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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:51 pm

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airplanedriver6 wrote:

FYI, it was designed by PriestmanGoode who also has done all of UAL’s other recent branding including the new cabins.

https://www.priestmangoode.com/project/the-new-united-livery/


Gosh! How did I miss that! I never even thought to look as PriestmanGoode is not a branding agency (branding as in identity). They are industrial designers who develop branded interiors) . But- every agency says they do everything! Still, it’s rarely the case that the agency gets the full credit good or bad, it’s the client. The best work I believe I’ve done I credit the client for approving it.
And the story reads as a perfect post rationalization. Which EVERY agency does: everything gets written as “this is what we wanted from the start, methodically planned and came out as planned” - when 9 out of 10 times the recommended work resides on digital files!


I think this is also a good explanation for how the new livery turned out the way it did. Had UA gone back to Lippincott (the designer of the globe and CO identity, as well as new DL, WN, and others), Pentagram (PMUA), or any other classic brand agency, then we probably would have gotten a more inspired result.


It’s became actually quite obvious to me once I found out it was PriestmanGoode. Management had probably formed a solid relationship with them. Management clearly was not in the market for a big change, like Green Cathay to Brush wing, or Etihad to something breakthrough. PG probably was in a great position to do a refresh, they already had a lot of experience working with the great limitations of the CO globe and successfully translated it into a 3D element within their industrial design.
It made little sense to put out an RFP to the more well known branding/identity experts, ALL of whom would have been itching to create a real brand mark for United.
Lippencott is an EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE brand strategy firm that’s modeled after a business consulting firm: baby blue suits yellow ties. Lippencott has an “art department” more than being a design agency. Pentagram and Landor (or Landor once upon a time) was a design agency at its core. Many brand strategy people at Landor struggled as Landor’s DNA was designed, applied scientifically to deliver a brand positioning. After Creatives lost the lead at Landor, many strategy people lusted to change what Walter had created. Pentagram has NEVER lost its way as a high holy land of design. Lippencott sees the actual DESIGN as just a something necessary, they pride themselves in developing the winning business strategy and driving idea behind a corporation. Lippencott does not even attempt to do consumer products. Landor used to have very strong Corporate and Brand Identity (Packaging Design) - they fed off each other’s experience and ideas and design.
I would be curious what Peter Knapp and Claude Saltzberger would think of the new UA. (Claude did the BA Landor livery) Peter did Etihad. Peter LOVES pushing airlines beyond the traditional.

Everything starts with the client: what they brief the agency to do. The client is also last: as David Ogilvy famously said “clients get what they deserve”
When I’m in a Polaris lounge, I personally think it has put United into a league they were never in before. While PG did a beautiful job, however it was UA who “APPROVED” it and spent the money to execute it correctly.UA could have just as easily cut the budget, diluted the concept and design for a Polaris lounge, or UC or Polaris seat and we would not be “FEELING IT” as we do.
One example is: the removal of the PG front bulkhead powerfully branded that cabin. Going from a Polaris 77W to a 787-10, the cabin feels less special. That is one way a financial person can dilute or undercut the longer term game of creating a uniquely branded experience.

It’s also why a current UA 737-800 is like flying on a no-name charter flight to catch a cruise ship.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:32 pm

77W
N2749U B1 BOE769 27NOV
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:32 pm

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United 77W N2749U prior to departing on its B1 flight from PAE

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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:36 am

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77W
N2749U B1 BOE769 27NOV


United 77W N2749U prior to departing on its B1 flight from PAE

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I really like it on the big bird. I know some of you don't, but it's modern and clean. It honestly has more color than a lot of them. I do miss the gold, but I do like this a lot.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:21 pm

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How long will UA keep the 787-10 on transcon’s ?

Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:07 am

This seems like a delightful way to cross the country but I doubt it’s intended to keep this aircraft in this market


Or is it ?
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Re: How long will UA keep the 787-10 on transcon’s ?

Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:09 am

It’s the perfect way. High density aircraft for a competitive New York area to Los Angeles route.
 
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Re: How long will UA keep the 787-10 on transcon’s ?

Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:17 am

I'm waiting for the UA TATL and TPAC route announcements soon. HUB-HUB routes will be up-gauged to B787-10 (FRA MUC LHR). Then the 789's will be free'ed up for route expansion. An example is the 77W going on SFO-SYD. MNL & BKK are rumored out of SFO and a possible launch of WAW (Poland just entered the VISA Waiver Program) or BLR in India out of EWR.
 
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Re: How long will UA keep the 787-10 on transcon’s ?

Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:33 am

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This seems like a delightful way to cross the country but I doubt it’s intended to keep this aircraft in this market


Or is it ?


When ORD officially opens. I think the Europe routes will go -10.
 
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Re: How long will UA keep the 787-10 on transcon’s ?

Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:52 am

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Max Q wrote:
This seems like a delightful way to cross the country but I doubt it’s intended to keep this aircraft in this market


Or is it ?


When ORD officially opens. I think the Europe routes will go -10.

Don’t have to think. FRA/BRU for sure will be on 78X. LHR/ZRH on 76L. Likely MUC/CDG/AMS on 789. FCO for the summer likely 789.
 
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Re: How long will UA keep the 787-10 on transcon’s ?

Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:00 am

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This seems like a delightful way to cross the country but I doubt it’s intended to keep this aircraft in this market


Or is it ?



I can attest it is a delightful way to transcon having done so several times now on the -10. The Polaris while feeling a tad cramped is quite nice overall and once settled in your seat you do feel fairly ensconced and alone, but the aisles are tight! Back of the plane, I'm still "up in the air". I think the old-school 767 and DC10 cabins were my favorite long-haul rides, both always felt rather spacious. But the "lower altitude pressurization" on the 787 is valuable plus. Typically one feels kind of beat up after nearly 6 hours in the air but on the 787, not so much.
 
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Re: How long will UA keep the 787-10 on transcon’s ?

Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:16 am

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I'm waiting for the UA TATL and TPAC route announcements soon. HUB-HUB routes will be up-gauged to B787-10 (FRA MUC LHR). Then the 789's will be free'ed up for route expansion. An example is the 77W going on SFO-SYD. MNL & BKK are rumored out of SFO and a possible launch of WAW (Poland just entered the VISA Waiver Program) or BLR in India out of EWR.

That will be nice seeing IAH-FRA/LHR going 787 10. I hope the announcements include IAH getting some love.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:25 am

772:
N222UA sked to enter HKG 2733/30Nov, Expect Domestic HD conversion (first of 4)
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:21 pm

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789:
N29968 entered XMN 2741/24Nov, could be the STC unit for Polaris/PP


It is. 968 is the STC 787-9 for Polaris.....
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Re: How long will UA keep the 787-10 on transcon’s ?

Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:26 pm

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Don’t have to think. FRA/BRU for sure will be on 78X. LHR/ZRH on 76L. Likely MUC/CDG/AMS on 789. FCO for the summer likely 789.


UA has already announced from ORD routes like PVG, PEK, GRU, and HND will all go 787 in 2020. Although UA has not said which variant will operate these specific routes I'm thinking PVG and PEK will go 789, while HND and GRU will be upguaged to the 78X.

However at the same time UA did announced the 78X (also known as the 78J) will operate these routes next year from ORD and they are FRA, MUC, and BRU.

I think ORD-CDG will remain a on a standard 763 for most of the year but again will be upguaged to a 77E from late May through early September. As you already correctly pointed out LHR and ZRH will remain on the 76L (the premium heavy 763s). The dark horse is FCO as more and more 763s are converted to 76Ls I can see UA perhaps upguaging the route to a 789. However the reason I have reservations about this route being upguaged is because of yields for the past few seasons ticket prices on this route have continued to climb and demand outstrips supply. At one point UA was operating this route with a 77E by both AA and UA, some years back both AA and UA downguaged ORD-FCO to 763s, and ticket prices jumped. AA upguaged the route after they removed all 763s from ORD but UA has kept the 763 on this route even though there is overwhelming demand for a larger jet. If the market can absorb the additional seats without taking yields then I think UA will place a 789 or a 77E on this route. If there is any evidence that suggest yields will take a hit I think UA will leave this route on a standard 763 because ORD-FCO is one of those summer time routes that is just a cash cow for UA and other airlines. I know AA will extend their ORD-FCO season next year, although I haven't heard any thing similar here at UA, I'm hoping UA is at least exploring the idea of extending our ORD-FCO season.
 
