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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:00 am

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-13dec19/

Seasonal IAD-LIS/EDI have been removed.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:07 am

UA also added IAD-BGR/MSN today. Both 2x daily with BGR being two CRJ-200s and MSN being an E-145 and a CRJ-700.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:31 am

Ishrion wrote:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/288149/united-s20-long-haul-service-changes-as-of-13dec19/

Seasonal IAD-LIS/EDI have been removed.


Never mind, it's been added back.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:19 am

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UA also added IAD-BGR/MSN today. Both 2x daily with BGR being two CRJ-200s and MSN being an E-145 and a CRJ-700.


Wow. MSN is going to be served from every hub but IAH.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:04 pm

IDK if this was updated, planned fleet...

787-9 -36 Total
787-10 -25 Total

And the 767-400s are planned to start their Polaris MOD in 2020....
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:37 pm

4878 -New Livery Paint including Wings AMA approx ETR 12-18

2822 -Hi Density Cabin Mod STC Station-HKG ETR approx 02-04

6671 -HI-J POLARIS approx ETR approx 12-23

6456 -11 day Paint Visit approx ETR approx 12-17

0908 -Polaris Suite Installation STC ETR approx 12-27

0968 -Polaris Suite Installation STC ETR approx 1-09

0017 -Polaris ETR approx 12-31

0018 -Polaris ETR approx 1-12

0019 -MX
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:57 pm

319:
N843UA entered SFO 1549/13Dec, probably for 12F config

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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:18 pm

0107 -Slimline Mod ETR approx 12-17
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:23 pm

CALTECH wrote:
IDK if this was updated, planned fleet...

787-9 -36 Total
787-10 -25 Total

And the 767-400s are planned to start their Polaris MOD in 2020....


Where did you see these updated numbers?
 
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Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:23 pm

4030 -F/C seat MOD SMB ETR approx 12-14
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:27 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
N292UX wrote:
UA also added IAD-BGR/MSN today. Both 2x daily with BGR being two CRJ-200s and MSN being an E-145 and a CRJ-700.


Wow. MSN is going to be served from every hub but IAH.

I also feel like IAH-MSN is a route that may be launched eventually soon. Sort of surprised it hasn't been launched yet.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:14 pm

CALTECH wrote:
IDK if this was updated, planned fleet...

787-9 -36 Total
787-10 -25 Total

And the 767-400s are planned to start their Polaris MOD in 2020....

789- the next 8 (Ships 0975-0982) are to deliver by end of 1Q ‘20... haven’t seen info on remaining three yet.
78J- the additional 11 (1015-1025) haven’t been announced as ordered yet... delivery, to my knowledge, won’t start til ‘24.
788- depending on how the 767 replacement plan sorts out... who knows :roll:
Ship #s 0914-949 are open.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:51 pm

One request, can we PLEASE do separate network and fleet threads for United next year! This thread has been a disaster of 80 different topics being discussed at the same time!
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:56 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
319:
N843UA entered SFO 1549/13Dec, probably for 12F config

752:
N58101 exited MIA 2759/13Dec in new 16F/42E+/118Y configuration - 2nd complete


787-9.....Mfg Ser #.....Line #
0983 ....66140 ..........1038
0984 .....66143 ..........1044
0985 .....66144 ..........1048

787-10...........N Number.
1015 .............N17015
1016 .............N14016
1017 .............N17017
1018 .............N13018
1019 .............N14019
1020 .............N12020
1021 .............N12021
1022 .............N17022
1023 .............N14023
1024 .............N12024
1025 .............N12025
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:33 pm

joeljack wrote:
One request, can we PLEASE do separate network and fleet threads for United next year! This thread has been a disaster of 80 different topics being discussed at the same time!


I personally prefer combined. I think it’s silly there is a separate repaint thread when it’s duplicative.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:57 pm

joeljack wrote:
One request, can we PLEASE do separate network and fleet threads for United next year! This thread has been a disaster of 80 different topics being discussed at the same time!

We will. We only combined them because there was already a huge amount of duplication/off topic discussion with two separate threads. It's less for us to moderate when it's more of a free-flowing United discussion.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:03 pm

atcsundevil wrote:
joeljack wrote:
One request, can we PLEASE do separate network and fleet threads for United next year! This thread has been a disaster of 80 different topics being discussed at the same time!

We will. We only combined them because there was already a huge amount of duplication/off topic discussion with two separate threads. It's less for us to moderate when it's more of a free-flowing United discussion.


Awesome, that is great news! :). I really only follow the network thread stuff and sifting through everything else was cumbersome! Thank you!! :)
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:20 pm

SFOtoORD wrote:
joeljack wrote:
One request, can we PLEASE do separate network and fleet threads for United next year! This thread has been a disaster of 80 different topics being discussed at the same time!


I personally prefer combined. I think it’s silly there is a separate repaint thread when it’s duplicative.


I prefer combined too
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:21 pm

I actually like the combined thread because there was always so much overlap before when they were separate. It’s a similar thing going on right now with the repaint thread, which I think probably shouldn’t exist.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:24 pm

Does anyone know when N2749U will make its first flight, now that its been delivered? Seems to have been sitting at SFO for a few days now.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:33 pm

intotheair wrote:
I actually like the combined thread because there was always so much overlap before when they were separate. It’s a similar thing going on right now with the repaint thread, which I think probably shouldn’t exist.


Agreed. Combined is so much better than two or three separate threads with the largely the same content.


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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:06 pm

jayunited wrote:
Previously announced
ORD-PVG 787 service will begin in mid- May
ORD-PEK 787 service will begin in mid-June
ORD-GRU and ORD-HND 787 service will begin sometime in the fall.


Is there any chance that the 78X would operate on ORD-HND? I believe that it reasonably has the range to cover it, and going from 276 seats (on the 77E) to 257 seats (on the Polaris 789) is quite the downgauge.
 
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Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:42 pm

 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:33 am

jayunited wrote:
x1234 wrote:
jayunited, have you heard of any new destinations overseas for UA (TPAC or TATL)? I would like to see UA serve MNL & BKK in the Pacific and WAW in Europe.


UA has already announced our new international destinations for spring and summer 2020, I don't think we will see another announcement cover that time frame. So far there has official for the fall/winter 2020/2021 season. There are always rumors at Willis, there were rumors UA this year would announce new routes to Indai from EWR so far that rumor has proven false. The rumor about an SFO-MNL nonstop was resurrected late this year based on a dispute UA had/has with PAL. Perhaps we will see a SFO-MNL nonstop once the 788s are reconfigured with a only 28 business class seats, however I don't see UA returning to BKK any time soon.

