airbus, the bolts used to fasten the slat where did they come from are they approved for an A319. These frames we are getting have been in service with China Southern for at least 12 years there are a ton of maintenance records to go through before they can ferry the planes to the US.

But to answer your question I don't think UA has any regrets because it isn't like this is their first time buying used aircraft. In fact as a reference point look at how long the ex-Hawaiian birds were grounded while UA went over every maintenance record since HA took delivery of those 763s. It is a time consuming process but in the end it's worth the price.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:00 pm

Is there a confirmed Polaris seat map for the 764? i remember reading that the J seat count will be less than the current setup.....whats the reason for this? is it the location of door 2? maybe they'll add more lavs for the new layout! 5 lavs is not enough!!!
 
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Re: United upgauges GIG, GRU and SCL from IAH

Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:03 pm

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I believe GIG was flown as a 787-8 briefly as well. I think it was during the Olympics, but may have lasted longer.



if you are correct, also a little earlier, at first the Boeing 787-8 flew IAH-SCL / GRU / GIG ​​that were Continental's plans, then they went to SFO and the B787 IAH base was closed for a time, until UA opened it again and launched IAH-SYD and one of the IAH-LHR flights passed to B789
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 1:55 pm

319:
N876UA sked to exit XMN Induction 2693/2Sep to NRT, (Ex CS B-6040), AMA for paint?

764:
N67052 entered HKG 2782/30Aug, maint
N76055 exited HKG 2779/29Aug, maint
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:23 pm

The fleet status post at the start of the thread has been updated. Additionally, more information has been included in the fleet repainting post at the start of the thread. It includes totals and percentages. Information on specific ship numbers can be found at the included link to the United Fleet Site, Globe Evolution Progress page.

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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:04 pm

319:
N876UA in NRT, sked 2694/3Sep NRT-ANC and 2695 ANC-ORD. Don't see AMA on FR24 or FlightAware at this point

738:
N73291 sked to enter AMA 2748/Sep for Globe Evolution paint
N39297 sked to exit AMA paint 2746/2Sep with Globe Evolution paint
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:06 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
319:
N876UA in NRT, sked 2694/3Sep NRT-ANC and 2695 ANC-ORD. Don't see AMA on FR24 or FlightAware at this point

738:
N73291 sked to enter AMA 2748/Sep for Globe Evolution paint
N39297 sked to exit AMA paint 2746/2Sep with Globe Evolution paint


Wasn’t the repainting schedule suspended due to the MAX groundings?
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:57 pm

avi8 wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
319:
N876UA in NRT, sked 2694/3Sep NRT-ANC and 2695 ANC-ORD. Don't see AMA on FR24 or FlightAware at this point

738:
N73291 sked to enter AMA 2748/Sep for Globe Evolution paint
N39297 sked to exit AMA paint 2746/2Sep with Globe Evolution paint


Wasn’t the repainting schedule suspended due to the MAX groundings?


Repainting was suspended due to the summer rush but as that is over, even with the MAX groundings, there is slack in the fleet so it can start up again.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:57 pm

United1 wrote:
avi8 wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
319:
N876UA in NRT, sked 2694/3Sep NRT-ANC and 2695 ANC-ORD. Don't see AMA on FR24 or FlightAware at this point

738:
N73291 sked to enter AMA 2748/Sep for Globe Evolution paint
N39297 sked to exit AMA paint 2746/2Sep with Globe Evolution paint


Wasn’t the repainting schedule suspended due to the MAX groundings?


Repainting was suspended due to the summer rush but as that is over, even with the MAX groundings, there is slack in the fleet so it can start up again.


N876UA in ORD for FDA Inspection.

