I'm assuming AA proactively changed the summer schedule rather than every 2-3 weeks needing to reset the schedule because the Max remains grounded. As far as the WOW 321s. I'm sure the leasing companies and finance companies want to find a new home for these birds asap. Given the popularity of that a/c type I'm sure there won't be any shortage of takers and certainly would not be surprise if some, or all, find a home at AA.

Cost too much to reconfigure and paint to AA standards and why lease planes for a short term issue?

Leasing company won’t lease short term nor pay the enormous expense. Like I said the Max is awaiting permission from the FAA for the certification flights.


https://twitter.com/boeingceo/status/11 ... 48099?s=21

Boof02671 wrote:

Cost too much to reconfigure and paint to AA standards and why lease planes for a short term issue?

Leasing company won’t lease short term nor pay the enormous expense. Like I said the Max is awaiting permission from the FAA for the certification flights.


https://twitter.com/boeingceo/status/11 ... 48099?s=21

AA has long-term use for more A321 regardless of MAX problems.

Swadian wrote:

Boof02671 wrote:

Cost too much to reconfigure and paint to AA standards and why lease planes for a short term issue?

Leasing company won’t lease short term nor pay the enormous expense. Like I said the Max is awaiting permission from the FAA for the certification flights.


https://twitter.com/boeingceo/status/11 ... 48099?s=21

AA has long-term use for more A321 regardless of MAX problems.

They have NEOS on order, they actually deferred A321neos and Max’s, so no they don’t have a need.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/american- ... uary-2019/

Boof02671 wrote:

Swadian wrote:

Boof02671 wrote:

Cost too much to reconfigure and paint to AA standards and why lease planes for a short term issue?

Leasing company won’t lease short term nor pay the enormous expense. Like I said the Max is awaiting permission from the FAA for the certification flights.


https://twitter.com/boeingceo/status/11 ... 48099?s=21

AA has long-term use for more A321 regardless of MAX problems.

They have NEOS on order, they actually deferred A321neos and Max’s, so no they don’t have a need.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/american- ... uary-2019/

Fleet plans change. If the lessor makes an "offer they can't refuse", they won't refuse it. Who do you propose will take those excess A321, if not the world's largest operator?

Not going to happen, you all here just don’t get it.

Any update on the 14 Oasis? Have they been flying?

I know one has been returned to service. A couple of others were almost repaired, could be back in the air by now.

Swadian wrote:

Boof02671 wrote:

Swadian wrote:

AA has long-term use for more A321 regardless of MAX problems.

They have NEOS on order, they actually deferred A321neos and Max’s, so no they don’t have a need.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/american- ... uary-2019/

Fleet plans change. If the lessor makes an "offer they can't refuse", they won't refuse it. Who do you propose will take those excess A321, if not the world's largest operator?

The WOW cabin layout is totally different and doesn’t even have the second galley.

And the FAA has convened a joint committee to review the MCAS and its work is supposed to be completed in 90 days

https://twitter.com/faanews/status/1119 ... 09920?s=21

https://www.faa.gov/news/updates/?newsId=93206

4/19/2019 3:00pm Update
Experts from nine civil aviation authorities have confirmed they will participate in the Boeing 737 MAX Joint Authorities Technical Review (JATR) that the FAA established earlier this month. The JATR team will conduct a comprehensive review of the certification of the aircraft’s automated flight control system.
The JATR is chaired by former NTSB Chairman Chris Hart and comprised of a team of experts from the FAA, NASA and international aviation authorities. The team will evaluate aspects of the 737 MAX automated flight control system, including its design and pilots’ interaction with the system, to determine its compliance with all applicable regulations and to identify future enhancements that might be needed.
The team is scheduled to first meet on April 29 and its work is expected to take 90 days.
Confirmed participants include:
Australia
Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA)
Brazil
Agencia Nacional de Aviação Civil (ANAC)
Canada
Transport Canada Civil Aviation (TCCA)
China
Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC)
European Union
European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA)
Japan
Japan Civil Aviation Bureau (JCAB)
Indonesia
Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA)
Singapore
Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore (CAAS)
United Arab Emirates
General Civil Aviation Authority (UAE GCAA)

Detroit313 wrote:

Any update on the 14 Oasis? Have they been flying?

There are two left in TUL, 3EA and 3FW, the rest have returned over the last 3 weeks or so. So far, no new frames have gone in for mods either. Maybe they are holding up conversions to cover for the MAX?

Boof02671 wrote:

Swadian wrote:

Boof02671 wrote:

They have NEOS on order, they actually deferred A321neos and Max’s, so no they don’t have a need.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/american- ... uary-2019/

Fleet plans change. If the lessor makes an "offer they can't refuse", they won't refuse it. Who do you propose will take those excess A321, if not the world's largest operator?

The WOW cabin layout is totally different and doesn’t even have the second galley.