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Re: How long will UA keep the 787-10 on transcon’s ?

Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:32 pm

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x1234 wrote:
I'm waiting for the UA TATL and TPAC route announcements soon. HUB-HUB routes will be up-gauged to B787-10 (FRA MUC LHR). Then the 789's will be free'ed up for route expansion. An example is the 77W going on SFO-SYD. MNL & BKK are rumored out of SFO and a possible launch of WAW (Poland just entered the VISA Waiver Program) or BLR in India out of EWR.

That will be nice seeing IAH-FRA/LHR going 787 10. I hope the announcements include IAH getting some love.


Probably not.

IAH is the Latin hub and expansions and upgrades come based on how it fits in there. Because Latin America doesn’t produce the fare premiums that Europe does, well be later in line. IAH has a lot of premium O&D, but they are loyal to UA regardless of product.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:40 pm

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772:
N222UA sked to enter HKG 2733/30Nov, Expect Domestic HD conversion (first of 4)


Same configuration as the other domestic 772?
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:24 am

Assume same, but it sure would be nice to have the Diamond seats left over from 777s re purposed. However, I think there would be seat loss.

738:
N73283 sked to eit AMA paint 2690/30Nov in EvoBlu livery

772:

N78004 sked to exit HKG maint 2735/1Dec
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:33 pm

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calpsafltskeds wrote:
772:
N222UA sked to enter HKG 2733/30Nov, Expect Domestic HD conversion (first of 4)


Same configuration as the other domestic 772?


I believe they will have 4 more lie flat seats up front for a total of 32 seats. There’s a new configuration loaded in our manuals with 32/330 rather than 28/336
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:05 pm

txflyguy94 wrote:
codc10 wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
772:
N222UA sked to enter HKG 2733/30Nov, Expect Domestic HD conversion (first of 4)


Same configuration as the other domestic 772?


I believe they will have 4 more lie flat seats up front for a total of 32 seats. There’s a new configuration loaded in our manuals with 32/330 rather than 28/336

I am guessing that that means 4 more backward facing middle J seats, slide back the galley into the first row of Y, taking out 1 outer seat from each side of the first row of Y. That would be +4 J and -6 Y. Obviously I can dream that it somehow has something to do with Diamond seats, but I don't see easy math working out to 32 of those seats between doors 1 and 2, without an extra row in the middle section, lavs moving back to Y and less galley space. Unlikely.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:34 pm

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txflyguy94 wrote:
codc10 wrote:

Same configuration as the other domestic 772?


I believe they will have 4 more lie flat seats up front for a total of 32 seats. There’s a new configuration loaded in our manuals with 32/330 rather than 28/336

I am guessing that that means 4 more backward facing middle J seats, slide back the galley into the first row of Y, taking out 1 outer seat from each side of the first row of Y. That would be +4 J and -6 Y. Obviously I can dream that it somehow has something to do with Diamond seats, but I don't see easy math working out to 32 of those seats between doors 1 and 2, without an extra row in the middle section, lavs moving back to Y and less galley space. Unlikely.


Actually it’s 2 sets of 2, on the AB/KL sides, and one section of the galley at door 2 has been removed, and the lavatories have been moved to behind door 2 rather than in front. Still the IPTE seats, not the diamond.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:39 pm

txflyguy94 wrote:
cosyr wrote:
txflyguy94 wrote:

I believe they will have 4 more lie flat seats up front for a total of 32 seats. There’s a new configuration loaded in our manuals with 32/330 rather than 28/336

I am guessing that that means 4 more backward facing middle J seats, slide back the galley into the first row of Y, taking out 1 outer seat from each side of the first row of Y. That would be +4 J and -6 Y. Obviously I can dream that it somehow has something to do with Diamond seats, but I don't see easy math working out to 32 of those seats between doors 1 and 2, without an extra row in the middle section, lavs moving back to Y and less galley space. Unlikely.


Actually it’s 2 sets of 2, on the AB/KL sides, and one section of the galley at door 2 has been removed, and the lavatories have been moved to behind door 2 rather than in front. Still the IPTE seats, not the diamond.


Any word on if the rest of the HD fleet will receive the mod to increase J to 32 seats?
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:39 pm

What about AVOD?


