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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:08 am

MLIAA wrote:
AA didn’t order enough 787s to completely replace the 777-200 fleet. Keeping the A330-200s may be AA keeping its foot in the door to possibly buy the A330neo as a 777 replacement.

They can decide later if they want to have a 787 and A332/330neo fleet coexist or if they want to go straight 787s.


I didn't think any of the current 787 order was for 777 replacement. I think when that order comes, then we may see the 787-9 and 10s ordered. I highly doubt the A330s will be ordered, but will be used for a better deal.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:22 am

rj1385 wrote:
MLIAA wrote:
AA didn’t order enough 787s to completely replace the 777-200 fleet. Keeping the A330-200s may be AA keeping its foot in the door to possibly buy the A330neo as a 777 replacement.

They can decide later if they want to have a 787 and A332/330neo fleet coexist or if they want to go straight 787s.


I didn't think any of the current 787 order was for 777 replacement. I think when that order comes, then we may see the 787-9 and 10s ordered. I highly doubt the A330s will be ordered, but will be used for a better deal.


The current 787 order is meant to replace older 777s.

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

The 787-8s will replace American’s Boeing 767-300s, while later 787-9 deliveries will replace Airbus A330-300s and older 777-200 widebody aircraft
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:26 am

Vctony wrote:
tnair1974 wrote:
Where is this AA DC-10 taking off from?

From a 1978 AA commercial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vNPAozYqAM

Just very curious. I wasn't even in Kindergarten then. :bouncy:

It doesn't appear to be LAX. Not SFO. I've read that in the early days of widebodies, US carriers flew them to many smaller stations (such as TWA's L1011s to DAY and MEM). So maybe this AA DC-10 is departing from PHX, TUS (both had AA DC-10 service), ABQ, SLC......?


There is a body of water at the end of the runway. Any chance it’s some place in Hawaii?

It's definitely not PHX, but possibly TUS. I don't see a body of water at the end of the runway.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:38 pm

B763 N384AA is en route from PHL to ROW for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N384AA
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:47 pm

Is that last 319 from Frontier finally flying?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:48 pm

B763 N395AN is en route from PHL to ROW for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N395AN
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:32 pm

Am wondering why Wikipedia is showing AA with "In Service" of only 11 B767-300s, when they are operating 18 as of now.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:50 am

anymaninfc wrote:
Am wondering why Wikipedia is showing AA with "In Service" of only 11 B767-300s, when they are operating 18 as of now.


Because it's... Wikipedia lol.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:47 am

jgcotter wrote:
B763 N395AN is en route from PHL to ROW for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N395AN


Just a baby. Not much more than 82000 hours on her.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:46 pm

jgcotter wrote:
B763 N395AN is en route from PHL to ROW for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N395AN


Jeez...first 394 on 11OCT, now this one on 04NOV...both of the 763's I flew on a Hawaii trip in 2010 retired within a month of each other.

And on reflection, this now means that every single aircraft I've ever flown on to/from Hawaii has now been at the least retired by the airline on which I flew it, or scrapped.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:13 pm

cathay747 wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
B763 N395AN is en route from PHL to ROW for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N395AN


Jeez...first 394 on 11OCT, now this one on 04NOV...both of the 763's I flew on a Hawaii trip in 2010 retired within a month of each other.

And on reflection, this now means that every single aircraft I've ever flown on to/from Hawaii has now been at the least retired by the airline on which I flew it, or scrapped.


There should be three more retired before Dec. 31 if they are to meet their YE fleet projection for B767-300s.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:13 pm

cathay747 wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
B763 N395AN is en route from PHL to ROW for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N395AN


Jeez...first 394 on 11OCT, now this one on 04NOV...both of the 763's I flew on a Hawaii trip in 2010 retired within a month of each other.

And on reflection, this now means that every single aircraft I've ever flown on to/from Hawaii has now been at the least retired by the airline on which I flew it, or scrapped.


