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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:41 pm

Airbus hosted an event at Montreal Mirabel on the A220 today.
https://twitter.com/airinsight/status/1 ... 6214744064
In one slide seen in the link above, they list routes that AC is investigating for A220 service when the aircraft goes into service later this year.

For Boston they list: YVR, and YYC
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:51 pm

jworks158 wrote:
Airbus hosted an event at Montreal Mirabel on the A220 today.
https://twitter.com/airinsight/status/1 ... 6214744064
In one slide seen in the link above, they list routes that AC is investigating for A220 service when the aircraft goes into service later this year.

For Boston they list: YVR, and YYC

Wow! YYC - we had discussed this last year that WS may end up starting the route but never started. It would be a good seasonal destination IMO especially during summer to Banff.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:53 pm

I’m liking that YVR is still in the mix too
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:18 pm

iyerhari wrote:
jworks158 wrote:
Airbus hosted an event at Montreal Mirabel on the A220 today.
https://twitter.com/airinsight/status/1 ... 6214744064
In one slide seen in the link above, they list routes that AC is investigating for A220 service when the aircraft goes into service later this year.

For Boston they list: YVR, and YYC

Wow! YYC - we had discussed this last year that WS may end up starting the route but never started. It would be a good seasonal destination IMO especially during summer to Banff.


Don't underestimate Banff in Winter either. We traveled there last year for February vacation and the place is amazing. We connected in YYZ and more than half of the Q400 were connecting to/from YYC. Why do I know that? For one, people carrying their boot bags onboard but on the return we were delayed at customs in YYZ because of the "unusual amount of bags" - their words. After waiting for almost an hour for our bags to clear customs they made the announcement that we shouldn't worry about making the connection: They were holding the plane back because most of the passengers to BOS were waiting at customs. In the end none of the ski bags arrived in Boston (the line at the luggage counter was huge), because the Q400 just can't handle that type of load. On the way out some of our bags didn't arrive either. Granted that this was February school vacation so it might not be that busy outside of that period. Regardless, I learned one very valuable lesson: Never book a ski trip on an itinerary the includes a prop plane :)
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:20 pm

Well it appears NK is jumping on BOS-RDU as well, seems like kind of a strange add for them considering the other routes they're adding from RDU are all hubs/focus cities. Curious to see how this will affect F9
 
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Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:50 pm

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Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:55 pm

aaflyer777 wrote:
Well it appears NK is jumping on BOS-RDU as well, seems like kind of a strange add for them considering the other routes they're adding from RDU are all hubs/focus cities. Curious to see how this will affect F9


I agree could be interesting. Here's the timings i just found

RDU 17.50 - 19.38 BOS D 320
BOS 20.38 - 22.38 RDU D 320
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Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:01 pm

NK is far more likely to stick around than F9. I see F9 bailing on this pretty fast, but NK will make this a 3 carrier route.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:23 pm

I honestly don't know much about NK or F9 - I've never flow either. However, given the ULCC model and the timings, I'm not sure that DL or B6 really care that much about losing the traffic on NK? I suppose they'd fill some Basic Economy fare seats.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:29 pm

tlecam wrote:
I honestly don't know much about NK or F9 - I've never flow either. However, given the ULCC model and the timings, I'm not sure that DL or B6 really care that much about losing the traffic on NK? I suppose they'd fill some Basic Economy fare seats.

I agree. I think they will cater to a different customer such as the college student wanting to go home for a few days or the business traveler without a corporate contract.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:22 pm

tlecam wrote:
I honestly don't know much about NK or F9 - I've never flow either. However, given the ULCC model and the timings, I'm not sure that DL or B6 really care that much about losing the traffic on NK? I suppose they'd fill some Basic Economy fare seats.


Like the majors, the price of admission on either ULCC goes up as the seats are sold. Last minute tickets are often comparable to the price on a major carrier especially if you pay for seat selection, carry-on and/or checked luggage.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:48 pm

I think for sure that we will see TP to OPO on a 321LR. Made me think of it because EWR is now getting x6 weekly OPO service on the 321 rather than x2 weekly on the 332. I imagine that they will start to expand OPO with the new 321LR's and see existing cities get 2 destination service from TP.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:57 pm

jsteeves3 wrote:
I think for sure that we will see TP to OPO on a 321LR. Made me think of it because EWR is now getting x6 weekly OPO service on the 321 rather than x2 weekly on the 332. I imagine that they will start to expand OPO with the new 321LR's and see existing cities get 2 destination service from TP.