How different were the F9 319s from the LAA/LUS 319s? If the price and conditions were right I would not be shocked if AA picks up a few of the WOW 321s. Not saying it's going to happen but could under the right circumstance.

BOSillini wrote:

Detroit313 wrote:

Any update on the 14 Oasis? Have they been flying?

There are two left in TUL, 3EA and 3FW, the rest have returned over the last 3 weeks or so. So far, no new frames have gone in for mods either. Maybe they are holding up conversions to cover for the MAX?

There were actually 17 that TULE reworked

Miamiairport wrote:

Boof02671 wrote:

Swadian wrote:

Fleet plans change. If the lessor makes an "offer they can't refuse", they won't refuse it. Who do you propose will take those excess A321, if not the world's largest operator?

The WOW cabin layout is totally different and doesn’t even have the second galley.

How different were the F9 319s from the LAA/LUS 319s? If the price and conditions were right I would not be shocked if AA picks up a few of the WOW 321s. Not saying it's going to happen but could under the right circumstance.

Not going to happen, WOW’s former A321s cabin layout is totally different, and like I’ve stated before they don’t even have the rear galley.

Why would AA lease planes when they deferred deliveries of A321neos and 737Maxs?

Use logic people.

Boof02671 wrote:

Miamiairport wrote:

Boof02671 wrote:

The WOW cabin layout is totally different and doesn’t even have the second galley.

How different were the F9 319s from the LAA/LUS 319s? If the price and conditions were right I would not be shocked if AA picks up a few of the WOW 321s. Not saying it's going to happen but could under the right circumstance.

Not going to happen, WOW’s former A321s cabin layout is totally different, and like I’ve stated before they don’t even have the rear galley.

Why would AA lease planes when they deferred deliveries of A321neos and 737Maxs?

Use logic people.

People loose their logic (as well as their sleep) when they are even more desperate and concerned than airline CEOs to find the non-existence problems of no aircraft in the airline fleet. It is called ArmChairManagementSyndrom (ACMS).

Next they will be saying bring back the 80s again.

For all the naysayers this is from AA


“So far, American has avoided looking at options like acquiring older aircraft or extending retirement dates of existing airplanes.”

BOSillini wrote:

Detroit313 wrote:

Any update on the 14 Oasis? Have they been flying?

There are two left in TUL, 3EA and 3FW, the rest have returned over the last 3 weeks or so. So far, no new frames have gone in for mods either. Maybe they are holding up conversions to cover for the MAX?

The rumor mill over on FT says that Oasis-ification has been put on hold while they look at fixing the F seats. But no mention of removing any Y seats or enlarging (replacing) the lavs.

It is put on hold, one is they can’t have planes out of service due to the MAX groundings

TXRoadMan wrote:

BOSillini wrote:

Detroit313 wrote:

Any update on the 14 Oasis? Have they been flying?

There are two left in TUL, 3EA and 3FW, the rest have returned over the last 3 weeks or so. So far, no new frames have gone in for mods either. Maybe they are holding up conversions to cover for the MAX?

The rumor mill over on FT says that Oasis-ification has been put on hold while they look at fixing the F seats. But no mention of removing any Y seats or enlarging (replacing) the lavs.

Why would they enlarge the lavs while their competitors Delta and United have the same exact lavs on their new 321 and 737 airplanes? Those lavs are the new industry standard. Delta and United have had them for years now. AA was the last to do it.

Detroit313 wrote:

Why would they enlarge the lavs while their competitors Delta and United have the same exact lavs on their new 321 and 737 airplanes? Those lavs are the new industry standard. Delta and United have had them for years now. AA was the last to do it.

I wasn't intending to suggest that they should, but that seems to be what those folks over there talk about when they talk about 'fixing' the MAX/Oasis config.

TXRoadMan wrote:

Detroit313 wrote:

Why would they enlarge the lavs while their competitors Delta and United have the same exact lavs on their new 321 and 737 airplanes? Those lavs are the new industry standard. Delta and United have had them for years now. AA was the last to do it.

I wasn't intending to suggest that they should, but that seems to be what those folks over there talk about when they talk about 'fixing' the MAX/Oasis config.

Well, that's all nonsense. Why are they not asking Delta, United, Southwest, JetBlue and others to fix their lavs too? We are talking about the same exact lav!

For all of you CEOs, four of WoW’s A321s have gone to Air Canada Rouge, and two are set to go to Spirit.

Boof02671 wrote:

BOSillini wrote:

Detroit313 wrote:

Any update on the 14 Oasis? Have they been flying?

There are two left in TUL, 3EA and 3FW, the rest have returned over the last 3 weeks or so. So far, no new frames have gone in for mods either. Maybe they are holding up conversions to cover for the MAX?

There were actually 17 that TULE reworked

Incorrect. 14 OASIS Aircraft were reworked and TUL only did 4 of those.

