I had a chance to see the overhead bins of the 321NEO and those things are GIANT!

Boof02671 wrote:

OB1504 wrote:

mikeyp224 wrote:

It's official. The first A321 has gone in for Oasis mods at GSO. N161UW.

When does this go into service? I have an A321 flight on hold that I might switch to the 757 instead just to avoid the risk of getting an Oasis plane.

Swadian wrote:

Delta's 763 J is pretty bad compared to competing AA 777 and 787 J. Yes, the Zodiac D stinks, but Thompson Vantage isn't any better. United Polaris 763 or LATAM 763 are the best.

Isn't the Thomson Vantage the same seat AA uses in their 767 J?

Are you serious? It’s one A321, AA currently has 220 A321s, and 161UW is not even back in revenue service.

As an aviation enthusiast, I’ll look for any excuse to justify the 757 instead of a boring A321.

OB1504 wrote:

Boof02671 wrote:

OB1504 wrote:

When does this go into service? I have an A321 flight on hold that I might switch to the 757 instead just to avoid the risk of getting an Oasis plane.



Isn't the Thomson Vantage the same seat AA uses in their 767 J?

Are you serious? It’s one A321, AA currently has 220 A321s, and 161UW is not even back in revenue service.

As an aviation enthusiast, I’ll look for any excuse to justify the 757 instead of a boring A321.

OB, yes... AA 767s have the same J seats as DL just without the IFEs.

OB1504 wrote:

Boof02671 wrote:

OB1504 wrote:

When does this go into service? I have an A321 flight on hold that I might switch to the 757 instead just to avoid the risk of getting an Oasis plane.



Isn't the Thomson Vantage the same seat AA uses in their 767 J?

Are you serious? It’s one A321, AA currently has 220 A321s, and 161UW is not even back in revenue service.

As an aviation enthusiast, I’ll look for any excuse to justify the 757 instead of a boring A321.

Me too. I would always choose a 757 over an A321 if possible.Three or four years ago I was supposed to fly JFK-MIA on a 757, I missed it and I was rebooked on a later flight which was an A321. Although I was happy to try the new A321 in American's fleet, I was still disappointed to have missed the 757. A year ago I flew to DFW for a weekend trip. I flew JFK-CLT on a 757, then CLT-DFW on an A321 and flying back to New York direct DFW-LGA on an A321. Call me nuts, but I did that just to get a 757, instead of flying nonstop LGA-DFW on an A321. The price was about the same and the arrival time in DFW was about the same too, so I did not hesitate.

PotatoPappas wrote:

OB1504 wrote:

Boof02671 wrote:

Are you serious? It’s one A321, AA currently has 220 A321s, and 161UW is not even back in revenue service.

As an aviation enthusiast, I’ll look for any excuse to justify the 757 instead of a boring A321.

OB, yes... AA 767s have the same J seats as DL just without the IFEs.

I think that American should hold on to their late build 767s, the ones dating from the early 2000s, for another 5 to 7 years. They are not that old. Although that would leave a 767 fleet of only 9 airplanes. The good thing, however, about American having decided to phase out their last 767s by end of 2021, early 2022 at the latest, is they still have some life left as freighters.

They need too much maintenance work and they have a bunch of 787s coming to replace the 767s

OB1504 wrote:

As an aviation enthusiast, I’ll look for any excuse to justify the 757 instead of a boring A321.

Which A321 are you talking about? Because the LUS321 is okay while the LAA321 is a nice product not talking about the A321T. Then again I haven't gotten the privilege to try the B757 yet

Any updates on the 14 738's that were taken out of service due to the Oasis issues? Have any of these aircraft returned to service yet?

miaami wrote:

Any updates on the 14 738's that were taken out of service due to the Oasis issues? Have any of these aircraft returned to service yet?

Negative. They are still at a couple of various airports (GSO, TUL, TPA, MLB, etc) for evaluation.

PHLspecial wrote:

OB1504 wrote:

As an aviation enthusiast, I’ll look for any excuse to justify the 757 instead of a boring A321.

Which A321 are you talking about? Because the LUS321 is okay while the LAA321 is a nice product not talking about the A321T. Then again I haven't gotten the privilege to try the B757 yet

I honestly prefer the LUS A321 because of the generously padded seats and excellent legroom. The 757 has the worst product of the three but... it’s a 757.

