It appears 73G N7703A has ferried to PAE for WN fleet exit prior to UA induction.

763:
N656UA entered LCQ paint 2761/3Dec for EvoBlu livery - 763 #3

Curious to see how the high J 763's are doing for UA? how are they compared to the standing Polaris 763?

UAX Update:

CR5:
N172GJ mod complete, has been reregistered N551GJ, enters revenue service with GoJet 4Dec
N546GJ mod complete, enters revenue service with GoJet 4Dec
N170GJ exited AMA new livery, at MLB for interior mod

E175SC:
Next 20 units have been allocated to Mesa in 70-seat configuration. Deliveries expected May-Dec 2020

CR7:
The 20 Mesa CR7s will be removed as the new E175SCs are delivered, to be converted to CRJ-550

The fleet updates, fleet status, and repaint status posts at the start of this thread have been updated.

✈️ atcsundevil

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... s-a321-jet

I wonder which routes UA will use the A321XLR on.

From ORD/EWR/IAD to the secondary European cities and maybe offer year round service to the smaller cities.

More A320s coming or have these been accounted for already?

https://www.avitrader.com/2019/12/03/ga ... -airlines/

freeze3192 wrote:

More A320s coming or have these been accounted for already?

https://www.avitrader.com/2019/12/03/ga ... -airlines/

It sounds like those are airplanes already operated by UAL and have simply been sold from one leasing company to another.

The A321XLR is a nice add for UA. Same pilot/crew base as the 319/320?

fun2fly wrote:

The A321XLR is a nice add for UA. Same pilot/crew base as the 319/320?

Presumably? I wonder if the pilots' union might try to argue otherwise though considering that these will likely do almost all international. Flying EWR-LIS is a very different day than IAH-TUS.

jayunited wrote:

VC10er wrote:

Thanks! Yes, many, many European cities have the 764. I know they were delivered around 2000, but inside they do not have a competitive hard product. I know that some high premium routes like Zurich, Geneva will get a refurbished 763, but it seems to me that from a European perspective that UA has a shot at improving their image and reputation. I know Germans who used to hate having to fly UA vs LH have said that with Polaris they no longer dread UA. It makes sense given a 764 is a good size bird, and UA only needs 1 frame per city, that they would have wanted to refurb the 764’s sooner- not later. Unless some of those European cities might get 789’s?

As for the 738 (and 739) both need the new F seat (although the 738 much more. Those F seats are truly dreadful) the 739’s may have a different F seat but they are not so bad. But both have the old and very drab looking interiors. There is nothing about them that’s branded or new looking. The refurbished used A319’s are really very nice inside.

United has to have a ROI (return on investment) on these aircraft interiors. As someone else stated the 764s will still be in the fleet after many of the 763s are retired, it then makes perfect sense to start with the 763s. Also what you may not know is for many of the 763s (especially the older models) the installation of Polaris also coincided with heavy maintenance work. This is also applies to the 764 fleet some of those aircraft will be due for heavy maintenance starting next year and that maintenance will take place while the aircraft is out of service for Polaris/PE. Lets use the 788/9 fleets as another example, many people wondered why UA didn't start with that fleet type? The two main reasons are seats are expensive and UA needed a ROI on those diamond seats on those 788/9s because those seats could not be repurposed and placed on another fleet type also UA is performing scheduled maintenance on the 788/9 fleets while they are out of service for Polaris/PE. If UA were to follow the publics suggestion UA would be waisting money. Combining both the Polaris/PE schedule and the heavy maintenance schedule is the most efficient way to get through this process. Just look at the PW (sUA) 77Es, except for the 4 frames that will be joining the HD domestic fleet UA by the end of this year will have removed all IPTE seats from the sUA 77E international fleet. Also the first 77E that will be joining the HD fleet was flown to HKG a few days ago to begin its modification. This reconfiguration was completed quickly, especially when you take into account UA had to stop the process when they rolled out our PE seats and had to send the first 8 sUA frames back to XMN to install PE seats.