There should be three more retired before Dec. 31 if they are to meet their YE fleet projection for B767-300s.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:45 pm

anymaninfc wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
B763 N395AN is en route from PHL to ROW for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N395AN


Jeez...first 394 on 11OCT, now this one on 04NOV...both of the 763's I flew on a Hawaii trip in 2010 retired within a month of each other.

And on reflection, this now means that every single aircraft I've ever flown on to/from Hawaii has now been at the least retired by the airline on which I flew it, or scrapped.


There should be three more retired before Dec. 31 if they are to meet their YE fleet projection for B767-300s.


Err, make that two more...I missed 384 being retired, also on 11-4.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:54 pm

Is N150UW the only A321 currently getting the OASIS mod? No other facilities?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:16 pm

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Is N150UW the only A321 currently getting the OASIS mod? No other facilities?

321 mods will come in time. Everything was paused with the MAX OOS
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:59 pm

Anybody know what is going on with the guy who previously maintained the American Fleet Site. I believe his name was Rob Sheperd and he had a gmail address of dashtrash89? I sent him an email some time ago asking how he was, and got no response. The American Fleet Site has not be updated since June.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:55 pm

jmc1975 wrote:
Vctony wrote:
tnair1974 wrote:
Where is this AA DC-10 taking off from?

From a 1978 AA commercial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vNPAozYqAM

Just very curious. I wasn't even in Kindergarten then. :bouncy:

It doesn't appear to be LAX. Not SFO. I've read that in the early days of widebodies, US carriers flew them to many smaller stations (such as TWA's L1011s to DAY and MEM). So maybe this AA DC-10 is departing from PHX, TUS (both had AA DC-10 service), ABQ, SLC......?


There is a body of water at the end of the runway. Any chance it’s some place in Hawaii?

It's definitely not PHX, but possibly TUS. I don't see a body of water at the end of the runway.


Although I don't see water, perhaps can't rule out an airport on the Big Island of Hawaii, especially on the leeward (relatively dry) side.

It does not look like LAS as the mountains appear to be too close. Maybe SLC, although unlike Western and Delta, I've not come across info that AA routinely using widebodies there.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:23 pm

tnair1974 wrote:
jmc1975 wrote:
Vctony wrote:

There is a body of water at the end of the runway. Any chance it’s some place in Hawaii?

It's definitely not PHX, but possibly TUS. I don't see a body of water at the end of the runway.


Although I don't see water, perhaps can't rule out an airport on the Big Island of Hawaii, especially on the leeward (relatively dry) side.

It does not look like LAS as the mountains appear to be too close. Maybe SLC, although unlike Western and Delta, I've not come across info that AA routinely using widebodies there.


Looks like Ontario, ONT
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:34 am

Varsity1 wrote:
tnair1974 wrote:
jmc1975 wrote:
It's definitely not PHX, but possibly TUS. I don't see a body of water at the end of the runway.


Although I don't see water, perhaps can't rule out an airport on the Big Island of Hawaii, especially on the leeward (relatively dry) side.

It does not look like LAS as the mountains appear to be too close. Maybe SLC, although unlike Western and Delta, I've not come across info that AA routinely using widebodies there.


Looks like Ontario, ONT


Definitely not ONT, the mountains look too close and the old Tower would have been visible in the background not long after they got airborne.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:58 am

FX1816 wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
tnair1974 wrote:

Although I don't see water, perhaps can't rule out an airport on the Big Island of Hawaii, especially on the leeward (relatively dry) side.

It does not look like LAS as the mountains appear to be too close. Maybe SLC, although unlike Western and Delta, I've not come across info that AA routinely using widebodies there.


Looks like Ontario, ONT


Definitely not ONT, the mountains look too close and the old Tower would have been visible in the background not long after they got airborne.


