tnair1974 wrote:

Where is this AA DC-10 taking off from?

From a 1978 AA commercial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vNPAozYqAM

Just very curious. I wasn't even in Kindergarten then.

It doesn't appear to be LAX. Not SFO. I've read that in the early days of widebodies, US carriers flew them to many smaller stations (such as TWA's L1011s to DAY and MEM). So maybe this AA DC-10 is departing from PHX, TUS (both had AA DC-10 service), ABQ, SLC......?

MLIAA wrote:

AA didn’t order enough 787s to completely replace the 777-200 fleet. Keeping the A330-200s may be AA keeping its foot in the door to possibly buy the A330neo as a 777 replacement.

They can decide later if they want to have a 787 and A332/330neo fleet coexist or if they want to go straight 787s.

rj1385 wrote:

MLIAA wrote:

AA didn’t order enough 787s to completely replace the 777-200 fleet. Keeping the A330-200s may be AA keeping its foot in the door to possibly buy the A330neo as a 777 replacement.

They can decide later if they want to have a 787 and A332/330neo fleet coexist or if they want to go straight 787s.

I didn't think any of the current 787 order was for 777 replacement. I think when that order comes, then we may see the 787-9 and 10s ordered. I highly doubt the A330s will be ordered, but will be used for a better deal.

The 787-8s will replace American’s Boeing 767-300s, while later 787-9 deliveries will replace Airbus A330-300s and older 777-200 widebody aircraft

Vctony wrote:

tnair1974 wrote:

Where is this AA DC-10 taking off from?

From a 1978 AA commercial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vNPAozYqAM

Just very curious. I wasn't even in Kindergarten then.

It doesn't appear to be LAX. Not SFO. I've read that in the early days of widebodies, US carriers flew them to many smaller stations (such as TWA's L1011s to DAY and MEM). So maybe this AA DC-10 is departing from PHX, TUS (both had AA DC-10 service), ABQ, SLC......?

There is a body of water at the end of the runway. Any chance it’s some place in Hawaii?

anymaninfc wrote:

Am wondering why Wikipedia is showing AA with "In Service" of only 11 B767-300s, when they are operating 18 as of now.

jgcotter wrote:

B763 N395AN is en route from PHL to ROW for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N395AN

jgcotter wrote:

B763 N395AN is en route from PHL to ROW for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N395AN

cathay747 wrote:

jgcotter wrote:

B763 N395AN is en route from PHL to ROW for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N395AN

Jeez...first 394 on 11OCT, now this one on 04NOV...both of the 763's I flew on a Hawaii trip in 2010 retired within a month of each other.

And on reflection, this now means that every single aircraft I've ever flown on to/from Hawaii has now been at the least retired by the airline on which I flew it, or scrapped.

cathay747 wrote:

jgcotter wrote:

B763 N395AN is en route from PHL to ROW for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N395AN

Jeez...first 394 on 11OCT, now this one on 04NOV...both of the 763's I flew on a Hawaii trip in 2010 retired within a month of each other.

And on reflection, this now means that every single aircraft I've ever flown on to/from Hawaii has now been at the least retired by the airline on which I flew it, or scrapped.

anymaninfc wrote:

cathay747 wrote:

jgcotter wrote:

B763 N395AN is en route from PHL to ROW for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N395AN

Jeez...first 394 on 11OCT, now this one on 04NOV...both of the 763's I flew on a Hawaii trip in 2010 retired within a month of each other.

And on reflection, this now means that every single aircraft I've ever flown on to/from Hawaii has now been at the least retired by the airline on which I flew it, or scrapped.

There should be three more retired before Dec. 31 if they are to meet their YE fleet projection for B767-300s.

anymaninfc wrote:

Is N150UW the only A321 currently getting the OASIS mod? No other facilities?

jmc1975 wrote:

Vctony wrote:

tnair1974 wrote:

Where is this AA DC-10 taking off from?

From a 1978 AA commercial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vNPAozYqAM

Just very curious. I wasn't even in Kindergarten then.

It doesn't appear to be LAX. Not SFO. I've read that in the early days of widebodies, US carriers flew them to many smaller stations (such as TWA's L1011s to DAY and MEM). So maybe this AA DC-10 is departing from PHX, TUS (both had AA DC-10 service), ABQ, SLC......?

There is a body of water at the end of the runway. Any chance it’s some place in Hawaii?

It's definitely not PHX, but possibly TUS. I don't see a body of water at the end of the runway.

tnair1974 wrote:

jmc1975 wrote:

Vctony wrote:

There is a body of water at the end of the runway. Any chance it’s some place in Hawaii?