Once approved. Should be routed to AMA or another Paint Vendor. Still in China Southern colors.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:06 pm

UAX Update:

CR7:
N172GJ exited service, awaiting CR5 conversion at STL

CR2:
N405AW (1999 build) entered service with Air Wisconsin (old globe livery). Number 64 in ZW fleet
N856AS exited ExpressJet and is now flying UAX with Skywest
N884AS has left revenue service - broken up for parts

E175SC:
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:05 am

I know I’ve read it, but haven’t retained it. The 772 fleet that has or will have been refurbished to the new interiors, Polaris/PE, how many years of flying can be squeezed out of them before the A350 must come in to replace them?
And will the Polaris seats be in good enough condition to move over to the A350, or will the A350 come sporting factory new seats (even Polaris?
I guess what I’m getting at is the life time of a Polaris seat? Right now they are all new a spiffy, but how many passenger butts can a Polaris seat take before they need to be scrapped and replaced?
I would guess my last ride in a pmUA Global First seat on a 772 was about 6 months ago. She still looked good, no scratches or wear at all. So, how old is that seat now, I cannot imagine UA ordered more of their old Global First seat to replace the originals. Unless UA had many spares build and in bubble wrap stored in warehouses?
Nothing lasts forever and after 100,000 butts and 100,000 reclines and button pushing, I would assume they would develop wear and tear and bugs in the works?
So it makes me wonder how long UA expects 1 Polaris seat to last before requiring replacement.

Last: (curiosity) throughput the pmUA network, UA had quite a large collection of art. From framed artwork to sculptures etc. WHERE DID THEY ALL GO?

Where is the enormous red painted metal modern sculpture from the upstairs RCC go? Is it on Smisek’s back yard?
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:46 pm

319:
N876UA sked AMA paint 2749/4Sep, prior to revenue service

39M:
About half of grounded units now in GYR: 503/504/506/510/513/514
505 and 512 sked to ferry IAH-GYR today
6 other 39M units in HOU, but expect them to move over the next few days

752:
N14102 entered AMA paint 2741/3Sep

This will put 2 738s, a 319 and 752 in AMA paint.

772:
N784UA entered XMN 2732/4Sep, maint only, already has Polaris
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:27 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
319:
N876UA sked AMA paint 2749/4Sep, prior to revenue service

39M:
About half of grounded units now in GYR: 503/504/506/510/513/514
505 and 512 sked to ferry IAH-GYR today
6 other 39M units in HOU, but expect them to move over the next few days

752:
N14102 entered AMA paint 2741/3Sep

This will put 2 738s, a 319 and 752 in AMA paint.

772:
N784UA entered XMN 2732/4Sep, maint only, already has Polaris



https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL ... /KORD/KAMA

Will be operated by 4876 - scheduled in AMA until 9/14
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:36 pm

At the Cowen conference this morning, Gerry Laderman and Andrew Nocella gave a 30-minute Q&A with some interesting insight:

- The network performed well this summer but projections for China/HKG have deteriorated, dragging down 3Q/FY19 PRASM and earnings upside. Still targeting the midpoint of guidance but that region is a 50 basis point headwind. Based on that, my personal expectation is to see more 789s replace 772s to China (improve margin) and perhaps see SFO-CTU dropped. I also don't expect United to fight very hard for EWR-PVG #2.

- No plans to resume HKG-ORD/GUM until conditions substantially improve. GUM-HKG is probably never coming back, while my read is ORD-HKG is more likely, but not any time soon, despite the history in the market.

- AM DEN mega-banks will be reversed in the February. Current westbound arrivals come in around ~0830 and turn for ~0930 departures, while eastbound arrivals are around ~1000 and turn to ~1100 departures. Now, eastbound flights will be arriving earlier, meaning some earlier departures from the West Coast, think closer to 0600 than 0700. On the East Coast, this means more departures around the 0800 hour, about an hour later than now. This was described as a matter of customer preference based on actual experience (West Coast business pax seem to prefer earlier departures).

- Domestic connectivity was United's most glaring weakness when Nocella arrived, and that has been rectified substantially by adding "depth" (better schedules) but with more 50-seaters than they would like. So, in the next 2-3 years, the focus will move to increasing gauge, which will also improve CASM. Scope (surprise!) is a hurdle.

- They look at the seasonal TATL markets as experimental flying and, in some cases, target places where Star doesn't have much share. This stimulates growth and doesn't negatively impact the integrity of European JV hubs. NAP, PMO, NCE (probably SkyTeam-primary and where OW has larger share than *A) were identified as such. So this might give some guidance as to where UA might like to go in the future.