Well, I am 99% sure it's PSP. After taking a quick look at Google StreetView around PSP, the mountains match up. This AA DC10 would likely be a 125pm to PHX, taking off toward the southeast. Keep in mind, it didn't take up much runway.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:04 am

jmc1975 wrote:
FX1816 wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:

Looks like Ontario, ONT


Definitely not ONT, the mountains look too close and the old Tower would have been visible in the background not long after they got airborne.


Well, I am 99% sure it's PSP. After taking a quick look at Google StreetView around PSP, the mountains match up. This AA DC10 would likely be a 125pm to PHX, taking off toward the southeast. Keep in mind, it didn't take up much runway.


I re-watched the video and looked at GSV images of PSP and I'll take your 99% and raise you that it is 100% PSP.

I made a mistake on my first watching and thought that the low cloud cover was a body of water but in re-watching the mountains are a total giveaway.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:20 am

Vctony wrote:
jmc1975 wrote:
FX1816 wrote:

Definitely not ONT, the mountains look too close and the old Tower would have been visible in the background not long after they got airborne.


Well, I am 99% sure it's PSP. After taking a quick look at Google StreetView around PSP, the mountains match up. This AA DC10 would likely be a 125pm to PHX, taking off toward the southeast. Keep in mind, it didn't take up much runway.


I re-watched the video and looked at GSV images of PSP and I'll take your 99% and raise you that it is 100% PSP.

I made a mistake on my first watching and thought that the low cloud cover was a body of water but in re-watching the mountains are a total giveaway.


Thanks everyone, nice investigative work! While I kept thinking outside the box (including YVR, GEG, RNO, etc), PSP never occurred to me. But AOGs from the time period indeed show AA DC-10 PSP-PHX segments during the winter, then 722s at other times of the year.

Interesting all the clouds in the video which may be a winter system about to affect normally sunny PSP (which is leeward or on the drier side of mountains). Such systems give a normally dry Palm Springs occasional winter rains (and very rare snows even at low elevation).
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:10 am

tnair1974 wrote:
Vctony wrote:
jmc1975 wrote:

Well, I am 99% sure it's PSP. After taking a quick look at Google StreetView around PSP, the mountains match up. This AA DC10 would likely be a 125pm to PHX, taking off toward the southeast. Keep in mind, it didn't take up much runway.


I re-watched the video and looked at GSV images of PSP and I'll take your 99% and raise you that it is 100% PSP.

I made a mistake on my first watching and thought that the low cloud cover was a body of water but in re-watching the mountains are a total giveaway.


Thanks everyone, nice investigative work! While I kept thinking outside the box (including YVR, GEG, RNO, etc), PSP never occurred to me. But AOGs from the time period indeed show AA DC-10 PSP-PHX segments during the winter, then 722s at other times of the year.

Interesting all the clouds in the video which may be a winter system about to affect normally sunny PSP (which is leeward or on the drier side of mountains). Such systems give a normally dry Palm Springs occasional winter rains (and very rare snows even at low elevation).


It also could’ve been a one off photo shoot. So it might not have been shot during the winter.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:44 pm

anymaninfc wrote:
Is N150UW the only A321 currently getting the OASIS mod? No other facilities?



Currently TUL and GSO are doing Oasis. In January the base MX stations start doing them also during any heavy check visits.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:36 pm

I've been thinking about AA's fleet and am slightly confused about how they've managed to keep fleet numbers relatively stable whilst retiring the 757 and MD-80. From recollection, at the time of the massive Airbus/Boeing orders, AA had around 250(?) MD-80s and around 100 domestic 757's(?). From memory, they've received 100 737's and 130 A319/21ceo, plus smaller quantities of MAX and NEO. Perhaps I'm misreading the numbers but it seems like they should have a shortfall of around 100 planes since retiring the 75 and MD-80?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:03 pm

757236 wrote:
I've been thinking about AA's fleet and am slightly confused about how they've managed to keep fleet numbers relatively stable whilst retiring the 757 and MD-80. From recollection, at the time of the massive Airbus/Boeing orders, AA had around 250(?) MD-80s and around 100 domestic 757's(?). From memory, they've received 100 737's and 130 A319/21ceo, plus smaller quantities of MAX and NEO. Perhaps I'm misreading the numbers but it seems like they should have a shortfall of around 100 planes since retiring the 75 and MD-80?


