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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:31 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
Once all the MD80s and 767s are gone and the 321 retrofit is complete then AA's fleet will be perfect.


Nothing is perfect about a 321 retrofitted with 30" pitch.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:48 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
OB1504 wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Once all the MD80s and 767s are gone and the 321 retrofit is complete then AA's fleet will be perfect.


757s are looking pretty tired and they don’t have enough life left in them to make a new interior worth it. I don’t think any of the A320s have been retrofitted yet either.


Do we know when the 757s will be gone?


Expect the LUS 757s to be gone by YE2019 or early 2020. I have seen no schedule for the remaining LAA 757s retirement.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:01 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
Once all the MD80s and 767s are gone and the 321 retrofit is complete then AA's fleet will be perfect.


If by perfect you also mean boring, and the same as every other airline will have, then yes, their fleet will be perfect. Also, no longer having a 2-3 cabin in the mainline fleet will be unfortunate. I can't understand how people on an aviation site want nothing but 737s, A320s, A350s and 787s flying around everywhere. Boring...

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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 6:12 pm

SESGDL wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Once all the MD80s and 767s are gone and the 321 retrofit is complete then AA's fleet will be perfect.


If by perfect you also mean boring, and the same as every other airline will have, then yes, their fleet will be perfect. Also, no longer having a 2-3 cabin in the mainline fleet will be unfortunate. I can't understand how people on an aviation site want nothing but 737s, A320s, A350s and 787s flying around everywhere. Boring...

Jeremy

The aircraft's you listed is highly capable for a wide set of missions for airlines.What else would you pick? Since this is a AA thread, They are going to have the A32X family, B737MAX8, A332, B788, B789, and B77W. What else would they add to make it unboring?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 6:40 pm

SESGDL wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Once all the MD80s and 767s are gone and the 321 retrofit is complete then AA's fleet will be perfect.


If by perfect you also mean boring, and the same as every other airline will have, then yes, their fleet will be perfect. Also, no longer having a 2-3 cabin in the mainline fleet will be unfortunate. I can't understand how people on an aviation site want nothing but 737s, A320s, A350s and 787s flying around everywhere. Boring...

Jeremy


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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 6:54 pm

Is it feasible that we could, in maybe 10 years, see AA with the following as a greatly simplified fleet?

A320 (319, 321, 321neo)
B737 (-800, -8Max)
B777 (-300ER)
B787 (-8, -9)

No more 190, S80, 757, 767, 772, 320, 330.

I guess its possible that we could see new additions in that time frame? A220, NMA, 787-10, ...?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:18 pm

anymaninfc wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
OB1504 wrote:

757s are looking pretty tired and they don’t have enough life left in them to make a new interior worth it. I don’t think any of the A320s have been retrofitted yet either.


Do we know when the 757s will be gone?


Expect the LUS 757s to be gone by YE2019 or early 2020. I have seen no schedule for the remaining LAA 757s retirement.


Everyone will be clamoring for LAA 757 when they try 38M with 30" pitch.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:25 pm

Everyone will be clamoring for LAA 757 when they try 38M with 30" pitch.[/quote]

Could not agree more, the 757 will be greatly missed.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:42 pm

mikejepp wrote:
Is it feasible that we could, in maybe 10 years, see AA with the following as a greatly simplified fleet?

A320 (319, 321, 321neo)
B737 (-800, -8Max)
B777 (-300ER)
B787 (-8, -9)

No more 190, S80, 757, 767, 772, 320, 330.

I guess its possible that we could see new additions in that time frame? A220, NMA, 787-10, ...?


I have to think that AA is going to be a significant buyer of the 797. It fits so nicely in between the A321 and B788. Or to order them by size:

A319
B738
A321
B797
B788
B789
B773

Their 773 will be pushing 15 years old at that point, so we may see the 779 in the fleet in 10 years as well.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:00 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
OB1504 wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Once all the MD80s and 767s are gone and the 321 retrofit is complete then AA's fleet will be perfect.


