alasizon
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:02 pm

deltaffindfw wrote:
alasizon wrote:
deltaffindfw wrote:
Looking at 8LP, 789, from my flight, and I see a red line on the front landing gear. I thought the red line meant off warranty. It's that still the case?


Are you referring to a vertical up and down red line? That has nothing to do with warranty, that is a guide for the turn limits for push back purposes.


so what do red versus green mean?


Are you referring to the red line visible here?


If so, it only is there for pushback guidance purposes and is always red. I'm not sure the old horizontal lines that LAA used for MX purposes still exist on any portion of the fleet.

Manager on Duty & Tower Planner
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:33 pm

Astrojet727 wrote:
DeltaConnection wrote:
deltaffindfw wrote:

Apparently, you didn't read his post. He is posted only LAA aircraft.


No such thing as "LAA" anymore, only American. Plus most routes are now operated by a mix of LAA and LUS aircraft.


AA Tech Ops has not integrated the fleets so LAA and LUS fleets still exist.

The planes have been intergrated, but not the workforce, but some cities they are cross utilized.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:04 am

Phoenix757767 wrote:
Astrojet727 wrote:
DeltaConnection wrote:

No such thing as "LAA" anymore, only American. Plus most routes are now operated by a mix of LAA and LUS aircraft.


AA Tech Ops has not integrated the fleets so LAA and LUS fleets still exist.

The planes have been intergrated, but not the workforce, but some cities they are cross utilized.


I was only comparing the old AA fleet to the portion of the current AA fleet that came from AA.

If one were to get technical, the "LUS" A32X all have wingtip fences, while "LAA" all have Sharklets. The "LUS" 757 are all in Hawaii configuration, while "LAA" 757 are all in International. And LUS never ordered 738, while LAA never ordered A330.

Most of the LUS fleet is still in service, except 14 old 757, 8 A320, and the E190s. The 757 were replaced with A321, the A320 replaced with the 8 second-hand A319, and the E190s replaced with RJs.

So, there's no shrink in the mainline fleet, except for the F100s and E190s.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:34 am

Only 4 190s have been retired.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:02 pm

Phoenix757767 wrote:
Only 4 190s have been retired.


Indeed, which supports my point that the mainline fleet hasn't shrunk.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:39 pm

Swadian wrote:
Phoenix757767 wrote:
Only 4 190s have been retired.


Indeed, which supports my point that the mainline fleet hasn't shrunk.


Wrong. When AA/HP merged the combined carrier had a mainline fleet of nearly 1,000 airplanes. That’s now reduced to around 940. The mainline fleet has shrunk.

Jeremy
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:20 am

SESGDL wrote:
Swadian wrote:
Phoenix757767 wrote:
Only 4 190s have been retired.


Indeed, which supports my point that the mainline fleet hasn't shrunk.


Wrong. When AA/HP merged the combined carrier had a mainline fleet of nearly 1,000 airplanes. That’s now reduced to around 940. The mainline fleet has shrunk.

Jeremy


When did AA/HP merge? Oh wait, you can't even get your facts straight between HP/US, and insist focus on misdirecting attention to the size of mainline fleet instead.

Pre-merger AA fleet (total 509):
260x MD-80
96x 757
78x 727
75x F100

Pre-merger US fleet (total 306):
90x A319
62x A320
110x A321
24x 757
20x E190

Current AA fleet (total 787):
133x A319
48x A320
219x A321
9x A321neo
304x 738
24x 738M
34x 757
16x E190

Did it shrink? Yes, from 815 mainline narrowbodies to 787, and I pointed that out. But I also pointed out that the shrinkage is less than the total fleet size of the F100s. Without the F100s, there's no shrinkage.

Of course, including the 738M is debatable. But, even without the 738M, the loss of 52 aircraft is less than the total F100 fleet (75 aircraft). The F100 is a "regional aircraft" in many countries and easily replaced by the flood of E175 and CRJ-900.

The F100 and E190 are also irrelevant to the post by "757236" which only mentioned 757, MD-80, 738, and A32X.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:27 am

Swadian wrote:
SESGDL wrote:
Swadian wrote:

Indeed, which supports my point that the mainline fleet hasn't shrunk.


Wrong. When AA/HP merged the combined carrier had a mainline fleet of nearly 1,000 airplanes. That’s now reduced to around 940. The mainline fleet has shrunk.

Jeremy


When did AA/HP merge? Oh wait, you can't even get your facts straight between HP/US, and insist focus on misdirecting attention to the size of mainline fleet instead.

