AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Super80Fan · Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:37 pm

Why hasn't AA recanted yet on the whole OASIS mess, are the beancounters really that good at their jobs that they can ignore their customers and employees?

Boof02671 · Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:37 pm

Maybe in China, Long Beach is long gone lol

Boof02671 · Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:46 pm

https://simpleflying.com/history-of-the-boeing-757/

ctrabs0114 · Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:15 pm

anymaninfc wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
N381AN has officially left the fleet. Ferried JFK-ROW last night.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/N381AN

So now AA has 22 B767-300s. They're getting down there towards the last.

Looks like I'm going to have to find an excuse to fly AA between PHL-MIA, because that's where the 763s seem to be running, at least domestically.

Swadian · Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:50 pm

Super80Fan wrote:
Why hasn't AA recanted yet on the whole OASIS mess, are the beancounters really that good at their jobs that they can ignore their customers and employees?

Because UA and DL are doing the same thing? And HA, for that matter.

anymaninfc · Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:41 pm

Looks like A319-100 N772XF finally went into service today, April 7.

777PHX · Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:47 pm

AAlaxfan wrote:
Since the 757 line is no longer in play, could MD start the MD80 line again?

No, they're going to dig Delta's old DC9s out of MZJ.

777PHX · Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:56 pm

Super80Fan wrote:
Why hasn't AA recanted yet on the whole OASIS mess, are the beancounters really that good at their jobs that they can ignore their customers and employees?

It seems like they've realized they've gone too far, if not publicly.

If I'm going to fly the equivalent to Spirit, at least give me Spirit prices. AA is losing control over their yields because no one wants to pay a premium for such a garbage product. That's fine if you have Spirit's cost structure, not so much when you're still trying to con everyone into thinking you're still a full service airline.

Veigar · Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:41 pm

How much time does N501AA have left?

I had the pleasure of experiencing her for hop to ELP a week ago, very comfy airplane that I almost fell sleep in. Took tons of pics.

OB1504 · Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:05 am

777PHX wrote:
AAlaxfan wrote:
Since the 757 line is no longer in play, could MD start the MD80 line again?

No, they're going to dig Delta's old DC9s out of MZJ.

Clearly AA just needs to reactivate WN’s old 737-300s and WN can use the ex-AA MD-80s.

Flynclt20 · Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:07 pm

Anyone know when N161UW (LUS 321) comes out of her Oasis makeover?

AA321T · Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:26 pm

Flynclt20 wrote:
Anyone know when N161UW (LUS 321) comes out of her Oasis makeover?

Planned to exit on the 28th of this month. She's officially on the schedule flying AA2846 PHL-SEA-PHL daily starting on 5/2.

acavpics · Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:41 pm

AA321T wrote:
Flynclt20 wrote:
Anyone know when N161UW (LUS 321) comes out of her Oasis makeover?

Planned to exit on the 28th of this month. She's officially on the schedule flying AA2846 PHL-SEA-PHL daily starting on 5/2.

They use LUS A321s on this route? I thought they would use the newer sharklet fitted transcon A321s on PHL SEA.

row44seatk · Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:51 pm

ctrabs0114 wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
N381AN has officially left the fleet. Ferried JFK-ROW last night.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/N381AN

So now AA has 22 B767-300s. They're getting down there towards the last.

Looks like I'm going to have to find an excuse to fly AA between PHL-MIA, because that's where the 763s seem to be running, at least domestically.

And you can hop on 1368 every day MIA-LAS-MIA until only God knows when.

PHLspecial · Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:02 pm

acavpics wrote:
AA321T wrote:
Flynclt20 wrote:
Anyone know when N161UW (LUS 321) comes out of her Oasis makeover?

Planned to exit on the 28th of this month. She's officially on the schedule flying AA2846 PHL-SEA-PHL daily starting on 5/2.

They use LUS A321s on this route? I thought they would use the newer sharklet fitted transcon A321s on PHL SEA.

The LAA A321 is based in DFW and LAX so unfortunately no.

