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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:41 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
IAmGaroott wrote:
Some of those LUS A319/20/21s are getting on in years. Anyone have insight on when their leases are up or when they're due for D checks? I have to imagine they'll be on their way out sooner than later.


The oldest 319s in the AA fleet are 21 years old. I doubt any with be retired soon.

The oldest 320 is just shy of 22 years old.

The oldest 321 is short of 19 years.

AA is talking about big reductions in CAPEX to improve cash flow. That requires a cut in new frame deliveries. The 319/320/321s will be flown to economic end of life.


I think the 738s from the late 90s, the A320s and the LUS319s will be around to mid decade 2020. I wonder if AA will scrounge around for used a/c like the A319s that came from Frontier?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:14 pm

B763 N394AN ferried PHL-ROW this morning for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N394AN
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:44 pm

A21N N407AN also appears to be scheduled for delivery tomorrow, XFW-PIT.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9709

Tail number on FR24 is wrong, but aibfamilyflights has it listed as to be delivered tomorrow.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:06 pm

Runway28L wrote:
A21N N407AN also appears to be scheduled for delivery tomorrow, XFW-PIT.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9709

Tail number on FR24 is wrong, but aibfamilyflights has it listed as to be delivered tomorrow.

Looks like A321s N405AN and N407AN are both en route from XFW to PIT for delivery, about an hour apart.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N405AN
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N407AN
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:09 pm

Here is a link to the AA fleet data page.

https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Ame ... rlines.htm
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:05 pm

Phoenix757767 wrote:
Here is a link to the AA fleet data page.

https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Ame ... rlines.htm

Here’s another good one as well;
https://m.planespotters.net/airline/American-Airlines
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:33 pm

"Two new A321neos arrive

American Airlines took delivery of two new Airbus A321neo aircraft Oct. 11. The aircraft, which have U.S. Registration Nos. N407AN and N405AN, are the seventh and eighth of 12 neos expected to be delivered this year and the seventh and eighth in the fleet overall."
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:47 pm

X Frontier A319 flew to CLT for Induction this weekend too N776XF. Are there 9 of these birds total?


https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N776XF
 
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Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:21 pm

UpNAWAy wrote:
X Frontier A319 flew to CLT for Induction this weekend too N776XF. Are there 9 of these birds total?


https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N776XF


I believe it was 8 total ex-Frontier aircraft. N776XF is acft number 7, and I believe the final acft will be N775XF.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:32 pm

Miamiairport wrote:
I wonder if AA will scrounge around for used a/c like the A319s that came from Frontier?

Would not surprise me in the least if AA continued to go after 319s. The 319 is a very valuable commodity in the AA network and I could see them looking to pick up another 20.
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Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:51 pm

alasizon wrote:
Would not surprise me in the least if AA continued to go after 319s...

Most definitely.
 
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Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:11 pm

Are they getting 319s from Alaska or that was just a rumor?
 
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Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:20 pm

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Are they getting 319s from Alaska or that was just a rumor?


AFAIK, the 319s don't have a set withdrawal date from the AS fleet yet so they haven't been placed with anyone.
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Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:08 am

JonNYC wrote:
alasizon wrote:
Would not surprise me in the least if AA continued to go after 319s...

Most definitely.


Why are the A319s so valuable to AA operations (besides the Max grounding)?

Thanks,

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Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:24 am

gabep wrote:
JonNYC wrote:
alasizon wrote:
Would not surprise me in the least if AA continued to go after 319s...

Most definitely.


Why are the A319s so valuable to AA operations (besides the Max grounding)?

Thanks,

GCP


Complete speculation on my part but I'm guessing they're cheap to acquire (cheaper than buying A220s?), plus commonality as AA already flies the type. In addition LCC management can squeeze more seats in on a 319 compared to an A220. Last thing Doug would want is for his passengers to be comfortable.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:35 am

gabep wrote:
JonNYC wrote:
alasizon wrote:
Would not surprise me in the least if AA continued to go after 319s...