As far as the 738 and 739 fleets UA will get to those fleets but right now we have multiple 763s, 77Es, 752s, A319s, a 788 and soon the first 789 all out of service for some type of cabin modification and refreshment, also the MAX fleet still grounded. In addition to planes out of service for cabin mods and a grounded MAX fleet, we also have a number of planes out of service for paint. What people have to keep in mind is UA still has an airline to run and we operate thousands of flights daily. To maintain the flight schedule it means UA can't do every thing all at once. Don't take what I'm saying the wrong way because you are correct some of the 738s and 739s interiors (first class seats) are in bad shape. UA will get around to refreshing those fleet types it is just going to take time.

UA is pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into the fleet to improve the interiors and in so doing improve our passengers experience however it is going to take time to refresh a fleet with over 770 aircraft.

Thanks Jayunited,
I actually do realize the ENORMOUS undertaking United has begun a few years ago. The “To Do” list must be the size of War & Peace! Each one is expensive. Tonight I passed through EWR after a flight from Miami. I noticed all the restrooms in the concourse I walked down we closed for renovation. That was fabulous to see because I remember TC many, many years ago after it was finically opened. CO did make it much better than TA & TB, but EWR was just not an attractive airport since the ribbon cutting- it looked 1973 in 1973! It felt like a bad community college (but, that was the ‘70’s!) TODAY I think (IMHO) is one of the most pleasant airline terminals around. It’s easy, attractive and filled with great restaurants, beautiful gate seating areas, but the restrooms looked like the one part that was scratched off the “To Do” list. There are some beautifully renovated restrooms before security- so I was so happy to see UA realizing that they too must be made beautiful.

I was on a 739 flying up. She really is not so bad looking. New at least even if not well branded, somewhat inconsistent. The service was flawless! Ironically when I flew down it was the first E175 I have ever seen EWR/MIA. It was super comfortable in F. I asked if they had any “stroopwaffles” and the FA gave me 5!!!

Then I land tonight, turn on my iPhone only to see 50 A321XLR orders! Wow, Oscar means business! That took me by TOTAL SURPRISE. I am astonished at how United is investing in their brand- and really proud of them.

Thanks for the rationale above: this is why I love aviation, the enormous complexity and planning to get a once poorly regarded (not by me) airline to the best 4.3 Star in the world!

I still want the Continental comb back in the Amenity kit!

Cheers, and I hope TG was awesome,
Richard

United just ordered 50 A321XLRs with deliveries from 2024 aimed at replacing its 757-200 fleet about one-for-one. Expected to enter service the next year. United has also deferred its first Airbus A350-900 delivery by five years to 2027 as part of the XLR deal.

UAX Update:


CR5:
N156GJ entered MLB for interior mod

CR7:
N160GJ exited service. Entered AMA for new livery and start of CR5 mod

E175SC:
N617UX enters service with ExpressJet 4Dec

" United orders 50 Airbus A321XLRs.

United today announced an order to purchase 50 new Airbus A321XLR aircraft, which United plans to begin inducting into it's fleet in 2024. The order enables United to begin replacing and retiring United's existing Boeing 757-200 aircraft and further meet United's operational needs by pairing the optimal aircraft with select transatlantic routes. United will continue to operate our 757-300s. The state-of-the-art A321XLR aircraft, which United expects to introduce into international service sometime toward the end of 2024, will also allow United to explore serving additional destinations in Europe from United's East Coast hubs, EWR and IAD.

“The new Airbus A321XLR aircraft is an ideal one-for-one replacement for the older, less-efficient aircraft currently operating between some of the most vital cities in our intercontinental network,” said United's EVP and Chief Commercial Officer. “In addition to strengthening our ability to fly more efficiently, the A321XLR’s range capabilities open potential new destinations to further develop our route network and provide customers with more options to travel the globe.”

The next-generation A321XLR offers customers an elevated inflight experience and features modern amenities, including LED lighting, larger overhead bin space and Wi-Fi connectivity. United is in the very early stages of selecting features and amenities for this aircraft. However, United does plan to feature an intercontinental configuration for the A321XLR.

