Narfish641 wrote:

Have we got word when the next 767-300ER will be retired? (If this hasn't been asked)?

As far as I know, 4 or 5 of them are leaving the fleet this year, but I'm not sure exactly when this year.

American 767 wrote:

Narfish641 wrote:

Have we got word when the next 767-300ER will be retired? (If this hasn't been asked)?

As far as I know, 4 or 5 of them are leaving the fleet this year, but I'm not sure exactly when this year.

I'm guessing September or October, when seasonal routes to Europe end.

Narfish641 wrote:

Have we got word when the next 767-300ER will be retired? (If this hasn't been asked)? Also what is the current status of the Oasis cabins on the Airbus and Boeing aircraft?

As of now, 381 is scheduled to be retired on 4/1.

Are the 14 738s with Oasis bin issues back in service?

deltaffindfw wrote:

Are the 14 738s with Oasis bin issues back in service?

Don't believe so. Saw this list posted elsewhere - credit to BOSmw

N801NN - Ferried to TUL 3/8
N803NN - Ferried to BFM 3/7
N808NN - Ferried to TUL 3/8
N815NN - Ferried to SAT 3/7
N817NN - Ferried to BFM 3/7
N823NN - Ferried to PAE 3/3
N829NN- Ferried to MLB 3/8
N831NN- Ferried to TUL 3/8
N833NN- Ferried to SAT 3/7
N836NN- Ferried to TPA 3/7
N838NN- Ferried to GSO 3/7
N843NN- Ferried to TUL 3/8
N845NN- Ferried to PAE 3/7

Along with N839NN and N852NN that have been at PAE for a few weeks already.


Must be quite tight for AA with the MAX's grounded and these 14 out of service.

Will AA bring MD-82s or 757s out of storage to replace the 737 MAX-8?

American 767 wrote:

Narfish641 wrote:

Have we got word when the next 767-300ER will be retired? (If this hasn't been asked)?

As far as I know, 4 or 5 of them are leaving the fleet this year, but I'm not sure exactly when this year.

Actually 9 are scheduled to be retired this year incl. 1 which already has been.

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

American 767 wrote:

Narfish641 wrote:

Have we got word when the next 767-300ER will be retired? (If this hasn't been asked)?

As far as I know, 4 or 5 of them are leaving the fleet this year, but I'm not sure exactly when this year.

Actually 9 are scheduled to be retired this year incl. 1 which already has been.

Perhaps that's where the excess capacity to make up for 738 losses comes from. Also possibly keeping 75H and remaining S80 until the grounding is over.

Highly unlikely they could get anything out of the desert in less than 2-3 months. But they could much easier slow future parking.

Swadian wrote:

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

American 767 wrote:

As far as I know, 4 or 5 of them are leaving the fleet this year, but I'm not sure exactly when this year.

Actually 9 are scheduled to be retired this year incl. 1 which already has been.

Perhaps that's where the excess capacity to make up for 738 losses comes from. Also possibly keeping 75H and remaining S80 until the grounding is over.

They will not be kept, they’ve been to sold to CAM (Amazon) already.

We’ve been ferrying A/C from DFW and other cities all night to MIA to cover some of the MAX flying that was cancelled. Also they will work on A/C routing to have exsisting A/C Cover what they can for the MAX and Oasis frames that are parked. Believe it’s a total of: 38 that are out of service (14 Oasis and 24 MAX). Not good, but they will not be pulling anything from the desert or storage at all. They will cover as much as they can with spares, other A/C type and changing A/C routing.

Once again Max flying was less than 5% of AA’s daily flights. AA has 962 mainline aircraft.

This is not as busy as the peak summer season. Some flights will run late, but most of the schedule can be covered with equipment subs.

38M ferrying today from ANU-PHL AA9658

Flynclt20 wrote:

We’ve been ferrying A/C from DFW and other cities all night to MIA to cover some of the MAX flying that was cancelled. Also they will work on A/C routing to have exsisting A/C Cover what they can for the MAX and Oasis frames that are parked. Believe it’s a total of: 38 that are out of service (14 Oasis and 24 MAX). Not good, but they will not be pulling anything from the desert or storage at all. They will cover as much as they can with spares, other A/C type and changing A/C routing.

I think it would be impossible to even take those frames that are at Roswell back into service at this point. I bet majority of them that have been sitting there for years don't even have any seats nor equipment installed in there anymore (cabin wise).

It's official. The first A321 has gone in for Oasis mods at GSO. N161UW.