A400AN just landed at DFW after a testing flight from SFO (AA9708):

https://www.flightradar24.com/AAL9708/1fde6eac
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n400an

Looks like it's going from DFW to AUA in a little while...

OB1504 wrote:

mikeyp224 wrote:

It's official. The first A321 has gone in for Oasis mods at GSO. N161UW.

When does this go into service? I have an A321 flight on hold that I might switch to the 757 instead just to avoid the risk of getting an Oasis plane.

Swadian wrote:

Delta's 763 J is pretty bad compared to competing AA 777 and 787 J. Yes, the Zodiac D stinks, but Thompson Vantage isn't any better. United Polaris 763 or LATAM 763 are the best.

Isn't the Thomson Vantage the same seat AA uses in their 767 J?

Yes, but AA is getting rid of 763 and deploying 772 or 788 on routes where DL might otherwise continue to use 763. Most AA 763 routes have no DL competition.

OB1504 wrote:

PHLspecial wrote:

OB1504 wrote:

As an aviation enthusiast, I’ll look for any excuse to justify the 757 instead of a boring A321.

Which A321 are you talking about? Because the LUS321 is okay while the LAA321 is a nice product not talking about the A321T. Then again I haven't gotten the privilege to try the B757 yet

I honestly prefer the LUS A321 because of the generously padded seats and excellent legroom. The 757 has the worst product of the three but... it’s a 757.

OB1504 wrote:

PHLspecial wrote:

OB1504 wrote:

As an aviation enthusiast, I’ll look for any excuse to justify the 757 instead of a boring A321.

Which A321 are you talking about? Because the LUS321 is okay while the LAA321 is a nice product not talking about the A321T. Then again I haven't gotten the privilege to try the B757 yet

I honestly prefer the LUS A321 because of the generously padded seats and excellent legroom. The 757 has the worst product of the three but... it’s a 757.

LAA 757 aren't bad at all compared to other Doug Parker's other high-density cattle cans. LUS 757 is one of those high-density cattle cans.

How many 321 Neos are going to be delivered this year?

Detroit313 wrote:

How many 321 Neos are going to be delivered this year?

Per the 10-K, 17 total scheduled for this year and 15 next year.

https://americanairlines.gcs-web.com/node/37211/html
Search: Aircraft and Engine Purchase Commitments

Another A321 to MLB for Wifi upgrade.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL ... /KCLT/KMLB

I don't understand why they wouldn't put a hold on Wifi upgrades and send these planes to MIA to cover all the cancellations happening due to the MAX grounding and 14 Oasis planes out of service.

Interestingly I was browsing MIA-LGA flights for Sunday March 30th and of the 11 non-stops only 3 are showing the type of aircraft.
So, I guess it's a 'dart throw' on which type you wound up on.

ctrabs0114 wrote:

A400AN just landed at DFW after a testing flight from SFO (AA9708):

https://www.flightradar24.com/AAL9708/1fde6eac
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n400an

Looks like it's going from DFW to AUA in a little while...

So, did N400AN go to Aruba to escape the cold, or perhaps the rain? Meanwhile, N401AN made it's second test flight in Hamburg today, Spring + 1.

row44seatk wrote:

Interestingly I was browsing MIA-LGA flights for Sunday March 30th and of the 11 non-stops only 3 are showing the type of aircraft.
So, I guess it's a 'dart throw' on which type you wound up on.

5 of the 12 MIA-LGA flights are cancelled today.

More 738 Oasis problems, more being sent to TULE for evaluation and repair, another 738 with over 900 write ups

miaami wrote:

Another A321 to MLB for Wifi upgrade.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL ... /KCLT/KMLB

I don't understand why they wouldn't put a hold on Wifi upgrades and send these planes to MIA to cover all the cancellations happening due to the MAX grounding and 14 Oasis planes out of service.

The time slot for that aircraft to go in is now, and there may not be good rescheduling opportunities.

miaami wrote:

Another A321 to MLB for Wifi upgrade.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL ... /KCLT/KMLB

I don't understand why they wouldn't put a hold on Wifi upgrades and send these planes to MIA to cover all the cancellations happening due to the MAX grounding and 14 Oasis planes out of service.

Because Parker sees $$ signs with Oasis. The hell with the paxs. The serfs on the ground at LGA can deal with trying to reaccomodate 5 planes of paxs.

Parker must have the BOD in his back pocket.