Personally what I would like to see announced for the fall/winter 2020/2021 season is as follows:
IAD-TLV increased to daily
DEN-FRA increased to daily
SFO-MEL increased to daily (for IATA winter)
ORD/IAD-DUB and ORD/IAD-FCO seasons extended till mid December.
Seasonal DEN-AKL 3x weekly from November 1, 2020 though March 15, 2021.
Seasonal SFO-BNE 3x weekly from November 1, 2020 through March 15, 2021



The latest adjustment includes the introduction of Boeing 787 service from Chicago O’Hare.
Chicago O’Hare – Brussels eff 28MAR20 787-10 replaces 777-200ER, 1 daily
Chicago O’Hare – Munich eff 28MAR20 787-9 replaces 777-200ER, 1 daily

Does this announcement of 787's from ORD mean UA will announce opening of ORD-TLV in 2020? Plus LY is starting flights 3x weekly in March at ORD
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:28 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
SFOtoORD wrote:
joeljack wrote:
One request, can we PLEASE do separate network and fleet threads for United next year! This thread has been a disaster of 80 different topics being discussed at the same time!


I personally prefer combined. I think it’s silly there is a separate repaint thread when it’s duplicative.


I prefer combined too


Fleet and network are interdependent. Combined makes a lot of sense. It works well if you can’t read every a.net thread every day.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:01 am

777222LR wrote:
Does anyone know when N2749U will make its first flight, now that its been delivered? Seems to have been sitting at SFO for a few days now.

All new UA aircraft undergo ‘Induction’ after delivery. This lasts 10-14 days (give or take). I don’t know exactly what all is done, but it includes inspections, installation of software and additional equipment and other gizzwizzes. I’m sure most of whatever is done Boeing could do pre-delivery, but UA prefers to do the final stuff in-house.... probably at a much cheaper cost as well.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:02 pm

Today EWR-CPT service begins.

Barring any last minute plane changes it looks like N24973 will have the pleasure of flying the inaugural flights EWR-CPT-EWR. While it is still to early to know the actual flight time the estimated flight time for EWR-CPT is showing in UA's system at 13 hours 57 minutes, the return flight CPT-EWR is showing an estimated flight time of 15 hours 25 minutes.

I'm seeing 1 open seat in business class and 10 open seats in coach with 51 nonrevs listed in SHARES.
Good luck to the nonrevs its not looking good for most of them. :worried: :shakehead:
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:36 pm

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VC10er wrote:
jayunited wrote:

United has to have a ROI (return on investment) on these aircraft interiors. As someone else stated the 764s will still be in the fleet after many of the 763s are retired, it then makes perfect sense to start with the 763s. Also what you may not know is for many of the 763s (especially the older models) the installation of Polaris also coincided with heavy maintenance work. This is also applies to the 764 fleet some of those aircraft will be due for heavy maintenance starting next year and that maintenance will take place while the aircraft is out of service for Polaris/PE. Lets use the 788/9 fleets as another example, many people wondered why UA didn't start with that fleet type? The two main reasons are seats are expensive and UA needed a ROI on those diamond seats on those 788/9s because those seats could not be repurposed and placed on another fleet type also UA is performing scheduled maintenance on the 788/9 fleets while they are out of service for Polaris/PE. If UA were to follow the publics suggestion UA would be waisting money. Combining both the Polaris/PE schedule and the heavy maintenance schedule is the most efficient way to get through this process. Just look at the PW (sUA) 77Es, except for the 4 frames that will be joining the HD domestic fleet UA by the end of this year will have removed all IPTE seats from the sUA 77E international fleet. Also the first 77E that will be joining the HD fleet was flown to HKG a few days ago to begin its modification. This reconfiguration was completed quickly, especially when you take into account UA had to stop the process when they rolled out our PE seats and had to send the first 8 sUA frames back to XMN to install PE seats.

As far as the 738 and 739 fleets UA will get to those fleets but right now we have multiple 763s, 77Es, 752s, A319s, a 788 and soon the first 789 all out of service for some type of cabin modification and refreshment, also the MAX fleet still grounded. In addition to planes out of service for cabin mods and a grounded MAX fleet, we also have a number of planes out of service for paint. What people have to keep in mind is UA still has an airline to run and we operate thousands of flights daily. To maintain the flight schedule it means UA can't do every thing all at once. Don't take what I'm saying the wrong way because you are correct some of the 738s and 739s interiors (first class seats) are in bad shape. UA will get around to refreshing those fleet types it is just going to take time.

UA is pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into the fleet to improve the interiors and in so doing improve our passengers experience however it is going to take time to refresh a fleet with over 770 aircraft.


Thanks Jayunited,
I actually do realize the ENORMOUS undertaking United has begun a few years ago. The “To Do” list must be the size of War & Peace! Each one is expensive. Tonight I passed through EWR after a flight from Miami. I noticed all the restrooms in the concourse I walked down we closed for renovation. That was fabulous to see because I remember TC many, many years ago after it was finically opened. CO did make it much better than TA & TB, but EWR was just not an attractive airport since the ribbon cutting- it looked 1973 in 1973! It felt like a bad community college (but, that was the ‘70’s!) TODAY I think (IMHO) is one of the most pleasant airline terminals around. It’s easy, attractive and filled with great restaurants, beautiful gate seating areas, but the restrooms looked like the one part that was scratched off the “To Do” list. There are some beautifully renovated restrooms before security- so I was so happy to see UA realizing that they too must be made beautiful.

I was on a 739 flying up. She really is not so bad looking. New at least even if not well branded, somewhat inconsistent. The service was flawless! Ironically when I flew down it was the first E175 I have ever seen EWR/MIA. It was super comfortable in F. I asked if they had any “stroopwaffles” and the FA gave me 5!!!

Then I land tonight, turn on my iPhone only to see 50 A321XLR orders! Wow, Oscar means business! That took me by TOTAL SURPRISE. I am astonished at how United is investing in their brand- and really proud of them.

Thanks for the rationale above: this is why I love aviation, the enormous complexity and planning to get a once poorly regarded (not by me) airline to the best 4.3 Star in the world!

I still want the Continental comb back in the Amenity kit!

Cheers, and I hope TG was awesome,
Richard


I was born in the 1980s and flew CO out of EWR and begged my parents to fly other airlines because the experience sucked so much (for the most part.) C-3 wasn't opened yet, flights were always delayed or on ATR's, planes always run down or broken. I don't think it was until around 2000 as to when I flew on a new 738 on EWR-MCO for the first time, and that was delayed until 2am because of the weather. The last straw were the long security lines and drop off of running into other PAX on the "newish" yet narrow walkway between C-1 and C-3. Sorry not sorry, Terminal C absolutely sucks and I even prefer the convenience of Terminal B these days.