Narfish641 wrote:

Flynclt20 wrote:

We’ve been ferrying A/C from DFW and other cities all night to MIA to cover some of the MAX flying that was cancelled. Also they will work on A/C routing to have exsisting A/C Cover what they can for the MAX and Oasis frames that are parked. Believe it’s a total of: 38 that are out of service (14 Oasis and 24 MAX). Not good, but they will not be pulling anything from the desert or storage at all. They will cover as much as they can with spares, other A/C type and changing A/C routing.

I think it would be impossible to even take those frames that are at Roswell back into service at this point. I bet majority of them that have been sitting there for years don't even have any seats nor equipment installed in there anymore (cabin wise).

There are a group of 10 or so MD80 -83 that went to Roswell in August last year. If this grounding of the MAX continues, what is the likelihood that these aircraft will be reactivated? They have been in storage for 6 months at most. Thoughts?

1ffb2002 wrote:

Narfish641 wrote:

Flynclt20 wrote:

We’ve been ferrying A/C from DFW and other cities all night to MIA to cover some of the MAX flying that was cancelled. Also they will work on A/C routing to have exsisting A/C Cover what they can for the MAX and Oasis frames that are parked. Believe it’s a total of: 38 that are out of service (14 Oasis and 24 MAX). Not good, but they will not be pulling anything from the desert or storage at all. They will cover as much as they can with spares, other A/C type and changing A/C routing.

I think it would be impossible to even take those frames that are at Roswell back into service at this point. I bet majority of them that have been sitting there for years don't even have any seats nor equipment installed in there anymore (cabin wise).

There are a group of 10 or so MD80 -83 that went to Roswell in August last year. If this grounding of the MAX continues, what is the likelihood that these aircraft will be reactivated? They have been in storage for 6 months at most. Thoughts?

How many times is the same stupid question going to be asked?

1. They aren’t airworthy
2. No qualified pilots to staff them
3. Not on the AOC anymore
4. Planes are stripped of interiors and parts
5. Many of them are not owned nor leased by AA anymore.

Not even owned, many have been transferred to other operators.

https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Ame ... d80-70.htm

Only five stored still owned parked late last year

https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Ame ... 80-245.htm

Someone should keep track of the more interesting equipment subs AA (and even the other Max operators) will be utilizing with the grounding. Would it warrant its own thread?

Boof02671 wrote:

1ffb2002 wrote:

Narfish641 wrote:

I think it would be impossible to even take those frames that are at Roswell back into service at this point. I bet majority of them that have been sitting there for years don't even have any seats nor equipment installed in there anymore (cabin wise).

There are a group of 10 or so MD80 -83 that went to Roswell in August last year. If this grounding of the MAX continues, what is the likelihood that these aircraft will be reactivated? They have been in storage for 6 months at most. Thoughts?

How many times is the same stupid question going to be asked?

1. They aren’t airworthy
2. No qualified pilots to staff them
3. Not on the AOC anymore
4. Planes are stripped of interiors and parts
5. Many of them are not owned nor leased by AA anymore.

Not even owned, many have been transferred to other operators.

https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Ame ... d80-70.htm

Only five stored still owned parked late last year

https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Ame ... 80-245.htm

No there are 10 that are stored. I was not referring to the aircraft that were transferred to other airlines. I noticed there are two list, those stored and those sent to other airlines. Some of these were parked and STORED (NOT TRANSFERRED) just in August. Some of these STORED MD83s may be waiting for another owner, or in negotiation to be sold, so they may remain in airworthy or near airworthy condition. However, there are only 10 or so possible candidates that might be reactivated from storage.

I am sure there are many B737 pilots who were previously MD80 crew who could be re-certified to fly MD80s once again.

Why do people on this forum have to be so nasty? Your uncivil and quick offensive reply is very ignorant.

AA has a 24 aircraft hole in its schedule that could grow as this ridiculous grounding continues. New MAXs which were anticipated being delivered this year also could be impacted. Good thing it's mid-March and there is probably some slack in the fleet. But looking at schedules for the next day or so, none of the MAX flight have been reinstated on the MIA-LGA route with other aircraft, and its prime season for Florida. This is going to have a revenue impact on AA.

The Max flying was less than 5% of AA’s total flights, and you would have to bid the MD 80 slots to all pilots.

Most of those stored planes would have to undergo a C or D check which cost millions.

Not going to happen.

Reality check.