I would have said a split op between OPO and LIS, but i forgot that DL start LIS this summer, so you maybe right BOS-OPO might be on the cards.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:39 pm

jsteeves3 wrote:
I think for sure that we will see TP to OPO on a 321LR. Made me think of it because EWR is now getting x6 weekly OPO service on the 321 rather than x2 weekly on the 332. I imagine that they will start to expand OPO with the new 321LR's and see existing cities get 2 destination service from TP.

I would expect a 2nd daily to LIS, hopefully a morning departure before a flight to OPO especially since TP runs an hourly shuttle between LIS and OPO and starting this year the shuttle will go to all A320's (from ATRs previously). That tells me that they are planning to funnel even more traffic thru LIS. Also a morning departure from places like BOS/JFK could provide good connections for their African destinations, a lot of which depart in the evening.
NYC to Porto is a significant market, served by both TAP and UA. The Porto region (like Milan in Italy) is the industrial center of Portugal and home to some of the largest Portuguese corporations and that generates a good mix of traffic to NYC for obvious reasons. OPO also serves Galicia in Spain as TAP provides a connection via bus service: https://www.flytap.com/en-cz/other-book ... icia-porto
I'm not sure that there is a lot of demand from New England to northern Portugal/Galicia and vice-versa. The Portuguese population in New England is quite different from that of the Newark region. In NE they come predominantly from the Azores and some from Lisbon. As a Portuguese immigrant living in the Boston area for almost 30 years I have never even once met anyone from Porto.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:38 pm

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As a Portuguese immigrant living in the Boston area for almost 30 years I have never even once met anyone from Porto.


You need to venture out to Milford, Hudson, Framingham, and as far west as Ludlow to spot folks from Northern Portugal. New Bedford\Acushnet has lots too. But you are correct, Azoreans rule this area. SATA I believe had flights to OPO not sure if was with a stop or not. At one point, there was direct as a charter with Azores Express.

I'm really hoping for this route. I think it would do reasonably well as a seasonal maybe 3-5x per week on the A321. For the same reasons you mentioned the corporate\business, education with universities and the overall startup\technology is booming in Porto but also Braga. Of course, Lisbon will trump on all these BUT Porto/North is a powerful #2 with a significant business community and lots of talent. The city and the surrounding area is Boston sized so its not a small city. Tourism is booming in Porto, which helps. Every riverboat company is sailing up the Douro.

So please TP fly to BOS-OPO. :)
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:12 pm

airbazar wrote:
jsteeves3 wrote:
I think for sure that we will see TP to OPO on a 321LR. Made me think of it because EWR is now getting x6 weekly OPO service on the 321 rather than x2 weekly on the 332. I imagine that they will start to expand OPO with the new 321LR's and see existing cities get 2 destination service from TP.

I would expect a 2nd daily to LIS, hopefully a morning departure before a flight to OPO especially since TP runs an hourly shuttle between LIS and OPO and starting this year the shuttle will go to all A320's (from ATRs previously). That tells me that they are planning to funnel even more traffic thru LIS. Also a morning departure from places like BOS/JFK could provide good connections for their African destinations, a lot of which depart in the evening.
NYC to Porto is a significant market, served by both TAP and UA. The Porto region (like Milan in Italy) is the industrial center of Portugal and home to some of the largest Portuguese corporations and that generates a good mix of traffic to NYC for obvious reasons. OPO also serves Galicia in Spain as TAP provides a connection via bus service: https://www.flytap.com/en-cz/other-book ... icia-porto
I'm not sure that there is a lot of demand from New England to northern Portugal/Galicia and vice-versa. The Portuguese population in New England is quite different from that of the Newark region. In NE they come predominantly from the Azores and some from Lisbon. As a Portuguese immigrant living in the Boston area for almost 30 years I have never even once met anyone from Porto.


I would have agreed with a 2nd daily, but as DL starts their seasonal flight, that's why I think OPO instead might be the option that happens.
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Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:42 pm

boeingbus wrote:
airbazar wrote:
As a Portuguese immigrant living in the Boston area for almost 30 years I have never even once met anyone from Porto.