Additionally, the new aircraft lowers overall fuel burn per seat by approximately 30% when compared to previous generation aircraft, enabling United to further minimize United's environmental impact as United moves toward it's ambitious goal of reducing the carbon footprint by 50% relative to 2005 levels by 2050. United has been looking for Boeing 757-200 replacements for quite some time and are confident that the A321XLR is the right replacement aircraft, since it has better fuel savings, better economics and the right range for these specific transatlantic routes.

Additionally, United will defer the delivery of the Airbus A350s ordered several years ago until 2027 to better align with United's operational needs. By year end 2019, United will have approximately 800 mainline aircraft, a record for the mainline. United maintains a strong orderbook to meet it's growing network and capacity needs and expect to take delivery of over 64 mainline aircraft next year, consisting of 787s, 777-300ERs, 737 MAXs, used A319s and used 737 Next Generation aircraft.

On the widebody side, United has taken delivery of 12 787-8s, 25 787-9s and nine 787-10s, with 13 787-9s and five 787-10s still on order. United has accepted delivery of 18 777-300ERs and expects four more. United currently has 45 A350-900s on order. United also has more than 200 new or used narrowbody aircraft on order. "

Kicking the A-350 can down the road some more.........

CALTECH wrote:

" United orders 50 Airbus A321XLRs.

Additionally, United will defer the delivery of the Airbus A350s ordered several years ago until 2027 to better align with United's operational needs. By year end 2019, United will have approximately 800 mainline aircraft, a record for the mainline. United maintains a strong orderbook to meet it's growing network and capacity needs and expect to take delivery of over 64 mainline aircraft next year, consisting of 787s, 777-300ERs, 737 MAXs, used A319s and used 737 Next Generation aircraft.

On the widebody side, United has taken delivery of 12 787-8s, 25 787-9s and nine 787-10s, with 13 787-9s and five 787-10s still on order. United has accepted delivery of 18 777-300ERs and expects four more. United currently has 45 A350-900s on order. United also has more than 200 new or used narrowbody aircraft on order. "

Kicking the A-350 can down the road some more.........

Can anyone tell me what the original order was (25 -900's I believe?) and when the first delivery date was supposed to be before any deferments and changes? As a passenger who buys my own tickets, and thus generally flies Y, I'm sad to see the delay of planes that will replace the 10 across 777's, but I understand UA position that there is still life in the 777's. I think it is inevitable that fuel prices will go up again in the future, so I guess UA is just betting that that will happen far enough down the road that more fuel efficient planes are less of a priority than the capital costs of new planes.

cosyr wrote:

CALTECH wrote:

" United orders 50 Airbus A321XLRs.

Additionally, United will defer the delivery of the Airbus A350s ordered several years ago until 2027 to better align with United's operational needs. By year end 2019, United will have approximately 800 mainline aircraft, a record for the mainline. United maintains a strong orderbook to meet it's growing network and capacity needs and expect to take delivery of over 64 mainline aircraft next year, consisting of 787s, 777-300ERs, 737 MAXs, used A319s and used 737 Next Generation aircraft.

On the widebody side, United has taken delivery of 12 787-8s, 25 787-9s and nine 787-10s, with 13 787-9s and five 787-10s still on order. United has accepted delivery of 18 777-300ERs and expects four more. United currently has 45 A350-900s on order. United also has more than 200 new or used narrowbody aircraft on order. "

Kicking the A-350 can down the road some more.........

Can anyone tell me what the original order was (25 -900's I believe?) and when the first delivery date was supposed to be before any deferments and changes? As a passenger who buys my own tickets, and thus generally flies Y, I'm sad to see the delay of planes that will replace the 10 across 777's, but I understand UA position that there is still life in the 777's. I think it is inevitable that fuel prices will go up again in the future, so I guess UA is just betting that that will happen far enough down the road that more fuel efficient planes are less of a priority than the capital costs of new planes.