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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:18 pm

UA 2736 01 Dec 19 SFO-HKG Is N77019 next for Polaris?
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:45 pm

txflyguy94 wrote:
cosyr wrote:
txflyguy94 wrote:

I believe they will have 4 more lie flat seats up front for a total of 32 seats. There’s a new configuration loaded in our manuals with 32/330 rather than 28/336

I am guessing that that means 4 more backward facing middle J seats, slide back the galley into the first row of Y, taking out 1 outer seat from each side of the first row of Y. That would be +4 J and -6 Y. Obviously I can dream that it somehow has something to do with Diamond seats, but I don't see easy math working out to 32 of those seats between doors 1 and 2, without an extra row in the middle section, lavs moving back to Y and less galley space. Unlikely.


Actually it’s 2 sets of 2, on the AB/KL sides, and one section of the galley at door 2 has been removed, and the lavatories have been moved to behind door 2 rather than in front. Still the IPTE seats, not the diamond.

Do you have a map that you can put up? It doesn't seem like there's enough room just moving a lav for another row of lieflat seats. If they're only adding seats to the sides, why do they need to remove half of the galley in the middle?
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 12:13 am

So from what's being discussed, it looks like UA is keeping the lavs as is from the ITPE units. I would guess they will also leave the lav at seats 52/53AB that exists on the ITPE config. Is the space where a lav and closet is present on the 772A config used for crew rest on the ITPE, even though the info I show has no crew rest mods on these 4 units?

So, maybe the divider at Door 1, if there is one, will be removed and seats moved forward so seats 5AB/KL can be added where the lav is on 772A aircraft. IMHO 5AB/KL do not look like great seats as a galley traffic will be right beside those seats. I'm guessing seats 17ABC/JKL are gone for the existing lav on ITPE units and probably a couple of rows of E+ turned into Y on the window side to only lose one row of window triples. Seat pitch from 35/31 to 34/30 in E+/Y?

If the galley loss in the center section is the aft one, it could allow 4 E+ seats (15DEFG)? That would change the total count from 28F/102E+/234Y = total 364 to 32F/88E+/ 244Y = 364 total (assume 52AB lost to retain lav that exists on ITPE units).

I doubt UA would move lavs on the 19 772A aircraft to make the seating exact. If they wanted the exact same config it would make more sense to move lavs on the 4 772ERs. If a galley can be removed on these aircraft, then maybe the forward center alley on the 772A becomes 4DEFG to get the 4 F seats. That might be coupled with removing 16DEFG to move the aft galley back a bit. In that case the total seating would be equal give or take a few E+/Y seats.

Otherwise, who can post a map?
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:28 am

Any 739s in New livery? If not, does anyone know when they will be/who’s currently getting painted?
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Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:59 am

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Any 739s in New livery? If not, does anyone know when they will be/who’s currently getting painted?


So far three A319, three A320, nine 738, two 763. Plus numerous UaX of various types.
In the next few months there will be 11 new 77W and 789/78J deliveries as well.
 
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Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:28 pm

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Delta350 wrote:
Any 739s in New livery? If not, does anyone know when they will be/who’s currently getting painted?


So far three A319, three A320, nine 738, two 763. Plus numerous UaX of various types.
In the next few months there will be 11 new 77W and 789/78J deliveries as well.

Oh ok.Do you know the regs of the narrow-bodies?
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United Fleet Site. Three tabs on bottom for NB, WB, Express. All tail numbers with Green Completed.
https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfle ... n-progress
 
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Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:34 pm

738:
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:47 pm

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United Fleet Site. Three tabs on bottom for NB, WB, Express. All tail numbers with Green Completed.
https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfle ... n-progress



calpsafltskeds. Are you the person that keeps these pages updated? If so thanks great work. Second not a big issue but seems the Polaris total seat counts are off for
all fleets except the 767's. The PE seat counts are spot on. Again thanks for all the hard work.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:50 pm

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LGeneReese wrote:
Delta350 wrote:
Any 739s in New livery? If not, does anyone know when they will be/who’s currently getting painted?


So far three A319, three A320, nine 738, two 763. Plus numerous UaX of various types.
In the next few months there will be 11 new 77W and 789/78J deliveries as well.

Oh ok.Do you know the regs of the narrow-bodies?