Miamiairport wrote:

miaami wrote:

Another A321 to MLB for Wifi upgrade.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL ... /KCLT/KMLB

I don't understand why they wouldn't put a hold on Wifi upgrades and send these planes to MIA to cover all the cancellations happening due to the MAX grounding and 14 Oasis planes out of service.

Because Parker sees $$ signs with Oasis. The hell with the paxs. The serfs on the ground at LGA can deal with trying to reaccomodate 5 planes of paxs.

Parker must have the BOD in his back pocket.

More like a limited number of pilots. The 320 family is already seeing a slight shortage of pilots due to the coverage that has already been put in place. There is only so many frames that you can add back into service before you start to run low on crew coverage and it isn't as easy as just offering time and a half because same day availability is limited. Most of the 738 planned projects have been put on hold as those pilots that were supposed to be covering the MAX are available and can be used to fly the regular 738 for coverage.

row44seatk wrote:

Interestingly I was browsing MIA-LGA flights for Sunday March 30th and of the 11 non-stops only 3 are showing the type of aircraft.
So, I guess it's a 'dart throw' on which type you wound up on.

Am sorry to be that guy, but March 30th is a Saturday.

(Reading this post at first glance gave me a mini heart attack that I booked incorrectly..) so sorry.

Doug Parker needs to put a stop at Oasis project first. Then he should let go for the mess. (to be fair, the 737MAX is not his problem, but somehow coincide with the Oasis project is the perfect storm)

Veigar wrote:

row44seatk wrote:

Interestingly I was browsing MIA-LGA flights for Sunday March 30th and of the 11 non-stops only 3 are showing the type of aircraft.
So, I guess it's a 'dart throw' on which type you wound up on.

Am sorry to be that guy, but March 30th is a Saturday.

(Reading this post at first glance gave me a mini heart attack that I booked incorrectly..) so sorry.

Sorry for that. If I was actually booking that day I would have noticed.

miaami wrote:

Another A321 to MLB for Wifi upgrade.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL ... /KCLT/KMLB

I don't understand why they wouldn't put a hold on Wifi upgrades and send these planes to MIA to cover all the cancellations happening due to the MAX grounding and 14 Oasis planes out of service.

I don't either. Driving by MLB tonight, there are still aircraft everywhere at STS. Guess they have a schedule to meet.

Boof02671 wrote:

More 738 Oasis problems, more being sent to TULE for evaluation and repair, another 738 with over 900 write ups

Which Aircraft? Not seeing a new one in TUL?

And an A330 just back from Aeroman had nine pages of write ups at MCO last night.

Oops 4 pages

Boof02671 wrote:

More 738 Oasis problems, more being sent to TULE for evaluation and repair, another 738 with over 900 write ups

You happen to have any details for which planes?

Only oasis-conversion 737 I can find (with guidance from folks) that was moved for more work since the original batch is this one:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N845NN

Saw JonNYC's tweet just now and verified myself. Looks like JFK-SEA is gone until late April. JFK-SAN is now down to one flight for April after being canceled for rest of March. JFK-MCO is down to 1 flight for April. I assume this is due to 737MAX and Oasis issues. But not a good sign for JFK-SEA/SAN long term if they are deemed to be this dispensable.

738s

“Take a peek at ASOM. TULE has more 737 issues coming thru there. Look at the BOW "Maintenance eval". Saw some pics of another 737 with overhead bin issues, over 900 write ups. Sounds as if it is from the same vendor in PAE. If true, that vendor will probably br dropped at the very least.”

All 767 are now gone forever from New York - JFK. All international is now on 777.

Detroit313 wrote:

All 767 are now gone forever from New York - JFK. All international is now on 777.

As far as international flying is concerned, yes. JFK-MIA still sees the 763, once, or maybe twice daily at the most.

When was the last int'l 767 service from JFK? Was it recently? Thanks.

Qantas59 wrote:

When was the last int'l 767 service from JFK? Was it recently? Thanks.

Yes very recently, March of 2019. Apr 1st at the latest all TATL routes will stop seeing the 767. The last two International 767 flights from JFK were AA 44 JFK-CDG and AA 94 JFK-MAD. These two flights are now switching to the 77E.

American 767 wrote:

Qantas59 wrote:

When was the last int'l 767 service from JFK? Was it recently? Thanks.

Yes very recently, March of 2019. Apr 1st at the latest all TATL routes will stop seeing the 767. The last two International 767 flights from JFK were AA 44 JFK-CDG and AA 94 JFK-MAD. These two flights are now switching to the 77E.