1ffb2002 wrote:

AA has a 24 aircraft hole in its schedule that could grow as this ridiculous grounding continues. New MAXs which were anticipated being delivered this year also could be impacted. Good thing it's mid-March and there is probably some slack in the fleet. But looking at schedules for the next day or so, none of the MAX flight have been reinstated on the MIA-LGA route with other aircraft, and its prime season for Florida. This is going to have a revenue impact on AA.

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AA had only 1 canceled MIA-LGA flight today and No Canceled flights on LGA-MIA. All the MAX flights are being covered by 738's and 321's. Same for March 15th flights and I assume going forward as well.

Well, there was a MD83 ferried to Roswell last Tuesday......

And another thing is no spare parts either for retired planes and MD80 series parts are becoming scarce and expensive

One other glitch is that several "OASISed" 738s have been taken out of service owing to poorly installed overhead bins. How many of these have returned?

On top of that, I heard that 35 or so AA jets had to be taken out of service at DFW when some 70+ mph wind gusts ripped through the Metroplex yesterday morning.

mikeyp224 wrote:

It's official. The first A321 has gone in for Oasis mods at GSO. N161UW.

Nice. Any idea what year this was delivered? Did they start with the oldest 321? For example with the 737s they started with deliveries after 2009 because the rest will be retired. What is the case with the 321? Hopefully they will do all of them even the oldest ones.

1ffb2002 wrote:

Boof02671 wrote:

1ffb2002 wrote:

There are a group of 10 or so MD80 -83 that went to Roswell in August last year. If this grounding of the MAX continues, what is the likelihood that these aircraft will be reactivated? They have been in storage for 6 months at most. Thoughts?

How many times is the same stupid question going to be asked?

1. They aren’t airworthy
2. No qualified pilots to staff them
3. Not on the AOC anymore
4. Planes are stripped of interiors and parts
5. Many of them are not owned nor leased by AA anymore.

Not even owned, many have been transferred to other operators.

https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Ame ... d80-70.htm

Only five stored still owned parked late last year

https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Ame ... 80-245.htm

No there are 10 that are stored. I was not referring to the aircraft that were transferred to other airlines. I noticed there are two list, those stored and those sent to other airlines. Some of these were parked and STORED (NOT TRANSFERRED) just in August. Some of these STORED MD83s may be waiting for another owner, or in negotiation to be sold, so they may remain in airworthy or near airworthy condition. However, there are only 10 or so possible candidates that might be reactivated from storage.

I am sure there are many B737 pilots who were previously MD80 crew who could be re-certified to fly MD80s once again.

Why do people on this forum have to be so nasty? Your uncivil and quick offensive reply is very ignorant.

AA has a 24 aircraft hole in its schedule that could grow as this ridiculous grounding continues. New MAXs which were anticipated being delivered this year also could be impacted. Good thing it's mid-March and there is probably some slack in the fleet. But looking at schedules for the next day or so, none of the MAX flight have been reinstated on the MIA-LGA route with other aircraft, and its prime season for Florida. This is going to have a revenue impact on AA.

The company can't just reassign old MD-80 pilots the MD-80. They bid whatever their seniority can hold. Then whoever bids the MD-80 gets trained on it. Most of these guys will be coming from other aircraft requiring an "unqualified initial", which takes months. The bid alone would take weeks.

You can't just plug and play pilots and jets.

miaami wrote:

1ffb2002 wrote:

AA has a 24 aircraft hole in its schedule that could grow as this ridiculous grounding continues. New MAXs which were anticipated being delivered this year also could be impacted. Good thing it's mid-March and there is probably some slack in the fleet. But looking at schedules for the next day or so, none of the MAX flight have been reinstated on the MIA-LGA route with other aircraft, and its prime season for Florida. This is going to have a revenue impact on AA.

AA had only 1 canceled MIA-LGA flight today and No Canceled flights on LGA-MIA. All the MAX flights are being covered by 738's and 321's. Same for March 15th flights and I assume going forward as well.

Looks like there's another 777 flying MIA-JFK today to make up for the LGA cancellations. Both regularly scheduled MIA-UIO flights are cancelled and there's a 757 flying in their place.

They canceled both Max and subbing one 757

Detroit313 wrote:

mikeyp224 wrote:

It's official. The first A321 has gone in for Oasis mods at GSO. N161UW.

Nice. Any idea what year this was delivered? Did they start with the oldest 321? For example with the 737s they started with deliveries after 2009 because the rest will be retired. What is the case with the 321? Hopefully they will do all of them even the oldest ones.