UA can replace the 777-200/ERs with 789s; almost exact same capacity and not add another flight type like the 350.

The777Man

UA up-gauges SFO-SYD to 77W and SFO-AKL down to B787-10 today. Can the B787-10 fly 12.5 hours over the Pacific with full payload? I know for a fact seats on SFO-SYD is in high demand as its a tech route and I heard UA wanted the new Polaris product on the SYD flights ASAP.

cosyr wrote:

CALTECH wrote:

" United orders 50 Airbus A321XLRs.

Additionally, United will defer the delivery of the Airbus A350s ordered several years ago until 2027 to better align with United's operational needs. By year end 2019, United will have approximately 800 mainline aircraft, a record for the mainline. United maintains a strong orderbook to meet it's growing network and capacity needs and expect to take delivery of over 64 mainline aircraft next year, consisting of 787s, 777-300ERs, 737 MAXs, used A319s and used 737 Next Generation aircraft.

On the widebody side, United has taken delivery of 12 787-8s, 25 787-9s and nine 787-10s, with 13 787-9s and five 787-10s still on order. United has accepted delivery of 18 777-300ERs and expects four more. United currently has 45 A350-900s on order. United also has more than 200 new or used narrowbody aircraft on order. "

Kicking the A-350 can down the road some more.........

Can anyone tell me what the original order was (25 -900's I believe?) and when the first delivery date was supposed to be before any deferments and changes? As a passenger who buys my own tickets, and thus generally flies Y, I'm sad to see the delay of planes that will replace the 10 across 777's, but I understand UA position that there is still life in the 777's. I think it is inevitable that fuel prices will go up again in the future, so I guess UA is just betting that that will happen far enough down the road that more fuel efficient planes are less of a priority than the capital costs of new planes.

I believe it was initially 25 A359s with EIS in 2016.

Then it became 35 A35Ks with EIS in 2018; intended as a 747 replacement

Then it became 45 A359s with EIS in 2022 - this was done in Q4, '17, intended now as a B772/E replacement, when the 77W succeeded greatly as a 747 replacement

Now it is the same 45 A359s, but EIS in 2027; what's not listed is the rate. When it became 2022, msot of the deliveries were in 2025-2026.

x1234 wrote:

Can the B787-10 fly 12.5 hours over the Pacific with full payload?

It's not scheduled with any blocked seats so I'd wager it can do the job without passenger restrictions.

Why on earth would united order more of something they have no intention of taking delivery of? Why wouldn't they convert the order now when they signed for the 321's. Their behavior seems like a company that is not ready for the 350, but will be at some point.

jetmatt777 wrote:

Why on earth would united order more of something they have no intention of taking delivery of? Why wouldn't they convert the order now when they signed for the 321's. Their behavior seems like a company that is not ready for the 350, but will be at some point.

I think they do have the intention to get it. As others have said, the 787 is an ok replacement for the 772's for seat capacity, but I don't think it has the payload that UA might want for cargo and pax on their longest routes. The 359 has closer, and it is more fuel efficient than the 772, but the 772's don't have to be replaced just yet. Personally, I think they're being short sighted, because I think they will want them sooner, but I do believe they will ultimately get them. I don't see the 777x at UA, and someday the 77E/A's have to be retired. UA will not be happy if their largest planes are 787's.

cosyr wrote:

jetmatt777 wrote:

Why on earth would united order more of something they have no intention of taking delivery of? Why wouldn't they convert the order now when they signed for the 321's. Their behavior seems like a company that is not ready for the 350, but will be at some point.

I think they do have the intention to get it. As others have said, the 787 is an ok replacement for the 772's for seat capacity, but I don't think it has the payload that UA might want for cargo and pax on their longest routes. The 359 has closer, and it is more fuel efficient than the 772, but the 772's don't have to be replaced just yet. Personally, I think they're being short sighted, because I think they will want them sooner, but I do believe they will ultimately get them. I don't see the 777x at UA, and someday the 77E/A's have to be retired. UA will not be happy if their largest planes are 787's.