Most definitely.


Why are the A319s so valuable to AA operations (besides the Max grounding)?

Thanks,

GCP


Because AA already has like 120-130 319s.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:46 am

9w748capt wrote:
Last thing Doug would want is for his passengers to be comfortable.


He is not Michael O'Leary.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:59 am

gabep wrote:
Why are the A319s so valuable to AA operations (besides the Max grounding)?

Thanks,

GCP


Within the network, the 319 is a key piece within the profitability of the PHX & MIA operations and also works well on all the long and thin markets that AA flies. On the DFW/CLT side, they've already been used to replace 76-seat flying on intra-region frequencies.

Likewise, for each 319 added, it's also adds 1.5 76-seat aircraft (its the right size that allows minimal yield dilution and each plane allows roughly 0.4 large RJs into the scope) and that is a plus for AA.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Oct 16, 2019 4:25 am

alasizon wrote:
gabep wrote:
Why are the A319s so valuable to AA operations (besides the Max grounding)?

Thanks,

GCP


Within the network, the 319 is a key piece within the profitability of the PHX & MIA operations and also works well on all the long and thin markets that AA flies. On the DFW/CLT side, they've already been used to replace 76-seat flying on intra-region frequencies.

Likewise, for each 319 added, it's also adds 1.5 76-seat aircraft (its the right size that allows minimal yield dilution and each plane allows roughly 0.4 large RJs into the scope) and that is a plus for AA.


And once the E90s are gone, the 319 will be the only aircraft AA has in between the 76-seat CR9/E75 and the 150+ seat 320/738. UA has both 73Gs and 319s in that segment, and DL has 717s, 221s, 73Gs, and 319s.
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Wed Oct 16, 2019 4:26 am

jgcotter wrote:
B763 N394AN ferried PHL-ROW this morning for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N394AN


How many more are retiring over the rest of this year and into the first half of 2020?
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Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:32 am

FSDan wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
B763 N394AN ferried PHL-ROW this morning for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N394AN


How many more are retiring over the rest of this year and into the first half of 2020?


They are supposed to have 20 currently, and the last YE number I saw was 15. To meet that they would be retiring 5 move before YE2019.
I haven't seen AA projecting retirements within any year, but the trend seems to be to retire them after the busy summer season. Some of the retirements will probably depend on B787-8 deliveries in 2020.
 
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Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:45 am

https://aeronauticsonline.com/american- ... eet-plans/

“ Another major development for the airline’s fleet is its retirement of aging Boeing 767-300ER aircraft. American Airlines has announced that its fleet of the smaller wide-body aircraft will be retired by the end of 2020, and will be replaced by the larger and modernized Boeing 787 Dreamliner and Airbus A330 aircraft. Currently, the 767 operates from several of the airline’s bases, including its larger New York – JFK and Miami hubs.”
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:35 am

alasizon wrote:
gabep wrote:
Why are the A319s so valuable to AA operations (besides the Max grounding)?

Thanks,

GCP


Within the network, the 319 is a key piece within the profitability of the PHX & MIA operations and also works well on all the long and thin markets that AA flies. On the DFW/CLT side, they've already been used to replace 76-seat flying on intra-region frequencies.

Likewise, for each 319 added, it's also adds 1.5 76-seat aircraft (its the right size that allows minimal yield dilution and each plane allows roughly 0.4 large RJs into the scope) and that is a plus for AA.


Just what I was looking for––insightful analysis.

Thank you,

GCP
 
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:34 pm

A21N N409AA scheduled to ferry BFM-PIT today for delivery and induction.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9707
 
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Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:45 pm

Anyone know what the story is with N114NN?

This was the A321T that suffered the wing strike on takeoff. The damage didn't seem to be *that* serious, but it hasn't flown in six months.
 
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Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:48 pm

PhilMcCrackin wrote:
Anyone know what the story is with N114NN?