Don't forget the giant number of E175 Envoy received in the last few years. Also replacing MD80s with A321 and 738 brings you more seats per flight to offer.
Regarding the fleet number, there were also more 787 coming in than 767 leaving.
AB6 - A319 - A320 - A321 - A333 - A388 - AT42 - 733 - 734 - 735 - 73H - 738 - 752 - 753 - 763 - 772 - DC10 - MD83
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:28 pm

757236 wrote:
I've been thinking about AA's fleet and am slightly confused about how they've managed to keep fleet numbers relatively stable whilst retiring the 757 and MD-80. From recollection, at the time of the massive Airbus/Boeing orders, AA had around 250(?) MD-80s and around 100 domestic 757's(?). From memory, they've received 100 737's and 130 A319/21ceo, plus smaller quantities of MAX and NEO. Perhaps I'm misreading the numbers but it seems like they should have a shortfall of around 100 planes since retiring the 75 and MD-80?


Simple answer is that AA’s mainline fleet has shrunk.

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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:49 pm

Spacepope wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
B763 N395AN is en route from PHL to ROW for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N395AN


Just a baby. Not much more than 82000 hours on her.


Darn, and just to think they were keeping them until next year since the Max groundings. Man I missed a lot. I hope I can experience flying on one soon but that's gonna be a very slim chance.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:43 pm

On the LAA side there's 467 mainline narrowbodies (491 if you include grounded 737 MAX):
32x A319
98x A321
9x A321neo
304x 737
24x 737 MAX
24x 757

In 1998, AA had 509 mainline narrowbodies:
260x MD-80
96x 757
78x 727
75x F100

The E175 does the job of the 75x MD-80, and AA has 231 of those in total. The widebody fleet also hasn't shrunk. There's now 150 widebodies compared to 139 in 1998, though it's shrunk if including the US Air 767-200s and impending 767-300ER retirement. However, most of the deficit results from obsolete 767-200, A300, and DC-10. They're replaced with the far more capable 777 and 787.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:06 pm

Swadian wrote:
On the LAA side there's 467 mainline narrowbodies (491 if you include grounded 737 MAX):
32x A319
98x A321
9x A321neo
304x 737
24x 737 MAX
24x 757

In 1998, AA had 509 mainline narrowbodies:
260x MD-80
96x 757
78x 727
75x F100

The E175 does the job of the 75x MD-80, and AA has 231 of those in total. The widebody fleet also hasn't shrunk. There's now 150 widebodies compared to 139 in 1998, though it's shrunk if including the US Air 767-200s and impending 767-300ER retirement. However, most of the deficit results from obsolete 767-200, A300, and DC-10. They're replaced with the far more capable 777 and 787.


Why would HP aircraft not be included? It’s not a fair comparison to compare pre-merger AA to their fleet now. AA’s post merger fleet overall has shrunk since AA and HP merged.

Jeremy
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:25 am

SESGDL wrote:
Swadian wrote:
On the LAA side there's 467 mainline narrowbodies (491 if you include grounded 737 MAX):
32x A319
98x A321
9x A321neo
304x 737
24x 737 MAX
24x 757

In 1998, AA had 509 mainline narrowbodies:
260x MD-80
96x 757
78x 727
75x F100

The E175 does the job of the 75x MD-80, and AA has 231 of those in total. The widebody fleet also hasn't shrunk. There's now 150 widebodies compared to 139 in 1998, though it's shrunk if including the US Air 767-200s and impending 767-300ER retirement. However, most of the deficit results from obsolete 767-200, A300, and DC-10. They're replaced with the far more capable 777 and 787.