This is from an Investor Conference presentation in early 2018:



Some of the metrics may have changed, but there is clear thinking as recently as last year of why the A359 has a place and the combination of 787-9/10 won't be able to fully replace all current 77E routes.

The last point about 'existing A350-1000 order was used' point led into the next slide which explained the 45 count order of A359s.

PMUA placed an order for 25 A350-900s and 25 787-8s in December 2009. Delivery of the two types set for "between 2016 and 2019." A350s were intended to replace 747s, and 787s were set to replace 767s. 777s were new enough that replacement wasn't being talked about.

https://www.cnbc.com/id/34325447

I tried to find another news writeup that more explicitly stated this, but my reading of that order was that it was a way for Glenn Tilton to signal to CO that UA's balance sheet was finally strong enough that it had the ability to buy its own planes again and not exclusively rely on a merger partner for new planes. Before that order, CO called off merger talks because of PMUA's relatively weak financial health in 2008.

25 frames each for delivery slots so far out from both manufacturers always felt like a placeholder. Keep in mind that the executive team that placed that order was out within less than a year. CO's 787s were already coming online long before PMUA's 787s were, so by the time they were on the property, it was easy to start taking the PMUA deliveries.

Then, the Smisek-led UA upped the order to 35 A350-1000s in June 2013. Delivery set to begin in 2018.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/todayint ... y/2440665/

The order was then increased in September 2017 to 45 A350-900s with delivery from 2022-2027. Note that there was another leadership change: Oscar and Scott were at the helm by this point, and as we all know, UA is now a different airline than it was under Jeff Smisek or Glenn Tilton. This was also the first time UA said that the A350 would be a 777 replacement.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-airb ... SKCN1BH1P8

Now, the same team has pushed it out to 2027 and beyond. But if we're being honest, that's honestly the right time to start talking about 777 retirements. By 2027, the oldest 777 will be 32 years old. 2022 always seemed a little too soon to start retiring 777s. To me, that makes a lot more sense than anything else.

I also think there probably was some truth to Rolls Royce being the holdup in UA trying to cancel these.

x1234 wrote:

UA up-gauges SFO-SYD to 77W and SFO-AKL down to B787-10 today. Can the B787-10 fly 12.5 hours over the Pacific with full payload? I know for a fact seats on SFO-SYD is in high demand as its a tech route and I heard UA wanted the new Polaris product on the SYD flights ASAP.

It flies EWR-TLV every night. It’s a great plane performing above expectations......people are going to have to start accepting that.

319:
N853UA sked to exit LCQ 2693/5Dec in 12F config

772:
N787UA entered XMN maint 2738/3Dec, already has Polaris

78X:
N12010 B1 flight today at CHS. 2 UA 78X units on CHS flightline. Couldn't see if N14011 had full paint, but tail is EvoBlu

Re the 78X, wow 61 more seats than the 772E Polaris aircraft. It's closer to the 77W than the 772ER in total seats. I know 44 Polaris is a bit behind the 50 on the 772E and 60 on the 77W.

As to TLV-EWR its about 700 NM farther than TLV-EWR, but maybe winds aren't as bad on SFO-AKL. NOTE: 78X stated range is 6430nm, SFO-AKL is 5663nm (767 more). UA seems to make BOM work with a distance of 6784 and ranges of 772E 7065nm (281 more) and 77W 7370nm (586 more).

With Munoz handing the reigns to Kirby, do we think this will have any impact on the new Small Narrowbody discussion, or the pilot negotiations? Kirby was at AA when they made the decision to phase out the E190's, but at the same time, if UA got a 100 seater, it would be a newer generation of plane than the E190. Kirby has been given a reputation at UA, and on this site, based on his time at AA, but this will be the first time at either airline, that he will be completely in the driver's seat. Do we really know what his positions are on certain models, employee relations, hard product development, soft product cost cutting, etc?

78J
Suspect N12010 B2 is to PDX for paint.