- 2020 budgeting is underway, taking a "bottom-up" approach for the 3rd year running.

- 2020 will be the company's largest aircraft capex year since the merger, with lots of widebodies coming in.

- The company secured some very attractive (<3%) EETC financing for the purchase of new WBs and RJs, presumably the 787s/77Ws plus E75SCs on order for 2019/2020 deliveries.

- Accordingly, Laderman's greatest long-term concern is the macroeconomic situation, since credit markets are great (Nocella agreed).

Anyway, nothing earth-shattering, but some good insight.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:11 pm

Just order the ERJ-195E2 or A220 already.


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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:27 pm

codc10 wrote:
- They look at the seasonal TATL markets as experimental flying and, in some cases, target places where Star doesn't have much share. This stimulates growth and doesn't negatively impact the integrity of European JV hubs. NAP, PMO, NCE (probably SkyTeam-primary and where OW has larger share than *A) were identified as such. So this might give some guidance as to where UA might like to go in the future.


It would be nice if this would mean a return to some markets in the UK, or a better partnership with someone non-star. When CO was in Skyteam, it was nice being able to fly KLM, because they seem bigger in the UK than BA, at times. LH doesn't fly to half the small markets in the UK, which is surprising and disappointing to me. Plus, I don't enjoy changing planes in FRA, AMS was alright. LHR would be great if they had a partner in Terminal 2, so I could use the UA club.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:28 pm

STT757 wrote:
Just order the ERJ-195E2 or A220 already.


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I think they will. I think they're just using that as a negotiating point with pilots now.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:47 pm

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in some cases, target places where Star doesn't have much share. This stimulates growth and doesn't negatively impact the integrity of European JV hubs.


It makes sense why LHR, CDG, and AMS are the largest non-Star hub stations for UA in Europe. Besides being some of the largest European markets in their own right, connections from the U.S. to these destinations would have to backtrack through the central European JV hubs. So there's not much to lose by offering nonstops from large U.S. business markets to these destinations rather than forcing connections through FRA/MUC/ZRH.

I'd think secondary UK + Ireland and the Iberian Peninsula would be other examples where nonstops from the U.S. wouldn't steal too much connecting traffic from the interior European hubs.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:47 pm

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STT757 wrote:
Just order the ERJ-195E2 or A220 already.


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I think they will. I think they're just using that as a negotiating point with pilots now.


How so? The airline is already allowed to operate E-195s or A220; they just have to be operated by mainline.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:28 pm

codc10 wrote:

- They look at the seasonal TATL markets as experimental flying and, in some cases, target places where Star doesn't have much share. This stimulates growth and doesn't negatively impact the integrity of European JV hubs. NAP, PMO, NCE (probably SkyTeam-primary and where OW has larger share than *A) were identified as such. So this might give some guidance as to where UA might like to go in the future.

- 2020 budgeting is underway, taking a "bottom-up" approach for the 3rd year running.

- 2020 will be the company's largest aircraft capex year since the merger, with lots of widebodies coming in.

- The company secured some very attractive (<3%) EETC financing for the purchase of new WBs and RJs, presumably the 787s/77Ws plus E75SCs on order for 2019/2020 deliveries.


I like the experimental flying UA recently started and announced, I hope some of it EWR-CPT becomes year around if the market can support it but overall I think the additional flying during the summer is great. However I would love to see more experimental flying during the winter months to destinations in the Southern Hemisphere.

As far as widebody deliveries I just saw an updated expected delivery schedule showing all the aircraft deliveries UA expects through June of 2020. I will focus on the widebodies because the MAX deliveries are anyones guess seeing they are still grounded so the delivery schedule is mute.

Expected Widebody Deliveries
November 2019 - 2 frames
December 2019 - 2 frames
January 2020 - 2 frames
February 2020 - 0 frames
March 2020 - 4 frames
April 2020 - 1 frame
May 2020 - 2 frames
June 2020 - 2 frames

Total deliveries between November 2019 and June 2020, UA expects to take delivery of 15 widebodies a mixture of 789s, 78Js and 77Ws.

