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Re: UA daily EWR-GRU service now with 77W

Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:52 am

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AVENSAB727 wrote:
I hope the 77W makes its way down to IAH soon, I thought IAH-GRU would get this first.


IAH-GRU would probably get upgauged from a 763 to a 772 before making the huge jump up to a 77W...


EWR-GRU was recently upgauged to 77W
IAH-GRU was recently upgauged to 772
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:40 am

What happens when the HD772’s wear out? Obviously UA requires a good number of large people movers.
I cannot see (but maybe) UA buying a new aircraft to replace them. A 76J would seem like an expensive option.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:55 am

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Nicknuzzii wrote:
How many 78X’s does UA have on order? I’m seeing both 14 and 25.

14 are officially confirmed and will all deliver ‘20. The additional 11 are, as I understand it, unconfirmed at this time, but are ‘definitely’ coming starting ‘24. I will humbly defer to anyone with more knowledge on the matter.


I forgot about this unconfirmed rumor, but it would further add to the wisdom of moving the A350's to 2027. For sure some 77A's will be retiring in that time-frame. Perhaps, these 78J's will replace them?
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:18 am

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With so much happening over the past few days I almost for got that today December 05, 2019 is the inaugural flight for UA104 SFO-DEL.


Really excited for this. I heard it went out 100% full. Can you confirm? How are future loads?
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:55 pm

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intotheair wrote:
PMUA placed an order for 25 A350-900s and 25 787-8s in December 2009. Delivery of the two types set for "between 2016 and 2019." A350s were intended to replace 747s, and 787s were set to replace 767s. 777s were new enough that replacement wasn't being talked about.

https://www.cnbc.com/id/34325447

I tried to find another news writeup that more explicitly stated this, but my reading of that order was that it was a way for Glenn Tilton to signal to CO that UA's balance sheet was finally strong enough that it had the ability to buy its own planes again and not exclusively rely on a merger partner for new planes. Before that order, CO called off merger talks because of PMUA's relatively weak financial health in 2008.

25 frames each for delivery slots so far out from both manufacturers always felt like a placeholder. Keep in mind that the executive team that placed that order was out within less than a year. CO's 787s were already coming online long before PMUA's 787s were, so by the time they were on the property, it was easy to start taking the PMUA deliveries.

Then, the Smisek-led UA upped the order to 35 A350-1000s in June 2013. Delivery set to begin in 2018.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/todayint ... y/2440665/

The order was then increased in September 2017 to 45 A350-900s with delivery from 2022-2027. Note that there was another leadership change: Oscar and Scott were at the helm by this point, and as we all know, UA is now a different airline than it was under Jeff Smisek or Glenn Tilton. This was also the first time UA said that the A350 would be a 777 replacement.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-airb ... SKCN1BH1P8

Now, the same team has pushed it out to 2027 and beyond. But if we're being honest, that's honestly the right time to start talking about 777 retirements. By 2027, the oldest 777 will be 32 years old. 2022 always seemed a little too soon to start retiring 777s. To me, that makes a lot more sense than anything else.

I also think there probably was some truth to Rolls Royce being the holdup in UA trying to cancel these.


I don't get the logic. If they're getting rid of all of the same-aged 752's by 2024, shouldn't we expect at least some of the 777-200's and ER's to go before 2027?



The 752 have more cycles than the 772s. The age of the plane matters but so does the number of cycles. 772s will here for a while, and we'll start saying our goodbyes to the 752 once the A321xlr show up.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:58 pm

airboss787 wrote:
jayunited wrote:
With so much happening over the past few days I almost for got that today December 05, 2019 is the inaugural flight for UA104 SFO-DEL.


Really excited for this. I heard it went out 100% full. Can you confirm? How are future loads?


I was looking at the SFO-del flights for tonight and tomorrow, and they are looking to leave at like 95% capacity. few upgrades for Polaris which is normal.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:10 pm

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78J
Suspect N12010 B2 is to PDX for paint.