757s are looking pretty tired and they don’t have enough life left in them to make a new interior worth it. I don’t think any of the A320s have been retrofitted yet either.


Do we know when the 757s will be gone?


I read in an article last year that the 10 remaining LUS 757s (used on Hawaii flights) will be gone either the end of this year or 2020.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:47 pm

Looking at Flightaware it appears the first NEO has a plan filed to ferry it from PIT to DFW today(6th).
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:58 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
Once all the MD80s and 767s are gone and the 321 retrofit is complete then AA's fleet will be perfect.


Yes, it will be perfect. Perfectly void of any personality, that is.
Did you know that a Boeing 717-200 is really a McDonnell Douglas MD95-30? ;-)
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:01 am

ONONONONONON wrote:
Looking at Flightaware it appears the first NEO has a plan filed to ferry it from PIT to DFW today(6th).

Currently airborne. Expected arrival time into DFW listed at 1828.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9709
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:05 pm

anymaninfc wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
OB1504 wrote:

757s are looking pretty tired and they don’t have enough life left in them to make a new interior worth it. I don’t think any of the A320s have been retrofitted yet either.


Do we know when the 757s will be gone?


Expect the LUS 757s to be gone by YE2019 or early 2020. I have seen no schedule for the remaining LAA 757s retirement.


Oh no the LAA 757s, 24 of them remaining, still have some time left with the airline. I would say the retirement of those will take place sometimes between 2024 and 2028, of course this can change if they decide to accelerate the retirement of those for example if the price of oil increases. The last one will leave before 2030. that's for sure, even if the price of jet fuel doesn't increase. I flew on one recently from MIA to JFK, quite a good flight, comfy in the main cabin, the airplane didn't seem to be that old. I couldn't get the reg.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:58 pm

The first NEO is now en route DFW-PHX

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9709
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:40 pm

osupoke07 wrote:
mikejepp wrote:
Is it feasible that we could, in maybe 10 years, see AA with the following as a greatly simplified fleet?

A320 (319, 321, 321neo)
B737 (-800, -8Max)
B777 (-300ER)
B787 (-8, -9)

No more 190, S80, 757, 767, 772, 320, 330.

I guess its possible that we could see new additions in that time frame? A220, NMA, 787-10, ...?


I have to think that AA is going to be a significant buyer of the 797. It fits so nicely in between the A321 and B788. Or to order them by size:

A319
B738
A321
B797
B788
B789
B773

Their 773 will be pushing 15 years old at that point, so we may see the 779 in the fleet in 10 years as well.



I think you are pretty spot on, except the 773's will have low cycles..I think they will squeeze 20-22, maybe even 25 years as those will back fill on some 772 routes as they go out the door later on, all filled in with 779's or more 789's. once all said and done, I'd expect AA to go far around 75-80 797's probably in batches of 25-40 at a whack. Eventually, if all pans out, 125 frames by 2035-2040.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:14 pm

Tan Flyr wrote:
osupoke07 wrote:
mikejepp wrote:
Is it feasible that we could, in maybe 10 years, see AA with the following as a greatly simplified fleet?

A320 (319, 321, 321neo)
B737 (-800, -8Max)
B777 (-300ER)
B787 (-8, -9)

No more 190, S80, 757, 767, 772, 320, 330.

I guess its possible that we could see new additions in that time frame? A220, NMA, 787-10, ...?


I have to think that AA is going to be a significant buyer of the 797. It fits so nicely in between the A321 and B788. Or to order them by size:

A319
B738
A321
B797
B788
B789
B773

Their 773 will be pushing 15 years old at that point, so we may see the 779 in the fleet in 10 years as well.