This was the A321T that suffered the wing strike on takeoff. The damage didn't seem to be *that* serious, but it hasn't flown in six months.

The wing is bent allegedly and Airbus doesn’t want the liability to fix it so no decision has been made c
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:49 pm

Runway28L wrote:
A21N N409AA scheduled to ferry BFM-PIT today for delivery and induction.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9707

Why would a new A321neo go to a vendor before PIT for induction? As PIT has been doing all the inductions straight from delivery from Airbus.
 
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Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:06 pm

Phoenix757767 wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
A21N N409AA scheduled to ferry BFM-PIT today for delivery and induction.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9707

Why would a new A321neo go to a vendor before PIT for induction? As PIT has been doing all the inductions straight from delivery from Airbus.

409 was built at Mobile, not Hamburg.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:22 pm

Runway28L wrote:
Phoenix757767 wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
A21N N409AA scheduled to ferry BFM-PIT today for delivery and induction.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9707

Why would a new A321neo go to a vendor before PIT for induction? As PIT has been doing all the inductions straight from delivery from Airbus.

409 was built at Mobile, not Hamburg.

Oh ok thanks.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:34 am

A21N N407AN en route PIT-LAX tonight for entry into revenue service.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9653

A21N N405AN scheduled to ferry PIT-PHX tonight for entry into revenue service.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9657

I noticed MSN 9224 which is slated to be delivered to AA at a later date will become N412UW. Interesting nod to US Airways (UW suffix) and Pittsburgh (412 area code) who is doing the induction work.
https://aibfamily.com/A320/9224
 
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Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:41 pm

B763 N392AN is en route from MIA to ROW for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N392AN
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:08 pm

jgcotter, is there any chance you could also post E-190 retirements? Thanks, either way.
 
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Fri Nov 01, 2019 6:54 pm

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jgcotter, is there any chance you could also post E-190 retirements? Thanks, either way.

Of course, sure will.
 
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Fri Nov 01, 2019 6:57 pm

jgcotter wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:
jgcotter, is there any chance you could also post E-190 retirements? Thanks, either way.

Of course, sure will.


Thank you, sir!
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:14 pm

jgcotter wrote:
B763 N392AN is en route from MIA to ROW for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N392AN


ROW must just be AWASH with ex-AA airplanes. The old 762's went there (or some did at least; wonder if any are left?), bunches of Mad Dogs; I think some 757's too?
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Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:21 pm

American 767 wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:
rj1385 wrote:
So now that the MD80's are out, is there any word to the last E190 flight for AA? I assume that with AA owning the planes there is not an extreme rush with the 737Max stuck on the ground. Also assuming the life of the E190 is dependent on the ability to get the used A319's in the air?


The last 14 E190s aren't scheduled to leave until sometime in 2020, according to the last plan.


That's right. And also 2020 is now when the last 767s are scheduled to be retired. The last one is expected to be phased out end of 2020. The MD-80s are gone. No new types are expected at this point, the A350s are not coming, so it looks like by 2021, there will be even fewer types and the fleet will look like this:

A319
A320
A321/321NEO
A332/333
B738/738MAX (if the MAX ever comes back, otherwise 738 of current generation only)
B757
B777-200/300ER
B787-8/9

So that'll bring the future mainline fleet down to only six types if you consider the A319/320/321 as one type. And again, I don't foresee the addition of a new type anytime soon.

Eagle fleet:
CR7/9
E145
E170


Among the more interesting AA decisions (to me anyway) for after 2021 will be how long or short the A332s stay.

The 788 is mentioned as a possible A332 replacement at some point. But the A332s are far from elderly. However, would a sub-fleet of only fifteen AA A332s rock the boat too much from a maintenance/pilot training standpoint after the A333s are gone (A333 retirements currently scheduled to start in 2023)? Are the RR Trents on the A332s similar enough to the Trents on the AA 777s for some commonality?
 