Deliveries order
N12010
N14011
N29975
N13013
N24976
N29977
N29978
N13014
N24979
N24980
All out of CHS

77W
N2749U C1 on 4DEC... Assuming it passed inspection delivery can’t be too far away
78J
N12010 scheduled B2 CHSFTW today for paint ... I thought PDX, point off.
N14011 already painted at CHS... so could be delivered first?
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N878UA scheduled XMNNRTANCORD 7DEC..
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:12 pm

Just saw the new livery in person for the first time while flying home through ORD. Something I wasn't expecting was how much better the new blue looks compared to the old blue- it's so bright and pops really nicely especially at a grey and wintry Chicago.

Does anyone have any pictures of the first and apparently so far only CRJ-200 in the new scheme? Really curious to see how it looks on the smallest UAX aircraft.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:46 pm

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Why do people keep referring to PS service. That died many years ago.

Because it is still a distinct product, but they didn't give it an obvious new name. It's just easier, and everyone knows what you're referring to.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:50 pm

UA daily EWR-GRU service now operating with the 77W since Dec, 4th.

Now AA and LA have a same size competitor for NY area services to GRU.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:35 pm

319: Fleet Addition
N878UA, Ex CZ B-2294 sked to exit XMN Induction 2694/7Dec, after a few stops, expect AMA paint.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:39 pm

airboss787 wrote:
jayunited wrote:
With so much happening over the past few days I almost for got that today December 05, 2019 is the inaugural flight for UA104 SFO-DEL.


Really excited for this. I heard it went out 100% full. Can you confirm? How are future loads?


Full including 9 non-revs. Tonight there’s only 2 open seats
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:40 pm

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jayunited wrote:
With so much happening over the past few days I almost for got that today December 05, 2019 is the inaugural flight for UA104 SFO-DEL.


Which means only 10 days from EWR-CPT!!!!


Really pumped for that service to start.

Still surprised how little fanfare has been given to UA strating EWR-CPT. Maybe on the day it'll be more.

Very excited to take it in Feb.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:00 pm

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Thanks! Yes, many, many European cities have the 764. I know they were delivered around 2000, but inside they do not have a competitive hard product. I know that some high premium routes like Zurich, Geneva will get a refurbished 763, but it seems to me that from a European perspective that UA has a shot at improving their image and reputation. I know Germans who used to hate having to fly UA vs LH have said that with Polaris they no longer dread UA. It makes sense given a 764 is a good size bird, and UA only needs 1 frame per city, that they would have wanted to refurb the 764’s sooner- not later. Unless some of those European cities might get 789’s?

As for the 738 (and 739) both need the new F seat (although the 738 much more. Those F seats are truly dreadful) the 739’s may have a different F seat but they are not so bad. But both have the old and very drab looking interiors. There is nothing about them that’s branded or new looking. The refurbished used A319’s are really very nice inside.


United has to have a ROI (return on investment) on these aircraft interiors. As someone else stated the 764s will still be in the fleet after many of the 763s are retired, it then makes perfect sense to start with the 763s. Also what you may not know is for many of the 763s (especially the older models) the installation of Polaris also coincided with heavy maintenance work. This is also applies to the 764 fleet some of those aircraft will be due for heavy maintenance starting next year and that maintenance will take place while the aircraft is out of service for Polaris/PE. Lets use the 788/9 fleets as another example, many people wondered why UA didn't start with that fleet type? The two main reasons are seats are expensive and UA needed a ROI on those diamond seats on those 788/9s because those seats could not be repurposed and placed on another fleet type also UA is performing scheduled maintenance on the 788/9 fleets while they are out of service for Polaris/PE. If UA were to follow the publics suggestion UA would be waisting money. Combining both the Polaris/PE schedule and the heavy maintenance schedule is the most efficient way to get through this process. Just look at the PW (sUA) 77Es, except for the 4 frames that will be joining the HD domestic fleet UA by the end of this year will have removed all IPTE seats from the sUA 77E international fleet. Also the first 77E that will be joining the HD fleet was flown to HKG a few days ago to begin its modification. This reconfiguration was completed quickly, especially when you take into account UA had to stop the process when they rolled out our PE seats and had to send the first 8 sUA frames back to XMN to install PE seats.