Detroit313 · Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:50 pm

The fleet website has been updated.

https://sites.google.com/site/newamericanfleet/

acavpics · Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:55 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
acavpics wrote:
AA321T wrote:
Planned to exit on the 28th of this month. She's officially on the schedule flying AA2846 PHL-SEA-PHL daily starting on 5/2.

They use LUS A321s on this route? I thought they would use the newer sharklet fitted transcon A321s on PHL SEA.

The LAA A321 is based in DFW and LAX so unfortunately no.

Just curious: In such a case, what is the point of basing an aircraft at certain airports? All of these are A321-200s. The only differences are that the LUS ones have the old wingtips rather than sharklets, LUS planes use CFM56's instead of IAE V2500's, and the cabins are different. I would have thought that the maintenance crews, FA's, pilots etc at different bases would be able to use each others' planes regardless of such differences?

anymaninfc · Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:08 am

acavpics wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
acavpics wrote:

They use LUS A321s on this route? I thought they would use the newer sharklet fitted transcon A321s on PHL SEA.

The LAA A321 is based in DFW and LAX so unfortunately no.

Just curious: In such a case, what is the point of basing an aircraft at certain airports? All of these are A321-200s. The only differences are that the LUS ones have the old wingtips rather than sharklets, LUS planes use CFM56's instead of IAE V2500's, and the cabins are different. I would have thought that the maintenance crews, FA's, pilots etc at different bases would be able to use each others' planes regardless of such differences?

As I understand it, the LAA and LUS Maintenance Programs have not been integrated. Consequently the respective aircraft have to be maintained by the legacy maintenance personnel until such time as the FAA approves an integrated maintenance program.

AA321T · Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:16 am

anymaninfc wrote:
acavpics wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:

The LAA A321 is based in DFW and LAX so unfortunately no.

Just curious: In such a case, what is the point of basing an aircraft at certain airports? All of these are A321-200s. The only differences are that the LUS ones have the old wingtips rather than sharklets, LUS planes use CFM56's instead of IAE V2500's, and the cabins are different. I would have thought that the maintenance crews, FA's, pilots etc at different bases would be able to use each others' planes regardless of such differences?

As I understand it, the LAA and LUS Maintenance Programs have not been integrated. Consequently the respective aircraft have to be maintained by the legacy maintenance personnel until such time as the FAA approves an integrated maintenance program.

This is correct, pilots and flight attendants can and do switch between legacy aircraft now but the maintenance programs are still separate.

Now, you do see a limited amount of LAA Airbus aircraft operating out of PHX already but later this year the LAA A321 will start operating flights to LAX and other cities out of PHL. You already see tons of LUS Airbuses in DFW and LAX and LAA 737's in PHX, CLT, and PHL though.

Boof02671 · Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:19 am

acavpics wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
acavpics wrote:

They use LUS A321s on this route? I thought they would use the newer sharklet fitted transcon A321s on PHL SEA.

The LAA A321 is based in DFW and LAX so unfortunately no.

Just curious: In such a case, what is the point of basing an aircraft at certain airports? All of these are A321-200s. The only differences are that the LUS ones have the old wingtips rather than sharklets, LUS planes use CFM56's instead of IAE V2500's, and the cabins are different. I would have thought that the maintenance crews, FA's, pilots etc at different bases would be able to use each others' planes regardless of such differences?

Not true LUS uses both CFM56s and IAE, they ordered both.

Boof02671 · Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:21 am

Maintenance programs are combined for the Airbus, AA is using the former US program.

Swadian · Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:41 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
Maintenance programs are combined for the Airbus, AA is using the former US program.

So what's the holdup with the A321?

Boof02671 · Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:04 pm

What hold up?

Swadian · Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:11 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
What hold up?

Preventing LAA A321 from deployment at LUS hubs?

Boof02671 · Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:54 pm

Not true, they fly into LUS hubs on occasion.

PHLspecial · Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:36 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
Not true, they fly into LUS hubs on occasion.

Where? It's not certainly PHL, when I look up tickets I see no LAA A321 ever. Only between DFW, LAX and ORD

FSDan · Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:51 pm

When is the last MD-82 supposed to be retired? Before summer? Or will it keep on truckin' with the -83s until they are all parked?