Yes I do...
Look at the link in reply #3030 if you wish to know them too.. :duck:
 
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Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:05 pm

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United Fleet Site. Three tabs on bottom for NB, WB, Express. All tail numbers with Green Completed.
https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfle ... n-progress

Thank you
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:14 pm

I know that the 764’s are last in line for refurbishment. (I believe UA has 14? Or 16? I get confused between UA & DL as the fleet size is almost the same) - what surprises me though is that for such a small fleet type, the 764 pops up on SO MANY routes!
So my question is, once they get Polaris/PE where will they used? I don’t know if they are to big, but they would be nice transcontinental birds and a big upgrade in quality of hard product over the 752’s (even the fixed up 752’s which are a bit nicer and less worn out than before) but given the very rapid growth of Manhattan’s west side and the NJ side of the Hudson with a new skyscraper going up on a near monthly basis, I figure that UA will ultimately need to add the seats going to California and the privacy of Polaris (especially the LA/NYC route. When ps first launched from JFK, there was always a celebrity on board. Phylis Diller once went to the back and told jokes!)
But with 11 more large new aircraft coming in the next 5 months PLUS all the current 787-8/9 and 772 and 77W‘s already in service, UA is feeling awfully big (except for the lack of NB’s)

Will UA EVER do anything about the 738 interiors and F seats? Or just fly them as is until retirement?
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:23 pm

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I know that the 764’s are last in line for refurbishment. (I believe UA has 14? Or 16? I get confused between UA & DL as the fleet size is almost the same) - what surprises me though is that for such a small fleet type, the 764 pops up on SO MANY routes!
So my question is, once they get Polaris/PE where will they used? I don’t know if they are to big, but they would be nice transcontinental birds and a big upgrade in quality of hard product over the 752’s (even the fixed up 752’s which are a bit nicer and less worn out than before) but given the very rapid growth of Manhattan’s west side and the NJ side of the Hudson with a new skyscraper going up on a near monthly basis, I figure that UA will ultimately need to add the seats going to California and the privacy of Polaris (especially the LA/NYC route. When ps first launched from JFK, there was always a celebrity on board. Phylis Diller once went to the back and told jokes!)
But with 11 more large new aircraft coming in the next 5 months PLUS all the current 787-8/9 and 772 and 77W‘s already in service, UA is feeling awfully big (except for the lack of NB’s)

Will UA EVER do anything about the 738 interiors and F seats? Or just fly them as is until retirement?


The 764s are a great transatlantic platform, with operating costs similar to a 763 plus additional seats, and they appear to show up on a lot of routes because (aside from deep South America) a single airplane can support a daily service to Europe plus a hub turn.

The 764s have a fair amount of life left, so UA is pushing their mods out another year or two beyond the 763s, as the former should outlast most of the latter in service.

As far as the 738s, some are due to receive new interiors, with pivot bins for those ships that don't have them. My guess is the 50-60 frames delivered from 2004-onwards. The earlier 75 or so frames from 1998-2002 are approaching retirement.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:54 pm

Quickly taking stock on used aircraft deliveries (and future ones):

319:
N883UA / B-6206 - Appears to have exited service with China Southern
B-6021 - Appears to have completed a test flight on 1-Dec. Unknown if it was just in for maintenance and will return to service with China Southern or was prep for imminent transfer to UA.

Is there any information available on when the ex-Shaheen and Bulgarian Eagle A319s will enter service? Most of them have been sitting in GYR for ~1 year now.

320:
N4912U / EC-LQZ (future Vueling delivery) has exited service and is now stored at OSR with two of the other 320s coming from Vueling. Only EC-LQN remains in service at this time.

73G:
N28767 / N7719A - Back in service for Southwest. Looks to have just been in VCV for maintenance.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:07 pm

GmoneyCO wrote:
Quickly taking stock on used aircraft deliveries (and future ones):

319:
N883UA / B-6206 - Appears to have exited service with China Southern
B-6021 - Appears to have completed a test flight on 1-Dec. Unknown if it was just in for maintenance and will return to service with China Southern or was prep for imminent transfer to UA.

Is there any information available on when the ex-Shaheen and Bulgarian Eagle A319s will enter service? Most of them have been sitting in GYR for ~1 year now.

320:
N4912U / EC-LQZ (future Vueling delivery) has exited service and is now stored at OSR with two of the other 320s coming from Vueling. Only EC-LQN remains in service at this time.

