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Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:48 pm

I've always secretly wondered about the catering carts and the CA777 signage but never asked! I always assumed they somehow came from Air China. Being a former FA myself, it is not totally unusual to be provided Atlas containers from catering that, while the supplies inside are correct and what you need for service, the container itself clearly came from another airline.
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Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:07 pm

I've seen the CA 777 carts on A320's and 737's. Not sure it has anything to do with the 777?
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https://www.instagram.com/p/B4w0fCdhuW4 ... 3n4s8t02w4

Here’s a shot someone got of 676.
 
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Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:41 pm

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https://www.instagram.com/p/B4w0fCdhuW4/?igshid=wb3n4s8t02w4

Here’s a shot someone got of 676.


Stunning. IMO, so happy to see the gold color gone.

VC10....what say you?
 
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Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:24 pm

Looks fantastic!
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Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:55 pm

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https://www.instagram.com/p/B4w0fCdhuW4/?igshid=wb3n4s8t02w4

Here’s a shot someone got of 676.

https://twitter.com/united/status/11943 ... 28513?s=21
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Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:48 pm

Does anyone have info on 772s N794UA and N795UA? They are currently at 57 and 50 days in XMN. Average completion for Polaris has been 51 days with many in the 46 day range. In 2019 only one of nine has taken more than 54 days.

N69020 should also be about ready to exit HKG with Polaris and N78017/N37018 in a couple more weeks.
 
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Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:02 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
Does anyone have info on 772s N794UA and N795UA? They are currently at 57 and 50 days in XMN. Average completion for Polaris has been 51 days with many in the 46 day range. In 2019 only one of nine has taken more than 54 days.

N69020 should also be about ready to exit HKG with Polaris and N78017/N37018 in a couple more weeks.


I wonder if the work on 794/795 is a bit slower because of Golden Week in early October? Presumably the XMN pace wound down during that time.
 
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Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:19 pm

A few random thoughts re: fleet site (which I love and refer to very frequently, so thank you for the hard work!!)

- Why not refer to the Blue Evolution paint as something other than GLOBE/19? I realize the fill color is blue, but since it's an all-new scheme, maybe we can move away from the post-merger identification?

- 75S mods add Channel 9

- Can we separate pages of the 787 variants? The forthcoming 787-9s are layered within 787-10s, which is a little confusing. The fleet is growing and is probably large enough in its own right to break out.
 
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Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:33 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
Does anyone have info on 772s N794UA and N795UA? They are currently at 57 and 50 days in XMN. Average completion for Polaris has been 51 days with many in the 46 day range. In 2019 only one of nine has taken more than 54 days.

N69020 should also be about ready to exit HKG with Polaris and N78017/N37018 in a couple more weeks.


N794UA has a return to service date of November 19

N795UA has a return to service date of December 9
 
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Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:48 pm

ocaviation wrote:
https://www.instagram.com/p/B4w0fCdhuW4/?igshid=wb3n4s8t02w4

Here’s a shot someone got of 676.



Looks great, glad they lost the wavy gold line. Now bring on a 787 and 77W
 
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Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:15 pm

UAL777UK wrote:
ocaviation wrote:
https://www.instagram.com/p/B4w0fCdhuW4/?igshid=wb3n4s8t02w4

Here’s a shot someone got of 676.



Looks great, glad they lost the wavy gold line. Now bring on a 787 and 77W

77W just entered paint shop at PAE, should be ready in 10 days or so. 78J will follow KLM off the CHS FAL, so a bit longer for that one.
 
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Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:15 pm

KVH68 wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
Does anyone have info on 772s N794UA and N795UA? They are currently at 57 and 50 days in XMN. Average completion for Polaris has been 51 days with many in the 46 day range. In 2019 only one of nine has taken more than 54 days.

N69020 should also be about ready to exit HKG with Polaris and N78017/N37018 in a couple more weeks.


N794UA has a return to service date of November 19

N795UA has a return to service date of December 9


On this subject of return to service, how is 6672 looking in HKG? 11/25 still on track?
 
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Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:03 am

kaitakfan wrote:
KVH68 wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
Does anyone have info on 772s N794UA and N795UA? They are currently at 57 and 50 days in XMN. Average completion for Polaris has been 51 days with many in the 46 day range. In 2019 only one of nine has taken more than 54 days.

N69020 should also be about ready to exit HKG with Polaris and N78017/N37018 in a couple more weeks.


N794UA has a return to service date of November 19

N795UA has a return to service date of December 9


On this subject of return to service, how is 6672 looking in HKG? 11/25 still on track?


Computer shows December 17 for 6672
 
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Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:34 am

KVH68 wrote:
kaitakfan wrote:
KVH68 wrote:

N794UA has a return to service date of November 19

N795UA has a return to service date of December 9


On this subject of return to service, how is 6672 looking in HKG? 11/25 still on track?


Computer shows December 17 for 6672


Wow! Much longer than normal for a Polaris mod right? Is return to service into you have found on SSD website or is it another source? I recently was using aircraft routing to get an idea when these birds would be ready for a pick up, but they only show once something has been built. Either way, thanks for the heads up. Had traded a trip around to try and pick her up if she was actually going to be out around 11/25, looks like it’s time for plan B.