??? Terminal C at EWR sucks? How so? Today TC is one of the best “large and old” renovated Terminals in the USA. Obviously brand NEW airports are often better. Compared to the old days, it’s attractive enough upon entering, and a breeze today to go from check-in, through a massively improved security area, once past security it’s easy to get to your gate. It’s a very large terminal, so there might be a long walk “if” you’re gate is at the furthest tip of a concourse and can be very crowded, otherwise it is very convenient and is FINALLY attractive given it’s huge renovation (but the architecture is what it is) given United had a lemon designed 40+ years ago, however over the past few years UA has made amazing lemonade! The retail is well selected, the restaurants are very good, the Polaris lounge is huge and gorgeous, the new gate areas are really nice and comfortable with bespoke designed seating, the overall atmosphere is cheery compared to its original state. The last couple of things that needed fixing are underway: all NEW bathrooms (the new design for the bathrooms are really beautiful (some are open already) and they are modern and attractive and don’t look like a bus terminal bathroom anymore! United is building an enormous new United Club on the roof on top of Concourse C, which is rumored to be awesome with floor to ceiling windows overlooking the apron and runways, once that opens, there are plans to truly renovate the United Club upstairs on concourse 1.
So, having to often use old, renovated and extended (over and over) terminals around the USA and some international airports TC is very convenient and attractive enough. Having just deplaned at LHR (Queen’s Terminal) this past Thursday, and have used multiple times, while it is really beautifully designed its a very, very long walk to gates or bag claim.
I hope I live long enough to see it, but NYC Metro area airports are being leveled and rebuilt, brand new terminals coming - but like most major cities, airport infrastructures are being pushed to their limits and I believe regardless of all the “new” it won’t be enough 50 years from now! Not with the massive growth of super tall apartment and office towers in and around Manhattan going up at an unbelievable rate!
I am born and raised in NYC, and in just my lifetime NYC has changed radically- never before has there been so much growth in Manhattan, Brooklyn and NJ!
And United had a very small footprint in NYC just 20 years ago, now post merger and with the bumps over with, its remarkable how powerful they have become in NYC!
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:01 pm

scairbus wrote:
intotheair wrote:
I actually like the combined thread because there was always so much overlap before when they were separate. It’s a similar thing going on right now with the repaint thread, which I think probably shouldn’t exist.


Agreed. Combined is so much better than two or three separate threads with the largely the same content.


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As we go into the new year, I wish moderators could do a poll about which most people prefer. This was supposed to be an experiment this year, and I don't like it, but if genuinely the majority of people do, then fine.

A couple quick points though. 1) If fleet and routes are too similar to be two separate topics, how does a separate paint thread exist, seeing as not only is that related to fleet updates, but is already tracked and discussed on this thread. And 2) When topics run together, discussions get too spread out to follow. I was very annoid trying to read about the Project Sunrise announcement this week, only to find the thread was actually a renamed from the discussion about rumors from months ago. Because it was big news and hotly discussed, by the time I got there, the first page was discussion from 3 months before the announcement, and I couldn't find the beginning of the discussion since the announcement. If it had been a new thread with just a link to the old discussion, I would have just started at page one.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:35 pm

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RyanairGuru wrote:
The HD 772As probably won't make it to 2027 (I still expect them to be replaced by higher density 764s backfilled by 789s on long haul routes) but the 77Es will generally have lower cycles than comparably aged 757s. Even if the CO 757s have spent 15 years mostly on TATL flights, that is still more cycles than routes like BOM/DEL/HKG/SYD that the 777s have been used on.


I don't think a higher density 764 will replace the HD 772s. In my opinion UA has already shown their hand by announcing their intentions to add 4 77Es to the HD fleet. A high density 764 can't replace a 364 seat HD 772 and UA on our hub to hub and Hawaii routes. Not only does the HD fleet move a lot of passengers those aircraft move a tremendous amount of freight between our hubs. Both above and below wing UA would loose a lot of capacity replacing the HD fleet with a high density 764.I believe newer aircraft like the 789 and 78X will for the most part be reglated to international routes and only be used on hub to hub routes for routing purposed. However as the 77As age and are retired I fully expect UA to replace those aircraft with an aircraft that can offer similar capacity which is the 77Es.


Ok, so I totally get that a HD764 is not a suitable replacement for the HD772’s. But in about 7 years when those HD772’s, what similarly sized aircraft will UA have to choose from considering passenger count and freight? I would presume that this current fleet of HD772’s make UA a lot of money (I will make a big assumption that these 772’s are paid off) so despite fuel burn, she carries a lot! It seems to me that buying new aircraft of similar capacity would not be an inexpensive airplane? A 787-10? And while I don’t think it would ever come to be, an A330? Unless there are used 772’s around that still have a enough life left in them? I am assuming that Boeing doesn’t build a pax 772 anymore?

If UNITED’s stated brand dreams come true, all the aircraft refurbished and costumer satisfaction reaches Oscar’s goals, and UA becomes the airline people WANT to fly, United will vastly grow their total annual passenger count by a significant percentage. UA’s stock is already growing rapidly.

I don’t know if you have any data to support my next statement, if you did, I’d love to read it: “TO ME” it just “feels” like the United bashing and complaining has tapered off a lot. Today on United’s social media platforms such as Instagram, etc, the vast majority of passenger comments are very positive, and with just a few trolls. A few years ago United would post a pretty picture and all the comments under the post started with “The WORST” and ended with “I will never fly United again, and I telling all my friends!”

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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:32 pm

Prefer combined threads. It's not that hard to just scroll through instead of many who would need to monitor multiple threads. I guess the paint thread is interesting for now as it goes into more details on each fleet type's first completed paint job, but once the program is well underway, the combined thread makes more sense to me.

319:
N843UA sked to exit SFO 780/17Dec with 12F configuration - 32 of 70 complete, approaching 50%.

772:
N77006 entered HKG 179/13Dec, possible Polaris/PP if 3 in mod - anyone have a clue? CALTECH?
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:53 pm

The ps 752 fleet is being coverted from the gogo inflight internet to ViaSat KA satellite based internet. ViaSat KA will offer travelers on ps flights increased bandwidth. As these aircraft do not typically travel outside of the lower 48, the change in coverage areas will not have an impact on travelers.

The following aircraft have been received the upgrade
N587UA
N588UA
N589UA
N590UA
N597UA

In other news....

320:
N2910U - UA took delivery of the aircraft from Vueling on 6-Dec. I do not see any ferry flights out of OSR scheduled.