I think you are pretty spot on, except the 773's will have low cycles..I think they will squeeze 20-22, maybe even 25 years as those will back fill on some 772 routes as they go out the door later on, all filled in with 779's or more 789's. once all said and done, I'd expect AA to go far around 75-80 797's probably in batches of 25-40 at a whack. Eventually, if all pans out, 125 frames by 2035-2040.


Unfeasible. AA gone all-in on the A321 and 787. No room left between them. What are they gonna 797 on? Europe? They're already deploying 787 there and have more than enough 787 to send 'em to ANC or CUN. Transcons? Hawaii? South America? A321neo got that all filled in.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:43 pm

 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:38 pm

Swadian wrote:
Tan Flyr wrote:
I think you are pretty spot on, except the 773's will have low cycles..I think they will squeeze 20-22, maybe even 25 years as those will back fill on some 772 routes as they go out the door later on, all filled in with 779's or more 789's. once all said and done, I'd expect AA to go far around 75-80 797's probably in batches of 25-40 at a whack. Eventually, if all pans out, 125 frames by 2035-2040.


Unfeasible. AA gone all-in on the A321 and 787. No room left between them. What are they gonna 797 on? Europe? They're already deploying 787 there and have more than enough 787 to send 'em to ANC or CUN. Transcons? Hawaii? South America? A321neo got that all filled in.


What do you think is unfeasible about that?

I see a number of potential uses for the 797 for AA:

1. Replace 757 TATL flying and increase secondary Europe destinations from PHL
(these routes will be replaced well before 797 comes around, but I'm assuming current 757 routes will revert to 797 if AA brings it in)

2. Replace 332/333 flying out of PHL since the subfleet is so small

3. Replace 788 TATL from ORD and increase number of destinations
(I have to presume the 797 will be cheaper to fly and will only be a modest decrease in capacity)

4. Increase capacity on hub to hub routes
(Recently flew a DFW to CLT on an A321 and it was packed, I'm sure AA would love to have 40% more seats on those flights)

5. Increase routes and capacity on long thin routes to South America from LAX / DFW / MIA

6. Increase premium seats on trans-con flying from LAX to supplement the A321T, maybe DCA if it can fly into there

7. Allow for re-deployment of 788 fleet to open new long range missions
LAX (East Asia / South Pacific), maybe PHX (limited Asia), DFW (Asia) and CLT / PHL /MIA (Primary Europe / Africa / South America)

8. Reduce frequencies in markets where it makes sense to combat the pilot shortage.
737/321 markets with 4-5 flights a day could maybe move to 3-4 737/321 and 1 797 flight

9. Replace domestic wide body flying since you don't really need the range of a 777 to fly DFW to LAX, but they need the positioning and capacity

I agree that AA will utilize the 321neo and its current 788 fleet to its fullest potential, but I think come 2025-2030, the 797 can compliment the 321neo really well where a capacity increase is needed, but the range of the 788 is not.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:24 am

osupoke07 wrote:
Swadian wrote:
Tan Flyr wrote:
I think you are pretty spot on, except the 773's will have low cycles..I think they will squeeze 20-22, maybe even 25 years as those will back fill on some 772 routes as they go out the door later on, all filled in with 779's or more 789's. once all said and done, I'd expect AA to go far around 75-80 797's probably in batches of 25-40 at a whack. Eventually, if all pans out, 125 frames by 2035-2040.


Unfeasible. AA gone all-in on the A321 and 787. No room left between them. What are they gonna 797 on? Europe? They're already deploying 787 there and have more than enough 787 to send 'em to ANC or CUN. Transcons? Hawaii? South America? A321neo got that all filled in.


What do you think is unfeasible about that?