Cheers.
 
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Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:13 am

codc10 wrote:
A few random thoughts re: fleet site (which I love and refer to very frequently, so thank you for the hard work!!)

- Why not refer to the Blue Evolution paint as something other than GLOBE/19? I realize the fill color is blue, but since it's an all-new scheme, maybe we can move away from the post-merger identification?

- 75S mods add Channel 9

- Can we separate pages of the 787 variants? The forthcoming 787-9s are layered within 787-10s, which is a little confusing. The fleet is growing and is probably large enough in its own right to break out.

Thanks for the suggestions.
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Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:45 am

Does anyone know what routes are being cut or downgauged as a result of the EWR/ORD-MCO upgauge to the 77A ?

77H
 
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Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:23 am

calpsafltskeds - Great job on all the work you do for us!

What are the estimates for the first 788 STC?
 
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Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:15 pm

kaitakfan wrote:
KVH68 wrote:
kaitakfan wrote:

On this subject of return to service, how is 6672 looking in HKG? 11/25 still on track?


Computer shows December 17 for 6672


Wow! Much longer than normal for a Polaris mod right? Is return to service into you have found on SSD website or is it another source? I recently was using aircraft routing to get an idea when these birds would be ready for a pick up, but they only show once something has been built. Either way, thanks for the heads up. Had traded a trip around to try and pick her up if she was actually going to be out around 11/25, looks like it’s time for plan B.

Cheers.


I am an aircraft mechanic for United. I have access to certain information. These planes are not just getting seat mods. They are in HKG and XMN mainly for C and D checks.
 
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Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:27 pm

KVH68 wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
Does anyone have info on 772s N794UA and N795UA? They are currently at 57 and 50 days in XMN. Average completion for Polaris has been 51 days with many in the 46 day range. In 2019 only one of nine has taken more than 54 days.

N69020 should also be about ready to exit HKG with Polaris and N78017/N37018 in a couple more weeks.


N794UA has a return to service date of November 19

N795UA has a return to service date of December 9


I assume they, and N78017, N37018 ans N69020 all have seat config of C50W24Y202 (and the 10 abreast Y)?
 
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Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:35 pm

MBASS wrote:
KVH68 wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
Does anyone have info on 772s N794UA and N795UA? They are currently at 57 and 50 days in XMN. Average completion for Polaris has been 51 days with many in the 46 day range. In 2019 only one of nine has taken more than 54 days.

N69020 should also be about ready to exit HKG with Polaris and N78017/N37018 in a couple more weeks.


N794UA has a return to service date of November 19

N795UA has a return to service date of December 9


I assume they, and N78017, N37018 ans N69020 all have seat config of C50W24Y202 (and the 10 abreast Y)?


Sorry, I don't have access to seat configuration.
 
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Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:23 pm

MBASS wrote:
KVH68 wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
Does anyone have info on 772s N794UA and N795UA? They are currently at 57 and 50 days in XMN. Average completion for Polaris has been 51 days with many in the 46 day range. In 2019 only one of nine has taken more than 54 days.

N69020 should also be about ready to exit HKG with Polaris and N78017/N37018 in a couple more weeks.


N794UA has a return to service date of November 19

N795UA has a return to service date of December 9


I assume they, and N78017, N37018 ans N69020 all have seat config of C50W24Y202 (and the 10 abreast Y)?


They will. All 777-224ER will have a common configuration once the program finishes, which will be the same seat count as all but 4 777-222ER.
 
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Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:58 pm

codc10 wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
Does anyone have info on 772s N794UA and N795UA? They are currently at 57 and 50 days in XMN. Average completion for Polaris has been 51 days with many in the 46 day range. In 2019 only one of nine has taken more than 54 days.

N69020 should also be about ready to exit HKG with Polaris and N78017/N37018 in a couple more weeks.


I wonder if the work on 794/795 is a bit slower because of Golden Week in early October? Presumably the XMN pace wound down during that time.

Looking a past Golden Week mods, mods at XMN last year that included Golden Week timeframe took an extra 10 days on average.

For some reason HKG mods don't seem to take longer. 763s: N649UA was about average for early Polaris mods, N641UA was one of the quickest, N667UA and N668UA were about average, 772GE: N78005 was about the quickest
 
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Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:08 pm

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Does anyone know what routes are being cut or downgauged as a result of the EWR/ORD-MCO upgauge to the 77A ?

77H


There are no routes being cut as a result of the upguage. As far as downguaging that is a bit more difficult to say because UA moves the widebody fleet around. But with 4 additional HD 777s joining the HD fleet any downguage would be short lived as this fleet type is growing not shrinking. Adding MCO into the rotation shouldn’t throw most of the schedule out of wack.

Out of ORD I could see a routing like this working on a 77A
23:30-05:25 SFO-ORD
08:00-11:50 ORD-MCO
13:10-14:52 MCO-ORD
18:05-20:55 ORD-SFO
 
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Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:47 pm

codc10 wrote:
MBASS wrote:
KVH68 wrote:

N794UA has a return to service date of November 19

N795UA has a return to service date of December 9


I assume they, and N78017, N37018 ans N69020 all have seat config of C50W24Y202 (and the 10 abreast Y)?