Pre-merger AA fleet (total 509):
260x MD-80
96x 757
78x 727
75x F100

Pre-merger US fleet (total 306):
90x A319
62x A320
110x A321
24x 757
20x E190

Current AA fleet (total 787):
133x A319
48x A320
219x A321
9x A321neo
304x 738
24x 738M
34x 757
16x E190

Did it shrink? Yes, from 815 mainline narro koi wbodies to 787, and I pointed that out. But I also pointed out that the shrinkage is less than the total fleet size of the F100s. Without the F100s, there's no shrinkage.

Of course, including the 738M is debatable. But, even without the 738M, the loss of 52 aircraft is less than the total F100 fleet (75 aircraft). The F100 is a "regional aircraft" in many countries and easily replaced by the flood of E175 and CRJ-900.

The F100 and E190 are also irrelevant to the post by "757236" which only mentioned 757, MD-80, 738, and A32X.


Again. You posted that the MAINLINE fleet hasn’t shrunk, and that’s false. Period.

Jeremy
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:38 am

Swadian wrote:
SESGDL wrote:
Swadian wrote:

Indeed, which supports my point that the mainline fleet hasn't shrunk.


Wrong. When AA/HP merged the combined carrier had a mainline fleet of nearly 1,000 airplanes. That’s now reduced to around 940. The mainline fleet has shrunk.

Jeremy


When did AA/HP merge? Oh wait, you can't even get your facts straight between HP/US, and insist focus on misdirecting attention to the size of mainline fleet instead.

Pre-merger AA fleet (total 509):
260x MD-80
96x 757
78x 727
75x F100

Pre-merger US fleet (total 306):
90x A319
62x A320
110x A321
24x 757
20x E190

Current AA fleet (total 787):
133x A319
48x A320
219x A321
9x A321neo
304x 738
24x 738M
34x 757
16x E190

Did it shrink? Yes, from 815 mainline narrowbodies to 787, and I pointed that out. But I also pointed out that the shrinkage is less than the total fleet size of the F100s. Without the F100s, there's no shrinkage.

Of course, including the 738M is debatable. But, even without the 738M, the loss of 52 aircraft is less than the total F100 fleet (75 aircraft). The F100 is a "regional aircraft" in many countries and easily replaced by the flood of E175 and CRJ-900.

The F100 and E190 are also irrelevant to the post by "757236" which only mentioned 757, MD-80, 738, and A32X.


Why are the 727s and F-100s included here? They were retired over a decade before the AA/US merger. The fleet number seems wrong as it doesn’t include the 250+ 738s that were in the fleet at the time of the merger.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:00 am

SESGDL wrote:
Swadian wrote:
SESGDL wrote:

Wrong. When AA/HP merged the combined carrier had a mainline fleet of nearly 1,000 airplanes. That’s now reduced to around 940. The mainline fleet has shrunk.

Jeremy


When did AA/HP merge? Oh wait, you can't even get your facts straight between HP/US, and insist focus on misdirecting attention to the size of mainline fleet instead.

Pre-merger AA fleet (total 509):
260x MD-80
96x 757
78x 727
75x F100

Pre-merger US fleet (total 306):
90x A319
62x A320
110x A321
24x 757
20x E190

Current AA fleet (total 787):
133x A319
48x A320
219x A321
9x A321neo
304x 738
24x 738M
34x 757
16x E190

Did it shrink? Yes, from 815 mainline narro koi wbodies to 787, and I pointed that out. But I also pointed out that the shrinkage is less than the total fleet size of the F100s. Without the F100s, there's no shrinkage.

Of course, including the 738M is debatable. But, even without the 738M, the loss of 52 aircraft is less than the total F100 fleet (75 aircraft). The F100 is a "regional aircraft" in many countries and easily replaced by the flood of E175 and CRJ-900.

The F100 and E190 are also irrelevant to the post by "757236" which only mentioned 757, MD-80, 738, and A32X.


Again. You posted that the MAINLINE fleet hasn’t shrunk, and that’s false. Period.

Jeremy

There were no F100s at AA in 2012, nor 727s
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:04 am

Swadian wrote:
SESGDL wrote:
Swadian wrote:

Indeed, which supports my point that the mainline fleet hasn't shrunk.


Wrong. When AA/HP merged the combined carrier had a mainline fleet of nearly 1,000 airplanes. That’s now reduced to around 940. The mainline fleet has shrunk.