73G:
N28767 / N7719A - Back in service for Southwest. Looks to have just been in VCV for maintenance.


They are out of space to conduct the heavy maintenance required for conversion/induction, so it's going to take some time. Also, not all the Vueling birds will enter service, some are to be parted out.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:53 pm

TrafficCop wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
United Fleet Site. Three tabs on bottom for NB, WB, Express. All tail numbers with Green Completed.
https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfle ... n-progress



calpsafltskeds. Are you the person that keeps these pages updated? If so thanks great work. Second not a big issue but seems the Polaris total seat counts are off for
all fleets except the 767's. The PE seat counts are spot on. Again thanks for all the hard work.

Thanks for pointing that out. I was multiplying the wrong cells by the numbers of aircraft completed.
Pretty sure they are correct now and there were errors in most including PP, which could have looked OK as maybe the seat count in the cell matched that in the other aircraft as most PP sections are three rows.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:25 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
TrafficCop wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
United Fleet Site. Three tabs on bottom for NB, WB, Express. All tail numbers with Green Completed.
https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfle ... n-progress



calpsafltskeds. Are you the person that keeps these pages updated? If so thanks great work. Second not a big issue but seems the Polaris total seat counts are off for
all fleets except the 767's. The PE seat counts are spot on. Again thanks for all the hard work.

Thanks for pointing that out. I was multiplying the wrong cells by the numbers of aircraft completed.
Pretty sure they are correct now and there were errors in most including PP, which could have looked OK as maybe the seat count in the cell matched that in the other aircraft as most PP sections are three rows.


No problem. Really like these pages. The Polaris and PE are really starting to pile up. Again thanks for all the hard work!
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:15 pm

I flew UA 819 on `12/21 and then UA 818 on 12/30. Both on 777 but they were distinctly different? The 819 was absolutely uncomfortable. The 818 had different, more comfortable economy seats and the IFE was also different and superior. Do they have completely different 777 interiors flying around?
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:32 pm

maverick4002 wrote:
I flew UA 819 on `12/21 and then UA 818 on 12/30. Both on 777 but they were distinctly different? The 819 was absolutely uncomfortable. The 818 had different, more comfortable economy seats and the IFE was also different and superior. Do they have completely different 777 interiors flying around?


Assume you mean 11/21 and 11/30... 11/21 was N76021 (old configuration) and 11/30 was N79011, new configuration. Interesting observation re:economy class as the new configuration adds one seat per row with correspondingly narrower seats, armrests and aisles.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:37 pm

codc10 wrote:
maverick4002 wrote:
I flew UA 819 on `12/21 and then UA 818 on 12/30. Both on 777 but they were distinctly different? The 819 was absolutely uncomfortable. The 818 had different, more comfortable economy seats and the IFE was also different and superior. Do they have completely different 777 interiors flying around?


Assume you mean 11/21 and 11/30... 11/21 was N76021 (old configuration) and 11/30 was N79011, new configuration. Interesting observation re:economy class as the new configuration adds one seat per row with correspondingly narrower seats, armrests and aisles.


Yes that was the dates I meant. I noticed the seat comfort difference immediately when I sat down. Im not wide anyway so I guess the narrower seats didnt affect me. But yes, the difference was marked.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:34 am

codc10 wrote:
VC10er wrote:
I know that the 764’s are last in line for refurbishment. (I believe UA has 14? Or 16? I get confused between UA & DL as the fleet size is almost the same) - what surprises me though is that for such a small fleet type, the 764 pops up on SO MANY routes!
So my question is, once they get Polaris/PE where will they used? I don’t know if they are to big, but they would be nice transcontinental birds and a big upgrade in quality of hard product over the 752’s (even the fixed up 752’s which are a bit nicer and less worn out than before) but given the very rapid growth of Manhattan’s west side and the NJ side of the Hudson with a new skyscraper going up on a near monthly basis, I figure that UA will ultimately need to add the seats going to California and the privacy of Polaris (especially the LA/NYC route. When ps first launched from JFK, there was always a celebrity on board. Phylis Diller once went to the back and told jokes!)
But with 11 more large new aircraft coming in the next 5 months PLUS all the current 787-8/9 and 772 and 77W‘s already in service, UA is feeling awfully big (except for the lack of NB’s)

Will UA EVER do anything about the 738 interiors and F seats? Or just fly them as is until retirement?