They will. All 777-224ER will have a common configuration once the program finishes, which will be the same seat count as all but 4 777-222ER.

I know what the difference is with those 222ER's, the different arrangement of seats for cabin crew rest area, but I wasn't aware that it was only 4 frames. Can anyone share the history that led to that small group with different requirements?
 
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Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:41 am

KVH68 wrote:
kaitakfan wrote:
KVH68 wrote:

Computer shows December 17 for 6672


Wow! Much longer than normal for a Polaris mod right? Is return to service into you have found on SSD website or is it another source? I recently was using aircraft routing to get an idea when these birds would be ready for a pick up, but they only show once something has been built. Either way, thanks for the heads up. Had traded a trip around to try and pick her up if she was actually going to be out around 11/25, looks like it’s time for plan B.

Cheers.


I am an aircraft mechanic for United. I have access to certain information. These planes are not just getting seat mods. They are in HKG and XMN mainly for C and D checks.


Gotcha! Thanks for the info and thanks for all the fantastic work you do on our planes.

So 12/17 is a firm date or is there a chance 6672 will finish sooner?
 
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Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:04 am

source from charleston spotters with the new tail on the 787-10

https://www.instagram.com/p/B40ZjnEBDTH/
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Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:53 am

Re 772A service to MCO. Interesting the schedule shows morning south and afternoon north from both EWR and ORD. So, turns will go to the opposite airport, there will be a few minutes overlap in MCO and swap capability would take a delay.
EWR 0800 MCO 1045 turns to ORD
MCO 1355 EWR 1635 appears to turn to LAX at 1800
ORD 0830 MCO 1215 turns to EWR
MCO 1220 ORD 1424 appears to turn to DEN at 1610

After May 7 EWR seems to drop and the resulting turn in MCO on the ORD flight is 1145 to 1220, which is too short. ORD-DEN flight doesn't show a 777 in May, so not sure what's going on there.
 
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Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:35 am

319 New configuration (12F/36E+/78Y) :
N801UA entered LCQ 2762/14Nov for new config
N834UA sked to exit LCQ 2745/15Nov in new config.
21 complete, 4 more currently in Mod.
 
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Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:28 am

cosyr wrote:
codc10 wrote:
MBASS wrote:

I assume they, and N78017, N37018 ans N69020 all have seat config of C50W24Y202 (and the 10 abreast Y)?


They will. All 777-224ER will have a common configuration once the program finishes, which will be the same seat count as all but 4 777-222ER.

I know what the difference is with those 222ER's, the different arrangement of seats for cabin crew rest area, but I wasn't aware that it was only 4 frames. Can anyone share the history that led to that small group with different requirements?


The 4 777-222ERs are currently ITPE and wont get Polairs. They will be configured to a 777-222A Domestic config. If I remember they are the 4 newest UA 777s and that's why they got picked to become domestic. Also they dont have any differences then the other -222ERs except some have a lower rest area and some have an upper rest area.
 
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Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:49 am

cosyr wrote:
codc10 wrote:
MBASS wrote:

I assume they, and N78017, N37018 ans N69020 all have seat config of C50W24Y202 (and the 10 abreast Y)?


They will. All 777-224ER will have a common configuration once the program finishes, which will be the same seat count as all but 4 777-222ER.

I know what the difference is with those 222ER's, the different arrangement of seats for cabin crew rest area, but I wasn't aware that it was only 4 frames. Can anyone share the history that led to that small group with different requirements?



the 4 772 that are not getting Polaris will be reconfigured to the domestic config with 2-4-2 in F and 3-4-3 in Y. these are the ER version. From what i remember, UA was having trouble getting the non ER birds from Hawaii-ORD/DEN/IAH with a full load of passengers and cargo, they were always leaving cargo behind. The ER birds will help with this issue since they are not range restricted.
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Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:31 pm

kaitakfan wrote:
KVH68 wrote:
kaitakfan wrote:

Wow! Much longer than normal for a Polaris mod right? Is return to service into you have found on SSD website or is it another source? I recently was using aircraft routing to get an idea when these birds would be ready for a pick up, but they only show once something has been built. Either way, thanks for the heads up. Had traded a trip around to try and pick her up if she was actually going to be out around 11/25, looks like it’s time for plan B.

Cheers.


I am an aircraft mechanic for United. I have access to certain information. These planes are not just getting seat mods. They are in HKG and XMN mainly for C and D checks.


Gotcha! Thanks for the info and thanks for all the fantastic work you do on our planes.

So 12/17 is a firm date or is there a chance 6672 will finish sooner?


The 12/7 date is a target date. There are no guarantee dates.
 
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Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:06 pm

jetblastdubai wrote:
ocaviation wrote:
https://www.instagram.com/p/B4w0fCdhuW4/?igshid=wb3n4s8t02w4

Here’s a shot someone got of 676.


Stunning. IMO, so happy to see the gold color gone.

VC10....what say you?


Sorry I was on a hectic business trip!

