AA Fleet Updates - 2019

airzona11 · Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:20 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
airzona11 wrote:
UpNAWAy wrote:

If Parker is cheap trope is true why has he orchestrated the largest capital expenditures program in aviation industry?
Its the comments of first choice for the lazy or the brainwashed.

Until passengers stop flying them, AA has no incentive to change. The Oasis change might be responding to market forces. Reality is there are limited choices for travel, especially non-stop. DL seems to be atop the ratings, but I would not call any of their Y seating spacious. UA is using their hubs to push into the premium space. AA has premium cabins, smaller than most, with emphasis on lower cost / Y cabins. If they start losing paying passengers, Parker / AA will have to change, but data shows that is not happening.

What data is that? Because their more recent financial results seem to show that they are lagging their main competitors in flight revenue.

If you are specifically asking about flight revenue, that is top line and only one of many numbers that get you to bottom line profitability. As I mentioned above, AA is less premium focused with a lot of their fleet, so revenue is not going to be a leader vs the other US3.

washingtonflyer · Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:04 pm

So I heard there were massive hail storms in the DFW area yesterday. Any casualty reports out of AA at DFW?

UpNAWAy · Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:27 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
UpNAWAy wrote:
Miamiairport wrote:
Parker is solely about the numbers. Everything must have a measurable and attainable ROI. It's why narrow body a/c are going from having a bulkhead to a $5 piece of plastic between F and Y. I don't see Oasis being reversed despite the belief of those on this site and FT that it will occur.

If Parker is cheap trope is true why has he orchestrated the largest capital expenditures program in aviation industry?
Its the comments of first choice for the lazy or the brainwashed.

What program is that?

All new Aircraft Orders, Billions spent on refurbishing Clubs, Airports, Hangers, Offices, Employee back offices and break-rooms, new equipment and technology in most every city.

Boof02671 · Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:53 pm

UpNAWAy wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
UpNAWAy wrote:

If Parker is cheap trope is true why has he orchestrated the largest capital expenditures program in aviation industry?
Its the comments of first choice for the lazy or the brainwashed.

What program is that?

All new Aircraft Orders, Billions spent on refurbishing Clubs, Airports, Hangers, Offices, Employee back offices and break-rooms, new equipment and technology in most every city.

95% of those planes were ordered before AA filed bankruptcy, Parker had zero to do with that, Parker order some additional 787s and deferred 737s and A321s. I know you love Doug, he had zero to do with the majority of the planes ordered. Money on a hangar in Brazil doesn’t count.

jspams20 · Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:45 pm

I’m at LAX today, N665AW (A320) currently is missing wing-fences! Looks like it’s about to depart for PHX.

Boof02671 · Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:55 pm

It never had winglets. All former HP (which that is) and all former LUS Airbus 320 family never had Sharklets as that’s what Airbus calls them. All AA A320 family came with Sharklets.

deltaffindfw · Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:58 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
It never had winglets. All former HP (which that is) and all former LUS Airbus 320 family never had Sharklets as that’s what Airbus calls them. All AA A320 family came with Sharklets.

The LUS planes have a "winged fence" on them. The LAA planes have sharklets.

Boof02671 · Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:05 pm

I know this I was a trainer when LUS got our Airbii.

jspams20 · Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:13 pm

jspams20 wrote:
I’m at LAX today, N665AW (A320) currently is missing wing-fences! Looks like it’s about to depart for PHX.

It seems like it’s just the starboard fence that’s gone.

anymaninfc · Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:37 am

Am wondering what is taking so long to get the ex-Frontier A319s into revenue service. I understood original plan was to have three in service by YE2018. It is nearing the end of March and so far, only one ex-Frontier A319 in revenue service. At this rate will it be 2020 or 2021 before all eight are in revenue service?

Boof02671 · Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:54 am

The conversion to AA is taking longer I believe two are in service now

TWA1985 · Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:12 pm

Does anyone else think AA should / will scoop up the 10 Wow Air A321’s now that the airline has ceased all operations?

ONONONONONON · Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:54 pm

TWA1985 wrote:
Does anyone else think AA should / will scoop up the 10 Wow Air A321’s now that the airline has ceased all operations?

Good question, AA probably be interested in aquiring them for the right price(No idea what that would be) or covering grounded MAX flying. They probably won't aquire them for MAX flying because of the following factor of time to aquire. If they are leased they will at least be able to aquire them in a reasonable timeframe, if they're owned they'll probably be tied up in bankruptcy. Even if they could aquire them quickly they probably wouldn't be able to accept them into the fleet quickly enough to cover grounded MAX flying. So AA would realistically only get them for the right price, but stranger things have happened.