You need to venture out to Milford, Hudson, Framingham, and as far west as Ludlow to spot folks from Northern Portugal. New Bedford\Acushnet has lots too. But you are correct, Azoreans rule this area. SATA I believe had flights to OPO not sure if was with a stop or not. At one point, there was direct as a charter with Azores Express.

I'm really hoping for this route. I think it would do reasonably well as a seasonal maybe 3-5x per week on the A321. For the same reasons you mentioned the corporate\business, education with universities and the overall startup\technology is booming in Porto but also Braga. Of course, Lisbon will trump on all these BUT Porto/North is a powerful #2 with a significant business community and lots of talent. The city and the surrounding area is Boston sized so its not a small city. Tourism is booming in Porto, which helps. Every riverboat company is sailing up the Douro.

So please TP fly to BOS-OPO. :)


Indeed...I'm from Milford originally and people from the Islands are the minority there....It's almost all Northern Portugal, including my family. Anyone from the islands has a "special" nickname lol

Now I live in Hawaii where its all 3rd or 4th generation Azorians...where did it all go wrong ;)
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Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:49 pm

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You need to venture out to Milford, Hudson, Framingham, and as far west as Ludlow to spot folks from Northern Portugal. New Bedford\Acushnet has lots too.

I'm sure there are a few but not enough to support a non-stop flight IMO.
One good way to gauge the origin is to look at the local soccer club presence. You can find a Benfica/Sporting/Faialense club in places like Cambridge, RI, Hartford, Lowel, etc, but no FC Porto club. You have to go all the way to Danbury Ct for the nearest FC Porto "house".
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I would have agreed with a 2nd daily, but as DL starts their seasonal flight, that's why I think OPO instead might be the option that happens.

There's a case to be made for either or both :)
This year they are increasing capacity from an A332 to the A339 so I don't see an increase to a 2nd flight before 2020.
As for DL and judging by the cheap fares still available I'm going to guess they're not offering much competition and might not even return. I think DL is primarily trying to capitalize on the current popularity of Portugal and bringing in passengers that wouldn't otherwise go to Portugal. It's crazy that you can still buy a ticket for $650 for peak Summer season on DL. Those are off-season prices. TP will always control the price point on this route thanks to it having a major hub at both ends.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:14 pm

Today EK formally announced Boston A380 Service: https://twitter.com/emirates/status/1085552338528624640

"We are excited to announce a daily @Airbus A380 service between @bostonlogan and @DubaiAirports, to be operated on a seasonal basis from June 2019."
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:57 pm

airbazar wrote:
boeingbus wrote:
You need to venture out to Milford, Hudson, Framingham, and as far west as Ludlow to spot folks from Northern Portugal. New Bedford\Acushnet has lots too.

I'm sure there are a few but not enough to support a non-stop flight IMO.
One good way to gauge the origin is to look at the local soccer club presence. You can find a Benfica/Sporting/Faialense club in places like Cambridge, RI, Hartford, Lowel, etc, but no FC Porto club. You have to go all the way to Danbury Ct for the nearest FC Porto "house".
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I would have agreed with a 2nd daily, but as DL starts their seasonal flight, that's why I think OPO instead might be the option that happens.

There's a case to be made for either or both :)
This year they are increasing capacity from an A332 to the A339 so I don't see an increase to a 2nd flight before 2020.
As for DL and judging by the cheap fares still available I'm going to guess they're not offering much competition and might not even return. I think DL is primarily trying to capitalize on the current popularity of Portugal and bringing in passengers that wouldn't otherwise go to Portugal. It's crazy that you can still buy a ticket for $650 for peak Summer season on DL. Those are off-season prices. TP will always control the price point on this route thanks to it having a major hub at both ends.


I actually know more people from FNC than OPO but has OPO-BOS been stimulated by TP's entrance? What are OPO-USA overall pax counts? It would feed B6 network.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:22 pm

jworks158 wrote:
Today EK formally announced Boston A380 Service: https://twitter.com/emirates/status/1085552338528624640

"We are excited to announce a daily @Airbus A380 service between @bostonlogan and @DubaiAirports, to be operated on a seasonal basis from June 2019."