Jeremy


When did AA/HP merge? Oh wait, you can't even get your facts straight between HP/US, and insist focus on misdirecting attention to the size of mainline fleet instead.

Pre-merger AA fleet (total 509):
260x MD-80
96x 757
78x 727
75x F100

Pre-merger US fleet (total 306):
90x A319
62x A320
110x A321
24x 757
20x E190

Current AA fleet (total 787):
133x A319
48x A320
219x A321
9x A321neo
304x 738
24x 738M
34x 757
16x E190

Did it shrink? Yes, from 815 mainline narrowbodies to 787, and I pointed that out. But I also pointed out that the shrinkage is less than the total fleet size of the F100s. Without the F100s, there's no shrinkage.

Of course, including the 738M is debatable. But, even without the 738M, the loss of 52 aircraft is less than the total F100 fleet (75 aircraft). The F100 is a "regional aircraft" in many countries and easily replaced by the flood of E175 and CRJ-900.

The F100 and E190 are also irrelevant to the post by "757236" which only mentioned 757, MD-80, 738, and A32X.

I can’t believe you would actually post something so grossly misinformed. Get your facts straight.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:01 am

Vctony wrote:
Swadian wrote:
SESGDL wrote:

Wrong. When AA/HP merged the combined carrier had a mainline fleet of nearly 1,000 airplanes. That’s now reduced to around 940. The mainline fleet has shrunk.

Jeremy


When did AA/HP merge? Oh wait, you can't even get your facts straight between HP/US, and insist focus on misdirecting attention to the size of mainline fleet instead.

Pre-merger AA fleet (total 509):
260x MD-80
96x 757
78x 727
75x F100

Pre-merger US fleet (total 306):
90x A319
62x A320
110x A321
24x 757
20x E190

Current AA fleet (total 787):
133x A319
48x A320
219x A321
9x A321neo
304x 738
24x 738M
34x 757
16x E190

Did it shrink? Yes, from 815 mainline narrowbodies to 787, and I pointed that out. But I also pointed out that the shrinkage is less than the total fleet size of the F100s. Without the F100s, there's no shrinkage.

Of course, including the 738M is debatable. But, even without the 738M, the loss of 52 aircraft is less than the total F100 fleet (75 aircraft). The F100 is a "regional aircraft" in many countries and easily replaced by the flood of E175 and CRJ-900.

The F100 and E190 are also irrelevant to the post by "757236" which only mentioned 757, MD-80, 738, and A32X.


Why are the 727s and F-100s included here? They were retired over a decade before the AA/US merger. The fleet number seems wrong as it doesn’t include the 250+ 738s that were in the fleet at the time of the merger.


Eh, you do realize that I copied the LAA numbers from post #879, which is the 1998 fleet, right?

And your "friend" Jeremy keeps mentioning "HP", which was gone a decade before the AA/US merger.

SESGDL wrote:
Swadian wrote:
SESGDL wrote:

Wrong. When AA/HP merged the combined carrier had a mainline fleet of nearly 1,000 airplanes. That’s now reduced to around 940. The mainline fleet has shrunk.

Jeremy


When did AA/HP merge? Oh wait, you can't even get your facts straight between HP/US, and insist focus on misdirecting attention to the size of mainline fleet instead.

Pre-merger AA fleet (total 509):
260x MD-80
96x 757
78x 727
75x F100

Pre-merger US fleet (total 306):
90x A319
62x A320
110x A321
24x 757
20x E190

Current AA fleet (total 787):
133x A319
48x A320
219x A321
9x A321neo
304x 738
24x 738M
34x 757
16x E190

Did it shrink? Yes, from 815 mainline narro koi wbodies to 787, and I pointed that out. But I also pointed out that the shrinkage is less than the total fleet size of the F100s. Without the F100s, there's no shrinkage.

Of course, including the 738M is debatable. But, even without the 738M, the loss of 52 aircraft is less than the total F100 fleet (75 aircraft). The F100 is a "regional aircraft" in many countries and easily replaced by the flood of E175 and CRJ-900.

The F100 and E190 are also irrelevant to the post by "757236" which only mentioned 757, MD-80, 738, and A32X.


Again. You posted that the MAINLINE fleet hasn’t shrunk, and that’s false. Period.

Jeremy


If 77x 738 + 124x 757 + 272x MD80, becoming 32x A319 + 98x A321 + 9x A321neo + 304x 737 + 24x 737 MAX + 24x 757, is "shrinking", then I don't know what you're smoking.