It's definitely not PHX, but possibly TUS. I don't see a body of water at the end of the runway.

Although I don't see water, perhaps can't rule out an airport on the Big Island of Hawaii, especially on the leeward (relatively dry) side.

It does not look like LAS as the mountains appear to be too close. Maybe SLC, although unlike Western and Delta, I've not come across info that AA routinely using widebodies there.

Varsity1 wrote:

tnair1974 wrote:

jmc1975 wrote:

It's definitely not PHX, but possibly TUS. I don't see a body of water at the end of the runway.

Although I don't see water, perhaps can't rule out an airport on the Big Island of Hawaii, especially on the leeward (relatively dry) side.

It does not look like LAS as the mountains appear to be too close. Maybe SLC, although unlike Western and Delta, I've not come across info that AA routinely using widebodies there.

Looks like Ontario, ONT

FX1816 wrote:

Varsity1 wrote:

tnair1974 wrote:

Although I don't see water, perhaps can't rule out an airport on the Big Island of Hawaii, especially on the leeward (relatively dry) side.

It does not look like LAS as the mountains appear to be too close. Maybe SLC, although unlike Western and Delta, I've not come across info that AA routinely using widebodies there.

Looks like Ontario, ONT

Definitely not ONT, the mountains look too close and the old Tower would have been visible in the background not long after they got airborne.

jmc1975 wrote:

FX1816 wrote:

Varsity1 wrote:

Looks like Ontario, ONT

Definitely not ONT, the mountains look too close and the old Tower would have been visible in the background not long after they got airborne.

Well, I am 99% sure it's PSP. After taking a quick look at Google StreetView around PSP, the mountains match up. This AA DC10 would likely be a 125pm to PHX, taking off toward the southeast. Keep in mind, it didn't take up much runway.

Vctony wrote:

jmc1975 wrote:

FX1816 wrote:

Definitely not ONT, the mountains look too close and the old Tower would have been visible in the background not long after they got airborne.

Well, I am 99% sure it's PSP. After taking a quick look at Google StreetView around PSP, the mountains match up. This AA DC10 would likely be a 125pm to PHX, taking off toward the southeast. Keep in mind, it didn't take up much runway.

I re-watched the video and looked at GSV images of PSP and I'll take your 99% and raise you that it is 100% PSP.

I made a mistake on my first watching and thought that the low cloud cover was a body of water but in re-watching the mountains are a total giveaway.

tnair1974 wrote:

Vctony wrote:

jmc1975 wrote:

Well, I am 99% sure it's PSP. After taking a quick look at Google StreetView around PSP, the mountains match up. This AA DC10 would likely be a 125pm to PHX, taking off toward the southeast. Keep in mind, it didn't take up much runway.

I re-watched the video and looked at GSV images of PSP and I'll take your 99% and raise you that it is 100% PSP.

I made a mistake on my first watching and thought that the low cloud cover was a body of water but in re-watching the mountains are a total giveaway.

Thanks everyone, nice investigative work! While I kept thinking outside the box (including YVR, GEG, RNO, etc), PSP never occurred to me. But AOGs from the time period indeed show AA DC-10 PSP-PHX segments during the winter, then 722s at other times of the year.

Interesting all the clouds in the video which may be a winter system about to affect normally sunny PSP (which is leeward or on the drier side of mountains). Such systems give a normally dry Palm Springs occasional winter rains (and very rare snows even at low elevation).

anymaninfc wrote:

Is N150UW the only A321 currently getting the OASIS mod? No other facilities?

757236 wrote:

I've been thinking about AA's fleet and am slightly confused about how they've managed to keep fleet numbers relatively stable whilst retiring the 757 and MD-80. From recollection, at the time of the massive Airbus/Boeing orders, AA had around 250(?) MD-80s and around 100 domestic 757's(?). From memory, they've received 100 737's and 130 A319/21ceo, plus smaller quantities of MAX and NEO. Perhaps I'm misreading the numbers but it seems like they should have a shortfall of around 100 planes since retiring the 75 and MD-80?

757236 wrote:

I've been thinking about AA's fleet and am slightly confused about how they've managed to keep fleet numbers relatively stable whilst retiring the 757 and MD-80. From recollection, at the time of the massive Airbus/Boeing orders, AA had around 250(?) MD-80s and around 100 domestic 757's(?). From memory, they've received 100 737's and 130 A319/21ceo, plus smaller quantities of MAX and NEO. Perhaps I'm misreading the numbers but it seems like they should have a shortfall of around 100 planes since retiring the 75 and MD-80?