As far as the 738 and 739 fleets UA will get to those fleets but right now we have multiple 763s, 77Es, 752s, A319s, a 788 and soon the first 789 all out of service for some type of cabin modification and refreshment, also the MAX fleet still grounded. In addition to planes out of service for cabin mods and a grounded MAX fleet, we also have a number of planes out of service for paint. What people have to keep in mind is UA still has an airline to run and we operate thousands of flights daily. To maintain the flight schedule it means UA can't do every thing all at once. Don't take what I'm saying the wrong way because you are correct some of the 738s and 739s interiors (first class seats) are in bad shape. UA will get around to refreshing those fleet types it is just going to take time.

UA is pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into the fleet to improve the interiors and in so doing improve our passengers experience however it is going to take time to refresh a fleet with over 770 aircraft.


Thanks Jayunited,
I actually do realize the ENORMOUS undertaking United has begun a few years ago. The “To Do” list must be the size of War & Peace! Each one is expensive. Tonight I passed through EWR after a flight from Miami. I noticed all the restrooms in the concourse I walked down we closed for renovation. That was fabulous to see because I remember TC many, many years ago after it was finically opened. CO did make it much better than TA & TB, but EWR was just not an attractive airport since the ribbon cutting- it looked 1973 in 1973! It felt like a bad community college (but, that was the ‘70’s!) TODAY I think (IMHO) is one of the most pleasant airline terminals around. It’s easy, attractive and filled with great restaurants, beautiful gate seating areas, but the restrooms looked like the one part that was scratched off the “To Do” list. There are some beautifully renovated restrooms before security- so I was so happy to see UA realizing that they too must be made beautiful.

I was on a 739 flying up. She really is not so bad looking. New at least even if not well branded, somewhat inconsistent. The service was flawless! Ironically when I flew down it was the first E175 I have ever seen EWR/MIA. It was super comfortable in F. I asked if they had any “stroopwaffles” and the FA gave me 5!!!

Then I land tonight, turn on my iPhone only to see 50 A321XLR orders! Wow, Oscar means business! That took me by TOTAL SURPRISE. I am astonished at how United is investing in their brand- and really proud of them.

Thanks for the rationale above: this is why I love aviation, the enormous complexity and planning to get a once poorly regarded (not by me) airline to the best 4.3 Star in the world!

I still want the Continental comb back in the Amenity kit!

Cheers, and I hope TG was awesome,
Richard


I was born in the 1980s and flew CO out of EWR and begged my parents to fly other airlines because the experience sucked so much (for the most part.) C-3 wasn't opened yet, flights were always delayed or on ATR's, planes always run down or broken. I don't think it was until around 2000 as to when I flew on a new 738 on EWR-MCO for the first time, and that was delayed until 2am because of the weather. The last straw were the long security lines and drop off of running into other PAX on the "newish" yet narrow walkway between C-1 and C-3. Sorry not sorry, Terminal C absolutely sucks and I even prefer the convenience of Terminal B these days.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:40 pm

77X:
Ok I was mistaken on N12010 and confused it with N14011.
At CHS today - n12010 now in FTW for painting of everything except tail. N14011 fully painted at Boeing CHS. Look great.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:08 pm

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The HD 772As probably won't make it to 2027 (I still expect them to be replaced by higher density 764s backfilled by 789s on long haul routes) but the 77Es will generally have lower cycles than comparably aged 757s. Even if the CO 757s have spent 15 years mostly on TATL flights, that is still more cycles than routes like BOM/DEL/HKG/SYD that the 777s have been used on.


I don't think a higher density 764 will replace the HD 772s. In my opinion UA has already shown their hand by announcing their intentions to add 4 77Es to the HD fleet. A high density 764 can't replace a 364 seat HD 772 and UA on our hub to hub and Hawaii routes. Not only does the HD fleet move a lot of passengers those aircraft move a tremendous amount of freight between our hubs. Both above and below wing UA would loose a lot of capacity replacing the HD fleet with a high density 764.I believe newer aircraft like the 789 and 78X will for the most part be reglated to international routes and only be used on hub to hub routes for routing purposed. However as the 77As age and are retired I fully expect UA to replace those aircraft with an aircraft that can offer similar capacity which is the 77Es.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:25 pm

Today December 06, 2020 is an aircraft delivery day. UA will take delivery of tail number N2749U, the aircraft will ferry PAE-SFO as UA2706 scheduled departure time 12:00 p.m. Pacific Standard Time.