Why would HP aircraft not be included? It’s not a fair comparison to compare pre-merger AA to their fleet now. AA’s post merger fleet overall has shrunk since AA and HP merged.

Jeremy


Because AA didn't merge with HP?

Read my post again. I'm comparing pre-merger AA fleet to the post-merger LAA fleet, NOT "pre-merger AA to their fleet now".

LAA means post-merger aircraft that came from the LAA side. US/HP never operated 737-800. Notice how I listed only 98x A321, because the other A321s came from the US side.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:17 am

Swadian wrote:
SESGDL wrote:
Swadian wrote:
On the LAA side there's 467 mainline narrowbodies (491 if you include grounded 737 MAX):
32x A319
98x A321
9x A321neo
304x 737
24x 737 MAX
24x 757

In 1998, AA had 509 mainline narrowbodies:
260x MD-80
96x 757
78x 727
75x F100

The E175 does the job of the 75x MD-80, and AA has 231 of those in total. The widebody fleet also hasn't shrunk. There's now 150 widebodies compared to 139 in 1998, though it's shrunk if including the US Air 767-200s and impending 767-300ER retirement. However, most of the deficit results from obsolete 767-200, A300, and DC-10. They're replaced with the far more capable 777 and 787.


Why would HP aircraft not be included? It’s not a fair comparison to compare pre-merger AA to their fleet now. AA’s post merger fleet overall has shrunk since AA and HP merged.

Jeremy


Because AA didn't merge with HP?

Read my post again. I'm comparing pre-merger AA fleet to the post-merger LAA fleet, NOT "pre-merger AA to their fleet now".

LAA means post-merger aircraft that came from the LAA side. US/HP never operated 737-800. Notice how I listed only 98x A321, because the other A321s came from the US side.


I read your post. Why are you not comparing pre-merger HP then with the post-merger “HP” fleet?

Jeremy
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:13 pm

jmc1975 wrote:
Vctony wrote:
tnair1974 wrote:
[i][b]Where is this AA DC-10 taking off from?

It's definitely not PHX, but possibly TUS. I don't see a body of water at the end of the runway.


Having been raised in TUS, I am certain it is not TUS. The mountains appear too close and too many, even if accounting for a zoom lens. Perhaps Salt Lake City? Denver Stapleton?

As an aside, doesn't that DC-10 look beautiful flying away and up towards the sun? That was a gorgeous airplane back in the day. I remember AA flew the DC-10 to Tucson for a few years.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:32 pm

JAAlbert wrote:
jmc1975 wrote:
Vctony wrote:


Having been raised in TUS, I am certain it is not TUS. The mountains appear too close and too many, even if accounting for a zoom lens. Perhaps Salt Lake City? Denver Stapleton?

Consensus among several here led to PSP being the airport. See earlier posts above.

BTW, I previously mentioned looking up the "AOG" when I meant to say OAG (Official Airline Guide).

As an aside, doesn't that DC-10 look beautiful flying away and up towards the sun? That was a gorgeous airplane back in the day. I remember AA flew the DC-10 to Tucson for a few years.

:checkmark: :cloudnine:

As a kid, I loved both the sight and the unique sound of the GE powered DC-10s.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:50 am

SESGDL wrote:
Swadian wrote:
SESGDL wrote:

Why would HP aircraft not be included? It’s not a fair comparison to compare pre-merger AA to their fleet now. AA’s post merger fleet overall has shrunk since AA and HP merged.

Jeremy


Because AA didn't merge with HP?

Read my post again. I'm comparing pre-merger AA fleet to the post-merger LAA fleet, NOT "pre-merger AA to their fleet now".

LAA means post-merger aircraft that came from the LAA side. US/HP never operated 737-800. Notice how I listed only 98x A321, because the other A321s came from the US side.


I read your post. Why are you not comparing pre-merger HP then with the post-merger “HP” fleet?