First, whenever I look at at new branding I’ve been trained to look at it from a view point of “what is this design saying?” to the average person. (Then “quality” is it well designed, crafted, balanced, not trendy- unless trendy is required)

Given how great some “parts” of the United experience has become, I was really surprised when I first saw the new livery on a 737-800 (it was an -800?) - When it comes to marketing, UA will understand how their fliers are segmented. Example: they obviously have really committed themselves to the premium international business class flier. If you fall into that segment, especially GS, you arrive at your UA hub, and today from the moment you check-in until you get your luggage (providing your international flight was in a new Polaris seat, it’s pretty darn great, especially if you had grown accustomed to an old United Club and Diamond seat. Today the Polaris Lounge is so beautiful and well done that you think “REALLY! Wow I didn’t know United had the chops to do this!” - that person is very different than the usual domestic 2/3 times a year United flier. They are not feeling the the sea changes the international $5000 to $10,000 ticket to London or Tokyo fliers (as much).

When I read “United sucks, I hate you and I’d rather die than fly United again” on social media, they are not GS, 1k big ticket fliers. It’s an occasional flier who got stuck in an uncomfortable gate chair at a not so great airport with no new United Club and missed connection, etc. And they probably had a problem with UA during the merger etc: enough evidence for them to hate the brand. These folks have not gotten the white glove treatment from UA. A seasoned flier often knows that s**t happens, when it is or is not something UA or any other airline had control over.

So the conundrum of creating a new livery/brand visual representation that cuts across every consumer segment and works well for all means some compromise. For me, an international GS or 1k flier it doesn’t look premium enough. For a family going to Disney or visiting grandma in New Jersey it’s a great livery: colorful, friendly but for loyal United premium fliers the changes have been big, for Polaris fliers it doesn’t seem to fit with all the new and upscale changes because it doesn’t look sophisticated enough (maybe less dated)

I think on a longer bird it’s much better looking. On a 737, there are WAY to many LARGE elements flighting each other: BIG BRANDING “UNITED” Bold Blue tail with and even bigger globe, Blue Engines and then a big WAVE.
So when there is more negative space (as the 763) it feels better balanced- yet I will never like the WAVE! (It worked great on just the 787 to bring attention to the “Dreamliner” but now that it will be on every aircraft A) it no longer plays a special role to connote “new tech” B) it goes with NOTHING ELSE in the UA branding tool kit C) it only serves to make the livery more complicated than it needs to be.

I do believe that the very large UNITED branding is a good strategic move (sorry I cannot say “titles” it’s not a branding term) - I think it’s good because it says “we are proud of the brand we are” I think UA “finally” can do some chest pounding. (apart from the HD 772)

Ever since CO launched the globe, it was always more of a decorative element than a “logo or symbol” - the “Globe n a Box” does not rise to the level of an ICON, not like the PanAm globe, Singapore Craine, Qantas Kangaroo, Cathay Brush Wing, Delta’s Delta (widget) or Apple’s Apple. (Or the tulip!) Big Brand symbols that become ICONIC are almost always more simple, less fussy or detailed. But it’s not offensive, though unlike the others, I’d never wear it (I own a fabulous baseball cap with a United tulip. Whenever I wear it strangers will say “that’s so cool, where did you get that? Why did United change it?)

On balance, I think it looks far better on a bigger bird. I bet it will look the best on the 777-300! Although I will never like the WAVE. (As CoCo Channel famously once said: “Before you go out remember to take at least one thing off!)

Cheers R
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Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:30 pm

Pinto wrote:
cosyr wrote:
codc10 wrote:

They will. All 777-224ER will have a common configuration once the program finishes, which will be the same seat count as all but 4 777-222ER.

I know what the difference is with those 222ER's, the different arrangement of seats for cabin crew rest area, but I wasn't aware that it was only 4 frames. Can anyone share the history that led to that small group with different requirements?


The 4 777-222ERs are currently ITPE and wont get Polairs. They will be configured to a 777-222A Domestic config. If I remember they are the 4 newest UA 777s and that's why they got picked to become domestic. Also they dont have any differences then the other -222ERs except some have a lower rest area and some have an upper rest area.


OH NO! FOUR MORE! They really kept all those ITPE seats in storage all this time!

I totally understand the need for a big people mover, but I was hoping that the diamond seats coming off old frames would replace those ITPE lie flat seats! They really are so, so tight and have ZERO storage! These HD 772’s don’t fit with the “New Spirit of United”

Yesterday I was on a refurbished 752 in First from Denver to EWR. They do look MUCH better! I don’t want to be ungrateful, but I thought they would have looked even better. The old and yellowed plastic bins and ceilings look even more pronounced now that the Diamond seats look brand new with Polaris upholstery and new monitors (and I think I figured out what a “unibrow” is. The lavs look nicer with new finishes. But short of the Polaris plaque, the solid grey bulkheads are a tad drab.

But I get using restraint in investing in such old aircraft. I will say it did feel less scrappy, and that it is a big improvement. The service was great. New IFE is unrivaled!