I see a number of potential uses for the 797 for AA:

1. Replace 757 TATL flying and increase secondary Europe destinations from PHL
(these routes will be replaced well before 797 comes around, but I'm assuming current 757 routes will revert to 797 if AA brings it in)

2. Replace 332/333 flying out of PHL since the subfleet is so small

3. Replace 788 TATL from ORD and increase number of destinations
(I have to presume the 797 will be cheaper to fly and will only be a modest decrease in capacity)

4. Increase capacity on hub to hub routes
(Recently flew a DFW to CLT on an A321 and it was packed, I'm sure AA would love to have 40% more seats on those flights)

5. Increase routes and capacity on long thin routes to South America from LAX / DFW / MIA

6. Increase premium seats on trans-con flying from LAX to supplement the A321T, maybe DCA if it can fly into there

7. Allow for re-deployment of 788 fleet to open new long range missions
LAX (East Asia / South Pacific), maybe PHX (limited Asia), DFW (Asia) and CLT / PHL /MIA (Primary Europe / Africa / South America)

8. Reduce frequencies in markets where it makes sense to combat the pilot shortage.
737/321 markets with 4-5 flights a day could maybe move to 3-4 737/321 and 1 797 flight

9. Replace domestic wide body flying since you don't really need the range of a 777 to fly DFW to LAX, but they need the positioning and capacity

I agree that AA will utilize the 321neo and its current 788 fleet to its fullest potential, but I think come 2025-2030, the 797 can compliment the 321neo really well where a capacity increase is needed, but the range of the 788 is not.


1. A321neo has range for 75L routes, and 788 for the rest.
2. A333 already replaced with 789. A332 replaced with 788 down the road. 797 too much decrease in capacity.
3. Decrease in capacity over 788 not worth it.
4. A321 more efficient than 797 on routes as short as DFW-CLT. Neither are slot / gate restricted.
5. Long, thin routes exactly what 788 designed for.
6. A321T has more premium seats than 788, 789, A332, A333, 763, 75L. What makes you think 797 will "increase" premium seats?
7. AA has so many 788, they're using them on ANC and CUN. Don't need 797 to backfill 788.
8. Better off replacing RJ with mainline and A319, A320, 738 with A321 than using 797. Shortage is at bottom end, not middle or top.
9. Domestic widebodies are for positioning or excess winter capacity. Not gonna change with 797.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:51 am

Swadian wrote:
osupoke07 wrote:
Swadian wrote:

Unfeasible. AA gone all-in on the A321 and 787. No room left between them. What are they gonna 797 on? Europe? They're already deploying 787 there and have more than enough 787 to send 'em to ANC or CUN. Transcons? Hawaii? South America? A321neo got that all filled in.


What do you think is unfeasible about that?

I see a number of potential uses for the 797 for AA:

1. Replace 757 TATL flying and increase secondary Europe destinations from PHL
(these routes will be replaced well before 797 comes around, but I'm assuming current 757 routes will revert to 797 if AA brings it in)

2. Replace 332/333 flying out of PHL since the subfleet is so small

3. Replace 788 TATL from ORD and increase number of destinations
(I have to presume the 797 will be cheaper to fly and will only be a modest decrease in capacity)

4. Increase capacity on hub to hub routes
(Recently flew a DFW to CLT on an A321 and it was packed, I'm sure AA would love to have 40% more seats on those flights)

5. Increase routes and capacity on long thin routes to South America from LAX / DFW / MIA

6. Increase premium seats on trans-con flying from LAX to supplement the A321T, maybe DCA if it can fly into there

7. Allow for re-deployment of 788 fleet to open new long range missions
LAX (East Asia / South Pacific), maybe PHX (limited Asia), DFW (Asia) and CLT / PHL /MIA (Primary Europe / Africa / South America)

8. Reduce frequencies in markets where it makes sense to combat the pilot shortage.
737/321 markets with 4-5 flights a day could maybe move to 3-4 737/321 and 1 797 flight

9. Replace domestic wide body flying since you don't really need the range of a 777 to fly DFW to LAX, but they need the positioning and capacity

I agree that AA will utilize the 321neo and its current 788 fleet to its fullest potential, but I think come 2025-2030, the 797 can compliment the 321neo really well where a capacity increase is needed, but the range of the 788 is not.