If you're claiming that the US fleet shrunk, well that's because of multiple bankruptcies before the merger.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:21 pm

Swadian wrote:
Vctony wrote:
Swadian wrote:

When did AA/HP merge? Oh wait, you can't even get your facts straight between HP/US, and insist focus on misdirecting attention to the size of mainline fleet instead.

Pre-merger AA fleet (total 509):
260x MD-80
96x 757
78x 727
75x F100

Pre-merger US fleet (total 306):
90x A319
62x A320
110x A321
24x 757
20x E190

Current AA fleet (total 787):
133x A319
48x A320
219x A321
9x A321neo
304x 738
24x 738M
34x 757
16x E190

Did it shrink? Yes, from 815 mainline narrowbodies to 787, and I pointed that out. But I also pointed out that the shrinkage is less than the total fleet size of the F100s. Without the F100s, there's no shrinkage.

Of course, including the 738M is debatable. But, even without the 738M, the loss of 52 aircraft is less than the total F100 fleet (75 aircraft). The F100 is a "regional aircraft" in many countries and easily replaced by the flood of E175 and CRJ-900.

The F100 and E190 are also irrelevant to the post by "757236" which only mentioned 757, MD-80, 738, and A32X.


Why are the 727s and F-100s included here? They were retired over a decade before the AA/US merger. The fleet number seems wrong as it doesn’t include the 250+ 738s that were in the fleet at the time of the merger.


Eh, you do realize that I copied the LAA numbers from post #879, which is the 1998 fleet, right?

And your "friend" Jeremy keeps mentioning "HP", which was gone a decade before the AA/US merger.

SESGDL wrote:
Swadian wrote:

When did AA/HP merge? Oh wait, you can't even get your facts straight between HP/US, and insist focus on misdirecting attention to the size of mainline fleet instead.

Pre-merger AA fleet (total 509):
260x MD-80
96x 757
78x 727
75x F100

Pre-merger US fleet (total 306):
90x A319
62x A320
110x A321
24x 757
20x E190

Current AA fleet (total 787):
133x A319
48x A320
219x A321
9x A321neo
304x 738
24x 738M
34x 757
16x E190

Did it shrink? Yes, from 815 mainline narro koi wbodies to 787, and I pointed that out. But I also pointed out that the shrinkage is less than the total fleet size of the F100s. Without the F100s, there's no shrinkage.

Of course, including the 738M is debatable. But, even without the 738M, the loss of 52 aircraft is less than the total F100 fleet (75 aircraft). The F100 is a "regional aircraft" in many countries and easily replaced by the flood of E175 and CRJ-900.

The F100 and E190 are also irrelevant to the post by "757236" which only mentioned 757, MD-80, 738, and A32X.


Again. You posted that the MAINLINE fleet hasn’t shrunk, and that’s false. Period.

Jeremy


If 77x 738 + 124x 757 + 272x MD80, becoming 32x A319 + 98x A321 + 9x A321neo + 304x 737 + 24x 737 MAX + 24x 757, is "shrinking", then I don't know what you're smoking.

If you're claiming that the US fleet shrunk, well that's because of multiple bankruptcies before the merger.


HP was US Airways’ final company code, not US as you’re implying. My point was that American’s mainline fleet today is smaller than the carrier’s fleet after the merger, which is 100% correct.

Jeremy
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:33 pm

Swadian wrote:
Vctony wrote:
Swadian wrote:

When did AA/HP merge? Oh wait, you can't even get your facts straight between HP/US, and insist focus on misdirecting attention to the size of mainline fleet instead.

Pre-merger AA fleet (total 509):
260x MD-80
96x 757
78x 727
75x F100

Pre-merger US fleet (total 306):
90x A319
62x A320
110x A321
24x 757
20x E190

Current AA fleet (total 787):
133x A319
48x A320
219x A321
9x A321neo
304x 738
24x 738M
34x 757
16x E190

Did it shrink? Yes, from 815 mainline narrowbodies to 787, and I pointed that out. But I also pointed out that the shrinkage is less than the total fleet size of the F100s. Without the F100s, there's no shrinkage.

Of course, including the 738M is debatable. But, even without the 738M, the loss of 52 aircraft is less than the total F100 fleet (75 aircraft). The F100 is a "regional aircraft" in many countries and easily replaced by the flood of E175 and CRJ-900.

The F100 and E190 are also irrelevant to the post by "757236" which only mentioned 757, MD-80, 738, and A32X.


