AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Vctony · Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:53 am

anymaninfc wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
Word is the L-US B752 fleet is now going to have ViaSat wifi installed. Any confirmation on that?

Half the LUS fleet has 2KU, and per JonNYC I understand the remaining five aircraft will also get the 2KU early next year.

Does this mean that the aircraft will be staying longer than 2020?

It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to install it early next year and then retire the aircraft at the end of the year.

alasizon · Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:48 am

Vctony wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
Word is the L-US B752 fleet is now going to have ViaSat wifi installed. Any confirmation on that?

Half the LUS fleet has 2KU, and per JonNYC I understand the remaining five aircraft will also get the 2KU early next year.

Does this mean that the aircraft will be staying longer than 2020?

It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to install it early next year and then retire the aircraft at the end of the year.

Most recent fleet plan still has them retiring by end of 2021 but even a year and a half is worth it when you consider that they are doing a lot of 4/5 hour sectors from PHX plus LIH with no Wifi and an inconsistent product for the fleet.

USAirKid · Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:35 am

alasizon wrote:
Vctony wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:

Half the LUS fleet has 2KU, and per JonNYC I understand the remaining five aircraft will also get the 2KU early next year.

Does this mean that the aircraft will be staying longer than 2020?

It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to install it early next year and then retire the aircraft at the end of the year.

Most recent fleet plan still has them retiring by end of 2021 but even a year and a half is worth it when you consider that they are doing a lot of 4/5 hour sectors from PHX plus LIH with no Wifi and an inconsistent product for the fleet.

Is it possible for some of that equipment to be removed at retirement and reused? That’d reduce to cost to install and removal labor.

alasizon · Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:42 am

USAirKid wrote:
alasizon wrote:
Vctony wrote:

Does this mean that the aircraft will be staying longer than 2020?

It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to install it early next year and then retire the aircraft at the end of the year.

Most recent fleet plan still has them retiring by end of 2021 but even a year and a half is worth it when you consider that they are doing a lot of 4/5 hour sectors from PHX plus LIH with no Wifi and an inconsistent product for the fleet.

Is it possible for some of that equipment to be removed at retirement and reused? That’d reduce to cost to install and removal labor.

My understanding is that about 40-50% of the hardware is interchangeable from all aircraft using the old air to ground technology, I'd imagine that would improve with satellite based technologies.

anymaninfc · Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:00 am

Vctony wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
Word is the L-US B752 fleet is now going to have ViaSat wifi installed. Any confirmation on that?

Half the LUS fleet has 2KU, and per JonNYC I understand the remaining five aircraft will also get the 2KU early next year.

Does this mean that the aircraft will be staying longer than 2020?

It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to install it early next year and then retire the aircraft at the end of the year.

It probably depends on A321 deliveries being on schedule next year, plus getting the B737MAX back in the air plus the back up of undelivered MAXs into service. But who am I to speculate?

Runway28L · Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:53 pm

A21N N412UW scheduled to ferry BFM-PIT tomorrow night for delivery and induction.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9707

OB1504 · Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:35 pm

anymaninfc wrote:
phllax wrote:
What is the status of seatback IFE on the legacy LAA 319's? Is it still there or already pulled. How about the used birds they got last 2 years, specifically N772XF?

LAAs A319s are rather new, and are often used for international flights, thus AA is expected to leave the IFE in these aircraft. N772XF, I don't know about, although it is supposedly standardized to the rest of the A319 fleet, sans the LAA. So my guess would be N772XF probably does not have IFE installed.

All A319s have the same seating configuration with 30” pitch in economy and they don’t need to be Oasis-ified. The LAA A319s were delivered in the current configuration with inseat IFE.

The LUS A319s were reconfigured shortly after the merger to shrink the F cabin and cram more seats into Y, bringing them in line with the LAA birds.

The ex-Frontier A319s are configured identically to the LUS A319s, including no IFE.

phllax · Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:12 am

OB1504 wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:
phllax wrote:
What is the status of seatback IFE on the legacy LAA 319's? Is it still there or already pulled. How about the used birds they got last 2 years, specifically N772XF?

LAAs A319s are rather new, and are often used for international flights, thus AA is expected to leave the IFE in these aircraft. N772XF, I don't know about, although it is supposedly standardized to the rest of the A319 fleet, sans the LAA. So my guess would be N772XF probably does not have IFE installed.

All A319s have the same seating configuration with 30” pitch in economy and they don’t need to be Oasis-ified. The LAA A319s were delivered in the current configuration with inseat IFE.