N161UW shows delivery in early 2001, and appears to be the oldest A321 owned by AA. There were 28 of these aircraft delivered in 2001-2002, with newer aircraft delivered in 2008 and later. This info from the American Fleet Site.

It was the first US A321, not AA

washingtonflyer wrote:

Well, there was a MD83 ferried to Roswell last Tuesday......

Do we know the tail number? Never mind, I’ll check Planespotters.

-Rowen

Boof02671 wrote:

It was the first US A321, not AA

There is nothing wrong with what he said. It is owned by AA. There is no US Airways.

anymaninfc wrote:

Detroit313 wrote:

mikeyp224 wrote:

It's official. The first A321 has gone in for Oasis mods at GSO. N161UW.

Nice. Any idea what year this was delivered? Did they start with the oldest 321? For example with the 737s they started with deliveries after 2009 because the rest will be retired. What is the case with the 321? Hopefully they will do all of them even the oldest ones.

N161UW shows delivery in early 2001, and appears to be the oldest A321 owned by AA. There were 28 of these aircraft delivered in 2001-2002, with newer aircraft delivered in 2008 and later. This info from the American Fleet Site.

The current plan is to retrofit the oldest 28 aircraft first and move up the fleet from there.

Detroit313 wrote:

Boof02671 wrote:

It was the first US A321, not AA

There is nothing wrong with what he said. It is owned by AA. There is no US Airways.

Excuse me for clarifying it. Jeez

It was delivered 9/1/2001

747fan wrote:

Narfish641 wrote:

Have we got word when the next 767-300ER will be retired? (If this hasn't been asked)? Also what is the current status of the Oasis cabins on the Airbus and Boeing aircraft?

As of now, 381 is scheduled to be retired on 4/1.

That will bring the total down to 22, right? I've looked through the S19 schedules, and it looks to me like 16 frames are needed to cover the schedule. That would leave 6 operational spares (probably 3 at MIA and 3 at PHL?), which seems like plenty to ensure decent operational reliability.

AAs next A321-251NX, N401AN, made it's first flight today, Mar. 14.

Flynclt20 wrote:

We’ve been ferrying A/C from DFW and other cities all night to MIA to cover some of the MAX flying that was cancelled. Also they will work on A/C routing to have exsisting A/C Cover what they can for the MAX and Oasis frames that are parked. Believe it’s a total of: 38 that are out of service (14 Oasis and 24 MAX). Not good, but they will not be pulling anything from the desert or storage at all. They will cover as much as they can with spares, other A/C type and changing A/C routing.

There are also planned cancellations going into the system for days in advance to free up equipment (i.e. cancel a PHX-JFK RT to free up 10 hours of block).

alasizon wrote:

Flynclt20 wrote:

We’ve been ferrying A/C from DFW and other cities all night to MIA to cover some of the MAX flying that was cancelled. Also they will work on A/C routing to have exsisting A/C Cover what they can for the MAX and Oasis frames that are parked. Believe it’s a total of: 38 that are out of service (14 Oasis and 24 MAX). Not good, but they will not be pulling anything from the desert or storage at all. They will cover as much as they can with spares, other A/C type and changing A/C routing.

There are also planned cancellations going into the system for days in advance to free up equipment (i.e. cancel a PHX-JFK RT to free up 10 hours of block).

Any idea how much of this is automated and how much has to be done manually? Using your PHX-JFK as an example. Once that flight is manually canceled 3-4 days out, will the system automatically reschedule aircraft and crews? I’m guessing crews may be more difficult because they have bud certain trips but in a situation like this I’m guessing they get little say.

I heard they will just do just one 321 before the summer and then start again after the end of summer.

OKCDCA wrote:

alasizon wrote:

There are also planned cancellations going into the system for days in advance to free up equipment (i.e. cancel a PHX-JFK RT to free up 10 hours of block).

Any idea how much of this is automated and how much has to be done manually? Using your PHX-JFK as an example. Once that flight is manually canceled 3-4 days out, will the system automatically reschedule aircraft and crews? I’m guessing crews may be more difficult because they have bud certain trips but in a situation like this I’m guessing they get little say.

The cancellations are done manually (which cancelling a flight doesn't take more than a handful of entries). The aircraft reassignments and crew reassignments were likely already pre-planned before the cancellations were run.

Swadian wrote:

1989worstyear wrote:

Swadian wrote:

They have 47 more coming, and A332, 772 aren't going away anytime soon. They can always keep the "older" 772 longer instead of replacing with 789.