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Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:38 pm

cathay747 wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
B763 N392AN is en route from MIA to ROW for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N392AN


ROW must just be AWASH with ex-AA airplanes. The old 762's went there (or some did at least; wonder if any are left?), bunches of Mad Dogs; I think some 757's too?


At least in more recent times, the only exception I can think of right away is the small handful of AA's most elderly A320s. Instead of ROW, these A320s went to GYR to be scrapped.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:52 pm

cathay747 wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
B763 N392AN is en route from MIA to ROW for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N392AN


ROW must just be AWASH with ex-AA airplanes. The old 762's went there (or some did at least; wonder if any are left?), bunches of Mad Dogs; I think some 757's too?


Each retired AA 767-300 won't be staying there more than a few months.
 
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:25 am

wjcandee wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
B763 N392AN is en route from MIA to ROW for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N392AN


ROW must just be AWASH with ex-AA airplanes. The old 762's went there (or some did at least; wonder if any are left?), bunches of Mad Dogs; I think some 757's too?


Each retired AA 767-300 won't be staying there more than a few months.


Someone will have to correct me but weren't there some that didn't go into the Amazon feedstock?
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 3:22 am

alasizon wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
cathay747 wrote:

ROW must just be AWASH with ex-AA airplanes. The old 762's went there (or some did at least; wonder if any are left?), bunches of Mad Dogs; I think some 757's too?


Each retired AA 767-300 won't be staying there more than a few months.


Someone will have to correct me but weren't there some that didn't go into the Amazon feedstock?


Possibly two, leaving 20. They're not all for Amazon. They are for CAM, Cargo Aircraft Management, a leasing company owned by ATSG, which owns ABX Air, Omni and ATI. CAM put one of the retired AA 767-300s into a multi-month interior and exterior refurbishment and it now flies for Omni as a passenger aircraft. A few more likely will do the same. The rest will likely be converted to cargo over the next few years and leased to a variety of CAM's customers, potentially including UPS, which has started dry-leasing 767-300BDSFs from CAM. Should be 4 this year (one delivered, two painted and in conformity and one more coming). Amazon has only committed to 4 767-300s next year; it was to be 5 this year and 5 next year, all at ATI, but they changed it to 6 this year and 4 next year.
 
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 3:23 am

cathay747 wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
B763 N392AN is en route from MIA to ROW for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N392AN


ROW must just be AWASH with ex-AA airplanes. The old 762's went there (or some did at least; wonder if any are left?), bunches of Mad Dogs; I think some 757's too?

Amazon bought most of AA’s 762s and 763s from Jetran whom AA sold them too and Fedex bought a lot of the 757s.

https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Ame ... y-b767.htm

Shows AA’s 767s all placed with other operators, both cargo and passenger.
 
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:49 am

A quick correction: Amazon didn't "buy" anything. And they certainly didn't do anything with AA's 762s, which were purchased by Airborne Express and converted a long time ago. Did you mean ATSG? CAM? That would make more sense.

Jetran has a deal with AA. CAM has a deal with Jetran to option 20 or so of the 20-something Jetran purchases. It doesn't cost CAM that much to tie up the aircraft, which they then purchase as needed. CAM then dry-leases the aircraft to Amazon after converting them. Amazon initially dry-leased 12 767-200SFs that CAM had previously leased to other airlines, including ABX and Amerijet. 6 went to ABX to operate and 6 went to ATI. CAM then began converting eight 767-300s for Amazon, which were put into service at ATI, to total 20. CAM then did an additional deal with Amazon to add another 10 newly-converted 767-300s for Amazon over two years, all of which likely will be flown by ATI.
 
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:13 pm

All great info guys, thanks for all the replies. So it sounds like mostly Mad Dogs at ROW with the 763's only being somewhat-short-term "guests". I didn't realize Amazon took 762's, I thought it was all -300's; I thought all the -200's got scrapped.
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:27 pm

tnair1974 wrote:
American 767 wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:

The last 14 E190s aren't scheduled to leave until sometime in 2020, according to the last plan.