Boof02671 · Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:22 pm

Substitutions not scheduled. Only difference is sharklets and and a cabin. And the AA ordered A321neo are based in PHX. Which was a LUS hub.

sagechan · Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:15 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
Not true, they fly into LUS hubs on occasion.

Where? It's not certainly PHL, when I look up tickets I see no LAA A321 ever. Only between DFW, LAX and ORD

I see 1 PHX and 1 LAX scheduled LAA 321s in May for PHL.

Miamiairport · Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:43 pm

I don't think I've ever seen a LAA321 at CLT. But there's lots of LUS 321s (and 319s) out of MIA on legacy LAA routes (like MIA/ORD).

Boof02671 · Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:44 pm

You aren’t at CLT 24/7, are you?

washingtonflyer · Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:58 pm

From press reports, the MAX is grounded now until mid-August.

So, basically the entire summer schedule is now toast.

Miamiairport · Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:07 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
You aren’t at CLT 24/7, are you?

I'm there quite a bit. I saw my first LAA 321 there on Saturday. For the 4 hours I was there everything else was a LUS321. I see no evidence the LAA 321 is in CLT all that much. 321 routes have tended to stay with the LUS 321 for whatever reason.

washingtonflyer · Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:11 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
American 767 wrote:
TWA1985 wrote:
Does anyone else think AA should / will scoop up the 10 Wow Air A321’s now that the airline has ceased all operations?

In lieu of the 737MAX yes, that wouldn't be a bad idea. That would somehow help in compensating for the MAX fleet of 24 planes that has been grounded. I'm not even sure American still wants the remaining 76 MAX airplanes.

Do you realize they are all leased and would take months to convert. The Max’s would be back in the air before the first one could ever enter the fleet and who would fly them?

Still willing to run with that statement? No MAXs until August now....

Boof02671 · Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:12 pm

AA has updated the Max Cancellations through Aug 19th

Swadian · Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:40 pm

washingtonflyer wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
American 767 wrote:

In lieu of the 737MAX yes, that wouldn't be a bad idea. That would somehow help in compensating for the MAX fleet of 24 planes that has been grounded. I'm not even sure American still wants the remaining 76 MAX airplanes.

Do you realize they are all leased and would take months to convert. The Max’s would be back in the air before the first one could ever enter the fleet and who would fly them?

Still willing to run with that statement? No MAXs until August now....

The way it's looking, AA should cancel MAX orders and take WOW's A321s. The WOW A321s are similar enough that AA could keep the WOW interiors and only add F seats, later sending them through Oasis to standardize at 190 seats.

Boof02671 · Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:49 pm

washingtonflyer wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
American 767 wrote:

In lieu of the 737MAX yes, that wouldn't be a bad idea. That would somehow help in compensating for the MAX fleet of 24 planes that has been grounded. I'm not even sure American still wants the remaining 76 MAX airplanes.

Do you realize they are all leased and would take months to convert. The Max’s would be back in the air before the first one could ever enter the fleet and who would fly them?

Still willing to run with that statement? No MAXs until August now....

Yes it’s taken forever for AA to get one of the ex-frontier planes reconfigured and flying.

anymaninfc · Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:15 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
washingtonflyer wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
Do you realize they are all leased and would take months to convert. The Max’s would be back in the air before the first one could ever enter the fleet and who would fly them?

Still willing to run with that statement? No MAXs until August now....

Yes it’s taken forever for AA to get one of the ex-frontier planes reconfigured and flying.

It's up to two now, N778XF and N772XF. I believe N771XF will be the next.

American 767 · Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:04 am

FSDan wrote:
When is the last MD-82 supposed to be retired? Before summer? Or will it keep on truckin' with the -83s until they are all parked?

The last MD-82 will be gone by end of June, the -83s are staying till September. Oh well, that's according to Wiki.