Planned 321-NEO routes for 2020

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... es-in-s20/

UpNAWAy wrote:

Boof02671 wrote:

BOSillini wrote:

There are two left in TUL, 3EA and 3FW, the rest have returned over the last 3 weeks or so. So far, no new frames have gone in for mods either. Maybe they are holding up conversions to cover for the MAX?

There were actually 17 that TULE reworked

Incorrect. 14 OASIS Aircraft were reworked and TUL only did 4 of those.

I have friends at TULE they had 17 planes there

TXRoadMan wrote:

Detroit313 wrote:

Why would they enlarge the lavs while their competitors Delta and United have the same exact lavs on their new 321 and 737 airplanes? Those lavs are the new industry standard. Delta and United have had them for years now. AA was the last to do it.

I wasn't intending to suggest that they should, but that seems to be what those folks over there talk about when they talk about 'fixing' the MAX/Oasis config.

On hold is likely tied to not having the Max a/c until what might be the Fall. It doesn't mean AA is reconsidering the Oasis retrofits.

Actually they are

Boof02671 wrote:

For all of you CEOs, four of WoW’s A321s have gone to Air Canada Rouge, and two are set to go to Spirit.

Interesting that these six are all going to LCCs. That being said, it looks like from Seatguru that NK's 321s have a rear galley....

washingtonflyer wrote:

Boof02671 wrote:

For all of you CEOs, four of WoW’s A321s have gone to Air Canada Rouge, and two are set to go to Spirit.

Interesting that these six are all going to LCCs. That being said, it looks like from Seatguru that NK's 321s have a rear galley....

Spirit could be modifying the cabins, they aren’t effected by the Max groundings as they have none, and Spirit is also taking a A320 also.

Boof02671 wrote:

Actually they are

What evidence? If AA is reconsidering the Oasis re-configuring that would most surely cause a public announcement with an 8-K filing with the SEC. By all means revenue figures for the next few years were probably based upon additional seating in narrow body a/c. If the additional seating doesn't come about that would impact sales forecast and expense leverage. Accordingly, this would be a "material event." Moreover, given the "densification" from other carriers why would AA reverse it's decision? If AA was the only carrier that would be one thing.

Now AA might upgrade the F section on Oasis as some top flyers have complained about the "cheapness" of the hard product, for example no divider between F and Y. However, to completely abandoned "densification" I don't see it. Not to mention the millions in sunk costs that would charged to the bottom line.

The Concierge Key Meeting.

https://www.inc.com/chris-matyszczyk/am ... catch.html

Which ex-WOW A321 going to AC? These already reported? https://airlinerwatch.com/wow-air-sells ... ir-canada/.

Boof02671 wrote:

The Concierge Key Meeting.

https://www.inc.com/chris-matyszczyk/am ... catch.html

Ah, that "opinion piece" as I said referred to F only, and even at that it was very vague of what AA might do for the F hard product. Nothing about the lav sizes and more rows being shoved into Y. Me thinks that Parker might make some minor modifications to F (like putting a divider up between F and Y) and call it a day. If you think he's going to reverse ripping out the AVOD and add the rows back to Y, or not install them in Y, you're a lot more optimistic than I am.

Miamiairport wrote:

Boof02671 wrote:

The Concierge Key Meeting.

https://www.inc.com/chris-matyszczyk/am ... catch.html

Ah, that "opinion piece" as I said referred to F only, and even at that it was very vague of what AA might do for the F hard product. Nothing about the lav sizes and more rows being shoved into Y. Me thinks that Parker might make some minor modifications to F (like putting a divider up between F and Y) and call it a day. If you think he's going to reverse ripping out the AVOD and add the rows back to Y, or not install them in Y, you're a lot more optimistic than I am.

Why would they put a wall between first and main while Delta and United have the same exact plastic divider that AA's Oasis and Max have?

Detroit313 wrote:

Miamiairport wrote:

Boof02671 wrote:

The Concierge Key Meeting.

https://www.inc.com/chris-matyszczyk/am ... catch.html

Ah, that "opinion piece" as I said referred to F only, and even at that it was very vague of what AA might do for the F hard product. Nothing about the lav sizes and more rows being shoved into Y. Me thinks that Parker might make some minor modifications to F (like putting a divider up between F and Y) and call it a day. If you think he's going to reverse ripping out the AVOD and add the rows back to Y, or not install them in Y, you're a lot more optimistic than I am.

Why would they put a wall between first and main while Delta and United have the same exact plastic divider that AA's Oasis and Max have?

I doubt AA will do even that. AA gave the CKs a nice event in which management blew smoke up their behinds.

Boof02671 wrote:

UpNAWAy wrote:

Boof02671 wrote:

There were actually 17 that TULE reworked

Incorrect. 14 OASIS Aircraft were reworked and TUL only did 4 of those.