Jeremy


Because poster "757236", whom you responded to, was comparing pre-merger AA fleet to the current AA fleet. Notice how he explicity mentions the MD-80. HP never operated the MD-80 and HP no longer exists. This is an AA thread, not a HP thread. HP has been gone since 2005 and isn't relevant to the discussion.

757236 wrote:
I've been thinking about AA's fleet and am slightly confused about how they've managed to keep fleet numbers relatively stable whilst retiring the 757 and MD-80. From recollection, at the time of the massive Airbus/Boeing orders, AA had around 250(?) MD-80s and around 100 domestic 757's(?). From memory, they've received 100 737's and 130 A319/21ceo, plus smaller quantities of MAX and NEO. Perhaps I'm misreading the numbers but it seems like they should have a shortfall of around 100 planes since retiring the 75 and MD-80?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:22 am

I am currently flying on N191AN (5FA). Does anyone know when she’s supposed to be retired?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:27 am

SXDFC wrote:
I am currently flying on N191AN (5FA). Does anyone know when she’s supposed to be retired?


There is no publicly announced schedule for retirement of the legacy AA B757s.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:34 pm

anymaninfc wrote:
SXDFC wrote:
I am currently flying on N191AN (5FA). Does anyone know when she’s supposed to be retired?


There is no publicly announced schedule for retirement of the legacy AA B757s.


Probably not until the A321XLR gets here, so 2026.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:47 pm

Swadian wrote:
On the LAA side there's 467 mainline narrowbodies (491 if you include grounded 737 MAX):
32x A319
98x A321
9x A321neo
304x 737
24x 737 MAX
24x 757

In 1998, AA had 509 mainline narrowbodies:
260x MD-80
96x 757
78x 727
75x F100

The E175 does the job of the 75x MD-80, and AA has 231 of those in total. The widebody fleet also hasn't shrunk. There's now 150 widebodies compared to 139 in 1998, though it's shrunk if including the US Air 767-200s and impending 767-300ER retirement. However, most of the deficit results from obsolete 767-200, A300, and DC-10. They're replaced with the far more capable 777 and 787.


Completely false stats. Minus the grounded 737 MAX's, AA's current narrowbody fleet includes the following:
133x A319
48x A320
219x A321
9x A321 NEO
304x 737-800
34x 757 (although a bunch of these only fly international or Hawaii).
 
deltaffindfw
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:49 pm

DeltaConnection wrote:
Swadian wrote:
On the LAA side there's 467 mainline narrowbodies (491 if you include grounded 737 MAX):
32x A319
98x A321
9x A321neo
304x 737
24x 737 MAX
24x 757

In 1998, AA had 509 mainline narrowbodies:
260x MD-80
96x 757
78x 727
75x F100

The E175 does the job of the 75x MD-80, and AA has 231 of those in total. The widebody fleet also hasn't shrunk. There's now 150 widebodies compared to 139 in 1998, though it's shrunk if including the US Air 767-200s and impending 767-300ER retirement. However, most of the deficit results from obsolete 767-200, A300, and DC-10. They're replaced with the far more capable 777 and 787.


Completely false stats. Minus the grounded 737 MAX's, AA's current narrowbody fleet includes the following:
133x A319
48x A320
219x A321
9x A321 NEO
304x 737-800
34x 757 (although a bunch of these only fly international or Hawaii).


Apparently, you didn't read his post. He is posted only LAA aircraft.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:54 pm

deltaffindfw wrote:
DeltaConnection wrote:
Swadian wrote:
On the LAA side there's 467 mainline narrowbodies (491 if you include grounded 737 MAX):
32x A319
98x A321
9x A321neo
304x 737
24x 737 MAX
24x 757

In 1998, AA had 509 mainline narrowbodies:
260x MD-80
96x 757
78x 727
75x F100

The E175 does the job of the 75x MD-80, and AA has 231 of those in total. The widebody fleet also hasn't shrunk. There's now 150 widebodies compared to 139 in 1998, though it's shrunk if including the US Air 767-200s and impending 767-300ER retirement. However, most of the deficit results from obsolete 767-200, A300, and DC-10. They're replaced with the far more capable 777 and 787.