The LUS A319s were reconfigured shortly after the merger to shrink the F cabin and cram more seats into Y, bringing them in line with the LAA birds.

The ex-Frontier A319s are configured identically to the LUS A319s, including no IFE.

There are some small differences between the fleets. The LUS birds have 3 jump seats in the back and the area where the overs were is walled off. The rear lavs have folding doors and trash bins outside them. They also retained their original closets in the front that go to the ceiling. The LHP birds have no jump seat at 2R, have open areas where the ovens were, have doors for the rear lavs, and the forward closets were added post AA merger. They do not go to the ceiling as the LUS birds do, but end under the overheads.

chepos · Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:25 am

phllax wrote:
OB1504 wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:

LAAs A319s are rather new, and are often used for international flights, thus AA is expected to leave the IFE in these aircraft. N772XF, I don't know about, although it is supposedly standardized to the rest of the A319 fleet, sans the LAA. So my guess would be N772XF probably does not have IFE installed.

All A319s have the same seating configuration with 30” pitch in economy and they don’t need to be Oasis-ified. The LAA A319s were delivered in the current configuration with inseat IFE.

The LUS A319s were reconfigured shortly after the merger to shrink the F cabin and cram more seats into Y, bringing them in line with the LAA birds.

The ex-Frontier A319s are configured identically to the LUS A319s, including no IFE.

There are some small differences between the fleets. The LUS birds have 3 jump seats in the back and the area where the overs were is walled off. The rear lavs have folding doors and trash bins outside them. They also retained their original closets in the front that go to the ceiling. The LHP birds have no jump seat at 2R, have open areas where the ovens were, have doors for the rear lavs, and the forward closets were added post AA merger. They do not go to the ceiling as the LUS birds do, but end under the overheads.

No “monuments” or trash bins outside the lavs on the 319 West birds.

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phllax · Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:46 am

chepos wrote:

No “monuments” or trash bins outside the lavs on the 319 West birds.

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Did I miss anything else from the pax perspective? I swore the LUS 319’s were all also EOW, or was that the first batch of non-Shuttle 320’s delivered?

Also, I noticed that the exit lights at the window and at the front didn’t illuminate on either the East or West bird when the gear went down.

anymaninfc · Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:53 am

Runway28L wrote:
A21N N412UW scheduled to ferry BFM-PIT tomorrow night for delivery and induction.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9707

Currently shows departing BFM at 3pm CST on AAL9707.

alasizon · Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:47 pm

phllax wrote:
chepos wrote:

No “monuments” or trash bins outside the lavs on the 319 West birds.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Did I miss anything else from the pax perspective? I swore the LUS 319’s were all also EOW, or was that the first batch of non-Shuttle 320’s delivered?

Also, I noticed that the exit lights at the window and at the front didn’t illuminate on either the East or West bird when the gear went down.

Only some of the LUS East 319s are EOW.

bmibaby737 · Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:12 am

N606SK is now operating for American Eagle having previously flown for Delta Connection; does anyone know if it's been repainted into American Eagle livery or if it's in the SkyWest house livery??

alasizon · Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:26 pm

bmibaby737 wrote:
N606SK is now operating for American Eagle having previously flown for Delta Connection; does anyone know if it's been repainted into American Eagle livery or if it's in the SkyWest house livery??

It is in the AA livery. There are a handful of ex-DL CR7s coming on line over the coming months. Some will be replacing the old ex-UA 70 seaters while others are part of the additional 10 planes they were awarded.

anymaninfc · Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:50 pm

Does anybody know if AA has a policy of not flying A321NEOs to Hawaii for a certain length of time after new delivery? Seems like the earliest delivered NEOs are flying the majority of HI flights.

alasizon · Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:20 am

anymaninfc wrote:
Does anybody know if AA has a policy of not flying A321NEOs to Hawaii for a certain length of time after new delivery? Seems like the earliest delivered NEOs are flying the majority of HI flights.

There isn't really a policy, it is just the rotation. 400 for a while wasn't doing many Hawaii flights and was on the PHX-DFW-PHX-LAX-MCO-PHX routing.

USAirKid · Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:12 pm

alasizon wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:
Does anybody know if AA has a policy of not flying A321NEOs to Hawaii for a certain length of time after new delivery? Seems like the earliest delivered NEOs are flying the majority of HI flights.