753:
N57852 - Listed as having KU band wifi, currently has the Thales KA band system limited to the lower 48
N75853 - Listed as having KU band wifi, almost certainly has the Thales KA band system but is in for maint so cannot confirm
N57855 - Listed as having KU band wifi, currently has the Thales KA band system limited to the lower 48
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 5:26 pm

VC10er wrote:
jayunited wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
The HD 772As probably won't make it to 2027 (I still expect them to be replaced by higher density 764s backfilled by 789s on long haul routes) but the 77Es will generally have lower cycles than comparably aged 757s. Even if the CO 757s have spent 15 years mostly on TATL flights, that is still more cycles than routes like BOM/DEL/HKG/SYD that the 777s have been used on.


I don't think a higher density 764 will replace the HD 772s. In my opinion UA has already shown their hand by announcing their intentions to add 4 77Es to the HD fleet. A high density 764 can't replace a 364 seat HD 772 and UA on our hub to hub and Hawaii routes. Not only does the HD fleet move a lot of passengers those aircraft move a tremendous amount of freight between our hubs. Both above and below wing UA would loose a lot of capacity replacing the HD fleet with a high density 764.I believe newer aircraft like the 789 and 78X will for the most part be reglated to international routes and only be used on hub to hub routes for routing purposed. However as the 77As age and are retired I fully expect UA to replace those aircraft with an aircraft that can offer similar capacity which is the 77Es.


Ok, so I totally get that a HD764 is not a suitable replacement for the HD772’s. But in about 7 years when those HD772’s, what similarly sized aircraft will UA have to choose from considering passenger count and freight? I would presume that this current fleet of HD772’s make UA a lot of money (I will make a big assumption that these 772’s are paid off) so despite fuel burn, she carries a lot! It seems to me that buying new aircraft of similar capacity would not be an inexpensive airplane? A 787-10? And while I don’t think it would ever come to be, an A330? Unless there are used 772’s around that still have a enough life left in them? I am assuming that Boeing doesn’t build a pax 772 anymore?

If UNITED’s stated brand dreams come true, all the aircraft refurbished and costumer satisfaction reaches Oscar’s goals, and UA becomes the airline people WANT to fly, United will vastly grow their total annual passenger count by a significant percentage. UA’s stock is already growing rapidly.

I don’t know if you have any data to support my next statement, if you did, I’d love to read it: “TO ME” it just “feels” like the United bashing and complaining has tapered off a lot. Today on United’s social media platforms such as Instagram, etc, the vast majority of passenger comments are very positive, and with just a few trolls. A few years ago United would post a pretty picture and all the comments under the post started with “The WORST” and ended with “I will never fly United again, and I telling all my friends!”

To quote the late Roy Schneider: “were gonna need a bigger boat!”


I thought it was a generally accepted a.net assumption that the 14 x 78J's that are/are not ordered were the replacements for these birds? As you say, it's a bigger boat 2024 delivery makes sense 1996 birds retiring in years 28 or so.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:07 pm

GmoneyCO wrote:
The ps 752 fleet is being coverted from the gogo inflight internet to ViaSat KA satellite based internet. ViaSat KA will offer travelers on ps flights increased bandwidth. As these aircraft do not typically travel outside of the lower 48, the change in coverage areas will not have an impact on travelers.

The following aircraft have been received the upgrade
N587UA
N588UA
N589UA
N590UA
N597UA

In other news....

320:
N2910U - UA took delivery of the aircraft from Vueling on 6-Dec. I do not see any ferry flights out of OSR scheduled.

753:
N57852 - Listed as having KU band wifi, currently has the Thales KA band system limited to the lower 48
N75853 - Listed as having KU band wifi, almost certainly has the Thales KA band system but is in for maint so cannot confirm
N57855 - Listed as having KU band wifi, currently has the Thales KA band system limited to the lower 48


Good news on the ps planes WiFi. The fee for gogo is so high on those flights and service so bad.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:29 pm

There is also one -900er (a/c 3839) floating around with a new upgraded ViaSat WiFi system. It looks to be a test aircraft with plans to retrofit the fleet.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:31 pm

VC10er wrote:
Ok, so I totally get that a HD764 is not a suitable replacement for the HD772’s. But in about 7 years when those HD772’s, what similarly sized aircraft will UA have to choose from considering passenger count and freight? I would presume that this current fleet of HD772’s make UA a lot of money (I will make a big assumption that these 772’s are paid off) so despite fuel burn, she carries a lot! It seems to me that buying new aircraft of similar capacity would not be an inexpensive airplane? A 787-10? And while I don’t think it would ever come to be, an A330? Unless there are used 772’s around that still have a enough life left in them? I am assuming that Boeing doesn’t build a pax 772 anymore?
To quote the late Roy Schneider: “were gonna need a bigger boat!”


I don't know for sure what UA will do in 7 years I'm only giving my opinion on what I think will eventually replace the HD77As. Looking at UA's 777-200/ER fleet we have some old birds flying around and we have some fairly young 77Es flying around. With UA adding four 2001 built 77Es to the HD fleet I'm assuming that as the HD77A fleet ages and is retired UA would just simply replace the 77As with the younger 77Es. The 77Es would then either be replaced by the A359s, or for those who believe the A359s will never enter the fleet then the aging 77Es would be replaced by a combination of 789s and 78Xs.

I personally don't see UA configuring any 787s in a high density layout for domestic use only as long as there are 77Es in the fleet. I think UA on these hub to hub routes would rather use a paid for 77E and relegate the newer widebodies to international routes. But then again I could be wrong UA could on tomorrow firm up those 11 still outstanding 78X frames and configure them for domestic hub to hub use.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:12 pm

VC10er wrote:
N649DL wrote:
VC10er wrote:

Thanks Jayunited,
I actually do realize the ENORMOUS undertaking United has begun a few years ago. The “To Do” list must be the size of War & Peace! Each one is expensive. Tonight I passed through EWR after a flight from Miami. I noticed all the restrooms in the concourse I walked down we closed for renovation. That was fabulous to see because I remember TC many, many years ago after it was finically opened. CO did make it much better than TA & TB, but EWR was just not an attractive airport since the ribbon cutting- it looked 1973 in 1973! It felt like a bad community college (but, that was the ‘70’s!) TODAY I think (IMHO) is one of the most pleasant airline terminals around. It’s easy, attractive and filled with great restaurants, beautiful gate seating areas, but the restrooms looked like the one part that was scratched off the “To Do” list. There are some beautifully renovated restrooms before security- so I was so happy to see UA realizing that they too must be made beautiful.

I was on a 739 flying up. She really is not so bad looking. New at least even if not well branded, somewhat inconsistent. The service was flawless! Ironically when I flew down it was the first E175 I have ever seen EWR/MIA. It was super comfortable in F. I asked if they had any “stroopwaffles” and the FA gave me 5!!!