Why are the 727s and F-100s included here? They were retired over a decade before the AA/US merger. The fleet number seems wrong as it doesn’t include the 250+ 738s that were in the fleet at the time of the merger.


Eh, you do realize that I copied the LAA numbers from post #879, which is the 1998 fleet, right?

And your "friend" Jeremy keeps mentioning "HP", which was gone a decade before the AA/US merger.

SESGDL wrote:
Swadian wrote:

When did AA/HP merge? Oh wait, you can't even get your facts straight between HP/US, and insist focus on misdirecting attention to the size of mainline fleet instead.

Pre-merger AA fleet (total 509):
260x MD-80
96x 757
78x 727
75x F100

Pre-merger US fleet (total 306):
90x A319
62x A320
110x A321
24x 757
20x E190

Current AA fleet (total 787):
133x A319
48x A320
219x A321
9x A321neo
304x 738
24x 738M
34x 757
16x E190

Did it shrink? Yes, from 815 mainline narro koi wbodies to 787, and I pointed that out. But I also pointed out that the shrinkage is less than the total fleet size of the F100s. Without the F100s, there's no shrinkage.

Of course, including the 738M is debatable. But, even without the 738M, the loss of 52 aircraft is less than the total F100 fleet (75 aircraft). The F100 is a "regional aircraft" in many countries and easily replaced by the flood of E175 and CRJ-900.

The F100 and E190 are also irrelevant to the post by "757236" which only mentioned 757, MD-80, 738, and A32X.


Again. You posted that the MAINLINE fleet hasn’t shrunk, and that’s false. Period.

Jeremy


If 77x 738 + 124x 757 + 272x MD80, becoming 32x A319 + 98x A321 + 9x A321neo + 304x 737 + 24x 737 MAX + 24x 757, is "shrinking", then I don't know what you're smoking.

If you're claiming that the US fleet shrunk, well that's because of multiple bankruptcies before the merger.

HP and US merged in 2005 with it finally being done in 2008, AA and US merged in 2012.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:34 pm

SESGDL wrote:
Swadian wrote:
Vctony wrote:

Why are the 727s and F-100s included here? They were retired over a decade before the AA/US merger. The fleet number seems wrong as it doesn’t include the 250+ 738s that were in the fleet at the time of the merger.


Eh, you do realize that I copied the LAA numbers from post #879, which is the 1998 fleet, right?

And your "friend" Jeremy keeps mentioning "HP", which was gone a decade before the AA/US merger.

SESGDL wrote:

Again. You posted that the MAINLINE fleet hasn’t shrunk, and that’s false. Period.

Jeremy


If 77x 738 + 124x 757 + 272x MD80, becoming 32x A319 + 98x A321 + 9x A321neo + 304x 737 + 24x 737 MAX + 24x 757, is "shrinking", then I don't know what you're smoking.

If you're claiming that the US fleet shrunk, well that's because of multiple bankruptcies before the merger.


HP was US Airways’ final company code, not US as you’re implying. My point was that American’s mainline fleet today is smaller than the carrier’s fleet after the merger, which is 100% correct.

Jeremy

Wrong, it was and has been US, never HP after the merger. It then went from US to AA. You 100% wrong.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:35 pm

SESGDL wrote:
Swadian wrote:
Vctony wrote:

Why are the 727s and F-100s included here? They were retired over a decade before the AA/US merger. The fleet number seems wrong as it doesn’t include the 250+ 738s that were in the fleet at the time of the merger.


Eh, you do realize that I copied the LAA numbers from post #879, which is the 1998 fleet, right?

And your "friend" Jeremy keeps mentioning "HP", which was gone a decade before the AA/US merger.

SESGDL wrote:

Again. You posted that the MAINLINE fleet hasn’t shrunk, and that’s false. Period.

Jeremy


If 77x 738 + 124x 757 + 272x MD80, becoming 32x A319 + 98x A321 + 9x A321neo + 304x 737 + 24x 737 MAX + 24x 757, is "shrinking", then I don't know what you're smoking.

If you're claiming that the US fleet shrunk, well that's because of multiple bankruptcies before the merger.


HP was US Airways’ final company code, not US as you’re implying. My point was that American’s mainline fleet today is smaller than the carrier’s fleet after the merger, which is 100% correct.

Jeremy

Wrong, final IATA was US, never HP. You are 100% wrong.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:18 pm

Phoenix757767 wrote:
SESGDL wrote:
Swadian wrote:

Eh, you do realize that I copied the LAA numbers from post #879, which is the 1998 fleet, right?