However I did expect that single (white-ish) side wall panel next to seat 1A to have been changed! They exist on every 752 and I have no idea why?
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Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:33 pm

This from skyliner-aviation.de:

Boeing 757-222 24626 254 N505UA United Airlines ferried 15 Nov 2019 GYR-TUP, for part-out & scrap
 
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Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:51 pm

UAX Update:

CR5:
N608QX (2001 build) ferried STL for induction, already has CR5 interior
N603QX (2001 build) ferried STL for induction, already has CR5 interior
N546GJ at MLB for CR5 interior mod
N168GJ has new livery, at MLB for CR5 interior mod
N172GJ has new livery, at MLB for CR5 interior mod
N170GJ at AMA for new livery

CR2:
N409AW exited the fleet, stored
N434AW exited the fleet, stored

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N14177 exited AMA in new livery
N14186 entered AMA for new livery paint

E175SC:
N620UX has been delivered to ExpressJet
N621UX has been delivered to ExpressJet
N622UX has been delivered to ExpressJet
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:22 pm

VC10er wrote:
Pinto wrote:
cosyr wrote:
I know what the difference is with those 222ER's, the different arrangement of seats for cabin crew rest area, but I wasn't aware that it was only 4 frames. Can anyone share the history that led to that small group with different requirements?


The 4 777-222ERs are currently ITPE and wont get Polairs. They will be configured to a 777-222A Domestic config. If I remember they are the 4 newest UA 777s and that's why they got picked to become domestic. Also they dont have any differences then the other -222ERs except some have a lower rest area and some have an upper rest area.


OH NO! FOUR MORE! They really kept all those ITPE seats in storage all this time!

I totally understand the need for a big people mover, but I was hoping that the diamond seats coming off old frames would replace those ITPE lie flat seats! They really are so, so tight and have ZERO storage! These HD 772’s don’t fit with the “New Spirit of United”

Yesterday I was on a refurbished 752 in First from Denver to EWR. They do look MUCH better! I don’t want to be ungrateful, but I thought they would have looked even better. The old and yellowed plastic bins and ceilings look even more pronounced now that the Diamond seats look brand new with Polaris upholstery and new monitors (and I think I figured out what a “unibrow” is. The lavs look nicer with new finishes. But short of the Polaris plaque, the solid grey bulkheads are a tad drab.

But I get using restraint in investing in such old aircraft. I will say it did feel less scrappy, and that it is a big improvement. The service was great. New IFE is unrivaled!

However I did expect that single (white-ish) side wall panel next to seat 1A to have been changed! They exist on every 752 and I have no idea why?


That's a bad call, unless they plan on installing AVOD in Y on this domestic sub fleet (long overdue, IMHO). The IPTE's are quite comfortable in Y as is.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:18 am

VC10er wrote:
Pinto wrote:
cosyr wrote:
I know what the difference is with those 222ER's, the different arrangement of seats for cabin crew rest area, but I wasn't aware that it was only 4 frames. Can anyone share the history that led to that small group with different requirements?


The 4 777-222ERs are currently ITPE and wont get Polairs. They will be configured to a 777-222A Domestic config. If I remember they are the 4 newest UA 777s and that's why they got picked to become domestic. Also they dont have any differences then the other -222ERs except some have a lower rest area and some have an upper rest area.


OH NO! FOUR MORE! They really kept all those ITPE seats in storage all this time!

I totally understand the need for a big people mover, but I was hoping that the diamond seats coming off old frames would replace those ITPE lie flat seats! They really are so, so tight and have ZERO storage! These HD 772’s don’t fit with the “New Spirit of United”

Yesterday I was on a refurbished 752 in First from Denver to EWR. They do look MUCH better! I don’t want to be ungrateful, but I thought they would have looked even better. The old and yellowed plastic bins and ceilings look even more pronounced now that the Diamond seats look brand new with Polaris upholstery and new monitors (and I think I figured out what a “unibrow” is. The lavs look nicer with new finishes. But short of the Polaris plaque, the solid grey bulkheads are a tad drab.

But I get using restraint in investing in such old aircraft. I will say it did feel less scrappy, and that it is a big improvement. The service was great. New IFE is unrivaled!

However I did expect that single (white-ish) side wall panel next to seat 1A to have been changed! They exist on every 752 and I have no idea why?


I just flew on a 752 from EWR-SFO, im not sure if it was refurbished or.......what are the changes im looking for?
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:20 am

VC10er wrote:
jetblastdubai wrote:
ocaviation wrote:
https://www.instagram.com/p/B4w0fCdhuW4/?igshid=wb3n4s8t02w4

Here’s a shot someone got of 676.


Stunning. IMO, so happy to see the gold color gone.

VC10....what say you?


Sorry I was on a hectic business trip!

First, whenever I look at at new branding I’ve been trained to look at it from a view point of “what is this design saying?” to the average person. (Then “quality” is it well designed, crafted, balanced, not trendy- unless trendy is required)

Given how great some “parts” of the United experience has become, I was really surprised when I first saw the new livery on a 737-800 (it was an -800?) - When it comes to marketing, UA will understand how their fliers are segmented. Example: they obviously have really committed themselves to the premium international business class flier. If you fall into that segment, especially GS, you arrive at your UA hub, and today from the moment you check-in until you get your luggage (providing your international flight was in a new Polaris seat, it’s pretty darn great, especially if you had grown accustomed to an old United Club and Diamond seat. Today the Polaris Lounge is so beautiful and well done that you think “REALLY! Wow I didn’t know United had the chops to do this!” - that person is very different than the usual domestic 2/3 times a year United flier. They are not feeling the the sea changes the international $5000 to $10,000 ticket to London or Tokyo fliers (as much).