There isn't really a policy, it is just the rotation. 400 for a while wasn't doing many Hawaii flights and was on the PHX-DFW-PHX-LAX-MCO-PHX routing.

Are all the NEOs ETOPS designated? I could see AA just designating the first batch as ETOPS to have maximum flexibility with them, but not the later batches as to not incur extra expense.

AAPramugari14 · Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:37 pm

USAirKid wrote:
alasizon wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:
Does anybody know if AA has a policy of not flying A321NEOs to Hawaii for a certain length of time after new delivery? Seems like the earliest delivered NEOs are flying the majority of HI flights.

There isn't really a policy, it is just the rotation. 400 for a while wasn't doing many Hawaii flights and was on the PHX-DFW-PHX-LAX-MCO-PHX routing.

Are all the NEOs ETOPS designated? I could see AA just designating the first batch as ETOPS to have maximum flexibility with them, but not the later batches as to not incur extra expense.

I highly doubt they’d do that again. It would be a waste and cause issues when it came to fleet flexibility. That’s part of the problem with the A321S/H fleet now and it has proven to cause more issues than not. Equipment swaps are a nightmare.

anymaninfc · Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:13 pm

AAs newest A321NEO, N410AN, completed it's first flight today, Dec. 18. And aircraft N412UW, delivered on 11-30, is being ferried to PHX in preparation for going into service.

alasizon · Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:53 pm

AAPramugari14 wrote:
USAirKid wrote:
alasizon wrote:

There isn't really a policy, it is just the rotation. 400 for a while wasn't doing many Hawaii flights and was on the PHX-DFW-PHX-LAX-MCO-PHX routing.

Are all the NEOs ETOPS designated? I could see AA just designating the first batch as ETOPS to have maximum flexibility with them, but not the later batches as to not incur extra expense.

I highly doubt they’d do that again. It would be a waste and cause issues when it came to fleet flexibility. That’s part of the problem with the A321S/H fleet now and it has proven to cause more issues than not. Equipment swaps are a nightmare.

Currently they are all ETOPS qualified. Perhaps after the first 60-70 they might take some that aren't ETOPS qualified. Some folks have reported seeing options when selecting by fleet type in different systems to select NEOs w/o ETOPS, of course nothing comes up right now when doing so.

American 767 · Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:08 pm

alasizon wrote:
AAPramugari14 wrote:
USAirKid wrote:

Are all the NEOs ETOPS designated? I could see AA just designating the first batch as ETOPS to have maximum flexibility with them, but not the later batches as to not incur extra expense.

I highly doubt they’d do that again. It would be a waste and cause issues when it came to fleet flexibility. That’s part of the problem with the A321S/H fleet now and it has proven to cause more issues than not. Equipment swaps are a nightmare.

Currently they are all ETOPS qualified. Perhaps after the first 60-70 they might take some that aren't ETOPS qualified. Some folks have reported seeing options when selecting by fleet type in different systems to select NEOs w/o ETOPS, of course nothing comes up right now when doing so.

Currently, the three-class JFK-LAX/SFO flights are A321OEOs, since 2014. I suspect that the next aircraft to be configured as three-class and fly these Premium heavy transcon routes will be the A321NEO w/out ETOPS if the w/out ETOPS option is available, and leave the ETOPS ones for LAX-Hawaii runs. But that won't happen anytime soon, as the OEOs are young.

Detroit313 · Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:16 pm

Whatever happened to that last 319 from Frontier? Has it been flying yet?

anymaninfc · Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:30 am

Detroit313 wrote:
Whatever happened to that last 319 from Frontier? Has it been flying yet?

It, N775XF, seems to be taking a long time to get out of GYR. Once it's out of there, CLT seems to take another month to get them into revenue service.

DeltaRules · Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:11 am

alasizon wrote:
Vctony wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:

Half the LUS fleet has 2KU, and per JonNYC I understand the remaining five aircraft will also get the 2KU early next year.

Does this mean that the aircraft will be staying longer than 2020?

It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to install it early next year and then retire the aircraft at the end of the year.

Most recent fleet plan still has them retiring by end of 2021 but even a year and a half is worth it when you consider that they are doing a lot of 4/5 hour sectors from PHX plus LIH with no Wifi and an inconsistent product for the fleet.

Wasn't there talk that the PHX 757s would move East once the 321NEOs came online to go to Hawaii?

alasizon · Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:17 am

DeltaRules wrote:
alasizon wrote:
Vctony wrote:

Does this mean that the aircraft will be staying longer than 2020?