Later this month another 77W and 2 78Xs will join the fleet as well.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:32 pm

Just saw a B763 depart DEN for ORD. UA336.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:20 pm

So far it seems SFO-DEL is a success and fully booked yesterday. BOM in India has the most corporate demand and they should launch SFO-BOM too as the 77W on EWR-BOM seems a winner.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:25 pm

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So far it seems SFO-DEL is a success and fully booked yesterday. BOM in India has the most corporate demand and they should launch SFO-BOM too as the 77W on EWR-BOM seems a winner.


With SFO-DEL scheduled flight time coming in at just over 15 hours, I'm going to assume SFO-BOM scheduled flight time would be closer to 17 hours.

SFO-BOM registers at 7305 nautical miles, the 789s max range is 7530 miles the question then becomes can UA's 789 fly SFO-BOM year around profitably?

I know UA's 789s can handle a 7300+ nautical mile flight but on our flights to India out of EWR a lot of times the captains like to have a flight plan that shows them landing with at least 25,000 - 30,000 pounds of fuel remaining in the tank whereas flights like IAH-SYD and SFO-SIN have around 17,000 - 20,000 pounds of fuel remaining. From some documentation that I've seen the extra fuel on our India flights really gives our captains a lot more options, comfort and piece of mind if they need to divert the aircraft for any number of reasons that could come up.

So when I say can UA's 789s fly SFO-BOM profitably we have to keep in mind the additional fuel UA puts on our India flights on top of what is required for a normal ETOPS flight.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:42 pm

jayunited, that explanation makes sense as I bet UA doesn't want to divert to Afghanistan, Pakistan or Russia/Kazakhstan/Uzbekistan (in order of worst to best). Going back to SFO they can easily divert to CTU, PVG & NRT/HND. IAH-SYD and SFO-SIN flies through mostly stable countries so they can have less fuel (MNL, SGN, KUL, HAN, HKG, NRT/HND for SIN and AKL, PPT, SJD, MTY, SAT for SYD).
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 07, 2019 1:30 am

jayunited wrote:
x1234 wrote:
So far it seems SFO-DEL is a success and fully booked yesterday. BOM in India has the most corporate demand and they should launch SFO-BOM too as the 77W on EWR-BOM seems a winner.


With SFO-DEL scheduled flight time coming in at just over 15 hours, I'm going to assume SFO-BOM scheduled flight time would be closer to 17 hours.

SFO-BOM registers at 7305 nautical miles, the 789s max range is 7530 miles the question then becomes can UA's 789 fly SFO-BOM year around profitably?

I know UA's 789s can handle a 7300+ nautical mile flight but on our flights to India out of EWR a lot of times the captains like to have a flight plan that shows them landing with at least 25,000 - 30,000 pounds of fuel remaining in the tank whereas flights like IAH-SYD and SFO-SIN have around 17,000 - 20,000 pounds of fuel remaining. From some documentation that I've seen the extra fuel on our India flights really gives our captains a lot more options, comfort and piece of mind if they need to divert the aircraft for any number of reasons that could come up.

So when I say can UA's 789s fly SFO-BOM profitably we have to keep in mind the additional fuel UA puts on our India flights on top of what is required for a normal ETOPS flight.


The 25-30K in fuel for the 777 is because it burns more gas. 20K in a 787 is 2hrs. Which is a ton I try not to land with that much gas unless I’m tankering. I usually land in SIN with 14-15.

Also keep in mind SFO-India is polar so winds will rarely be a factor.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 07, 2019 2:08 pm

Very little news coverage for United's new Delhi service.

@United tweeted about the new service after it landed at New Delhi, @DelhiAirport tweeted 12+ hours after it left Delhi, and nothing so far from @flySFO. SM teams working bankers hours!!!
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 07, 2019 2:21 pm

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The 25-30K in fuel for the 777 is because it burns more gas. 20K in a 787 is 2hrs. Which is a ton I try not to land with that much gas unless I’m tankering. I usually land in SIN with 14-15.

Also keep in mind SFO-India is polar so winds will rarely be a factor.