When I read “United sucks, I hate you and I’d rather die than fly United again” on social media, they are not GS, 1k big ticket fliers. It’s an occasional flier who got stuck in an uncomfortable gate chair at a not so great airport with no new United Club and missed connection, etc. And they probably had a problem with UA during the merger etc: enough evidence for them to hate the brand. These folks have not gotten the white glove treatment from UA. A seasoned flier often knows that s**t happens, when it is or is not something UA or any other airline had control over.

So the conundrum of creating a new livery/brand visual representation that cuts across every consumer segment and works well for all means some compromise. For me, an international GS or 1k flier it doesn’t look premium enough. For a family going to Disney or visiting grandma in New Jersey it’s a great livery: colorful, friendly but for loyal United premium fliers the changes have been big, for Polaris fliers it doesn’t seem to fit with all the new and upscale changes because it doesn’t look sophisticated enough (maybe less dated)

I think on a longer bird it’s much better looking. On a 737, there are WAY to many LARGE elements flighting each other: BIG BRANDING “UNITED” Bold Blue tail with and even bigger globe, Blue Engines and then a big WAVE.
So when there is more negative space (as the 763) it feels better balanced- yet I will never like the WAVE! (It worked great on just the 787 to bring attention to the “Dreamliner” but now that it will be on every aircraft A) it no longer plays a special role to connote “new tech” B) it goes with NOTHING ELSE in the UA branding tool kit C) it only serves to make the livery more complicated than it needs to be.

I do believe that the very large UNITED branding is a good strategic move (sorry I cannot say “titles” it’s not a branding term) - I think it’s good because it says “we are proud of the brand we are” I think UA “finally” can do some chest pounding. (apart from the HD 772)

Ever since CO launched the globe, it was always more of a decorative element than a “logo or symbol” - the “Globe n a Box” does not rise to the level of an ICON, not like the PanAm globe, Singapore Craine, Qantas Kangaroo, Cathay Brush Wing, Delta’s Delta (widget) or Apple’s Apple. (Or the tulip!) Big Brand symbols that become ICONIC are almost always more simple, less fussy or detailed. But it’s not offensive, though unlike the others, I’d never wear it (I own a fabulous baseball cap with a United tulip. Whenever I wear it strangers will say “that’s so cool, where did you get that? Why did United change it?)

On balance, I think it looks far better on a bigger bird. I bet it will look the best on the 777-300! Although I will never like the WAVE. (As CoCo Channel famously once said: “Before you go out remember to take at least one thing off!)

Cheers R



Very well said!!!!!! As a 1K flier, i'm extremely happy with what UA has done in the past few years. New J seat, PE, upgraded food menu, and on board products. I'm a bit sad that they took away the win sampler... :(

I grew up flying UA and the tulip, so i was extremely upset with the merger livery...... The new livery is now a good mix of both airlines. You have the PMCO globe and the PMUA shades of blue. Very simple and elegant. With all the changes after the merger, the new livery is the final piece of the puzzle.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:33 am

VC10er wrote:
Pinto wrote:
cosyr wrote:
I know what the difference is with those 222ER's, the different arrangement of seats for cabin crew rest area, but I wasn't aware that it was only 4 frames. Can anyone share the history that led to that small group with different requirements?


The 4 777-222ERs are currently ITPE and wont get Polairs. They will be configured to a 777-222A Domestic config. If I remember they are the 4 newest UA 777s and that's why they got picked to become domestic. Also they dont have any differences then the other -222ERs except some have a lower rest area and some have an upper rest area.


OH NO! FOUR MORE! They really kept all those ITPE seats in storage all this time!

I totally understand the need for a big people mover, but I was hoping that the diamond seats coming off old frames would replace those ITPE lie flat seats! They really are so, so tight and have ZERO storage! These HD 772’s don’t fit with the “New Spirit of United”

Yesterday I was on a refurbished 752 in First from Denver to EWR. They do look MUCH better! I don’t want to be ungrateful, but I thought they would have looked even better. The old and yellowed plastic bins and ceilings look even more pronounced now that the Diamond seats look brand new with Polaris upholstery and new monitors (and I think I figured out what a “unibrow” is. The lavs look nicer with new finishes. But short of the Polaris plaque, the solid grey bulkheads are a tad drab.

But I get using restraint in investing in such old aircraft. I will say it did feel less scrappy, and that it is a big improvement. The service was great. New IFE is unrivaled!

However I did expect that single (white-ish) side wall panel next to seat 1A to have been changed! They exist on every 752 and I have no idea why?


Does anyone have pictures of the new interior -- I can't seem to find any online?
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:52 am

I saw N2138U was in SFO for 3 days was that an A check?
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:29 am

United Premier (and Marriott titanium) members can preview the new cr5 at STL.
https://twitter.com/united/status/1195024883228594176
Interesting how every thread is spammed with "bring back paid membership, there are too many spammers"
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:38 am

xxcr wrote:
VC10er wrote:
Pinto wrote:

The 4 777-222ERs are currently ITPE and wont get Polairs. They will be configured to a 777-222A Domestic config. If I remember they are the 4 newest UA 777s and that's why they got picked to become domestic. Also they dont have any differences then the other -222ERs except some have a lower rest area and some have an upper rest area.