Then I land tonight, turn on my iPhone only to see 50 A321XLR orders! Wow, Oscar means business! That took me by TOTAL SURPRISE. I am astonished at how United is investing in their brand- and really proud of them.

Thanks for the rationale above: this is why I love aviation, the enormous complexity and planning to get a once poorly regarded (not by me) airline to the best 4.3 Star in the world!

I still want the Continental comb back in the Amenity kit!

Cheers, and I hope TG was awesome,
Richard


I was born in the 1980s and flew CO out of EWR and begged my parents to fly other airlines because the experience sucked so much (for the most part.) C-3 wasn't opened yet, flights were always delayed or on ATR's, planes always run down or broken. I don't think it was until around 2000 as to when I flew on a new 738 on EWR-MCO for the first time, and that was delayed until 2am because of the weather. The last straw were the long security lines and drop off of running into other PAX on the "newish" yet narrow walkway between C-1 and C-3. Sorry not sorry, Terminal C absolutely sucks and I even prefer the convenience of Terminal B these days.


??? Terminal C at EWR sucks? How so? Today TC is one of the best “large and old” renovated Terminals in the USA. Obviously brand NEW airports are often better. Compared to the old days, it’s attractive enough upon entering, and a breeze today to go from check-in, through a massively improved security area, once past security it’s easy to get to your gate. It’s a very large terminal, so there might be a long walk “if” you’re gate is at the furthest tip of a concourse and can be very crowded, otherwise it is very convenient and is FINALLY attractive given it’s huge renovation (but the architecture is what it is) given United had a lemon designed 40+ years ago, however over the past few years UA has made amazing lemonade! The retail is well selected, the restaurants are very good, the Polaris lounge is huge and gorgeous, the new gate areas are really nice and comfortable with bespoke designed seating, the overall atmosphere is cheery compared to its original state. The last couple of things that needed fixing are underway: all NEW bathrooms (the new design for the bathrooms are really beautiful (some are open already) and they are modern and attractive and don’t look like a bus terminal bathroom anymore! United is building an enormous new United Club on the roof on top of Concourse C, which is rumored to be awesome with floor to ceiling windows overlooking the apron and runways, once that opens, there are plans to truly renovate the United Club upstairs on concourse 1.
So, having to often use old, renovated and extended (over and over) terminals around the USA and some international airports TC is very convenient and attractive enough. Having just deplaned at LHR (Queen’s Terminal) this past Thursday, and have used multiple times, while it is really beautifully designed its a very, very long walk to gates or bag claim.
I hope I live long enough to see it, but NYC Metro area airports are being leveled and rebuilt, brand new terminals coming - but like most major cities, airport infrastructures are being pushed to their limits and I believe regardless of all the “new” it won’t be enough 50 years from now! Not with the massive growth of super tall apartment and office towers in and around Manhattan going up at an unbelievable rate!
I am born and raised in NYC, and in just my lifetime NYC has changed radically- never before has there been so much growth in Manhattan, Brooklyn and NJ!
And United had a very small footprint in NYC just 20 years ago, now post merger and with the bumps over with, its remarkable how powerful they have become in NYC!


Well right now they have pop up open roofed bathrooms next to where people are dining right now in C-2. That and the UA Club space at the moment is an embarrassment at best (except the Polaris Lounge which looks great.) Yet it's a huge drop off between the Polaris Lounge and the 1980s-style ex-President's club and the "Pop Up" Clubs. I've always found there has been long walks while bouncing through various crowds no matter where you're headed to.

I was just at EWR and the new Terminal A construction seems to be coming along well. It will be interesting to see where UA lands there, but as for Terminal C, never really been a fan. More negative than positive experiences there over the years even when CO was there.

fun2fly wrote:
VC10er wrote:
jayunited wrote:

I don't think a higher density 764 will replace the HD 772s. In my opinion UA has already shown their hand by announcing their intentions to add 4 77Es to the HD fleet. A high density 764 can't replace a 364 seat HD 772 and UA on our hub to hub and Hawaii routes. Not only does the HD fleet move a lot of passengers those aircraft move a tremendous amount of freight between our hubs. Both above and below wing UA would loose a lot of capacity replacing the HD fleet with a high density 764.I believe newer aircraft like the 789 and 78X will for the most part be reglated to international routes and only be used on hub to hub routes for routing purposed. However as the 77As age and are retired I fully expect UA to replace those aircraft with an aircraft that can offer similar capacity which is the 77Es.


Ok, so I totally get that a HD764 is not a suitable replacement for the HD772’s. But in about 7 years when those HD772’s, what similarly sized aircraft will UA have to choose from considering passenger count and freight? I would presume that this current fleet of HD772’s make UA a lot of money (I will make a big assumption that these 772’s are paid off) so despite fuel burn, she carries a lot! It seems to me that buying new aircraft of similar capacity would not be an inexpensive airplane? A 787-10? And while I don’t think it would ever come to be, an A330? Unless there are used 772’s around that still have a enough life left in them? I am assuming that Boeing doesn’t build a pax 772 anymore?

If UNITED’s stated brand dreams come true, all the aircraft refurbished and costumer satisfaction reaches Oscar’s goals, and UA becomes the airline people WANT to fly, United will vastly grow their total annual passenger count by a significant percentage. UA’s stock is already growing rapidly.

I don’t know if you have any data to support my next statement, if you did, I’d love to read it: “TO ME” it just “feels” like the United bashing and complaining has tapered off a lot. Today on United’s social media platforms such as Instagram, etc, the vast majority of passenger comments are very positive, and with just a few trolls. A few years ago United would post a pretty picture and all the comments under the post started with “The WORST” and ended with “I will never fly United again, and I telling all my friends!”

To quote the late Roy Schneider: “were gonna need a bigger boat!”


I thought it was a generally accepted a.net assumption that the 14 x 78J's that are/are not ordered were the replacements for these birds? As you say, it's a bigger boat 2024 delivery makes sense 1996 birds retiring in years 28 or so.


Are the HD 777s actually profitable? Every time I check the seat maps, there always seem to a ton of open seats in Y as it seems like way too much capacity on some routes. Just an observation.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:34 pm

N649DL wrote:
Are the HD 777s actually profitable? Every time I check the seat maps, there always seem to a ton of open seats in Y as it seems like way too much capacity on some routes. Just an observation.


Massively profitable. They are always packed. Just go look at today’s flights. Every time I try to get on one to go to work I end up in the flight deck.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:01 am

N649DL wrote:
Every time I check the seat maps, there always seem to a ton of open seats in Y as it seems like way too much capacity on some routes. Just an observation.