I think you misread what I actually posted so I'll try again. Going through all the international flights UA operates on 777s and on 789s on a given day, the only routes where they plan to have 25,000 - 30,000 pounds of fuel remaining in the tanks are our India flights. In fact the launch SFO-DEL was planned to land with 25,000 remaining in the tanks however they actually landed with 21,000. I specifically stated flights like SFO-SIN are planned to land with a lower fuel ranging between 17,000 - 20,000. Of course you as a pilot do have the right to reduce the fuel if you believe that is to much and it does happen on some international routes. However on flights to India rarely if ever does the captain reduce the fuel because having 25,000 - 30,000 pounds of planned (contingency) fuel remaining instead of 17,000 - 20,000 gives them a lot options should the need arise and they need to divert the aircraft. Flying to SIN you don't have to worry about diverting to Iran, Afghanistan, pilots flying to India do have those concerns and UA is concerned about it as well. The extra or additional contingency fuel may be the difference between a captain landing in a country whose government is on friendly terms with the U.S. Government and landing in a country whose government has a rocky or none existent relationship with the U.S. Government. Government relations may not be at the forefront of our captains minds but if a dispatcher released a India flight and was only planning 17,000 pounds of extra or contingency fuel remaining the captain would request more fuel.

When there was all the political unrest between India and Pakistan and UA had suspended EWR-DEL but was still operating EWR-BOM our dispatchers were planning the EWR-BOM leg with an additional 35,000 - 38,000 pounds of extra or contingency fuel. And if that meant revenue passengers had to be held off UA held off revenue passengers and rerouted them through FRA.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:16 am

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319: Fleet Addition
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Currently enroute ANCORD as UA2695. May spend the day at ORD for a Mx inspection before moving onward to AMA for EvoBlu-ing.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:24 am

I'm currently flying back to SFO from ORD and noticed that my plane came from SAT.

UA2749
02:40 departure from SAT and arriving in ORD at 05:16. Plane only had 6 passengers.....was this a reposition flight?
 
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Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:33 pm

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I'm currently flying back to SFO from ORD and noticed that my plane came from SAT.

UA2749
02:40 departure from SAT and arriving in ORD at 05:16. Plane only had 6 passengers.....was this a reposition flight?


Yes. Re-position not a revenue flight. Believe in for some type of maintenance.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:45 pm

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CriticalPoint wrote:
The 25-30K in fuel for the 777 is because it burns more gas. 20K in a 787 is 2hrs. Which is a ton I try not to land with that much gas unless I’m tankering. I usually land in SIN with 14-15.

Also keep in mind SFO-India is polar so winds will rarely be a factor.


I think you misread what I actually posted so I'll try again. Going through all the international flights UA operates on 777s and on 789s on a given day, the only routes where they plan to have 25,000 - 30,000 pounds of fuel remaining in the tanks are our India flights. In fact the launch SFO-DEL was planned to land with 25,000 remaining in the tanks however they actually landed with 21,000. I specifically stated flights like SFO-SIN are planned to land with a lower fuel ranging between 17,000 - 20,000. Of course you as a pilot do have the right to reduce the fuel if you believe that is to much and it does happen on some international routes. However on flights to India rarely if ever does the captain reduce the fuel because having 25,000 - 30,000 pounds of planned (contingency) fuel remaining instead of 17,000 - 20,000 gives them a lot options should the need arise and they need to divert the aircraft. Flying to SIN you don't have to worry about diverting to Iran, Afghanistan, pilots flying to India do have those concerns and UA is concerned about it as well. The extra or additional contingency fuel may be the difference between a captain landing in a country whose government is on friendly terms with the U.S. Government and landing in a country whose government has a rocky or none existent relationship with the U.S. Government. Government relations may not be at the forefront of our captains minds but if a dispatcher released a India flight and was only planning 17,000 pounds of extra or contingency fuel remaining the captain would request more fuel.

When there was all the political unrest between India and Pakistan and UA had suspended EWR-DEL but was still operating EWR-BOM our dispatchers were planning the EWR-BOM leg with an additional 35,000 - 38,000 pounds of extra or contingency fuel. And if that meant revenue passengers had to be held off UA held off revenue passengers and rerouted them through FRA.