Very interesting. Thank you.

AA now has a very competitive product from JFK on all European routes.

Swadian wrote:

OB1504 wrote:

mikeyp224 wrote:

It's official. The first A321 has gone in for Oasis mods at GSO. N161UW.

OB1504 wrote:

I agree that Oasis is a disaster and a major mistake by AA management - which, of course, is DP. Actually, agree that DP probably likes the "Oasis" conversions, because his job is to deliver a profit, but I've also noticed on this newsgroup that we seem to have gone from bashing United to bashing American. I think he's making a mistake, but both Delta and United have done essentially the same thing. The only difference is that DL kept the IFE in place. People won't pay $5 more to get a better product.


Parker previously said he regretted taking out the powerports from the US Airbus fleet. I think he may live to regret removing IFE from the current fleet. But there is nowhere else for AA passengers, including their "elites" to go that is any better.

I have long felt that the LUS A321's (without IFE or power ports) were some of the most comfortable airplanes flying, in coach. Well padded seats, 32" pitch - which is more than the AA 32B's, which I also like. But it doesn't matter. If you don't like AA, you'll find DL and UA to be just as bad. Yes, sometimes DL is better, but they have bad days as well. Same thing with UA. Alaska and JetBlue may be a bit better, but even they have problems sometimes. And as long as Southwest has open seating, they're always going to be my last choice, and I live in Dallas, which is their home.


Bottom line: We're all screwed. Oasis is not going to be reversed. He's not putting IFE back in. Streaming IFE is inferior to seat back video. They just don't care.

737 Max 8 Grounded until April 24, 2019

The company has informed APFA of the continued grounding of the 737 MAX 8 until at least April 24, 2019. All related flights will continue to be suspended. Flight
Attendants directly impacted will continue to be pay protected under the terms of the letter of agreement currently in place, negotiated shortly after the 737 Max 8 was initially grounded. AA will await further information from the Boeing, NTSB and other
regulatory parties prior to lifting of the suspension.

Separately, APFA is continuing talks with the company on the 737-800/Oasis aircraft and the inclusion of non-recurrent training unrelated to safety and security in the annual FAA approved CQ curriculum.

(Special Hotline to follow)

superjeff wrote:

Swadian wrote:

OB1504 wrote:

I agree that Oasis is a disaster and a major mistake by AA management - which, of course, is DP. Actually, agree that DP probably likes the "Oasis" conversions, because his job is to deliver a profit, but I've also noticed on this newsgroup that we seem to have gone from bashing United to bashing American. I think he's making a mistake, but both Delta and United have done essentially the same thing. The only difference is that DL kept the IFE in place. People won't pay $5 more to get a better product.


Parker previously said he regretted taking out the powerports from the US Airbus fleet. I think he may live to regret removing IFE from the current fleet. But there is nowhere else for AA passengers, including their "elites" to go that is any better.

I have long felt that the LUS A321's (without IFE or power ports) were some of the most comfortable airplanes flying, in coach. Well padded seats, 32" pitch - which is more than the AA 32B's, which I also like. But it doesn't matter. If you don't like AA, you'll find DL and UA to be just as bad. Yes, sometimes DL is better, but they have bad days as well. Same thing with UA. Alaska and JetBlue may be a bit better, but even they have problems sometimes. And as long as Southwest has open seating, they're always going to be my last choice, and I live in Dallas, which is their home.


Bottom line: We're all screwed. Oasis is not going to be reversed. He's not putting IFE back in. Streaming IFE is inferior to seat back video. They just don't care.

i disagree about streaming ife. i think it's better than seatbacks. my phone is far better quality that any ife. just give me a power port to charge and it's more than enough

Boeing to issue fix this week.

https://www.king5.com/article/news/boei ... 72ac4e5fe4

Parker is solely about the numbers. Everything must have a measurable and attainable ROI. It's why narrow body a/c are going from having a bulkhead to a $5 piece of plastic between F and Y. I don't see Oasis being reversed despite the belief of those on this site and FT that it will occur.

Detroit313 wrote:

American 767 wrote:

Qantas59 wrote:

When was the last int'l 767 service from JFK? Was it recently? Thanks.

Yes very recently, March of 2019. Apr 1st at the latest all TATL routes will stop seeing the 767. The last two International 767 flights from JFK were AA 44 JFK-CDG and AA 94 JFK-MAD. These two flights are now switching to the 77E.