Boof02671 · Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:39 am

Can’t rely on Wiki, it’s not credible

RyanCLT · Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:19 am

I recently heard that 5 or so MD-80s will fly from Roswell to Tuscon soon for maintenance before returning to service

Boof02671 · Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:55 pm

Swadian wrote:
washingtonflyer wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
Do you realize they are all leased and would take months to convert. The Max’s would be back in the air before the first one could ever enter the fleet and who would fly them?

Still willing to run with that statement? No MAXs until August now....

The way it's looking, AA should cancel MAX orders and take WOW's A321s. The WOW A321s are similar enough that AA could keep the WOW interiors and only add F seats, later sending them through Oasis to standardize at 190 seats.

You do realize the idol Max pilots can’t fly them?

Boof02671 · Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:55 pm

RyanCLT wrote:
I recently heard that 5 or so MD-80s will fly from Roswell to Tuscon soon for maintenance before returning to service

Dude they are NOT bringing any back. Enough with the BS rumors.

Swadian · Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:14 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
Swadian wrote:
washingtonflyer wrote:

Still willing to run with that statement? No MAXs until August now....

The way it's looking, AA should cancel MAX orders and take WOW's A321s. The WOW A321s are similar enough that AA could keep the WOW interiors and only add F seats, later sending them through Oasis to standardize at 190 seats.

You do realize the idol Max pilots can’t fly them?

No, but there's a ton of A320 pilots that could fly them. At least leasing WOW A321 makes more sense than bringing back MD-80.

Boof02671 · Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:18 pm

Swadian wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
Swadian wrote:

The way it's looking, AA should cancel MAX orders and take WOW's A321s. The WOW A321s are similar enough that AA could keep the WOW interiors and only add F seats, later sending them through Oasis to standardize at 190 seats.

You do realize the idol Max pilots can’t fly them?

No, but there's a ton of A320 pilots that could fly them. At least leasing WOW A321 makes more sense than bringing back MD-80.

Neither is going to happen, and AA is staffed for the fleet they have, not an additional 10.

OB1504 · Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:37 pm

Swadian wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
Swadian wrote:

The way it's looking, AA should cancel MAX orders and take WOW's A321s. The WOW A321s are similar enough that AA could keep the WOW interiors and only add F seats, later sending them through Oasis to standardize at 190 seats.

You do realize the idol Max pilots can’t fly them?

No, but there's a ton of A320 pilots that could fly them. At least leasing WOW A321 makes more sense than bringing back MD-80.

Look at how long it took to get the ex-Frontier A319s in service.

They’re not going to lease the ex-WOW A321s and they’re not going to bring MD-80s back from the desert. They’re still retiring airplanes even as all this is going on so it seems like they have everything handled with the airplanes they have now.

chonetsao · Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:54 pm

JFK planned runway works gives AA opportunity to maintain a certain degree of schedule by shuffling JFK capacity to other hubs. Ironic when we talk about all the JFK cuts. AA is lucky to have JFK at today's situation.

After August, MAX comes back and JFK continue to shrunk, AA does not need extra aircraft. Everything is in order. Some flights get cancelled and the yield in summer peak time is up as the capacity is down. Smooth... Dougie.

anymaninfc · Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:29 am

The final B788, N816AA requiring the PE mod arrived at PAE tonight. Another B788, N801AC should be returning to service tomorrow (my estimate). The mod of N815AA continues in work. They are running about 10 days now for the PE mod.

Swadian · Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:20 pm

chonetsao wrote:
JFK planned runway works gives AA opportunity to maintain a certain degree of schedule by shuffling JFK capacity to other hubs. Ironic when we talk about all the JFK cuts. AA is lucky to have JFK at today's situation.

After August, MAX comes back and JFK continue to shrunk, AA does not need extra aircraft. Everything is in order. Some flights get cancelled and the yield in summer peak time is up as the capacity is down. Smooth... Dougie.

If MAX doesn't come back in August, that's when AA leases those ex-WOW A321s. And even if MAX comes back later, AA likely to keep those A321s. Never say never.

Boof02671 · Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:38 pm

Not going to happen. And Boeing has completed all test flights, only awaiting FAA approval for the certification flight.

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