The 764s are a great transatlantic platform, with operating costs similar to a 763 plus additional seats, and they appear to show up on a lot of routes because (aside from deep South America) a single airplane can support a daily service to Europe plus a hub turn.

The 764s have a fair amount of life left, so UA is pushing their mods out another year or two beyond the 763s, as the former should outlast most of the latter in service.

As far as the 738s, some are due to receive new interiors, with pivot bins for those ships that don't have them. My guess is the 50-60 frames delivered from 2004-onwards. The earlier 75 or so frames from 1998-2002 are approaching retirement.


Thanks! Yes, many, many European cities have the 764. I know they were delivered around 2000, but inside they do not have a competitive hard product. I know that some high premium routes like Zurich, Geneva will get a refurbished 763, but it seems to me that from a European perspective that UA has a shot at improving their image and reputation. I know Germans who used to hate having to fly UA vs LH have said that with Polaris they no longer dread UA. It makes sense given a 764 is a good size bird, and UA only needs 1 frame per city, that they would have wanted to refurb the 764’s sooner- not later. Unless some of those European cities might get 789’s?

As for the 738 (and 739) both need the new F seat (although the 738 much more. Those F seats are truly dreadful) the 739’s may have a different F seat but they are not so bad. But both have the old and very drab looking interiors. There is nothing about them that’s branded or new looking. The refurbished used A319’s are really very nice inside.

I have a silly question: when an A319 is taken by UA I assume she flown from China to the USA empty- how many stops must she make to refuel and where?
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:33 am

UAX Update:

CR5:
N170GJ exited paint, In MLB for interior mod
N547GJ enters revenue service with GoJet 3Dec
N604QX has new livery and has been reregistered as N503GJ. Enters revenue service with GoJet 3Dec

CR2:
N223JS entered revenue service with Skywest in new livery
N409AW back in service with Air Wisconsin
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:04 am

VC10er wrote:
codc10 wrote:
VC10er wrote:
I know that the 764’s are last in line for refurbishment. (I believe UA has 14? Or 16? I get confused between UA & DL as the fleet size is almost the same) - what surprises me though is that for such a small fleet type, the 764 pops up on SO MANY routes!
So my question is, once they get Polaris/PE where will they used? I don’t know if they are to big, but they would be nice transcontinental birds and a big upgrade in quality of hard product over the 752’s (even the fixed up 752’s which are a bit nicer and less worn out than before) but given the very rapid growth of Manhattan’s west side and the NJ side of the Hudson with a new skyscraper going up on a near monthly basis, I figure that UA will ultimately need to add the seats going to California and the privacy of Polaris (especially the LA/NYC route. When ps first launched from JFK, there was always a celebrity on board. Phylis Diller once went to the back and told jokes!)
But with 11 more large new aircraft coming in the next 5 months PLUS all the current 787-8/9 and 772 and 77W‘s already in service, UA is feeling awfully big (except for the lack of NB’s)

Will UA EVER do anything about the 738 interiors and F seats? Or just fly them as is until retirement?


The 764s are a great transatlantic platform, with operating costs similar to a 763 plus additional seats, and they appear to show up on a lot of routes because (aside from deep South America) a single airplane can support a daily service to Europe plus a hub turn.

The 764s have a fair amount of life left, so UA is pushing their mods out another year or two beyond the 763s, as the former should outlast most of the latter in service.

As far as the 738s, some are due to receive new interiors, with pivot bins for those ships that don't have them. My guess is the 50-60 frames delivered from 2004-onwards. The earlier 75 or so frames from 1998-2002 are approaching retirement.


Thanks! Yes, many, many European cities have the 764. I know they were delivered around 2000, but inside they do not have a competitive hard product. I know that some high premium routes like Zurich, Geneva will get a refurbished 763, but it seems to me that from a European perspective that UA has a shot at improving their image and reputation. I know Germans who used to hate having to fly UA vs LH have said that with Polaris they no longer dread UA. It makes sense given a 764 is a good size bird, and UA only needs 1 frame per city, that they would have wanted to refurb the 764’s sooner- not later. Unless some of those European cities might get 789’s?