Spacepope wrote:

jgcotter wrote:

B763 N395AN is en route from PHL to ROW for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N395AN

Just a baby. Not much more than 82000 hours on her.

Swadian wrote:

On the LAA side there's 467 mainline narrowbodies (491 if you include grounded 737 MAX):
32x A319
98x A321
9x A321neo
304x 737
24x 737 MAX
24x 757

In 1998, AA had 509 mainline narrowbodies:
260x MD-80
96x 757
78x 727
75x F100

The E175 does the job of the 75x MD-80, and AA has 231 of those in total. The widebody fleet also hasn't shrunk. There's now 150 widebodies compared to 139 in 1998, though it's shrunk if including the US Air 767-200s and impending 767-300ER retirement. However, most of the deficit results from obsolete 767-200, A300, and DC-10. They're replaced with the far more capable 777 and 787.

SESGDL wrote:

Swadian wrote:

On the LAA side there's 467 mainline narrowbodies (491 if you include grounded 737 MAX):
32x A319
98x A321
9x A321neo
304x 737
24x 737 MAX
24x 757

In 1998, AA had 509 mainline narrowbodies:
260x MD-80
96x 757
78x 727
75x F100

The E175 does the job of the 75x MD-80, and AA has 231 of those in total. The widebody fleet also hasn't shrunk. There's now 150 widebodies compared to 139 in 1998, though it's shrunk if including the US Air 767-200s and impending 767-300ER retirement. However, most of the deficit results from obsolete 767-200, A300, and DC-10. They're replaced with the far more capable 777 and 787.

Why would HP aircraft not be included? It’s not a fair comparison to compare pre-merger AA to their fleet now. AA’s post merger fleet overall has shrunk since AA and HP merged.

Jeremy

Swadian wrote:

SESGDL wrote:

Swadian wrote:

On the LAA side there's 467 mainline narrowbodies (491 if you include grounded 737 MAX):
32x A319
98x A321
9x A321neo
304x 737
24x 737 MAX
24x 757

In 1998, AA had 509 mainline narrowbodies:
260x MD-80
96x 757
78x 727
75x F100

The E175 does the job of the 75x MD-80, and AA has 231 of those in total. The widebody fleet also hasn't shrunk. There's now 150 widebodies compared to 139 in 1998, though it's shrunk if including the US Air 767-200s and impending 767-300ER retirement. However, most of the deficit results from obsolete 767-200, A300, and DC-10. They're replaced with the far more capable 777 and 787.

Why would HP aircraft not be included? It’s not a fair comparison to compare pre-merger AA to their fleet now. AA’s post merger fleet overall has shrunk since AA and HP merged.

Jeremy

Because AA didn't merge with HP?

Read my post again. I'm comparing pre-merger AA fleet to the post-merger LAA fleet, NOT "pre-merger AA to their fleet now".

LAA means post-merger aircraft that came from the LAA side. US/HP never operated 737-800. Notice how I listed only 98x A321, because the other A321s came from the US side.

jmc1975 wrote:

Vctony wrote:

tnair1974 wrote:

[i][b]Where is this AA DC-10 taking off from?

It's definitely not PHX, but possibly TUS. I don't see a body of water at the end of the runway.

JAAlbert wrote:

jmc1975 wrote:

Vctony wrote:

Having been raised in TUS, I am certain it is not TUS. The mountains appear too close and too many, even if accounting for a zoom lens. Perhaps Salt Lake City? Denver Stapleton?

As an aside, doesn't that DC-10 look beautiful flying away and up towards the sun? That was a gorgeous airplane back in the day. I remember AA flew the DC-10 to Tucson for a few years.

SESGDL wrote:

Swadian wrote:

SESGDL wrote:

Why would HP aircraft not be included? It’s not a fair comparison to compare pre-merger AA to their fleet now. AA’s post merger fleet overall has shrunk since AA and HP merged.

Jeremy

Because AA didn't merge with HP?

Read my post again. I'm comparing pre-merger AA fleet to the post-merger LAA fleet, NOT "pre-merger AA to their fleet now".

LAA means post-merger aircraft that came from the LAA side. US/HP never operated 737-800. Notice how I listed only 98x A321, because the other A321s came from the US side.

I read your post. Why are you not comparing pre-merger HP then with the post-merger “HP” fleet?