Deliveries order
N12010
N14011
N29975
N13013
N24976
N29977
N29978
N13014
N24979
N24980
All out of CHS

cosyr wrote:

With Munoz handing the reigns to Kirby, do we think this will have any impact on the new Small Narrowbody discussion, or the pilot negotiations?

Every time I've heard "the economics for 100 seaters don't work," it's come from Scott Kirby's mouth. Those statements have come in the A220-100 and E190-E2 era.

adamblang wrote:

cosyr wrote:

With Munoz handing the reigns to Kirby, do we think this will have any impact on the new Small Narrowbody discussion, or the pilot negotiations?

Every time I've heard "the economics for 100 seaters don't work," it's come from Scott Kirby's mouth. Those statements have come in the A220-100 and E190-E2 era.

This^^

Kirby has said our hub structure does not support 100seaters. He said they work for Delta due to the mega hub in ATL.

However he wants unlimited 76 seaters, the pilot group is not going to give it to him.

78X:
I didn't mention in my last post, but N12010 is fully painted in EvoBlu on the ramp at CHS. Saw it in person last night. N14011 has at least tail painted and is also outside on the ramp.

CriticalPoint wrote:

adamblang wrote:

cosyr wrote:

With Munoz handing the reigns to Kirby, do we think this will have any impact on the new Small Narrowbody discussion, or the pilot negotiations?

Every time I've heard "the economics for 100 seaters don't work," it's come from Scott Kirby's mouth. Those statements have come in the A220-100 and E190-E2 era.

This^^

Kirby has said our hub structure does not support 100seaters. He said they work for Delta due to the mega hub in ATL.

However he wants unlimited 76 seaters, the pilot group is not going to give it to him.

Does the coming Scope fight with ALPA have anything to do with the timing of Oscar Munoz's departure? He leaves as the "good guy" and therefore, Scott Kirby gets the battle, potential scars and all? It seems clear that Kirby will keep pushing for greater Scope relief, but I just can't see the UA-ALPA pilot group giving it to him.

So... Press and press and press and let it go to arbitration and take any morsels you can get..?

One more thing - the economics of 100 seaters just doesn't work for UAL? Yet 70 seat E-175s do and (even worse), 50 seat CRJ-700s (nee CRJ-550s) do?

LGeneReese wrote:

78J
Suspect N12010 B2 is to PDX for paint.

Deliveries order
N12010
N14011
N29975
N13013
N24976
N29977
N29978
N13014
N24979
N24980
All out of CHS

Oops, missed N12012.. 13014 comes somewhere after 982.

calpsafltskeds wrote:

319:
N853UA sked to exit LCQ 2693/5Dec in 12F config

772:
N787UA entered XMN maint 2738/3Dec, already has Polaris

78X:
N12010 B1 flight today at CHS. 2 UA 78X units on CHS flightline. Couldn't see if N14011 had full paint, but tail is EvoBlu

Re the 78X, wow 61 more seats than the 772E Polaris aircraft. It's closer to the 77W than the 772ER in total seats. I know 44 Polaris is a bit behind the 50 on the 772E and 60 on the 77W.

As to TLV-EWR its about 700 NM farther than TLV-EWR, but maybe winds aren't as bad on SFO-AKL. NOTE: 78X stated range is 6430nm, SFO-AKL is 5663nm (767 more). UA seems to make BOM work with a distance of 6784 and ranges of 772E 7065nm (281 more) and 77W 7370nm (586 more).

When did 78X change. It has 318 ttl seats while 77E Polaris has 276. Only 42 more.
Of course unless you meant 789 Polaris at 257 seats. That makes 61..

With so much happening over the past few days I almost for got that today December 05, 2019 is the inaugural flight for UA104 SFO-DEL.

jayunited wrote:

With so much happening over the past few days I almost for got that today December 05, 2019 is the inaugural flight for UA104 SFO-DEL.

Which means only 10 days from EWR-CPT!!!!

How many 78X’s does UA have on order? I’m seeing both 14 and 25.