That's right. And also 2020 is now when the last 767s are scheduled to be retired. The last one is expected to be phased out end of 2020. The MD-80s are gone. No new types are expected at this point, the A350s are not coming, so it looks like by 2021, there will be even fewer types and the fleet will look like this:

A319
A320
A321/321NEO
A332/333
B738/738MAX (if the MAX ever comes back, otherwise 738 of current generation only)
B757
B777-200/300ER
B787-8/9

So that'll bring the future mainline fleet down to only six types if you consider the A319/320/321 as one type. And again, I don't foresee the addition of a new type anytime soon.

Eagle fleet:
CR7/9
E145
E170


Among the more interesting AA decisions (to me anyway) for after 2021 will be how long or short the A332s stay.

The 788 is mentioned as a possible A332 replacement at some point. But the A332s are far from elderly. However, would a sub-fleet of only fifteen AA A332s rock the boat too much from a maintenance/pilot training standpoint after the A333s are gone (A333 retirements currently scheduled to start in 2023)? Are the RR Trents on the A332s similar enough to the Trents on the AA 777s for some commonality?


I'm not the most knowledgeable technical expert about aircraft engines but here is what I am able to say: the A332 has Trent 700 Series and the 77E has Trent 800 Series, Trent 892 delivering 90000 lbs of thrust to be precise. These two engines are not exactly the same but I'm pretty sure that some parts are common to both. Also, don't forget the 757 which has RR-RB211 engines, although not Trent.
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Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:33 am

AA didn’t order enough 787s to completely replace the 777-200 fleet. Keeping the A330-200s may be AA keeping its foot in the door to possibly buy the A330neo as a 777 replacement.

They can decide later if they want to have a 787 and A332/330neo fleet coexist or if they want to go straight 787s.
A319 A320 A321 A332 B712 B722 B737 B738 B739 B744 B752 B763 B764 B772 B788 MD80 S340 E140 E145 E170 E175 CRJ2 CRJ7 CRJ9
 
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Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:44 pm

Interesting replies, thanks MLIAA and American 767. FWIW, I hope AA keeps the A332s.

But even if AA decides to get rid of the A332s early, maybe the improvements Airbus did in later A330s will give AA's A332s (along with their RR powerplants) more resale potential. In contrast, AA's A333s are earlier builds; among other things, newer A332s and A333s have shed a fair amount of excess weight.
 
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Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:47 pm

I'd put my money on them refurbishing the 77E and ordering more 789 in the future. Fleet simplicity at all costs.
 
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Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:00 pm

Swadian wrote:
I'd put my money on them refurbishing the 77E and ordering more 789 in the future. Fleet simplicity at all costs.


Not at all costs - Boeing could mess this up with pricing. But fleet/crew simplicity has value, and there's nothing a 330neo can do that the 787-8/9/10 family can't.
 
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Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:08 pm

Where is this AA DC-10 taking off from?

From a 1978 AA commercial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vNPAozYqAM

Just very curious. I wasn't even in Kindergarten then. :bouncy:

It doesn't appear to be LAX. Not SFO. I've read that in the early days of widebodies, US carriers flew them to many smaller stations (such as TWA's L1011s to DAY and MEM). So maybe this AA DC-10 is departing from PHX, TUS (both had AA DC-10 service), ABQ, SLC......?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:33 pm

tnair1974 wrote:
Where is this AA DC-10 taking off from?

From a 1978 AA commercial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vNPAozYqAM

Just very curious. I wasn't even in Kindergarten then. :bouncy:

It doesn't appear to be LAX. Not SFO. I've read that in the early days of widebodies, US carriers flew them to many smaller stations (such as TWA's L1011s to DAY and MEM). So maybe this AA DC-10 is departing from PHX, TUS (both had AA DC-10 service), ABQ, SLC......?


There is a body of water at the end of the runway. Any chance it’s some place in Hawaii?

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