OH NO! FOUR MORE! They really kept all those ITPE seats in storage all this time!

I totally understand the need for a big people mover, but I was hoping that the diamond seats coming off old frames would replace those ITPE lie flat seats! They really are so, so tight and have ZERO storage! These HD 772’s don’t fit with the “New Spirit of United”

Yesterday I was on a refurbished 752 in First from Denver to EWR. They do look MUCH better! I don’t want to be ungrateful, but I thought they would have looked even better. The old and yellowed plastic bins and ceilings look even more pronounced now that the Diamond seats look brand new with Polaris upholstery and new monitors (and I think I figured out what a “unibrow” is. The lavs look nicer with new finishes. But short of the Polaris plaque, the solid grey bulkheads are a tad drab.

But I get using restraint in investing in such old aircraft. I will say it did feel less scrappy, and that it is a big improvement. The service was great. New IFE is unrivaled!

However I did expect that single (white-ish) side wall panel next to seat 1A to have been changed! They exist on every 752 and I have no idea why?


I just flew on a 752 from EWR-SFO, im not sure if it was refurbished or.......what are the changes im looking for?


It’s not “that much” - it is not like you turn left and exclaim “WOW!!!” - but first the shabby and worn looking seats and tv screens are not scuffed. The horizontal black panel where the TV screens are located have been replaced. They may have replaced the original Diamond seats that were scratched and touched up with grey nail polish are gone. But the #1 clue is the new grey bulkheads, with a United Polaris plaque on the right side bulkhead. The seat upholstery has been changed from the original CO pattern to the Polaris seat upholstery and blue grey leather headrest. The lav has new wall paper, new finishes for the sink splash boards in a Polaris blue, under the sink is a new modern wood-like finish: new faucet.

The only thing that stands out as “old” are overhead bins and ugly old 1983 ceilings, and old fashioned lighting.

But the Diamond seat is very comfortable- just no aisle access. Last: perhaps it was just my crew, but they ROCKED!
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:47 am

VC10er wrote:
jetblastdubai wrote:
ocaviation wrote:
https://www.instagram.com/p/B4w0fCdhuW4/?igshid=wb3n4s8t02w4

Here’s a shot someone got of 676.


Stunning. IMO, so happy to see the gold color gone.

VC10....what say you?


Sorry I was on a hectic business trip!

First, whenever I look at at new branding I’ve been trained to look at it from a view point of “what is this design saying?” to the average person. (Then “quality” is it well designed, crafted, balanced, not trendy- unless trendy is required)

Given how great some “parts” of the United experience has become, I was really surprised when I first saw the new livery on a 737-800 (it was an -800?) - When it comes to marketing, UA will understand how their fliers are segmented. Example: they obviously have really committed themselves to the premium international business class flier. If you fall into that segment, especially GS, you arrive at your UA hub, and today from the moment you check-in until you get your luggage (providing your international flight was in a new Polaris seat, it’s pretty darn great, especially if you had grown accustomed to an old United Club and Diamond seat. Today the Polaris Lounge is so beautiful and well done that you think “REALLY! Wow I didn’t know United had the chops to do this!” - that person is very different than the usual domestic 2/3 times a year United flier. They are not feeling the the sea changes the international $5000 to $10,000 ticket to London or Tokyo fliers (as much).

When I read “United sucks, I hate you and I’d rather die than fly United again” on social media, they are not GS, 1k big ticket fliers. It’s an occasional flier who got stuck in an uncomfortable gate chair at a not so great airport with no new United Club and missed connection, etc. And they probably had a problem with UA during the merger etc: enough evidence for them to hate the brand. These folks have not gotten the white glove treatment from UA. A seasoned flier often knows that s**t happens, when it is or is not something UA or any other airline had control over.

So the conundrum of creating a new livery/brand visual representation that cuts across every consumer segment and works well for all means some compromise. For me, an international GS or 1k flier it doesn’t look premium enough. For a family going to Disney or visiting grandma in New Jersey it’s a great livery: colorful, friendly but for loyal United premium fliers the changes have been big, for Polaris fliers it doesn’t seem to fit with all the new and upscale changes because it doesn’t look sophisticated enough (maybe less dated)

I think on a longer bird it’s much better looking. On a 737, there are WAY to many LARGE elements flighting each other: BIG BRANDING “UNITED” Bold Blue tail with and even bigger globe, Blue Engines and then a big WAVE.
So when there is more negative space (as the 763) it feels better balanced- yet I will never like the WAVE! (It worked great on just the 787 to bring attention to the “Dreamliner” but now that it will be on every aircraft A) it no longer plays a special role to connote “new tech” B) it goes with NOTHING ELSE in the UA branding tool kit C) it only serves to make the livery more complicated than it needs to be.