As for the 738 (and 739) both need the new F seat (although the 738 much more. Those F seats are truly dreadful) the 739’s may have a different F seat but they are not so bad. But both have the old and very drab looking interiors. There is nothing about them that’s branded or new looking. The refurbished used A319’s are really very nice inside.

I have a silly question: when an A319 is taken by UA I assume she flown from China to the USA empty- how many stops must she make to refuel and where?


For the 319/320s coming from China, they go to China -> NRT -> ANC -> DEN or ORD -> AMA (paint) and then enter revenue service. Previously the induction modification was done at LCQ which meant a stop there before AMA. now that work is done at XMN in China.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:09 pm

VC10er wrote:
Thanks! Yes, many, many European cities have the 764. I know they were delivered around 2000, but inside they do not have a competitive hard product. I know that some high premium routes like Zurich, Geneva will get a refurbished 763, but it seems to me that from a European perspective that UA has a shot at improving their image and reputation. I know Germans who used to hate having to fly UA vs LH have said that with Polaris they no longer dread UA. It makes sense given a 764 is a good size bird, and UA only needs 1 frame per city, that they would have wanted to refurb the 764’s sooner- not later. Unless some of those European cities might get 789’s?

As for the 738 (and 739) both need the new F seat (although the 738 much more. Those F seats are truly dreadful) the 739’s may have a different F seat but they are not so bad. But both have the old and very drab looking interiors. There is nothing about them that’s branded or new looking. The refurbished used A319’s are really very nice inside.


United has to have a ROI (return on investment) on these aircraft interiors. As someone else stated the 764s will still be in the fleet after many of the 763s are retired, it then makes perfect sense to start with the 763s. Also what you may not know is for many of the 763s (especially the older models) the installation of Polaris also coincided with heavy maintenance work. This is also applies to the 764 fleet some of those aircraft will be due for heavy maintenance starting next year and that maintenance will take place while the aircraft is out of service for Polaris/PE. Lets use the 788/9 fleets as another example, many people wondered why UA didn't start with that fleet type? The two main reasons are seats are expensive and UA needed a ROI on those diamond seats on those 788/9s because those seats could not be repurposed and placed on another fleet type also UA is performing scheduled maintenance on the 788/9 fleets while they are out of service for Polaris/PE. If UA were to follow the publics suggestion UA would be waisting money. Combining both the Polaris/PE schedule and the heavy maintenance schedule is the most efficient way to get through this process. Just look at the PW (sUA) 77Es, except for the 4 frames that will be joining the HD domestic fleet UA by the end of this year will have removed all IPTE seats from the sUA 77E international fleet. Also the first 77E that will be joining the HD fleet was flown to HKG a few days ago to begin its modification. This reconfiguration was completed quickly, especially when you take into account UA had to stop the process when they rolled out our PE seats and had to send the first 8 sUA frames back to XMN to install PE seats.

As far as the 738 and 739 fleets UA will get to those fleets but right now we have multiple 763s, 77Es, 752s, A319s, a 788 and soon the first 789 all out of service for some type of cabin modification and refreshment, also the MAX fleet still grounded. In addition to planes out of service for cabin mods and a grounded MAX fleet, we also have a number of planes out of service for paint. What people have to keep in mind is UA still has an airline to run and we operate thousands of flights daily. To maintain the flight schedule it means UA can't do every thing all at once. Don't take what I'm saying the wrong way because you are correct some of the 738s and 739s interiors (first class seats) are in bad shape. UA will get around to refreshing those fleet types it is just going to take time.

UA is pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into the fleet to improve the interiors and in so doing improve our passengers experience however it is going to take time to refresh a fleet with over 770 aircraft.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:10 am

320:
N412UA sked to exit AMA paint 2733/3Dec in EvoBlu livery
N487UA sked to enter AMA paint 2732/3Dec for EvoBlu livery

764:
N76054 entered HKG 2745/22Nov, maint only
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:17 am

Regarding the soon to be delivered N2749U.

Does anyone know the SELCAL code for this bird?
Asking for a friend who is making a repaint for the PMDG B777-300ER simulation in Prepar3D.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:14 pm

Hi just thought I'll let you guys know that N674UA has been painted in the new livery its currently at LHR taxing to 27R for its flight off to IAD

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