Very interesting. Thank you.

AA now has a very competitive product from JFK on all European routes.

You are welcome. I think that the idea is to attract a lot of business travelers who live in New York. American sees JFK, not really as a connecting hub but rather as a focus city O & D were a lot of New York based business people will remain loyal on AA when flying for business. It is PHL that they want to make a major connecting hub.

Miamiairport wrote:

Parker is solely about the numbers. Everything must have a measurable and attainable ROI. It's why narrow body a/c are going from having a bulkhead to a $5 piece of plastic between F and Y. I don't see Oasis being reversed despite the belief of those on this site and FT that it will occur.

If Parker is cheap trope is true why has he orchestrated the largest capital expenditures program in aviation industry?
Its the comments of first choice for the lazy or the brainwashed.

UpNAWAy wrote:

Miamiairport wrote:

Parker is solely about the numbers. Everything must have a measurable and attainable ROI. It's why narrow body a/c are going from having a bulkhead to a $5 piece of plastic between F and Y. I don't see Oasis being reversed despite the belief of those on this site and FT that it will occur.

If Parker is cheap trope is true why has he orchestrated the largest capital expenditures program in aviation industry?
Its the comments of first choice for the lazy or the brainwashed.

Until passengers stop flying them, AA has no incentive to change. The Oasis change might be responding to market forces. Reality is there are limited choices for travel, especially non-stop. DL seems to be atop the ratings, but I would not call any of their Y seating spacious. UA is using their hubs to push into the premium space. AA has premium cabins, smaller than most, with emphasis on lower cost / Y cabins. If they start losing paying passengers, Parker / AA will have to change, but data shows that is not happening.

UpNAWAy wrote:

Miamiairport wrote:

Parker is solely about the numbers. Everything must have a measurable and attainable ROI. It's why narrow body a/c are going from having a bulkhead to a $5 piece of plastic between F and Y. I don't see Oasis being reversed despite the belief of those on this site and FT that it will occur.

If Parker is cheap trope is true why has he orchestrated the largest capital expenditures program in aviation industry?
Its the comments of first choice for the lazy or the brainwashed.

What program is that?

Miamiairport wrote:

Parker is solely about the numbers. Everything must have a measurable and attainable ROI. It's why narrow body a/c are going from having a bulkhead to a $5 piece of plastic between F and Y. I don't see Oasis being reversed despite the belief of those on this site and FT that it will occur.

Really? Because I've been warning everyone away from AA because of this. When you offer a product that insanely terrible expect word of mouth to work against you. I know I just got my parents to book Delta instead of AA.

I assume MAX deliveries have stopped too?

So some quantification of the MAX grounding effect: 90 AA flights per day canx.

For now, through 4/24/19, as noted above. I think that's optimistic. If not for all the hysteria over this, it could be back sooner, but no government official is going to lift the ban until they (and their career) are certain that it's not going to blow back on them in the future. Even if the software/training fix solves the problem, I'm guessing that at least the Canadians and Europeans are gonna want test flight data blah blah so they can look tougher than the FAA.

https://nypost.com/2019/03/25/american- ... max-8-ban/

What's really pathetic is that one would have thought that Boeing would have learned that "there's never enough time to do it right but plenty of time to do it over" is no way to run a business. It's like Silicon Valley practices (overpromise, underdeliver, sort of fix it later) have snuck into its management ranks.

airzona11 wrote:

UpNAWAy wrote:

Miamiairport wrote:

Parker is solely about the numbers. Everything must have a measurable and attainable ROI. It's why narrow body a/c are going from having a bulkhead to a $5 piece of plastic between F and Y. I don't see Oasis being reversed despite the belief of those on this site and FT that it will occur.

If Parker is cheap trope is true why has he orchestrated the largest capital expenditures program in aviation industry?
Its the comments of first choice for the lazy or the brainwashed.

Until passengers stop flying them, AA has no incentive to change. The Oasis change might be responding to market forces. Reality is there are limited choices for travel, especially non-stop. DL seems to be atop the ratings, but I would not call any of their Y seating spacious. UA is using their hubs to push into the premium space. AA has premium cabins, smaller than most, with emphasis on lower cost / Y cabins. If they start losing paying passengers, Parker / AA will have to change, but data shows that is not happening.

What data is that? Because their more recent financial results seem to show that they are lagging their main competitors in flight revenue.