And your "friend" Jeremy keeps mentioning "HP", which was gone a decade before the AA/US merger.



If 77x 738 + 124x 757 + 272x MD80, becoming 32x A319 + 98x A321 + 9x A321neo + 304x 737 + 24x 737 MAX + 24x 757, is "shrinking", then I don't know what you're smoking.

If you're claiming that the US fleet shrunk, well that's because of multiple bankruptcies before the merger.


HP was US Airways’ final company code, not US as you’re implying. My point was that American’s mainline fleet today is smaller than the carrier’s fleet after the merger, which is 100% correct.

Jeremy

Wrong, final IATA was US, never HP. You are 100% wrong.


Not sure why you needed to reply twice to the same message saying the same thing... annoying. Anyway, you are correct that I was wrong, I was confusing the Cactus call sign with the two-letter code.

Jeremy
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:40 pm

Phoenix757767 wrote:
Astrojet727 wrote:
DeltaConnection wrote:

No such thing as "LAA" anymore, only American. Plus most routes are now operated by a mix of LAA and LUS aircraft.


AA Tech Ops has not integrated the fleets so LAA and LUS fleets still exist.

The planes have been intergrated, but not the workforce, but some cities they are cross utilized.


What I mean by not integrated is that the LUS fleet resides in Sceptre while the LAA fleet is still in Sabre.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:48 pm

Astrojet727 wrote:
Phoenix757767 wrote:
Astrojet727 wrote:

AA Tech Ops has not integrated the fleets so LAA and LUS fleets still exist.

The planes have been intergrated, but not the workforce, but some cities they are cross utilized.


What I mean by not integrated is that the LUS fleet resides in Sceptre while the LAA fleet is still in Sabre.

It’s all moving to Sceptre
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:58 pm

Phoenix757767 wrote:
Astrojet727 wrote:
Phoenix757767 wrote:
The planes have been intergrated, but not the workforce, but some cities they are cross utilized.


What I mean by not integrated is that the LUS fleet resides in Sceptre while the LAA fleet is still in Sabre.

It’s all moving to Sceptre

Exactly, so they aren't integrated yet
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:49 pm

Astrojet727 wrote:
Phoenix757767 wrote:
Astrojet727 wrote:

What I mean by not integrated is that the LUS fleet resides in Sceptre while the LAA fleet is still in Sabre.

It’s all moving to Sceptre

Exactly, so they aren't integrated yet

Yes they are as maintenance has access to both systems and LAA planes have and are bring transitioned to the LUS maintenance programs.

Mechanics are working both fleets not limited to either LAA or LUS and some LUS planes have been worked at TULE already.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:35 am

AA has or is purchasing more used A319s this time from AS. Trying to find out the numbers. AA is putting out bids to vendors for the interior mods.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:35 am

Looks like AS only has 10 A319s. Do it think AA will pick them all up?
 
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Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:57 am

Phoenix757767 wrote:
AA has or is purchasing more used A319s this time from AS. Trying to find out the numbers. AA is putting out bids to vendors for the interior mods.


An interesting rumor. But with what equipment is AS going to backfill those 10 A319s? They just converted them to the AS standard within the past year or so, and losing capacity isn’t a good thing for them while trying to grow CA and fend off DL at SEA.
 
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Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:12 am

USAirKid wrote:
Phoenix757767 wrote:
AA has or is purchasing more used A319s this time from AS. Trying to find out the numbers. AA is putting out bids to vendors for the interior mods.


An interesting rumor. But with what equipment is AS going to backfill those 10 A319s? They just converted them to the AS standard within the past year or so, and losing capacity isn’t a good thing for them while trying to grow CA and fend off DL at SEA.


NONE of the AS A319’s have been converted to the AS spec.
Repainted, yes, but not cabin refurb’ed.
I think AS has been looking to get out of them from the get go. Repainting then was not optional, as they were forced to pay royalties on any aircraft that had the Virgin name on it (including the beautiful More to Love liveries, which had to have the Virgin America logos on engine cowls painted over very hastily to avoid the next year’s payment).
But cabin work hasn’t been started.

I’m sure they’d be a good fit at AA!
 
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Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:14 am

AA737-823 wrote:
USAirKid wrote:
Phoenix757767 wrote:
AA has or is purchasing more used A319s this time from AS. Trying to find out the numbers. AA is putting out bids to vendors for the interior mods.