So as you stated a lot of widebody deliveries in 2020 and we haven't even looked at the second half of 2020 yet.

I can't wait for Summer 2021 with Polaris/PE still on schedule to wrap up by the end of 2020 it will be interesting to see where UA flies all these planes come summer 2021.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:33 pm

Really interesting (and smart) strategy with regards to choosing destinations where the LH Group airlines aren’t so strong. Maybe that gives us some hope that UA might be interested in trying DEN-AMS/CDG.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:33 pm

UA probably want some minor changes that make sense and doesn't harm pilots.

Allowing the 76 seat 175 E2, which would bring a quieter, more efficient aircraft into the fleet w/o changing numbers of total E175s.

And how about some minor relief to allow more than 70 additional 76 seaters if the 220 or E195 come on the scene. With current scope, UA would be forced to cap the E195 or 220 fleet when the 70 RJs cap is met.

That's why its called negotiations and common sense stuff should be a no brainer that grows UA and its pilot jobs.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:13 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
UA probably want some minor changes that make sense and doesn't harm pilots.

Allowing the 76 seat 175 E2, which would bring a quieter, more efficient aircraft into the fleet w/o changing numbers of total E175s.

And how about some minor relief to allow more than 70 additional 76 seaters if the 220 or E195 come on the scene. With current scope, UA would be forced to cap the E195 or 220 fleet when the 70 RJs cap is met.

That's why its called negotiations and common sense stuff should be a no brainer that grows UA and its pilot jobs.


UA scope is the same as Delta’s; Delta just chose to operate a 100-seat product (and two of them, at that.) It takes 88 jets to “unlock” the scope, but neither company is restricted if they wish to operate more (and Delta currently does).
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:22 am

sdh9 wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
UA probably want some minor changes that make sense and doesn't harm pilots.

Allowing the 76 seat 175 E2, which would bring a quieter, more efficient aircraft into the fleet w/o changing numbers of total E175s.

And how about some minor relief to allow more than 70 additional 76 seaters if the 220 or E195 come on the scene. With current scope, UA would be forced to cap the E195 or 220 fleet when the 70 RJs cap is met.

That's why its called negotiations and common sense stuff should be a no brainer that grows UA and its pilot jobs.


UA scope is the same as Delta’s; Delta just chose to operate a 100-seat product (and two of them, at that.) It takes 88 jets to “unlock” the scope, but neither company is restricted if they wish to operate more (and Delta currently does).

Did the CSeries allow DL to bring more 70-76seaters on property?
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:52 am

DL was allowed to bring more 70-76 seaters on property when they brought in the 717.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:10 pm

jayunited wrote:
codc10 wrote:

- They look at the seasonal TATL markets as experimental flying and, in some cases, target places where Star doesn't have much share. This stimulates growth and doesn't negatively impact the integrity of European JV hubs. NAP, PMO, NCE (probably SkyTeam-primary and where OW has larger share than *A) were identified as such. So this might give some guidance as to where UA might like to go in the future.

- 2020 budgeting is underway, taking a "bottom-up" approach for the 3rd year running.

- 2020 will be the company's largest aircraft capex year since the merger, with lots of widebodies coming in.

- The company secured some very attractive (<3%) EETC financing for the purchase of new WBs and RJs, presumably the 787s/77Ws plus E75SCs on order for 2019/2020 deliveries.


I like the experimental flying UA recently started and announced, I hope some of it EWR-CPT becomes year around if the market can support it but overall I think the additional flying during the summer is great. However I would love to see more experimental flying during the winter months to destinations in the Southern Hemisphere.

As far as widebody deliveries I just saw an updated expected delivery schedule showing all the aircraft deliveries UA expects through June of 2020. I will focus on the widebodies because the MAX deliveries are anyones guess seeing they are still grounded so the delivery schedule is mute.

Expected Widebody Deliveries
November 2019 - 2 frames
December 2019 - 2 frames
January 2020 - 2 frames
February 2020 - 0 frames
March 2020 - 4 frames
April 2020 - 1 frame
May 2020 - 2 frames
June 2020 - 2 frames

Total deliveries between November 2019 and June 2020, UA expects to take delivery of 15 widebodies a mixture of 789s, 78Js and 77Ws.