It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to install it early next year and then retire the aircraft at the end of the year.

Most recent fleet plan still has them retiring by end of 2021 but even a year and a half is worth it when you consider that they are doing a lot of 4/5 hour sectors from PHX plus LIH with no Wifi and an inconsistent product for the fleet.

Wasn't there talk that the PHX 757s would move East once the 321NEOs came online to go to Hawaii?

No talk that they would move, rather they are just hanging around flying domestic routes. PHX-DFW/LAX/SAN/DCA/CLT/PHL/BOS plus PHX-LIH for the foreseeable future.

ADM94 · Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:25 am

alasizon wrote:
bmibaby737 wrote:
N606SK is now operating for American Eagle having previously flown for Delta Connection; does anyone know if it's been repainted into American Eagle livery or if it's in the SkyWest house livery??

It is in the AA livery. There are a handful of ex-DL CR7s coming on line over the coming months. Some will be replacing the old ex-UA 70 seaters while others are part of the additional 10 planes they were awarded.

The original ex-UA CR7s are all staying; they're in the process of being converted to the new standard 65-seat layout found on the rest of AA's CR7 fleet.

FSDan · Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:52 am

DeltaRules wrote:
alasizon wrote:
Vctony wrote:

Does this mean that the aircraft will be staying longer than 2020?

It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to install it early next year and then retire the aircraft at the end of the year.

Most recent fleet plan still has them retiring by end of 2021 but even a year and a half is worth it when you consider that they are doing a lot of 4/5 hour sectors from PHX plus LIH with no Wifi and an inconsistent product for the fleet.

Wasn't there talk that the PHX 757s would move East once the 321NEOs came online to go to Hawaii?

I think it was mentioned that they would do domestic flying, including some routes further east than PHX. They've been scheduled on the likes of CLT-PHL and PHL-DFW, as well as more turns on PHX-PHL, so it seems accurate. I think they'll continue to be used on PHX-LIH for a while, and will likely still see the majority of their flying touch PHX.

alasizon · Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:14 am

ADM94 wrote:
alasizon wrote:
bmibaby737 wrote:
N606SK is now operating for American Eagle having previously flown for Delta Connection; does anyone know if it's been repainted into American Eagle livery or if it's in the SkyWest house livery??

It is in the AA livery. There are a handful of ex-DL CR7s coming on line over the coming months. Some will be replacing the old ex-UA 70 seaters while others are part of the additional 10 planes they were awarded.

The original ex-UA CR7s are all staying; they're in the process of being converted to the new standard 65-seat layout found on the rest of AA's CR7 fleet.

My numbers show 14 ex-DL birds coming to AA so that would leave four of the 70-seaters without a home since the new contract was only for 10.

anymaninfc · Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:57 pm

Anybody know why Airbus builds some aircraft, then gift wraps them for storage, only to pull them out of storage months later for delivery. Example, N408AN, unknown build date, last seen with blue sealing tape all over it on Nov. 8th. Delivery when? Who knows? Incidentally, N409AA and N412UW have been delivered. N411AN also missing in production.

Runway28L · Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:56 am

anymaninfc wrote:
AAs newest A321NEO, N410AN, completed it's first flight today, Dec. 18. And aircraft N412UW, delivered on 11-30, is being ferried to PHX in preparation for going into service.

410 did another test hop today at XFW. Hopefully it will be delivered this weekend.

anymaninfc · Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:06 pm

Runway28L wrote:
Thanks, anymaninfc and Phoenix757767.

N408AN was spotted last week being pulled out of storage it looked like. N410AN was spotted on 10/15 with paint and engines. No shots of N411AN yet.

Finally...N408AN made it's first flight today, Dec. 23. Wondering if N408AN and N410AN will fly to PIT somewhat together.

Varsity1 · Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:51 pm

alasizon wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
alasizon wrote:

Most recent fleet plan still has them retiring by end of 2021 but even a year and a half is worth it when you consider that they are doing a lot of 4/5 hour sectors from PHX plus LIH with no Wifi and an inconsistent product for the fleet.

Wasn't there talk that the PHX 757s would move East once the 321NEOs came online to go to Hawaii?

No talk that they would move, rather they are just hanging around flying domestic routes. PHX-DFW/LAX/SAN/DCA/CLT/PHL/BOS plus PHX-LIH for the foreseeable future.

Any chance PHX-LIH is dropped? Is it that profitable of a route? could just move the traffic over to LAX.