An interesting rumor. But with what equipment is AS going to backfill those 10 A319s? They just converted them to the AS standard within the past year or so, and losing capacity isn’t a good thing for them while trying to grow CA and fend off DL at SEA.


NONE of the AS A319’s have been converted to the AS spec.
Repainted, yes, but not cabin refurb’ed.
I think AS has been looking to get out of them from the get go. Repainting then was not optional, as they were forced to pay royalties on any aircraft that had the Virgin name on it (including the beautiful More to Love liveries, which had to have the Virgin America logos on engine cowls painted over very hastily to avoid the next year’s payment).
But cabin work hasn’t been started.

I’m sure they’d be a good fit at AA!


Ah fair enough. But the question remains what is AS going to back fill those planes with? It’s not like there are 73Gs and 738s sitting around... and the Max is still a wildcard
 
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Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:53 pm

AS has 10 A319s and they are all leased.

https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Ala ... e-a319.htm
 
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Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:18 pm

Phoenix757767 wrote:
AA has or is purchasing more used A319s this time from AS. Trying to find out the numbers. AA is putting out bids to vendors for the interior mods.

You don’t say! :weightlifter:

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1161 ... 97792?s=20
 
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Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:33 pm

JonNYC wrote:
Phoenix757767 wrote:
AA has or is purchasing more used A319s this time from AS. Trying to find out the numbers. AA is putting out bids to vendors for the interior mods.

You don’t say! :weightlifter:

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1161 ... 97792?s=20

Don’t follow you in Twitter as I’m pro IAM/TWU and you’ve blocked us union supporters.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:01 am

Phoenix757767 wrote:
JonNYC wrote:
Phoenix757767 wrote:
AA has or is purchasing more used A319s this time from AS. Trying to find out the numbers. AA is putting out bids to vendors for the interior mods.

You don’t say! :weightlifter:

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1161 ... 97792?s=20

Don’t follow you in Twitter as I’m pro IAM/TWU and you’ve blocked us union supporters.


Thats fair.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:44 am

JonNYC wrote:
Phoenix757767 wrote:
AA has or is purchasing more used A319s this time from AS. Trying to find out the numbers. AA is putting out bids to vendors for the interior mods.

You don’t say! :weightlifter:

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1161 ... 97792?s=20


Alaska's A319 are registered as N521VA through N530VA, which is all ten...unless they have been re-registered by Alaska.
 
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Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:50 am

anymaninfc wrote:
JonNYC wrote:
Phoenix757767 wrote:
AA has or is purchasing more used A319s this time from AS. Trying to find out the numbers. AA is putting out bids to vendors for the interior mods.

You don’t say! :weightlifter:

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1161 ... 97792?s=20


Alaska's A319 are registered as N521VA through N530VA, which is all ten...unless they have been re-registered by Alaska.


Looks like they have not been re-registered. Owned by various banks and other organizations.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:27 pm

The seventh former Frontier A319, now registry N776XF, entered revenue service with AA yesterday, Nov. 20. The eight aircraft is still in paint at GYR.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:10 pm

Glad to see almost all the Frontier planes finally flying.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:16 am

E190 N957UW ferried PIT-SAT earlier today. Retirement?

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9631
 
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Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:00 am

Runway28L wrote:
E190 N957UW ferried PIT-SAT earlier today. Retirement?

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9631


AA had been doing some heavy MX on the 190s in SAT.
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Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:10 am

alasizon wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
E190 N957UW ferried PIT-SAT earlier today. Retirement?

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9631


AA had been doing some heavy MX on the 190s in SAT.

I do remember SAT does MX for the E190 fleet but that is also where 950 and 951 were sent for fleet exit.
 
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Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:16 am

Runway28L wrote:
E190 N957UW ferried PIT-SAT earlier today. Retirement?

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9631


jgcotter said he would give us a heads-up when 190s are retired (I asked him after the first two were retired.), so I believe this is probably for maintenance.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:37 am

What is the status of seatback IFE on the legacy LAA 319's? Is it still there or already pulled. How about the used birds they got last 2 years, specifically N772XF?
 
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Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:41 am

phllax wrote:
What is the status of seatback IFE on the legacy LAA 319's? Is it still there or already pulled. How about the used birds they got last 2 years, specifically N772XF?


AA has not removed any IFE from any aircraft... yet. All the 737s and 321s that have been reconfigured in the Oasis program so far have been older deliveries without inseat IFE.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:49 am

phllax wrote:
What is the status of seatback IFE on the legacy LAA 319's? Is it still there or already pulled. How about the used birds they got last 2 years, specifically N772XF?