We suspended BOM too.

And for 757-300 Nose #0851 just completed a Heavy C4 Check.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:15 pm

snuggs28 wrote:
jayunited wrote:
When there was all the political unrest between India and Pakistan and UA had suspended EWR-DEL but was still operating EWR-BOM our dispatchers were planning the EWR-BOM leg with an additional 35,000 - 38,000 pounds of extra or contingency fuel. And if that meant revenue passengers had to be held off UA held off revenue passengers and rerouted them through FRA.


We suspended BOM too.


He's referring to the interim period, when DEL was suspended, but BOM had not yet been. Yes, later both were, but they didn't start at the same time.
 
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Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:57 pm

jayunited wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
The HD 772As probably won't make it to 2027 (I still expect them to be replaced by higher density 764s backfilled by 789s on long haul routes) but the 77Es will generally have lower cycles than comparably aged 757s. Even if the CO 757s have spent 15 years mostly on TATL flights, that is still more cycles than routes like BOM/DEL/HKG/SYD that the 777s have been used on.


I don't think a higher density 764 will replace the HD 772s. In my opinion UA has already shown their hand by announcing their intentions to add 4 77Es to the HD fleet. A high density 764 can't replace a 364 seat HD 772 and UA on our hub to hub and Hawaii routes. Not only does the HD fleet move a lot of passengers those aircraft move a tremendous amount of freight between our hubs. Both above and below wing UA would loose a lot of capacity replacing the HD fleet with a high density 764.I believe newer aircraft like the 789 and 78X will for the most part be reglated to international routes and only be used on hub to hub routes for routing purposed. However as the 77As age and are retired I fully expect UA to replace those aircraft with an aircraft that can offer similar capacity which is the 77Es.


It could be a combination of 764s and 77Es, the 764 could replace the 753s. I know UA stated that their A321XLR order does not replace their 753s. But how long does UA want to operate the 753s once they retire the 752s? The 764 can do some things the 777 cannot, for instance DL used to operate 764s into LGA when they were still in domestic configurations. UA has been using 753s into LGA from DEN from time to time, they could use the 764.

Also for a time CO was operating nonstop 764s from IAH-OGG.

They could replace the 19 772s and 21 753s with 16 764s and 20 77Es.


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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:58 pm

For what its worth the 753s are all 2001 to 2004 vintage (on par with the 764 fleet 2000-2002) - the youngest 752 was produced in 2000 - I'm pretty sure pilots also fly the 767 so the 753 wouldn't be a pilot sub-fleet when 752s are retired. They probably have more cycles than some 752RR aircraft, however.

Except for maintenance, 753s could work with 764 and 772A units on hub-to-hub services up to 2030. Assume the 763 retire first, then 764 and 753 might retire sometime after 2025, probably at the same time.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:33 pm

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We suspended BOM too.


Yes I am aware BOM was suspended. But are you aware that DEL was suspended in March while EWR-BOM continued to operate until late June?
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:48 pm

jayunited, have you heard of any new destinations overseas for UA (TPAC or TATL)? I would like to see UA serve MNL & BKK in the Pacific and WAW in Europe.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:21 pm

TrafficCop wrote:
xxcr wrote:
I'm currently flying back to SFO from ORD and noticed that my plane came from SAT.

UA2749
02:40 departure from SAT and arriving in ORD at 05:16. Plane only had 6 passengers.....was this a reposition flight?


Yes. Re-position not a revenue flight. Believe in for some type of maintenance.


Didn't know UA had a maintenance base in SAT. That would be brutal if this was a commercial flight......
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:24 pm

x1234 wrote:
jayunited, have you heard of any new destinations overseas for UA (TPAC or TATL)? I would like to see UA serve MNL & BKK in the Pacific and WAW in Europe.


Those are all low yielding ethnic leisure destinations. Would be hard to imagine those being served by a US carrier.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:47 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
x1234 wrote:
jayunited, have you heard of any new destinations overseas for UA (TPAC or TATL)? I would like to see UA serve MNL & BKK in the Pacific and WAW in Europe.


Those are all low yielding ethnic leisure destinations. Would be hard to imagine those being served by a US carrier.