Seat maps are a reliable indicator of how many people have selected specific seats. It is not a reliable indicator of how many people are booked on the flight.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:03 am

Plus all the segments that get dropped post departure leave holes in the seat map...
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:11 am

N649DL wrote:
VC10er wrote:
N649DL wrote:

I was born in the 1980s and flew CO out of EWR and begged my parents to fly other airlines because the experience sucked so much (for the most part.) C-3 wasn't opened yet, flights were always delayed or on ATR's, planes always run down or broken. I don't think it was until around 2000 as to when I flew on a new 738 on EWR-MCO for the first time, and that was delayed until 2am because of the weather. The last straw were the long security lines and drop off of running into other PAX on the "newish" yet narrow walkway between C-1 and C-3. Sorry not sorry, Terminal C absolutely sucks and I even prefer the convenience of Terminal B these days.


??? Terminal C at EWR sucks? How so? Today TC is one of the best “large and old” renovated Terminals in the USA. Obviously brand NEW airports are often better. Compared to the old days, it’s attractive enough upon entering, and a breeze today to go from check-in, through a massively improved security area, once past security it’s easy to get to your gate. It’s a very large terminal, so there might be a long walk “if” you’re gate is at the furthest tip of a concourse and can be very crowded, otherwise it is very convenient and is FINALLY attractive given it’s huge renovation (but the architecture is what it is) given United had a lemon designed 40+ years ago, however over the past few years UA has made amazing lemonade! The retail is well selected, the restaurants are very good, the Polaris lounge is huge and gorgeous, the new gate areas are really nice and comfortable with bespoke designed seating, the overall atmosphere is cheery compared to its original state. The last couple of things that needed fixing are underway: all NEW bathrooms (the new design for the bathrooms are really beautiful (some are open already) and they are modern and attractive and don’t look like a bus terminal bathroom anymore! United is building an enormous new United Club on the roof on top of Concourse C, which is rumored to be awesome with floor to ceiling windows overlooking the apron and runways, once that opens, there are plans to truly renovate the United Club upstairs on concourse 1.
So, having to often use old, renovated and extended (over and over) terminals around the USA and some international airports TC is very convenient and attractive enough. Having just deplaned at LHR (Queen’s Terminal) this past Thursday, and have used multiple times, while it is really beautifully designed its a very, very long walk to gates or bag claim.
I hope I live long enough to see it, but NYC Metro area airports are being leveled and rebuilt, brand new terminals coming - but like most major cities, airport infrastructures are being pushed to their limits and I believe regardless of all the “new” it won’t be enough 50 years from now! Not with the massive growth of super tall apartment and office towers in and around Manhattan going up at an unbelievable rate!
I am born and raised in NYC, and in just my lifetime NYC has changed radically- never before has there been so much growth in Manhattan, Brooklyn and NJ!
And United had a very small footprint in NYC just 20 years ago, now post merger and with the bumps over with, its remarkable how powerful they have become in NYC!


Well right now they have pop up open roofed bathrooms next to where people are dining right now in C-2. That and the UA Club space at the moment is an embarrassment at best (except the Polaris Lounge which looks great.) Yet it's a huge drop off between the Polaris Lounge and the 1980s-style ex-President's club and the "Pop Up" Clubs. I've always found there has been long walks while bouncing through various crowds no matter where you're headed to.

I was just at EWR and the new Terminal A construction seems to be coming along well. It will be interesting to see where UA lands there, but as for Terminal C, never really been a fan. More negative than positive experiences there over the years even when CO was there.

fun2fly wrote:
VC10er wrote:

Ok, so I totally get that a HD764 is not a suitable replacement for the HD772’s. But in about 7 years when those HD772’s, what similarly sized aircraft will UA have to choose from considering passenger count and freight? I would presume that this current fleet of HD772’s make UA a lot of money (I will make a big assumption that these 772’s are paid off) so despite fuel burn, she carries a lot! It seems to me that buying new aircraft of similar capacity would not be an inexpensive airplane? A 787-10? And while I don’t think it would ever come to be, an A330? Unless there are used 772’s around that still have a enough life left in them? I am assuming that Boeing doesn’t build a pax 772 anymore?

If UNITED’s stated brand dreams come true, all the aircraft refurbished and costumer satisfaction reaches Oscar’s goals, and UA becomes the airline people WANT to fly, United will vastly grow their total annual passenger count by a significant percentage. UA’s stock is already growing rapidly.

I don’t know if you have any data to support my next statement, if you did, I’d love to read it: “TO ME” it just “feels” like the United bashing and complaining has tapered off a lot. Today on United’s social media platforms such as Instagram, etc, the vast majority of passenger comments are very positive, and with just a few trolls. A few years ago United would post a pretty picture and all the comments under the post started with “The WORST” and ended with “I will never fly United again, and I telling all my friends!”

To quote the late Roy Schneider: “were gonna need a bigger boat!”


I thought it was a generally accepted a.net assumption that the 14 x 78J's that are/are not ordered were the replacements for these birds? As you say, it's a bigger boat 2024 delivery makes sense 1996 birds retiring in years 28 or so.


Are the HD 777s actually profitable? Every time I check the seat maps, there always seem to a ton of open seats in Y as it seems like way too much capacity on some routes. Just an observation.


I didn’t know of any open roof bathrooms in C-2, I must have never seen them. So you mean that; toilet stalls are totally open above for the stench to waft up and over towards people dining? Sounds horrible!

I have written direct letters to UA and ALWAYS mention it in post flight surveys that the United approach to restrooms has ALWAYS BEEN a bad experience, be it at EWR, LGA, ORD and other places and especially in a RCC or a non-refurbished UC club. (If a UC has been completely renovated or a new build they are very nice) but the Ex President’s Club at EWR is unacceptable in its current form. Yes it has been refurnished and therefore “slightly” better, but the 2 small men’s rooms are 100% the same as Ribbon Cutting day at CO about 1991. Same marble, same stalls with broken then poorly fixed latches, same sinks, and ZERO AIR EXCHANGERS, making mouth breathing a MUST prior to opening the door!

I was told about 3 weeks ago by the guy who is supervisor of that upstairs UC, that Willis knows of the problems and has plans!

Once the brand new mega UC on top of C-3 opens (and it’s under construction now) that the C-1 UC will be fully renovated. I begged him to please pass along that renovating the bathrooms in the club to the new design is great (I love the NEW UC design and the new bathrooms with airplane window shape mirrors) but without a state of the art HVAC system it will be a waste of money as the lingering odor in them is insufferable! Passengers ought to be allowed to burn wads of newspaper inside!