1. A321neo has range for 75L routes, and 788 for the rest.
2. A333 already replaced with 789. A332 replaced with 788 down the road. 797 too much decrease in capacity.
3. Decrease in capacity over 788 not worth it.
4. A321 more efficient than 797 on routes as short as DFW-CLT. Neither are slot / gate restricted.
5. Long, thin routes exactly what 788 designed for.
6. A321T has more premium seats than 788, 789, A332, A333, 763, 75L. What makes you think 797 will "increase" premium seats?
7. AA has so many 788, they're using them on ANC and CUN. Don't need 797 to backfill 788.
8. Better off replacing RJ with mainline and A319, A320, 738 with A321 than using 797. Shortage is at bottom end, not middle or top.
9. Domestic widebodies are for positioning or excess winter capacity. Not gonna change with 797.


The 787s did a ton of domestic flying and Cancun over the winter because they were expecting the AA/QF JV to be approved before then. So if it gets approved... they'll be moving them down south.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:45 pm

Is Oasis going to slow down in the summer months? I wonder by when they're going to have 100 737s retrofitted. They are at 70 right now.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:50 pm

Noticed two odd MD-80 rotations in the past two days. N9628W did DFW-ORD-PIT-ORD-DFW yesterday and N9630A did DFW-ORD-LGA-DFW earlier today.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:08 am

Ishrion wrote:
Swadian wrote:
osupoke07 wrote:

What do you think is unfeasible about that?

I see a number of potential uses for the 797 for AA:

1. Replace 757 TATL flying and increase secondary Europe destinations from PHL
(these routes will be replaced well before 797 comes around, but I'm assuming current 757 routes will revert to 797 if AA brings it in)

2. Replace 332/333 flying out of PHL since the subfleet is so small

3. Replace 788 TATL from ORD and increase number of destinations
(I have to presume the 797 will be cheaper to fly and will only be a modest decrease in capacity)

4. Increase capacity on hub to hub routes
(Recently flew a DFW to CLT on an A321 and it was packed, I'm sure AA would love to have 40% more seats on those flights)

5. Increase routes and capacity on long thin routes to South America from LAX / DFW / MIA

6. Increase premium seats on trans-con flying from LAX to supplement the A321T, maybe DCA if it can fly into there

7. Allow for re-deployment of 788 fleet to open new long range missions
LAX (East Asia / South Pacific), maybe PHX (limited Asia), DFW (Asia) and CLT / PHL /MIA (Primary Europe / Africa / South America)

8. Reduce frequencies in markets where it makes sense to combat the pilot shortage.
737/321 markets with 4-5 flights a day could maybe move to 3-4 737/321 and 1 797 flight

9. Replace domestic wide body flying since you don't really need the range of a 777 to fly DFW to LAX, but they need the positioning and capacity

I agree that AA will utilize the 321neo and its current 788 fleet to its fullest potential, but I think come 2025-2030, the 797 can compliment the 321neo really well where a capacity increase is needed, but the range of the 788 is not.


1. A321neo has range for 75L routes, and 788 for the rest.
2. A333 already replaced with 789. A332 replaced with 788 down the road. 797 too much decrease in capacity.
3. Decrease in capacity over 788 not worth it.
4. A321 more efficient than 797 on routes as short as DFW-CLT. Neither are slot / gate restricted.
5. Long, thin routes exactly what 788 designed for.
6. A321T has more premium seats than 788, 789, A332, A333, 763, 75L. What makes you think 797 will "increase" premium seats?
7. AA has so many 788, they're using them on ANC and CUN. Don't need 797 to backfill 788.
8. Better off replacing RJ with mainline and A319, A320, 738 with A321 than using 797. Shortage is at bottom end, not middle or top.
9. Domestic widebodies are for positioning or excess winter capacity. Not gonna change with 797.