There was a rumor thread recently about MNL. I could see it happening. There are many call centers and other business process outsourcing in MNL used by American companies. Many Americans and Filipinos refuse to fly PAL too. If anyone could do it, it’s UA out of SFO.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:08 pm

xxcr wrote:
I'm currently flying back to SFO from ORD and noticed that my plane came from SAT.

UA2749
02:40 departure from SAT and arriving in ORD at 05:16. Plane only had 6 passengers.....was this a reposition flight?


No passengers. The seats on the seat map are probably blocked off by default.

No F/As, just 2 pilots on board.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:53 pm

SFOtoORD wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
x1234 wrote:
jayunited, have you heard of any new destinations overseas for UA (TPAC or TATL)? I would like to see UA serve MNL & BKK in the Pacific and WAW in Europe.


Those are all low yielding ethnic leisure destinations. Would be hard to imagine those being served by a US carrier.


There was a rumor thread recently about MNL. I could see it happening. There are many call centers and other business process outsourcing in MNL used by American companies. Many Americans and Filipinos refuse to fly PAL too. If anyone could do it, it’s UA out of SFO.


The long-standing perceptions of business dealings in MNL by both foreign carriers as well as passengers will continue to be a challenge. I know many Filipinos who will also go to great lengths to avoid transiting through MNL no matter what carrier they are flying.

If UA is indeed looking at a nonstop U.S.-Philippines route, I wonder where they’d actually end up flying to. While they probably can’t ignore the critical mass of MNL, UA has also been known to pursue more leisure-oriented destinations as well. I’m not sure a place like CEB would qualify in the same sense that CPT and PPT have, although the BPO/call-center outsourcing industry there has been on the rise recently that could help round out the passenger mix.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:06 pm

UAX Update:

CR5:
N603QX entered AMA for new livery

E145XR:
N11187 exited AMA in new livery

E175SC:
N623UX has been delivered to ExpressJet
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:09 pm

UAinAUS wrote:
UAX Update:

CR5:
N603QX entered AMA for new livery

E145XR:
N11187 exited AMA in new livery

E175SC:
N623UX has been delivered to ExpressJet


I wonder when OO and AX will start repainting? Surely their schedules have some slack by now.

I find it odd that UA allows AX to operate so many of the "HK" birds in the AX livery instead of UAX. It looks incredibly tacky and cheap.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:35 am

x1234 wrote:
jayunited, have you heard of any new destinations overseas for UA (TPAC or TATL)? I would like to see UA serve MNL & BKK in the Pacific and WAW in Europe.


UA has already announced our new international destinations for spring and summer 2020, I don't think we will see another announcement cover that time frame. So far there has official for the fall/winter 2020/2021 season. There are always rumors at Willis, there were rumors UA this year would announce new routes to Indai from EWR so far that rumor has proven false. The rumor about an SFO-MNL nonstop was resurrected late this year based on a dispute UA had/has with PAL. Perhaps we will see a SFO-MNL nonstop once the 788s are reconfigured with a only 28 business class seats, however I don't see UA returning to BKK any time soon.

Personally what I would like to see announced for the fall/winter 2020/2021 season is as follows:
IAD-TLV increased to daily
DEN-FRA increased to daily
SFO-MEL increased to daily (for IATA winter)
ORD/IAD-DUB and ORD/IAD-FCO seasons extended till mid December.
Seasonal DEN-AKL 3x weekly from November 1, 2020 though March 15, 2021.
Seasonal SFO-BNE 3x weekly from November 1, 2020 through March 15, 2021
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:55 am

jayunited wrote:
VC10er wrote:
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Just look at the PW (sUA) 77Es, except for the 4 frames that will be joining the HD domestic fleet UA by the end of this year will have removed all IPTE seats from the sUA 77E international fleet. Also the first 77E that will be joining the HD fleet was flown to HKG a few days ago to begin its modification. This reconfiguration was completed quickly, especially when you take into account UA had to stop the process when they rolled out our PE seats and had to send the first 8 sUA frames back to XMN to install PE seats.

.


So the 77E HD conversion has begun!
Will 77As be retired as these 4 77Es come online?
Will the 77E HD be assigned to Guam or will they rotate all over?
Is there any info on the J seating for the 77E HDs?