Jeremy

757236 wrote:

I've been thinking about AA's fleet and am slightly confused about how they've managed to keep fleet numbers relatively stable whilst retiring the 757 and MD-80. From recollection, at the time of the massive Airbus/Boeing orders, AA had around 250(?) MD-80s and around 100 domestic 757's(?). From memory, they've received 100 737's and 130 A319/21ceo, plus smaller quantities of MAX and NEO. Perhaps I'm misreading the numbers but it seems like they should have a shortfall of around 100 planes since retiring the 75 and MD-80?

SXDFC wrote:

I am currently flying on N191AN (5FA). Does anyone know when she’s supposed to be retired?

anymaninfc wrote:

SXDFC wrote:

I am currently flying on N191AN (5FA). Does anyone know when she’s supposed to be retired?

There is no publicly announced schedule for retirement of the legacy AA B757s.

Swadian wrote:

On the LAA side there's 467 mainline narrowbodies (491 if you include grounded 737 MAX):
32x A319
98x A321
9x A321neo
304x 737
24x 737 MAX
24x 757

In 1998, AA had 509 mainline narrowbodies:
260x MD-80
96x 757
78x 727
75x F100

The E175 does the job of the 75x MD-80, and AA has 231 of those in total. The widebody fleet also hasn't shrunk. There's now 150 widebodies compared to 139 in 1998, though it's shrunk if including the US Air 767-200s and impending 767-300ER retirement. However, most of the deficit results from obsolete 767-200, A300, and DC-10. They're replaced with the far more capable 777 and 787.

DeltaConnection wrote:

Swadian wrote:

On the LAA side there's 467 mainline narrowbodies (491 if you include grounded 737 MAX):
32x A319
98x A321
9x A321neo
304x 737
24x 737 MAX
24x 757

In 1998, AA had 509 mainline narrowbodies:
260x MD-80
96x 757
78x 727
75x F100

The E175 does the job of the 75x MD-80, and AA has 231 of those in total. The widebody fleet also hasn't shrunk. There's now 150 widebodies compared to 139 in 1998, though it's shrunk if including the US Air 767-200s and impending 767-300ER retirement. However, most of the deficit results from obsolete 767-200, A300, and DC-10. They're replaced with the far more capable 777 and 787.

Completely false stats. Minus the grounded 737 MAX's, AA's current narrowbody fleet includes the following:
133x A319
48x A320
219x A321
9x A321 NEO
304x 737-800
34x 757 (although a bunch of these only fly international or Hawaii).

deltaffindfw wrote:

DeltaConnection wrote:

Swadian wrote:

On the LAA side there's 467 mainline narrowbodies (491 if you include grounded 737 MAX):
32x A319
98x A321
9x A321neo
304x 737
24x 737 MAX
24x 757

In 1998, AA had 509 mainline narrowbodies:
260x MD-80
96x 757
78x 727
75x F100

The E175 does the job of the 75x MD-80, and AA has 231 of those in total. The widebody fleet also hasn't shrunk. There's now 150 widebodies compared to 139 in 1998, though it's shrunk if including the US Air 767-200s and impending 767-300ER retirement. However, most of the deficit results from obsolete 767-200, A300, and DC-10. They're replaced with the far more capable 777 and 787.

Completely false stats. Minus the grounded 737 MAX's, AA's current narrowbody fleet includes the following:
133x A319
48x A320
219x A321
9x A321 NEO
304x 737-800
34x 757 (although a bunch of these only fly international or Hawaii).

Apparently, you didn't read his post. He is posted only LAA aircraft.

Swadian wrote:

anymaninfc wrote:

SXDFC wrote:

I am currently flying on N191AN (5FA). Does anyone know when she’s supposed to be retired?

There is no publicly announced schedule for retirement of the legacy AA B757s.

Probably not until the A321XLR gets here, so 2026.

Runway28L wrote:

A21N N409AA scheduled to ferry PIT-PHX tomorrow morning for entry into revenue service.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9662

Was 409 the last A321neo delivery for 2019? IIRC the delivery schedule was reduced to nine frames for this year. There will be nine in service once 409 starts operating revenue flights.

deltaffindfw wrote:

Looking at 8LP, 789, from my flight, and I see a red line on the front landing gear. I thought the red line meant off warranty. It's that still the case?

DeltaConnection wrote:

deltaffindfw wrote:

DeltaConnection wrote:

Completely false stats. Minus the grounded 737 MAX's, AA's current narrowbody fleet includes the following:
133x A319
48x A320
219x A321
9x A321 NEO
304x 737-800
34x 757 (although a bunch of these only fly international or Hawaii).

Apparently, you didn't read his post. He is posted only LAA aircraft.

No such thing as "LAA" anymore, only American. Plus most routes are now operated by a mix of LAA and LUS aircraft.