I have friends at TULE they had 17 planes there

You need better friends, they are wrong.

Most recent episode of 'Tell Me Why' started that AA has a power initiative starting which will have power ports at every seat on every plane including 2 class regionals.

UpNAWAy wrote:

Boof02671 wrote:

UpNAWAy wrote:

Incorrect. 14 OASIS Aircraft were reworked and TUL only did 4 of those.

I have friends at TULE they had 17 planes there

You need better friends, they are wrong.

There were 17 planes at TUL for inspection at one point, but only four were re-worked in TUL. That's the key piece.

Appears the PE mod for AAs B788s have all been completed with the return of N816AA from PAE to ORD this evening.

So, it seems like all 14 Oasis are back to flying. Is that right?

Detroit313 wrote:

So, it seems like all 14 Oasis are back to flying. Is that right?

Only N843NN is still at Tulsa, but I don't know if that is because of Oasis or for some other reason. All other Oasis problem aircraft are back flying.

Miamiairport wrote:

Boof02671 wrote:

Swadian wrote:

Fleet plans change. If the lessor makes an "offer they can't refuse", they won't refuse it. Who do you propose will take those excess A321, if not the world's largest operator?

The WOW cabin layout is totally different and doesn’t even have the second galley.

How different were the F9 319s from the LAA/LUS 319s? If the price and conditions were right I would not be shocked if AA picks up a few of the WOW 321s. Not saying it's going to happen but could under the right circumstance.

The A321 is a hot commodity right now. There won’t be any need to make AA an offer they can’t refuse when there are plenty of other carriers that will happily sign a lease on a young A321.

washingtonflyer wrote:

Boof02671 wrote:

For all of you CEOs, four of WoW’s A321s have gone to Air Canada Rouge, and two are set to go to Spirit.

Interesting that these six are all going to LCCs. That being said, it looks like from Seatguru that NK's 321s have a rear galley....

IIRC Spirit is taking two A320s with IAE engines, not any of the CFM-powered A321s.

$350/MM in negative effects from the MAX.

UpNAWAy wrote:

Boof02671 wrote:

UpNAWAy wrote:

Incorrect. 14 OASIS Aircraft were reworked and TUL only did 4 of those.

I have friends at TULE they had 17 planes there

You need better friends, they are wrong.

I don't think they are wrong, but the post you replied to is misleading because TUL does lots of MX work on all sorts of fleet types. 17 planes in TUL is not out of the norm, but there is little chance that all 17 were there just for OASIS. He was not wrong with what he posted, but it was a bit misleading.

Based on info that's come out today.

1. MD80 retirement will not be postponed to help cover the schedule. They will still be retired this year.
2. OASIS mods are on hold for the summer schedule. They will be resumed in the fall.
3. 321-NEOs will not be used for transatlantic service anytime soon. AA does not believe it is capable of serving the Europe market effectively.
4. 787-9 were not acquired to fly short trips. This is leading to speculation about a return to TLV, or South Africa service.

apodino wrote:

UpNAWAy wrote:

Boof02671 wrote:

I have friends at TULE they had 17 planes there

You need better friends, they are wrong.

I don't think they are wrong, but the post you replied to is misleading because TUL does lots of MX work on all sorts of fleet types. 17 planes in TUL is not out of the norm, but there is little chance that all 17 were there just for OASIS. He was not wrong with what he posted, but it was a bit misleading.

Based on info that's come out today.

1. MD80 retirement will not be postponed to help cover the schedule. They will still be retired this year.
2. OASIS mods are on hold for the summer schedule. They will be resumed in the fall.
3. 321-NEOs will not be used for transatlantic service anytime soon. AA does not believe it is capable of serving the Europe market effectively.
4. 787-9 were not acquired to fly short trips. This is leading to speculation about a return to TLV, or South Africa service.

Looks like AA is keeping the 75L for a long, long time. They don't have anything to replace 75L. 763 are on the way out with 75L and 788 replacing.

N161UW - First Oasis Mod on the older LUS A321 is done or close to going back in Service, can anyone grab some shots of the inside and all the mods or post a link when they see one? Thanks!

N773XF was ferried to GYR via TUS today in Frontier colors with ViaSat Installed. Must've come in from San Salvador for immigration.

n7371f wrote:

N773XF was ferried to GYR via TUS today in Frontier colors with ViaSat Installed. Must've come in from San Salvador for immigration.

Can someone tell me what AA has accomplished on the ex-Frontier A319s at GYR ?

Also I'm wondering what gets accomplished at CLT on the A319s that seems to always take a month or more.

Thanks!

Hi all - random question and unsure if it's been answered. I live near the westbound final approach of KPHX. I notice often that there are some AA planes that have red markings on their winglets. What does this signify? I've seen it on 738s and 321s with sharklets.

Thanks in advance!