American 767 · Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:55 pm

TWA1985 wrote:
Does anyone else think AA should / will scoop up the 10 Wow Air A321’s now that the airline has ceased all operations?

In lieu of the 737MAX yes, that wouldn't be a bad idea. That would somehow help in compensating for the MAX fleet of 24 planes that has been grounded. I'm not even sure American still wants the remaining 76 MAX airplanes.

OB1504 · Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:04 pm

TWA1985 wrote:
Does anyone else think AA should / will scoop up the 10 Wow Air A321’s now that the airline has ceased all operations?

The 737 MAX would have to be grounded at least through the end of the summer to make that worthwhile, given how long it would take to set up the lease agreement and repaint them and redo the interiors before they can enter service.

RyanCLT · Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:23 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
The conversion to AA is taking longer I believe two are in service now

Nope still just one ex frontier in service N778XF, The next two are currently in CLT N772XF and N771XF which just arrived from GYR last night

Sooner787 · Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:31 pm

washingtonflyer wrote:
So I heard there were massive hail storms in the DFW area yesterday. Any casualty reports out of AA at DFW?

The super cell that caused all the hail damage blew up north of DFW over Denton County
and moved east over Collin County. I'd bet there might be some damaged planes
at the Collin County ( McKinney ) airport , but didn't hear any reports .

washingtonflyer · Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:18 pm

According to this post (viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1407771&start=600#p21227973), practically every WOW frame was owned by another entity. AA could take the leases on some - but obviously they'd have to assess engine commonality and avionics commonality. Then you'd have to take delivery on it, paint it, convert the interior, etc.

Boof02671 · Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:30 pm

American 767 wrote:
TWA1985 wrote:
Does anyone else think AA should / will scoop up the 10 Wow Air A321’s now that the airline has ceased all operations?

In lieu of the 737MAX yes, that wouldn't be a bad idea. That would somehow help in compensating for the MAX fleet of 24 planes that has been grounded. I'm not even sure American still wants the remaining 76 MAX airplanes.

Do you realize they are all leased and would take months to convert. The Max’s would be back in the air before the first one could ever enter the fleet and who would fly them?

Boof02671 · Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:34 pm

Status of each plane:
CAT (A321): stuck at EWR (owned by Goshawk)
DOG (A321): stuck at BOS (owned by Goshawk)
DTR (A21N): stuck at BWI (owned by ALC)
GMA (A321): stuck at YYZ (managed by ALC, may be owned by LATAM Airlines Group)
GPA (A321): last flew on March 18, at KEF (managed by ALC, may be owned by LATAM)
JOY (A321): repossessed at YUL tonight (managed by ALC, may be owned by LATAM)
NEO (A20N): ferried KEF-LJU on March 21 on lease return (owned by ALC)
NOW (A321): repossessed at MIA on March 24 (owned by BoComm)
PRO (A321): repossessed at YUL on March 24 (owned by BoComm)
SKY (A21N): stuck at CPH (owned by ALC)
WIN (A321): stuck at DTW (owned by ALC)

TWA1985 · Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:44 pm

Y’all, I wasn’t referring to AA getting Wow’s A321’s as grounded Max 8 replacements, I just meant in general. I know American already has new ones on order, but perhaps they could come in handy.

Boof02671 · Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:52 pm

Who’s going to fly them?

Runway28L · Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:55 pm

N401AN is scheduled to ferry XFW-PIT for delivery and induction tomorrow.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9707

PotatoPappas · Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:15 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
Status of each plane:
CAT (A321): stuck at EWR (owned by Goshawk)
DOG (A321): stuck at BOS (owned by Goshawk)
DTR (A21N): stuck at BWI (owned by ALC)
GMA (A321): stuck at YYZ (managed by ALC, may be owned by LATAM Airlines Group)
GPA (A321): last flew on March 18, at KEF (managed by ALC, may be owned by LATAM)
JOY (A321): repossessed at YUL tonight (managed by ALC, may be owned by LATAM)
NEO (A20N): ferried KEF-LJU on March 21 on lease return (owned by ALC)
NOW (A321): repossessed at MIA on March 24 (owned by BoComm)
PRO (A321): repossessed at YUL on March 24 (owned by BoComm)
SKY (A21N): stuck at CPH (owned by ALC)
WIN (A321): stuck at DTW (owned by ALC)

Uh...?

Boof02671 · Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:26 pm

That’s where WoW’s A321s are and who owns them.

superjeff · Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:34 am

Jouhou wrote:
Miamiairport wrote:
Parker is solely about the numbers. Everything must have a measurable and attainable ROI. It's why narrow body a/c are going from having a bulkhead to a $5 piece of plastic between F and Y. I don't sethere Oasis being reversed despite the belief of those on this site and FT that it will occur.