But (for me!) I flew to LHR from EWR TC last Thursday. This year I’m GS (I doubt 2020) and the EWR GS check-room is really quite beautiful, (not necessary but nice) the security lanes were a breeze and the Polaris Club is truly one of the best clubs anywhere! Then to my first HIgh-J 763. I actually couldn’t think of one tiny thing UA could have done better.
(Except for the removal of the comb from the amenity kit - which was removed long ago. So I deplane looking like Phil Spector!)
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:27 am

N649DL wrote:
VC10er wrote:
N649DL wrote:

I was born in the 1980s and flew CO out of EWR and begged my parents to fly other airlines because the experience sucked so much (for the most part.) C-3 wasn't opened yet, flights were always delayed or on ATR's, planes always run down or broken. I don't think it was until around 2000 as to when I flew on a new 738 on EWR-MCO for the first time, and that was delayed until 2am because of the weather. The last straw were the long security lines and drop off of running into other PAX on the "newish" yet narrow walkway between C-1 and C-3. Sorry not sorry, Terminal C absolutely sucks and I even prefer the convenience of Terminal B these days.


??? Terminal C at EWR sucks? How so? Today TC is one of the best “large and old” renovated Terminals in the USA. Obviously brand NEW airports are often better. Compared to the old days, it’s attractive enough upon entering, and a breeze today to go from check-in, through a massively improved security area, once past security it’s easy to get to your gate. It’s a very large terminal, so there might be a long walk “if” you’re gate is at the furthest tip of a concourse and can be very crowded, otherwise it is very convenient and is FINALLY attractive given it’s huge renovation (but the architecture is what it is) given United had a lemon designed 40+ years ago, however over the past few years UA has made amazing lemonade! The retail is well selected, the restaurants are very good, the Polaris lounge is huge and gorgeous, the new gate areas are really nice and comfortable with bespoke designed seating, the overall atmosphere is cheery compared to its original state. The last couple of things that needed fixing are underway: all NEW bathrooms (the new design for the bathrooms are really beautiful (some are open already) and they are modern and attractive and don’t look like a bus terminal bathroom anymore! United is building an enormous new United Club on the roof on top of Concourse C, which is rumored to be awesome with floor to ceiling windows overlooking the apron and runways, once that opens, there are plans to truly renovate the United Club upstairs on concourse 1.
So, having to often use old, renovated and extended (over and over) terminals around the USA and some international airports TC is very convenient and attractive enough. Having just deplaned at LHR (Queen’s Terminal) this past Thursday, and have used multiple times, while it is really beautifully designed its a very, very long walk to gates or bag claim.
I hope I live long enough to see it, but NYC Metro area airports are being leveled and rebuilt, brand new terminals coming - but like most major cities, airport infrastructures are being pushed to their limits and I believe regardless of all the “new” it won’t be enough 50 years from now! Not with the massive growth of super tall apartment and office towers in and around Manhattan going up at an unbelievable rate!
I am born and raised in NYC, and in just my lifetime NYC has changed radically- never before has there been so much growth in Manhattan, Brooklyn and NJ!
And United had a very small footprint in NYC just 20 years ago, now post merger and with the bumps over with, its remarkable how powerful they have become in NYC!


Well right now they have pop up open roofed bathrooms next to where people are dining right now in C-2. That and the UA Club space at the moment is an embarrassment at best (except the Polaris Lounge which looks great.) Yet it's a huge drop off between the Polaris Lounge and the 1980s-style ex-President's club and the "Pop Up" Clubs. I've always found there has been long walks while bouncing through various crowds no matter where you're headed to.

I was just at EWR and the new Terminal A construction seems to be coming along well. It will be interesting to see where UA lands there, but as for Terminal C, never really been a fan. More negative than positive experiences there over the years even when CO was there.

fun2fly wrote:
VC10er wrote:

Ok, so I totally get that a HD764 is not a suitable replacement for the HD772’s. But in about 7 years when those HD772’s, what similarly sized aircraft will UA have to choose from considering passenger count and freight? I would presume that this current fleet of HD772’s make UA a lot of money (I will make a big assumption that these 772’s are paid off) so despite fuel burn, she carries a lot! It seems to me that buying new aircraft of similar capacity would not be an inexpensive airplane? A 787-10? And while I don’t think it would ever come to be, an A330? Unless there are used 772’s around that still have a enough life left in them? I am assuming that Boeing doesn’t build a pax 772 anymore?

If UNITED’s stated brand dreams come true, all the aircraft refurbished and costumer satisfaction reaches Oscar’s goals, and UA becomes the airline people WANT to fly, United will vastly grow their total annual passenger count by a significant percentage. UA’s stock is already growing rapidly.

I don’t know if you have any data to support my next statement, if you did, I’d love to read it: “TO ME” it just “feels” like the United bashing and complaining has tapered off a lot. Today on United’s social media platforms such as Instagram, etc, the vast majority of passenger comments are very positive, and with just a few trolls. A few years ago United would post a pretty picture and all the comments under the post started with “The WORST” and ended with “I will never fly United again, and I telling all my friends!”

To quote the late Roy Schneider: “were gonna need a bigger boat!”


I thought it was a generally accepted a.net assumption that the 14 x 78J's that are/are not ordered were the replacements for these birds? As you say, it's a bigger boat 2024 delivery makes sense 1996 birds retiring in years 28 or so.



Think you are a little over the top! United terminal C is very nice and well branded. The Temporary bathrooms in the middle of the terminal are no where near restaurants and are very clean and very well branded I have pictures in my phone but don’t know how to post them on here or I would! United has done a very nice job with branding and everything during this extensive construction process.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:28 am

Questions!
I have been on 1 752 in First Class that was refurbished. It’s clearly not as shabby (but VERY FAR) from a “wow!” - which is perfectly fine knowing that 50 A321XLR’s are coming in 4 years.
I understand that United has so much to do on their hands and Jeanie isn’t there to blink her eyes!

My first question is: How many of the 752’s have had First Class spruced up?

Second: Has United revealed anything about how they plan to execute a “Polaris-like” class on the A321XLR’s?

Last: If UA mothballed the ITPE seats for all those years until they sprang back up on the HD772’s, then logically they will also mothball all the 787 Diamond seats (which are newer) but are being removed right now for true Polaris seats. Is there a chance they will show up again on the A321XLR? (Or are they the wrong size?)

Thanks! R
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:40 am

N649DL wrote:
Are the HD 777s actually profitable? Every time I check the seat maps, there always seem to a ton of open seats in Y as it seems like way too much capacity on some routes. Just an observation.