I do believe that the very large UNITED branding is a good strategic move (sorry I cannot say “titles” it’s not a branding term) - I think it’s good because it says “we are proud of the brand we are” I think UA “finally” can do some chest pounding. (apart from the HD 772)

Ever since CO launched the globe, it was always more of a decorative element than a “logo or symbol” - the “Globe n a Box” does not rise to the level of an ICON, not like the PanAm globe, Singapore Craine, Qantas Kangaroo, Cathay Brush Wing, Delta’s Delta (widget) or Apple’s Apple. (Or the tulip!) Big Brand symbols that become ICONIC are almost always more simple, less fussy or detailed. But it’s not offensive, though unlike the others, I’d never wear it (I own a fabulous baseball cap with a United tulip. Whenever I wear it strangers will say “that’s so cool, where did you get that? Why did United change it?)

On balance, I think it looks far better on a bigger bird. I bet it will look the best on the 777-300! Although I will never like the WAVE. (As CoCo Channel famously once said: “Before you go out remember to take at least one thing off!)

Cheers R


To be honest I think you've sort of answered your own question.

I realise that you are an advertising executive and are looking for the brand as a "whole". Delta have absolutely nailed having a brand that is both premium and also speaks to the Disney/visiting grandma crowd. United isn't so seamless, but you can sort of see what they are doing.

The Polaris Lounges are stunning, and United has done a good job of onboard branding with things like seat covers. That is the part of the brand that speaks to the GS/1K passenger flying to Singapore or London in Polaris.

They have added colour to their livery to make themselves look more exciting and inviting than the old grey/white/dark blue did. That appeals to the once/twice a year passenger, and that type of passenger is more likely to be sitting in a crowded gate area gazing out of the window than a GS/1K/Polaris passenger who is relaxing in the lounge

They have combined the globe with the shades of blue from Legacy United. That is intended to appeal to employees as it subtlely says we are finally united. Delta's livery does this well, as the red widget on an angle seems to recall Northwest even though that was not actually part the design brief (the livery was introduced a couple of years before the merger).

While maybe not as cohesive as it could be, United are speaking to all of the people they are trying to target.

Some companies manage to do this seemlessly, Delta and Apple being too good examples.

Since you mentioned Qantas I'm going to briefly touch on them. While their basic identity is world famous, their brand is actually not as seemless as it might seem at first glance. Their flight attendant uniforms are navy blue and "fuschia", two colors that have no relevance to their brand, especially the pink. Since introducing that uniform they have used the same color palette for billboards and web banner ads (not that I expect you to see much of that in the USA).

Qantas have a complicated brand proposition in Australia. While they are something of a national icon, and consistently found to be the countries most loved brand, they were traditionally perceived as being very fuddy-duddy and boring, an airline for rich old people. The pink and other design elements are deisbged to break down that image, and compete with the "hip" Virgin Australia brand to broaden their target demographic, without changing the basic identity which makes their brand so iconic.

While United's brand is not "iconic" in anywhere close to the same way, they are similarly trying to speak multiple narratives at the same time.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:36 am

codc10 wrote:
MBASS wrote:
KVH68 wrote:

N794UA has a return to service date of November 19

N795UA has a return to service date of December 9


I assume they, and N78017, N37018 ans N69020 all have seat config of C50W24Y202 (and the 10 abreast Y)?


They will. All 777-224ER will have a common configuration once the program finishes, which will be the same seat count as all but 4 777-222ER.



Thank you for the information. Do you also happen to know when all 777-224ER are supposed to be done with the new seat configuration? Thanks!
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:19 am

UAinAUS wrote:
UAX Update:


CR2:
N409AW exited the fleet, stored
N434AW exited the fleet, stored



This is interesting. They were putting more of these birds into service up until a year or two ago and they're already taking them out. I wonder what changed their minds.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:51 am

AMollenhauer9 wrote:
UAinAUS wrote:
UAX Update:


CR2:
N409AW exited the fleet, stored
N434AW exited the fleet, stored



This is interesting. They were putting more of these birds into service up until a year or two ago and they're already taking them out. I wonder what changed their minds.


I believe when they announced the return of the CRJ-200s from Air Wisconsin, they said it was only temporary and wouldn’t last very long. Very long didn’t have a number assigned to it, but they did imply that the -200s wouldn’t be on property for longer than 1-3 years. I suppose with the arrival of the CRJ-550 and 70 seat 175s, we will see more of the -200s leave, and not soon enough I might add.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:09 pm

kordcj wrote:
AMollenhauer9 wrote:
UAinAUS wrote:
UAX Update:


CR2:
N409AW exited the fleet, stored
N434AW exited the fleet, stored



This is interesting. They were putting more of these birds into service up until a year or two ago and they're already taking them out. I wonder what changed their minds.


I believe when they announced the return of the CRJ-200s from Air Wisconsin, they said it was only temporary and wouldn’t last very long. Very long didn’t have a number assigned to it, but they did imply that the -200s wouldn’t be on property for longer than 1-3 years. I suppose with the arrival of the CRJ-550 and 70 seat 175s, we will see more of the -200s leave, and not soon enough I might add.


I’m glad. The 200s are old and frail with delays getting more common. Although it’s sad to see some of these 550s being 2001 builds. Hopefully they’re cheap enough to keep a lot of spares.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:14 pm

The MAX is out the schedule till 05 March
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:55 pm

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The MAX is out the schedule till 05 March


Makes sense. In line with everyone else now.

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