The 787s did a ton of domestic flying and Cancun over the winter because they were expecting the AA/QF JV to be approved before then. So if it gets approved... they'll be moving them down south.


They have 47 more coming, and A332, 772 aren't going away anytime soon. They can always keep the "older" 772 longer instead of replacing with 789.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:32 am

Swadian wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Swadian wrote:

1. A321neo has range for 75L routes, and 788 for the rest.
2. A333 already replaced with 789. A332 replaced with 788 down the road. 797 too much decrease in capacity.
3. Decrease in capacity over 788 not worth it.
4. A321 more efficient than 797 on routes as short as DFW-CLT. Neither are slot / gate restricted.
5. Long, thin routes exactly what 788 designed for.
6. A321T has more premium seats than 788, 789, A332, A333, 763, 75L. What makes you think 797 will "increase" premium seats?
7. AA has so many 788, they're using them on ANC and CUN. Don't need 797 to backfill 788.
8. Better off replacing RJ with mainline and A319, A320, 738 with A321 than using 797. Shortage is at bottom end, not middle or top.
9. Domestic widebodies are for positioning or excess winter capacity. Not gonna change with 797.


The 787s did a ton of domestic flying and Cancun over the winter because they were expecting the AA/QF JV to be approved before then. So if it gets approved... they'll be moving them down south.


They have 47 more coming, and A332, 772 aren't going away anytime soon. They can always keep the "older" 772 longer instead of replacing with 789.


It's because the 772's were certified in the late 90s, right?

2002-03 built 763: old and aging.

1998 built 772: high CASM and economical.

I'm tired of all you people ripping me a new one regarding post-1988 certified designs when you all say the same thing.
Stuck at age 15 thanks to the certification date of the A320-200 and my parents' decision to postpone having a kid by 3 years. At least there's Dignitas...
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:03 am

1989worstyear wrote:
Swadian wrote:
Ishrion wrote:

The 787s did a ton of domestic flying and Cancun over the winter because they were expecting the AA/QF JV to be approved before then. So if it gets approved... they'll be moving them down south.


They have 47 more coming, and A332, 772 aren't going away anytime soon. They can always keep the "older" 772 longer instead of replacing with 789.


It's because the 772's were certified in the late 90s, right?

2002-03 built 763: old and aging.

1998 built 772: high CASM and economical.

I'm tired of all you people ripping me a new one regarding post-1988 certified designs when you all say the same thing.


No, it's because 772 has new interior, RR engines (unlike A333 with oddball PW engines), long range, commonality with 77W, and AA has 47 of them. 763 aren't "old and aging", but have obsolete interior. Don't forget LATAM replaced A332 with newer 763. DL and UA have also diverged from AA in sticking to their 763. Former AA 763 aren't going to the scrapper, but to cargo conversion.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:18 am

Runway28L wrote:
Noticed two odd MD-80 rotations in the past two days. N9628W did DFW-ORD-PIT-ORD-DFW yesterday and N9630A did DFW-ORD-LGA-DFW earlier today.


Those were some lucky folks in ORD and LGA to get a rare treat. What would have precipitated this? I would think AA has enough 738’s to cover equipment swaps.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:31 pm

In the event the FAA grounds the MAX as a result of the investigation of the Ethiopian crash, does anyone know the status of the MD-80's that have already been retired? Could some of those planes be pulled out of storage on short notice to cover the flying? Are there enough MD-80 pilots left to handle that type of situation?
 
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Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:05 pm

No
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:12 pm

Does anyone of our super AA sleuths know the first A321 going in for Oasis and the timeline for it?
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:31 pm

OKCDCA wrote:
In the event the FAA grounds the MAX as a result of the investigation of the Ethiopian crash, does anyone know the status of the MD-80's that have already been retired? Could some of those planes be pulled out of storage on short notice to cover the flying? Are there enough MD-80 pilots left to handle that type of situation?