Really? Because I've been warning everyone away from AA because of this. When you offer a product that insanely terrible expect word of mouth to work against you. I know I just got my parents to book Delta instead of AA.

They're all the same. Delta does have seatback IFE, but, otherwise, their economy sections are just as tight as American's, as well as First Clss (and they've also gone to the $5 piece of plastic instead of a bulkhead.

A blind person couldn't tell what airline he's on; they all act pretty much in tandem. And I guess we're lucky in the U.S.; in Europe, Economy Class is even tighter on intra-Europe flights with BA, LH, etc.

anymaninfc · Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:12 pm

Runway28L wrote:
N401AN is scheduled to ferry XFW-PIT for delivery and induction tomorrow.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9707

N401AN is currently about mid-North Atlantic, making it's way to Pittsburgh.

Miamiairport · Fri Mar 29, 2019 4:48 pm

Assuming that the engines on the WOW 321 are comparable to AA and AA can get them on the right terms I'd see AA make a play for those a/c. Same as DL.

And yes all US3 are moving towards tighter seating. Eventually they all will be sardine class and sardine class plus.

Detroit313 · Fri Mar 29, 2019 5:01 pm

Any idea when the 14 Oasis are going to start flying again? Or have they been flying already?

Flynclt20 · Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:29 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
Any idea when the 14 Oasis are going to start flying again? Or have they been flying already?

As of right now they are due to return around April 4th.

deltaffindfw · Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:37 pm

Flynclt20 wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Any idea when the 14 Oasis are going to start flying again? Or have they been flying already?

As of right now they are due to return around April 4th.

That must have been a huge issue if it has taken this long to fix them. Did they have to take all the bins out completely and put them back in?

Boof02671 · Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:19 pm

They had major issues, Power Supplies wired wrong, bins missing bolts, wires tie wrapped not properly stowed.

Detroit313 · Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:30 am

Any updates on the 14 Oasis? Are any of them flying?

Ishrion · Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:35 am

Detroit313 wrote:
Any updates on the 14 Oasis? Are any of them flying?

https://mobile.twitter.com/CharlieSussm ... 8141814784

Runway28L · Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:06 am

N381AN has officially left the fleet. Ferried JFK-ROW last night.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/N381AN

anymaninfc · Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:58 pm

Runway28L wrote:
N381AN has officially left the fleet. Ferried JFK-ROW last night.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/N381AN

So now AA has 22 B767-300s. They're getting down there towards the last.

anymaninfc · Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:54 pm

Anyone know when N938UW is going to emerge from BFM?

washingtonflyer · Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:28 pm

AA just announced no MAX flights until at least June 5.

Bring on the Mad Dogs...

American 767 · Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:37 pm

washingtonflyer wrote:
AA just announced no MAX flights until at least June 5.

That's good to know. I booked a flight on aa.com from MIA to LGA on May 15th. The seating layout looked like it was the exact same one as that of a MAX, yes in case you don't know, the 737-800 at AA has two different layouts. One of them matches that of the MAX. I was a bit concerned that it would be a MAX but I found out it was an 800 of the current generation. So now I can be sure that it won't be a MAX. Good.

washingtonflyer · Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:44 pm

American 767 wrote:
washingtonflyer wrote:
AA just announced no MAX flights until at least June 5.

That's good to know. I booked a flight on aa.com from MIA to LGA on May 15th. The seating layout looked like it was the exact same one as that of a MAX, yes in case you don't know, the 737-800 at AA has two different layouts. One of them matches that of the MAX. I was a bit concerned that it would be a MAX but I found out it was an 800 of the current generation. So now I can be sure that it won't be a MAX. Good.

Yes, the infamous Oasis configuration in 737s is rolling out. Two main ways to tell - an Oasis 737 in coach starts at row 8 and goes to row 33 whereas the a non Oasis 737 starts at row 7 and goes to row 30. An Oasis 737 in First starts at row 1 whereas a non-Oasis 737 starts at row 3.

Boof02671 · Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:46 pm

washingtonflyer wrote:
AA just announced no MAX flights until at least June 5.

Bring on the Mad Dogs...

How many times does this have to be rehashed?

1. AA probably doesn’t own them anymore
2. They have been stripped of interiors and other components
3. They aren’t airworthy and need checks and ADs accomplished
4. There are only 10 left that AA still owns
5. They aren’t on the AOC anymore
6. Not enough qualified pilots.

washingtonflyer · Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:58 pm

And much of that discussion was predicated on the notion that we'd see the Max jets returning in a few weeks. We're now at a few -months- and running headlong into the summer schedule.