Thanks in advance
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:56 am

With the inauguration of SFO-DEL United can legitimately claim to have resumed round the world service
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:18 am

jayunited wrote:
x1234 wrote:

Personally what I would like to see announced for the fall/winter 2020/2021 season is as follows:
IAD-TLV increased to daily
DEN-FRA increased to daily
SFO-MEL increased to daily (for IATA winter)
ORD/IAD-DUB and ORD/IAD-FCO seasons extended till mid December.
Seasonal DEN-AKL 3x weekly from November 1, 2020 though March 15, 2021.
Seasonal SFO-BNE 3x weekly from November 1, 2020 through March 15, 2021


Really sensible guesses IMHO. I can see many of these happening.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:49 am

jayunited wrote:
x1234 wrote:
jayunited, have you heard of any new destinations overseas for UA (TPAC or TATL)? I would like to see UA serve MNL & BKK in the Pacific and WAW in Europe.


UA has already announced our new international destinations for spring and summer 2020, I don't think we will see another announcement cover that time frame. So far there has official for the fall/winter 2020/2021 season. There are always rumors at Willis, there were rumors UA this year would announce new routes to Indai from EWR so far that rumor has proven false. The rumor about an SFO-MNL nonstop was resurrected late this year based on a dispute UA had/has with PAL. Perhaps we will see a SFO-MNL nonstop once the 788s are reconfigured with a only 28 business class seats, however I don't see UA returning to BKK any time soon.

Personally what I would like to see announced for the fall/winter 2020/2021 season is as follows:
IAD-TLV increased to daily
DEN-FRA increased to daily
SFO-MEL increased to daily (for IATA winter)
ORD/IAD-DUB and ORD/IAD-FCO seasons extended till mid December.
Seasonal DEN-AKL 3x weekly from November 1, 2020 though March 15, 2021.
Seasonal SFO-BNE 3x weekly from November 1, 2020 through March 15, 2021

Those would be good adds, I would like to see seasonal IAH-CDG then year-round BRU or ZRH
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:03 pm

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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:56 pm

The fleet updates, fleet status, and repaint status posts at the start of this thread have been updated.

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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:09 pm

Max Q wrote:
With the inauguration of SFO-DEL United can legitimately claim to have resumed round the world service


yes indeed! you can get from SFO-SFO in 3 flights haha. SFO-DEL-EWR-SFO
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:16 pm

AVENSAB727 wrote:
jayunited wrote:
x1234 wrote:
jayunited, have you heard of any new destinations overseas for UA (TPAC or TATL)? I would like to see UA serve MNL & BKK in the Pacific and WAW in Europe.


UA has already announced our new international destinations for spring and summer 2020, I don't think we will see another announcement cover that time frame. So far there has official for the fall/winter 2020/2021 season. There are always rumors at Willis, there were rumors UA this year would announce new routes to Indai from EWR so far that rumor has proven false. The rumor about an SFO-MNL nonstop was resurrected late this year based on a dispute UA had/has with PAL. Perhaps we will see a SFO-MNL nonstop once the 788s are reconfigured with a only 28 business class seats, however I don't see UA returning to BKK any time soon.

Personally what I would like to see announced for the fall/winter 2020/2021 season is as follows:
IAD-TLV increased to daily
DEN-FRA increased to daily
SFO-MEL increased to daily (for IATA winter)
ORD/IAD-DUB and ORD/IAD-FCO seasons extended till mid December.
Seasonal DEN-AKL 3x weekly from November 1, 2020 though March 15, 2021.
Seasonal SFO-BNE 3x weekly from November 1, 2020 through March 15, 2021

Those would be good adds, I would like to see seasonal IAH-CDG then year-round BRU or ZRH


We won’t. I don’t think UA will expand IAH internationally unless it involves Latin America.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:31 pm

xxcr wrote:
Max Q wrote:
With the inauguration of SFO-DEL United can legitimately claim to have resumed round the world service


yes indeed! you can get from SFO-SFO in 3 flights haha. SFO-DEL-EWR-SFO

Technically that’s not “around“ the world, but it’s as close as we are going to get ... :bigthumbsup:
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