KVH68 wrote:

kaitakfan wrote:

KVH68 wrote:

N794UA has a return to service date of November 19

N795UA has a return to service date of December 9

On this subject of return to service, how is 6672 looking in HKG? 11/25 still on track?

Computer shows December 17 for 6672

Any chance for an update please? 6672 still showing the 17th for an exit date?

Thank you!

Can the 789 make SFO-BOM as BOM enjoys high yields from EWR.

intotheair wrote:

PMUA placed an order for 25 A350-900s and 25 787-8s in December 2009. Delivery of the two types set for "between 2016 and 2019." A350s were intended to replace 747s, and 787s were set to replace 767s. 777s were new enough that replacement wasn't being talked about.

https://www.cnbc.com/id/34325447

I tried to find another news writeup that more explicitly stated this, but my reading of that order was that it was a way for Glenn Tilton to signal to CO that UA's balance sheet was finally strong enough that it had the ability to buy its own planes again and not exclusively rely on a merger partner for new planes. Before that order, CO called off merger talks because of PMUA's relatively weak financial health in 2008.

25 frames each for delivery slots so far out from both manufacturers always felt like a placeholder. Keep in mind that the executive team that placed that order was out within less than a year. CO's 787s were already coming online long before PMUA's 787s were, so by the time they were on the property, it was easy to start taking the PMUA deliveries.

Then, the Smisek-led UA upped the order to 35 A350-1000s in June 2013. Delivery set to begin in 2018.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/todayint ... y/2440665/

The order was then increased in September 2017 to 45 A350-900s with delivery from 2022-2027. Note that there was another leadership change: Oscar and Scott were at the helm by this point, and as we all know, UA is now a different airline than it was under Jeff Smisek or Glenn Tilton. This was also the first time UA said that the A350 would be a 777 replacement.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-airb ... SKCN1BH1P8

Now, the same team has pushed it out to 2027 and beyond. But if we're being honest, that's honestly the right time to start talking about 777 retirements. By 2027, the oldest 777 will be 32 years old. 2022 always seemed a little too soon to start retiring 777s. To me, that makes a lot more sense than anything else.

I also think there probably was some truth to Rolls Royce being the holdup in UA trying to cancel these.

I don't get the logic. If they're getting rid of all of the same-aged 752's by 2024, shouldn't we expect at least some of the 777-200's and ER's to go before 2027?

cosyr wrote:

CALTECH wrote:

" United orders 50 Airbus A321XLRs.

Additionally, United will defer the delivery of the Airbus A350s ordered several years ago until 2027 to better align with United's operational needs. By year end 2019, United will have approximately 800 mainline aircraft, a record for the mainline. United maintains a strong orderbook to meet it's growing network and capacity needs and expect to take delivery of over 64 mainline aircraft next year, consisting of 787s, 777-300ERs, 737 MAXs, used A319s and used 737 Next Generation aircraft.

On the widebody side, United has taken delivery of 12 787-8s, 25 787-9s and nine 787-10s, with 13 787-9s and five 787-10s still on order. United has accepted delivery of 18 777-300ERs and expects four more. United currently has 45 A350-900s on order. United also has more than 200 new or used narrowbody aircraft on order. "

Kicking the A-350 can down the road some more.........

Can anyone tell me what the original order was (25 -900's I believe?) and when the first delivery date was supposed to be before any deferments and changes? As a passenger who buys my own tickets, and thus generally flies Y, I'm sad to see the delay of planes that will replace the 10 across 777's, but I understand UA position that there is still life in the 777's. I think it is inevitable that fuel prices will go up again in the future, so I guess UA is just betting that that will happen far enough down the road that more fuel efficient planes are less of a priority than the capital costs of new planes.

Yeah it's weird. The 752's from 94-00 will all be junked in 2024, but the 777's from the same period will be sticking around past 2027. I don't get it.

1989worstyear wrote:

I don't get the logic. If they're getting rid of all of the same-aged 752's by 2024, shouldn't we expect at least some of the 777-200's and ER's to go before 2027?