Runway28L · Mon Dec 23, 2019 11:49 pm

anymaninfc wrote:
Finally...N408AN made it's first flight today, Dec. 23. Wondering if N408AN and N410AN will fly to PIT somewhat together.

Like 405 and 407 did back in October. I'll probably be up at BOS this week when both arrive so hopefully they move the delivery back so I can catch both.

alasizon · Tue Dec 24, 2019 2:20 am

Varsity1 wrote:
alasizon wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:

Wasn't there talk that the PHX 757s would move East once the 321NEOs came online to go to Hawaii?

No talk that they would move, rather they are just hanging around flying domestic routes. PHX-DFW/LAX/SAN/DCA/CLT/PHL/BOS plus PHX-LIH for the foreseeable future.

Any chance PHX-LIH is dropped? Is it that profitable of a route? could just move the traffic over to LAX.

LIH certainly has the draw and commands better yields than HNL/OGG from what I've seen. Eventually it should go to the NEO but probably not for another two years once they've gotten the performance of the NEO ironed out and known in all the different wind patterns across the Pacific.

anymaninfc · Tue Dec 24, 2019 3:51 am

Varsity1 wrote:
alasizon wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:

Wasn't there talk that the PHX 757s would move East once the 321NEOs came online to go to Hawaii?

No talk that they would move, rather they are just hanging around flying domestic routes. PHX-DFW/LAX/SAN/DCA/CLT/PHL/BOS plus PHX-LIH for the foreseeable future.

Any chance PHX-LIH is dropped? Is it that profitable of a route? could just move the traffic over to LAX.

PHX-LIH is still being flown with B757s. AA has been using A321NEOs for 3X LAX-LIH lately.

jmc1975 · Tue Dec 24, 2019 5:13 am

anymaninfc wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
alasizon wrote:

No talk that they would move, rather they are just hanging around flying domestic routes. PHX-DFW/LAX/SAN/DCA/CLT/PHL/BOS plus PHX-LIH for the foreseeable future.

Any chance PHX-LIH is dropped? Is it that profitable of a route? could just move the traffic over to LAX.

PHX-LIH is still being flown with B757s. AA has been using A321NEOs for 3X LAX-LIH lately.

A321CEOs?

anymaninfc · Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:53 am

jmc1975 wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:

Any chance PHX-LIH is dropped? Is it that profitable of a route? could just move the traffic over to LAX.

PHX-LIH is still being flown with B757s. AA has been using A321NEOs for 3X LAX-LIH lately.

A321CEOs?

No, A321NEOs.

cathay747 · Wed Dec 25, 2019 2:58 pm

alasizon wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
alasizon wrote:

No talk that they would move, rather they are just hanging around flying domestic routes. PHX-DFW/LAX/SAN/DCA/CLT/PHL/BOS plus PHX-LIH for the foreseeable future.

Any chance PHX-LIH is dropped? Is it that profitable of a route? could just move the traffic over to LAX.

LIH certainly has the draw and commands better yields than HNL/OGG from what I've seen. Eventually it should go to the NEO but probably not for another two years once they've gotten the performance of the NEO ironed out and known in all the different wind patterns across the Pacific.

That's really interesting and a curious item, that LIH would have better yields than HNL & OGG. I wonder why?

anymaninfc · Fri Dec 27, 2019 1:06 am

I'm somewhat surprised AA hasn't picked-up A321NEO N410AN, which appears to have had a customer acceptance flight on Dec. 19.

Runway28L · Sun Dec 29, 2019 12:41 am

A21N N408AN had a CAF today at XFW. Let’s see if it and N410AN (which already had a CAF) are delivered simultaneously to PIT this week.

anymaninfc · Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:16 am

Runway28L wrote:
A21N N408AN had a CAF today at XFW. Let’s see if it and N410AN (which already had a CAF) are delivered simultaneously to PIT this week.

I'd guess on Monday or Tuesday for both aircraft, so AB can fulfill the commitment of 12 deliveries in 2019, and so AB can show the deliveries on it's books for 2019 accomplishments.

Runway28L · Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:15 pm

A21N (likely N410AN) scheduled to ferry XFW-BGR-PIT tomorrow for delivery and induction.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9707

anymaninfc · Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:58 am

Runway28L wrote:
A21N (likely N410AN) scheduled to ferry XFW-BGR-PIT tomorrow for delivery and induction.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9707

Any word on a delivery plan for N408AN, Runway28L?

qf789 · Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:33 pm

Please continue discussion in 2020 thread

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