It's because the 772's were certified in the late 90s, right?

2002-03 built 763: old and aging.

1998 built 772: high CASM and economical.

I'm tired of all you people ripping me a new one regarding post-1988 certified designs when you all say the same thing.

No, it's because 772 has new interior, RR engines (unlike A333 with oddball PW engines), long range, commonality with 77W, and AA has 47 of them. 763 aren't "old and aging", but have obsolete interior. Don't forget LATAM replaced A332 with newer 763. DL and UA have also diverged from AA in sticking to their 763. Former AA 763 aren't going to the scrapper, but to cargo conversion.

I love how people say AA needs to replace them they look old and tired. If you refurbished the interior of an aircraft most of the flying public would have zero clue of the age of the aircraft nor would they care. They want bin space a rev screen and WIFI. Delta and United have committed a significant amount to refurbish their fleet

anymaninfc wrote:

AAs next A321-251NX, N401AN, made it's first flight today, Mar. 14.

A test flight in Hamburg I am assuming?

UpNAWAy wrote:

anymaninfc wrote:

AAs next A321-251NX, N401AN, made it's first flight today, Mar. 14.

A test flight in Hamburg I am assuming?

Yes

UpNAWAy wrote:

anymaninfc wrote:

AAs next A321-251NX, N401AN, made it's first flight today, Mar. 14.

A test flight in Hamburg I am assuming?

So it was built in Europe? I thought that Airbus narrowbodies built for US customers would be built in Mobile AL, now that Airbus has a plant in the United States.

American 767 wrote:

UpNAWAy wrote:

anymaninfc wrote:

AAs next A321-251NX, N401AN, made it's first flight today, Mar. 14.

A test flight in Hamburg I am assuming?

So it was built in Europe? I thought that Airbus narrowbodies built for US customers would be built in Mobile AL, now that Airbus has a plant in the United States.

Yes, N401AN was assembled in Hamburg, as is N402AN. I have no info on whether or not the A321Neos are being built in Mobile at this time. You might check the assembly origins for Hawaiian's and Alaska's A321s.

DL757NYC wrote:

Swadian wrote:

1989worstyear wrote:

It's because the 772's were certified in the late 90s, right?

2002-03 built 763: old and aging.

1998 built 772: high CASM and economical.

I'm tired of all you people ripping me a new one regarding post-1988 certified designs when you all say the same thing.

No, it's because 772 has new interior, RR engines (unlike A333 with oddball PW engines), long range, commonality with 77W, and AA has 47 of them. 763 aren't "old and aging", but have obsolete interior. Don't forget LATAM replaced A332 with newer 763. DL and UA have also diverged from AA in sticking to their 763. Former AA 763 aren't going to the scrapper, but to cargo conversion.

I love how people say AA needs to replace them they look old and tired. If you refurbished the interior of an aircraft most of the flying public would have zero clue of the age of the aircraft nor would they care. They want bin space a rev screen and WIFI. Delta and United have committed a significant amount to refurbish their fleet

Delta's 763 J is pretty bad compared to competing AA 777 and 787 J. Yes, the Zodiac D stinks, but Thompson Vantage isn't any better. United Polaris 763 or LATAM 763 are the best.

mikeyp224 wrote:

It's official. The first A321 has gone in for Oasis mods at GSO. N161UW.

When does this go into service? I have an A321 flight on hold that I might switch to the 757 instead just to avoid the risk of getting an Oasis plane.

Swadian wrote:

Delta's 763 J is pretty bad compared to competing AA 777 and 787 J. Yes, the Zodiac D stinks, but Thompson Vantage isn't any better. United Polaris 763 or LATAM 763 are the best.

Isn't the Thomson Vantage the same seat AA uses in their 767 J?

OB1504 wrote:

mikeyp224 wrote:

It's official. The first A321 has gone in for Oasis mods at GSO. N161UW.

When does this go into service? I have an A321 flight on hold that I might switch to the 757 instead just to avoid the risk of getting an Oasis plane.

Swadian wrote:

Delta's 763 J is pretty bad compared to competing AA 777 and 787 J. Yes, the Zodiac D stinks, but Thompson Vantage isn't any better. United Polaris 763 or LATAM 763 are the best.

Isn't the Thomson Vantage the same seat AA uses in their 767 J?

Are you serious? It’s one A321, AA currently has 220 A321s, and 161UW is not even back in revenue service.