LAAs A319s are rather new, and are often used for international flights, thus AA is expected to leave the IFE in these aircraft. N772XF, I don't know about, although it is supposedly standardized to the rest of the A319 fleet, sans the LAA. So my guess would be N772XF probably does not have IFE installed.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:45 pm

AAs next A321NEO, N412UW, made it's first flight today, BFM-BFM. This acft will be AAs tenth A321NEO.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:02 pm

anymaninfc wrote:
AAs next A321NEO, N412UW, made it's first flight today, BFM-BFM. This acft will be AAs tenth A321NEO.

Delivery currently slated for Tuesday according to JonNYC on Twitter. Hopefully it comes in at a good time.

Production list for upcoming A321neo deliveries per aibfamilyflights.com:
MSN 9083 A321-253NX, American Airlines, D-AZAN, N408AN (XFW)
MSN 9134 A321-253NX, American Airlines, D-AYAO, N410AN (XFW)
MSN 9224 A321-253NX, American Airlines, F-WZMT, N412UW (BFM)
MSN 9318 A321-253NX, American Airlines, D-????, N411AN (XFW)
MSN 9359 A321-253NX, American Airlines, F-WZN?, N413AN (BFM)
MSN 9374 A321-253NX, American Airlines, D-????, N414AL (XFW)
MSN 9408 A321-253NX, American Airlines, F-WZM?, N415AN (BFM)
MSN 9466 A321-253NX, American Airlines, F-WZM?, N416AN (BFM)
MSN 9537 A321-253NX, American Airlines, F-WZM?, N417AN (BFM)
MSN 9550 A321-253NX, American Airlines, F-WZM?, N418AN (BFM)
MSN 9584 A321-253NX, American Airlines, F-WZM?, N419AN (BFM)
MSN 10017 A321-253NX, American Airlines, F-WZM?, N420AN (XFW)
MSN 10095 A321-253NX, American Airlines, D-????, N421UW (XFW)
MSN 10159 A321-253NX, American Airlines, D-????, N422AN (XFW)
MSN 10195 A321-253NX, American Airlines, D-????, N423AN (XFW)
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:48 pm

No delivery flight scheduled for A21N N412UW tomorrow at all. Having only done one test flight, delivery has probably been moved back to a later date.

Also, I guess E190 N950UW did not get retired as I see it has been back in service since 11/20.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:04 am

Runway28L wrote:
No delivery flight scheduled for A21N N412UW tomorrow at all. Having only done one test flight, delivery has probably been moved back to a later date.

Also, I guess E190 N950UW did not get retired as I see it has been back in service since 11/20.


Which makes me wonder if AA has, in light of the MAX not projected to get back into the air until March (or who knows when), decided to retain the six E-190s scheduled to retire in 2019, until sometime in 2020. Anybody know more?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:15 am

Runway28L wrote:
No delivery flight scheduled for A21N N412UW tomorrow at all. Having only done one test flight, delivery has probably been moved back to a later date.

Also, I guess E190 N950UW did not get retired as I see it has been back in service since 11/20.


I did note an A321NEO delivery with two test flights, the second of which was designated the Customer Acceptance flight. Sorry, I do not remember which AA aircraft this occurred on. Knowing that, I can see a second test/Customer Acceptance flight tomorrow (Tues.) and a delivery flight on Wed. This acft is coming out of Mobile, so it's a fairly quick trip up to PIT. Guess we will see tomorrow or Wed. I'd suspect AB would want this to be delivered before month end on Sunday.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:20 am

The "American Fleet Site!" has been updated 11/24/19

https://sites.google.com/site/newamericanfleet/
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:48 am

Word is the L-US B752 fleet is now going to have ViaSat wifi installed. Any confirmation on that?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:36 am

Runway28L wrote:
Word is the L-US B752 fleet is now going to have ViaSat wifi installed. Any confirmation on that?


Half the LUS fleet has 2KU, and per JonNYC I understand the remaining five aircraft will also get the 2KU early next year.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:53 am

anymaninfc wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
Word is the L-US B752 fleet is now going to have ViaSat wifi installed. Any confirmation on that?


Half the LUS fleet has 2KU, and per JonNYC I understand the remaining five aircraft will also get the 2KU early next year.


Does this mean that the aircraft will be staying longer than 2020?

It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to install it early next year and then retire the aircraft at the end of the year.

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