So as you stated a lot of widebody deliveries in 2020 and we haven't even looked at the second half of 2020 yet.

I can't wait for Summer 2021 with Polaris/PE still on schedule to wrap up by the end of 2020 it will be interesting to see where UA flies all these planes come summer 2021.

Does this mean that November (or October, if someone is taking pictures in Everett) is when we'll see our first widebody in the new livery?
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:17 pm

sdh9 wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
UA probably want some minor changes that make sense and doesn't harm pilots.

Allowing the 76 seat 175 E2, which would bring a quieter, more efficient aircraft into the fleet w/o changing numbers of total E175s.

And how about some minor relief to allow more than 70 additional 76 seaters if the 220 or E195 come on the scene. With current scope, UA would be forced to cap the E195 or 220 fleet when the 70 RJs cap is met.

That's why its called negotiations and common sense stuff should be a no brainer that grows UA and its pilot jobs.


UA scope is the same as Delta’s; Delta just chose to operate a 100-seat product (and two of them, at that.) It takes 88 jets to “unlock” the scope, but neither company is restricted if they wish to operate more (and Delta currently does).


UA won't commit to a 100-seater until it reaches a new agreement with the pilots, and the scope clause in that contract will dictate what UA does in that regard. I don't see UAL ALPA giving an inch on scope, but I wonder if we could see a substitute provision more carefully designed and oriented to United's situation, not a carbon copy of Delta's C2012. Delta's 2012 scope clause was tied to the pending AirTran 717 deal, to the number, which is not relevant to United in 2019/2020.

That's why the 2-3 year upgauge horizon mentioned by Nocella makes sense. The 50-seaters are essentially placeholders, allowing UA to create the business-oriented schedules and connectivity it needed following years of domestic cuts. The CPAs with Air Wisconsin and CommutAir are relatively short-term, and while renewable, allow a relatively quick draw-down of CRJ/ERJ flying at the company's discretion. The long-term plan seems to be reconfigured 50-seat CR7s (CR5), E-175s (including scope-compliant 70-seaters), and a forthcoming large RJ at mainline, which will allow UA to upgauge in key markets of ORD/EWR/SFO (capacity-constrained) and DEN/IAD/IAH (growth-oriented). LAX will likely be status quo until T9 is built.

cosyr wrote:
Does this mean that November (or October, if someone is taking pictures in Everett) is when we'll see our first widebody in the new livery?


Probably, unless one of the in-service fleet goes into paint this month. I don't know the schedule, but it seems like we'll at least see more 737s, along with our first Airbus and 757, in the new livery by the end of September.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:28 pm

Re: New Livery; does anyone know why UA isn't sending the 14 MAX's to VCV or AMA instead of GYR to get the new paint?
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:32 pm

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Re: New Livery; does anyone know why UA isn't sending the 14 MAX's to VCV or AMA instead of GYR to get the new paint?

Because it’s a waste of money since the paint is brand new.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:54 pm

codc10 wrote:
- AM DEN mega-banks will be reversed in the February. Current westbound arrivals come in around ~0830 and turn for ~0930 departures, while eastbound arrivals are around ~1000 and turn to ~1100 departures. Now, eastbound flights will be arriving earlier, meaning some earlier departures from the West Coast, think closer to 0600 than 0700. On the East Coast, this means more departures around the 0800 hour, about an hour later than now. This was described as a matter of customer preference based on actual experience (West Coast business pax seem to prefer earlier departures).


Glad to see this change. Will help business travelers just going to DEN. Also, DEN departures from a lot of West Coast cities are the last departures for stations until around the 10-11am so if anything happens to that flight, there are few other options for travelers to be reaccomodated on for many hours...and if going to a small station in the East, you might be out of luck getting there that day.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:56 pm

There is a well known expression that would apply well here “there is no such thing as a stupid question”
Would having any UA flights into London Gatwick be beneficial in anyway to anyone?
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