Completely false stats. Minus the grounded 737 MAX's, AA's current narrowbody fleet includes the following:
133x A319
48x A320
219x A321
9x A321 NEO
304x 737-800
34x 757 (although a bunch of these only fly international or Hawaii).


Apparently, you didn't read his post. He is posted only LAA aircraft.


No such thing as "LAA" anymore, only American. Plus most routes are now operated by a mix of LAA and LUS aircraft.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:00 am

Swadian wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:
SXDFC wrote:
I am currently flying on N191AN (5FA). Does anyone know when she’s supposed to be retired?


There is no publicly announced schedule for retirement of the legacy AA B757s.


Probably not until the A321XLR gets here, so 2026.


2026, I don't know if that late, maybe, but definitely not before 2023. The 50 321NEOLRs ordered recently are scheduled to be delivered between 2023 and 2026.
There are, at this point 34 757s left which include 24 LAA birds configured for International flying and 10 LUS 757s based out of PHX. The retirement of the latter was scheduled to occur this year but they are staying till next year. So by early 2021, there will be only the 24 LAA 757s left and they are scheduled to stay in the fleet till the mid 2020s, maybe late 2020s at the latest. For sure the last 757 will be gone before 2030.
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Runway28L
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:10 am

A21N N409AA scheduled to ferry PIT-PHX tomorrow morning for entry into revenue service.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9662

Was 409 the last A321neo delivery for 2019? IIRC the delivery schedule was reduced to nine frames for this year. There will be nine in service once 409 starts operating revenue flights.
 
anymaninfc
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:37 am

Runway28L wrote:
A21N N409AA scheduled to ferry PIT-PHX tomorrow morning for entry into revenue service.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9662

Was 409 the last A321neo delivery for 2019? IIRC the delivery schedule was reduced to nine frames for this year. There will be nine in service once 409 starts operating revenue flights.


IIRC, delivery schedule was reduced to 12 for 2019. N408AN is already built, but has had no test flights yet. Also expecting to see N410AN and N411AN delivered by YE.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:08 pm

12 this year and Airbus deferred the five till next year due to manufacturing issues
 
Runway28L
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:20 pm

Thanks, anymaninfc and Phoenix757767. :)

N408AN was spotted last week being pulled out of storage it looked like. N410AN was spotted on 10/15 with paint and engines. No shots of N411AN yet.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:49 pm

Looking at 8LP, 789, from my flight, and I see a red line on the front landing gear. I thought the red line meant off warranty. It's that still the case?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:04 pm

deltaffindfw wrote:
Looking at 8LP, 789, from my flight, and I see a red line on the front landing gear. I thought the red line meant off warranty. It's that still the case?


Are you referring to a vertical up and down red line? That has nothing to do with warranty, that is a guide for the turn limits for push back purposes.
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Astrojet727
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:50 pm

DeltaConnection wrote:
deltaffindfw wrote:
DeltaConnection wrote:

Completely false stats. Minus the grounded 737 MAX's, AA's current narrowbody fleet includes the following:
133x A319
48x A320
219x A321
9x A321 NEO
304x 737-800
34x 757 (although a bunch of these only fly international or Hawaii).


Apparently, you didn't read his post. He is posted only LAA aircraft.


No such thing as "LAA" anymore, only American. Plus most routes are now operated by a mix of LAA and LUS aircraft.


AA Tech Ops has not integrated the fleets so LAA and LUS fleets still exist.
 
deltaffindfw
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:17 pm

alasizon wrote:
deltaffindfw wrote:
Looking at 8LP, 789, from my flight, and I see a red line on the front landing gear. I thought the red line meant off warranty. It's that still the case?


Are you referring to a vertical up and down red line? That has nothing to do with warranty, that is a guide for the turn limits for push back purposes.


so what do red versus green mean?

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