First, they're not getting rid of ALL the 752s BY 2024, that's when the 321XLRs START showing up to replace the 757s on Trans-Atlantic and PS duty. They will arrive over a few years and the 757s will depart, correspondingly, over a few years.

The 772s will start retiring in approximately 2027. A few may need to go earlier than that, in which case UA would shuffle equipment to cover that capacity with some other aircraft that could do a shorter and/or lower cargo route. The 777s, however, do a lot fewer cycles a day than any of the narrowbodies, including the 757s, owing to longer stage lengths... that translates to a longer service life if they're certified to the same number of cycles (I doubt they are, but I don't know the numbers offhand).

Looks like UA daily service EWR to GRU was upgauged to the 77W since Dec, 4th. Haven't heard about this.
Will this be a permanent equipment change?

Anyway, nice to see it around.
Can't wait to see its 77W with the new livery around.

Now AA has a same size competitor from NY area to GRU.

https://fr24.com/UAL148/231676f5

Looking at April (for which the widebody schedule should be final...) shows it is back to a 772.

I hope the 77W makes its way down to IAH soon, I thought IAH-GRU would get this first.

AVENSAB727 wrote:

I hope the 77W makes its way down to IAH soon, I thought IAH-GRU would get this first.

IAH-GRU would probably get upgauged from a 763 to a 772 before making the huge jump up to a 77W...

Has there been any pictures of the retrofitted 757-200s yet?

Why do people keep referring to PS service. That died many years ago.

Nicknuzzii wrote:

How many 78X’s does UA have on order? I’m seeing both 14 and 25.

14 are officially confirmed and will all deliver ‘20. The additional 11 are, as I understand it, unconfirmed at this time, but are ‘definitely’ coming starting ‘24. I will humbly defer to anyone with more knowledge on the matter.

TrafficCop wrote:

jayunited wrote:

With so much happening over the past few days I almost for got that today December 05, 2019 is the inaugural flight for UA104 SFO-DEL.

Which means only 10 days from EWR-CPT!!!!

Although it is only the first month of service, bookings look pretty strong for the remainder of the month...but first class looks a little weak on certain days...

1989worstyear wrote:

cosyr wrote:

CALTECH wrote:

" United orders 50 Airbus A321XLRs.

Additionally, United will defer the delivery of the Airbus A350s ordered several years ago until 2027 to better align with United's operational needs. By year end 2019, United will have approximately 800 mainline aircraft, a record for the mainline. United maintains a strong orderbook to meet it's growing network and capacity needs and expect to take delivery of over 64 mainline aircraft next year, consisting of 787s, 777-300ERs, 737 MAXs, used A319s and used 737 Next Generation aircraft.

On the widebody side, United has taken delivery of 12 787-8s, 25 787-9s and nine 787-10s, with 13 787-9s and five 787-10s still on order. United has accepted delivery of 18 777-300ERs and expects four more. United currently has 45 A350-900s on order. United also has more than 200 new or used narrowbody aircraft on order. "

Kicking the A-350 can down the road some more.........

Can anyone tell me what the original order was (25 -900's I believe?) and when the first delivery date was supposed to be before any deferments and changes? As a passenger who buys my own tickets, and thus generally flies Y, I'm sad to see the delay of planes that will replace the 10 across 777's, but I understand UA position that there is still life in the 777's. I think it is inevitable that fuel prices will go up again in the future, so I guess UA is just betting that that will happen far enough down the road that more fuel efficient planes are less of a priority than the capital costs of new planes.

Yeah it's weird. The 752's from 94-00 will all be junked in 2024, but the 777's from the same period will be sticking around past 2027. I don't get it.

The HD 772As probably won't make it to 2027 (I still expect them to be replaced by higher density 764s backfilled by 789s on long haul routes) but the 77Es will generally have lower cycles than comparably aged 757s. Even if the CO 757s have spent 15 years mostly on TATL flights, that is still more cycles than routes like BOM/DEL/HKG/SYD that the 777s have been used on.