Boof02671 · Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:21 pm

It’s not going to happen it would cost millions. And you totally disregarded my post and the reality of the situation. Don’t let the facts get in your way.

SESGDL · Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:48 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
It’s not going to happen it would cost millions. And you totally disregarded my post and the reality of the situation. Don’t let the facts get in your way.

How is it that DL kept flying DC-9-50 and 747-400 flights after officially retiring them but AA is incapable of doing the same with the MD-80? I’m not saying they will but many other airlines have extended flying for retiring fleets due to operational reasons. I don’t think they would ever pull any out of the desert, but if the 737MAX fiasco extends any longer than planned, AA could undoubtedly look at keeping a few on a bit longer than originally anticipated. Not sure why you’re so adamant that AA can’t slow planned retirement or slightly extend S80 flying, if needed. Other airlines have done similar things many times.

Jeremy

Runway28L · Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:01 pm

SESGDL wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
It’s not going to happen it would cost millions. And you totally disregarded my post and the reality of the situation. Don’t let the facts get in your way.

How is it that DL kept flying DC-9-50 and 747-400 flights after officially retiring them but AA is incapable of doing the same with the MD-80? I’m not saying they will but many other airlines have extended flying for retiring fleets due to operational reasons. I don’t think they would ever pull any out of the desert, but if the 737MAX fiasco extends any longer than planned, AA could undoubtedly look at keeping a few on a bit longer than originally anticipated. Not sure why you’re so adamant that AA can’t slow planned retirement or slightly extend S80 flying, if needed. Other airlines have done similar things many times.

Jeremy

AFAIK the DC95 and MD80 have the same type rating (although switching between each requires a course that takes a few days to complete), so DL didn't have to deal with a smaller pilot pool for the DC-9 retirements since they still had 100+ MD-88s and MD-90s in the fleet in the late 2013-early 2014 timeframe, plus a few of the B712s that had just started entering the fleet

AA in comparison only has a handful of MD-80s in their fleet, much smaller than Delta's. So it's an entirely different situation here.

aacun · Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:09 pm

The Super 80’s simulators for pilots that are at the flight academy are to be gone by this month. Judging by that I think it’s safe to assume that sep is looking mighty firm as a retirement date for the rest of the MD’s.... The end is near for this airplane at AA!

OB1504 · Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:33 pm

American 767 wrote:
washingtonflyer wrote:
AA just announced no MAX flights until at least June 5.

That's good to know. I booked a flight on aa.com from MIA to LGA on May 15th. The seating layout looked like it was the exact same one as that of a MAX, yes in case you don't know, the 737-800 at AA has two different layouts. One of them matches that of the MAX. I was a bit concerned that it would be a MAX but I found out it was an 800 of the current generation. So now I can be sure that it won't be a MAX. Good.

It’s still an Oasis plane, so I hope you use the bathroom before the flight and have a good chiropractor.

Boof02671 · Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:01 pm

SESGDL wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
It’s not going to happen it would cost millions. And you totally disregarded my post and the reality of the situation. Don’t let the facts get in your way.

How is it that DL kept flying DC-9-50 and 747-400 flights after officially retiring them but AA is incapable of doing the same with the MD-80? I’m not saying they will but many other airlines have extended flying for retiring fleets due to operational reasons. I don’t think they would ever pull any out of the desert, but if the 737MAX fiasco extends any longer than planned, AA could undoubtedly look at keeping a few on a bit longer than originally anticipated. Not sure why you’re so adamant that AA can’t slow planned retirement or slightly extend S80 flying, if needed. Other airlines have done similar things many times.

Jeremy

I’m not talking about current ones, I’m talking about retired ones. Do you realize each of the 80s need a very costly ADSB AD and AA has not been doing any C or D checks on them and are parking them. And DL has been parking 80s and 90s as parts are getting scarce and there is only one vendor who overhauls the 90 engines.

777PHX · Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:14 pm

I'm pretty sure the autistic screeching for AA to hang on to the MD80s longer is the new "Boeing needs to restart the 757 line" thread of the moment.

It's. Not. Going. To. Happen.

Aircraft are no longer owned. Parts stocks are depleted. Still operational aircraft require mx checks to keep going. Pilots have moved on to other equipment. The recurrent training pipeline is closed.

Nevermind the fact that it would be more expensive to hold on to the MD80s than it would be to continue canceling flights, and Boeing will be reimbursing that expense, anyway.

AAlaxfan · Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:22 pm

Since the 757 line is no longer in play, could MD start the MD80 line again? :stirthepot:

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