I don't see American adding anymore used MD-80s to its fleet to cover for the grounding of the MAX. However, what I do see happening in the event that the FAA decides to ground all 737MAX, like they did with the DC-10 40 years ago, is postponing the retirement of the last few MD-80s left in the fleet. I believe there are now 28 or 29 of them left in the fleet at this point. The final retirement could be postponed for another year, if Boeing has to stop the deliveries of the MAX to their customers, during the investigation.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:51 pm

I could maybe see 3 or 4 757's coming back to pick up MIA slack, but thats a strong maybe.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:30 pm

You don’t just go to the desert and fly them back.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:21 pm

AA A321Neo upcoming acft: Mar 4 acft N401AN spotted at XFW (Hamburg) in full c/s with engines installed. Mar 11 acft N402AN spotted at XFW in primer w/o engines.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:21 pm

I would think any possible grounding should be rather brief albeit it also seems as though there’s a training issue. AA should be able to cover the Maxs (about 25 of them around) with the current fleet. Probably will see the return of the MD80 to various airports.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:06 am

Flynclt20 wrote:
Does anyone of our super AA sleuths know the first A321 going in for Oasis and the timeline for it?

I believe middle of the month is the general timeframe for the first one to go in, so sometime this week or early next week.
 
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Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:14 am

Anyone know where the A321s will go for their cabin conversion?
 
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Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:15 am

A grounding isn’t gonna happen. I just saw on World News Tonight that the FAA said they see no reason to ground the plane.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:21 am

In looking at the AA google site for fleet updates, I see under the reconfig section the 738 and 321 which matches to the total in the fleet. But it also shows A322 with 20 in the fleet and 10 being refurb. What plane is that?
https://sites.google.com/site/newamericanfleet/
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:06 am

deltaffindfw wrote:
In looking at the AA google site for fleet updates, I see under the reconfig section the 738 and 321 which matches to the total in the fleet. But it also shows A322 with 20 in the fleet and 10 being refurb. What plane is that?
https://sites.google.com/site/newamericanfleet/


I believe that should be B788, and the number complete is 11 and with 2 in-work. This is the PE mod.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:19 am

How often does that link update? The last time it updated was February 25th.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:28 am

deltaffindfw wrote:
In looking at the AA google site for fleet updates, I see under the reconfig section the 738 and 321 which matches to the total in the fleet. But it also shows A322 with 20 in the fleet and 10 being refurb. What plane is that?
https://sites.google.com/site/newamericanfleet/


What's A322?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:46 am

Detroit313 wrote:
How often does that link update? The last time it updated was February 25th.


Lately, seems like about every two months.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:50 am

I have a DFW-ELP flight booked with AA and the aircraft type is listed “S80” - What does the S stand for?
 
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Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:01 am

Super 80
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:51 pm

anymaninfc wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
How often does that link update? The last time it updated was February 25th.


Lately, seems like about every two months.



Thank You!
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:41 pm

AAs first A321Neo is listed as a A321-253NX, while the next two are showing as A321-251NX. Can anybody tell me what that one digit difference means?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:50 pm

anymaninfc wrote:
AAs first A321Neo is listed as a A321-253NX, while the next two are showing as A321-251NX. Can anybody tell me what that one digit difference means?


The 253 is powered by CFM LEAP-1A33 instead of CFM LEAP-1A32. Don't know what that difference is.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:23 am

Swadian wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:
AAs first A321Neo is listed as a A321-253NX, while the next two are showing as A321-251NX. Can anybody tell me what that one digit difference means?


The 253 is powered by CFM LEAP-1A33 instead of CFM LEAP-1A32. Don't know what that difference is.


Based on this thread; it looks like it has to do with hot & high performance.

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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:21 pm

Have we got word when the next 767-300ER will be retired? (If this hasn't been asked)? Also what is the current status of the Oasis cabins on the Airbus and Boeing aircraft?
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