Seats maps are not always accurate and if the HD fleet were not profitable the fleet wouldn't be growing by 4 frames. No 77As are being retired the fleet is growing from 19 frames today to 24 frames by some point in 2020. Also if these frames weren't profitable UA would not be adding them on non-hub routes like EWR-MCO and ORD-MCO in 2020.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:08 am

CriticalPoint wrote:
N649DL wrote:
Are the HD 777s actually profitable? Every time I check the seat maps, there always seem to a ton of open seats in Y as it seems like way too much capacity on some routes. Just an observation.


Massively profitable. They are always packed. Just go look at today’s flights. Every time I try to get on one to go to work I end up in the flight deck.

I just came off of 3 of them from Thursday to today....IAH-LAX-DEN-IAH
ALL 3 PACKED.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:20 am

772:
N783UA sked to exit XMN 2733/17Dec. Doesn't show Polaris and only in XMN 30 days (min has been 45) - maybe the map isn't posted yet.
Could it be the XMN mod lines have been moved to work on the 788 and 789 that are STC birds for Polaris/PP?
UA is so close as N783UA, N785UA and N797UA are the last 3 ITPE units to be scheduled for Polaris/PP.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:56 am

VC10er wrote:
Questions!
I have been on 1 752 in First Class that was refurbished. It’s clearly not as shabby (but VERY FAR) from a “wow!” - which is perfectly fine knowing that 50 A321XLR’s are coming in 4 years.
I understand that United has so much to do on their hands and Jeanie isn’t there to blink her eyes!

My first question is: How many of the 752’s have had First Class spruced up?

Second: Has United revealed anything about how they plan to execute a “Polaris-like” class on the A321XLR’s?

Last: If UA mothballed the ITPE seats for all those years until they sprang back up on the HD772’s, then logically they will also mothball all the 787 Diamond seats (which are newer) but are being removed right now for true Polaris seats. Is there a chance they will show up again on the A321XLR? (Or are they the wrong size?)

Thanks! R


Only a couple of 752s have been "spruced up" so far. #3 and #4 are in mod right now. There is one mod line in Miami and another in San Antonio.

Regarding the Polaris-like experience on the A321XLRs, nothing yet at least nothing public. I imagine they have some sketches and plans but the number of folks that know those are likely very few in HQ and we won't see anything hit the public internet until much closer to the first delivery.

It's possible the 787 diamond seats show up on the A321XLRs but highly unlikely. The IPTE seats on the 772HDs were pulled from service when the 77Es went in for modification so they were only out of service long enough for a maintenance overall, they were not pulled from a warehouse.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:19 am

CriticalPoint wrote:
N649DL wrote:
Are the HD 777s actually profitable? Every time I check the seat maps, there always seem to a ton of open seats in Y as it seems like way too much capacity on some routes. Just an observation.


Massively profitable. They are always packed. Just go look at today’s flights. Every time I try to get on one to go to work I end up in the flight deck.


I end up on the 777 on SFO-DEN and return about once a month. I'd prefer to fly another type, as I don't really like the experience, but those times happen to always be the best for me. Every single time, even on typically quiet Tuesday afternoons, the plane is always packed. I think the seat map is usually not full until the day of departure because more and more people are buying basic economy, which doesn't assign a seat until check-in. There's also usually a pretty long standby list for each flight as well. If I book a ticket 2-3 weeks out, a lot of times, there are only middle seats available, and I won't assign myself a seat until a window or aisle pops up.

I guess it's fun to fly a widebody, but 360+ people taking an hour usually to board for a two hour flight kills me. The drink cart doesn't reach the back of the Y cabin until about 90 minutes into the flight. I ended up on the 788 last week on DEN-SFO for a change, and the whole experience didn't feel as grueling.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:26 am

intotheair wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:
N649DL wrote:
Are the HD 777s actually profitable? Every time I check the seat maps, there always seem to a ton of open seats in Y as it seems like way too much capacity on some routes. Just an observation.


Massively profitable. They are always packed. Just go look at today’s flights. Every time I try to get on one to go to work I end up in the flight deck.


I end up on the 777 on SFO-DEN and return about once a month. I'd prefer to fly another type, as I don't really like the experience, but those times happen to always be the best for me. Every single time, even on typically quiet Tuesday afternoons, the plane is always packed. I think the seat map is usually not full until the day of departure because more and more people are buying basic economy, which doesn't assign a seat until check-in. There's also usually a pretty long standby list for each flight as well. If I book a ticket 2-3 weeks out, a lot of times, there are only middle seats available, and I won't assign myself a seat until a window or aisle pops up.

I guess it's fun to fly a widebody, but 360+ people taking an hour usually to board for a two hour flight kills me. The drink cart doesn't reach the back of the Y cabin until about 90 minutes into the flight. I ended up on the 788 last week on DEN-SFO for a change, and the whole experience didn't feel as grueling.


My experiences on the 772HD, especially the DEN/SFO flight are very similar to yours. It makes UA a lot of money but i avoid that flight if I can.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:39 am

jayunited wrote:
UA has already announced our new international destinations for spring and summer 2020, I don't think we will see another announcement cover that time frame. So far there has official for the fall/winter 2020/2021 season. There are always rumors at Willis, there were rumors UA this year would announce new routes to Indai from EWR so far that rumor has proven false. The rumor about an SFO-MNL nonstop was resurrected late this year based on a dispute UA had/has with PAL. Perhaps we will see a SFO-MNL nonstop once the 788s are reconfigured with a only 28 business class seats, however I don't see UA returning to BKK any time soon.

Personally what I would like to see announced for the fall/winter 2020/2021 season is as follows:
IAD-TLV increased to daily
DEN-FRA increased to daily
SFO-MEL increased to daily (for IATA winter)
ORD/IAD-DUB and ORD/IAD-FCO seasons extended till mid December.
Seasonal DEN-AKL 3x weekly from November 1, 2020 though March 15, 2021.
Seasonal SFO-BNE 3x weekly from November 1, 2020 through March 15, 2021


Little to no chance for SFO-MNL considering most of the (limited) high yielding market on this route has likely been absorbed by PR.
MNL being known traditionally as a low yielding VFR market means UA is happy to leave SFO-MNL to PR, the 1-stop options and LCCs. Even a high density 788 would look difficult from a yield perspective for a low yielding long haul market.

DEN-AKL is a possibility, especially with the NZ feed to the Australian mainland cities and regional towns. But considering UA seasonally cuts back on SYD routes (and to a lesser extent MEL) during the Northern Winter, I can't see SFO-MEL being daily year round.

BNE's yields is likely to be depressed to support a third competitor (or fourth competitor if you count AC) on the non-stop TransPac market, considering the duopoly of QF/AA and VA/DL. UA also only has an interline with QF on AU ends of the route, but will have to rely on mostly low yielding O&D, which wouldn't make BNE viable in the short/medium term.

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