Great news for BOS. Has any other airline flown an A380 to BOS?
 
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Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:28 pm

SDFguy wrote:
jworks158 wrote:
Today EK formally announced Boston A380 Service: https://twitter.com/emirates/status/1085552338528624640

"We are excited to announce a daily @Airbus A380 service between @bostonlogan and @DubaiAirports, to be operated on a seasonal basis from June 2019."


Great news for BOS. Has any other airline flown an A380 to BOS?


Yep BA already fly it a few times a week on. A regular basis
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Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:00 pm

VS4ever wrote:
SDFguy wrote:
jworks158 wrote:
Today EK formally announced Boston A380 Service: https://twitter.com/emirates/status/1085552338528624640

"We are excited to announce a daily @Airbus A380 service between @bostonlogan and @DubaiAirports, to be operated on a seasonal basis from June 2019."


Great news for BOS. Has any other airline flown an A380 to BOS?


Yep BA already fly it a few times a week on. A regular basis


And are moving from 3 times weekly to daily this coming spring/summer season!
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Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:03 pm

Flight Global article about DL route expansion in BOS.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ti-454281/
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Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:18 pm

Speaking of Delta, anyone here think that there's any chance that DL could launch its much talked about BOM route from BOS? Talk about a surprise :)
Pros: less competition, Massport subsidy for being a new destination, goodwill for launching a route that Massport has wanted for a long time, sizable O&D market, no backtracking on connections.
Cons: Not NYC. BOS is not an A350/77L base.
 
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Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:27 pm

airbazar wrote:
Speaking of Delta, anyone here think that there's any chance that DL could launch its much talked about BOM route from BOS? Talk about a surprise :)
Pros: less competition, Massport subsidy for being a new destination, goodwill for launching a route that Massport has wanted for a long time, sizable O&D market, no backtracking on connections.
Cons: Not NYC. BOS is not an A350/77L base.


It would be an interesting one, but I would argue that BOS isn't a 330 or 763 base either, as those are routed from elsewhere to fly the European routes. I have to assume that a 350/77L could fit at A13 or A14 to run the route? Otherwise I agree with your assessment, Massport would be very happy as they have been after this as a jewel in the crown for a while. With the right incentives and you are correct a decent O&D market, particularly with MIT, it's one that does indeed make you wonder if it would work or not.
That said would it kill QR/EK a bit?
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Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:31 pm

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That said would it kill QR/EK a bit?


It sure would kill someone from Detroit :lol:
 
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Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:34 pm

A few months ago, I would have said "no chance in hell", because there weren't enough connecting flights to augment the O&D (at least on single connections).

Given the expansion coming in 2019, I think they're getting to a point with enough connecting traffic.

With regards to airport operations, I think they could time this to depart after the other int'l flights leave.

I don't think the lack of a base is an issue - they fly a lot of planes out of BOS that don't have a base in BOS. In fact, are there any pilot bases in BOS? I know there are FA bases.

If they are going to offer ULH, I think they'll need to come up with a better experience for arrivals with connections. Hypothetically, if I'm in business, I am not going to be particularly thrilled about arriving, going through immigration, collecting my bags, going through customs and then schlepping from E to A.

So my guess - unlikely but not impossible.

Off the top of my head, the US cities with non-stops to India are NYC (JFK, EWR), Chicago, San Francisco, DC. I don't think LA has a non-stop. In terms markets, Boston is not an illogical add to that group, although it doesn't have nearly the hub scale that those cities do.
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Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:58 pm

I guess the term "A350/77L base" wasn't the correct one to use. How would DL rotate an A350/77L to BOS in order to operate this flight? There's just no easy way. It would require a domestic repositioning flight or switching one of the AMS flights to A350/777L.
As for the walk from E to A, I don't think it's that bad? I've had far longer walks at places like AMS, IAH, LHR just to name a few major hubs.
I think the single biggest problem is getting the appropriate aircraft to BOS. But I guess the same would be true for JFK. I don't think DL currently rotates any A359/77L thru JFK.
 
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Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:14 pm

chrisnh wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
That said would it kill QR/EK a bit?


It sure would kill someone from Detroit :lol:


and let's face it, that's probably where it would come from if they did it. Oh to be a fly on the wall if that happened
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Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:10 am

So...DL has committed to flying to India but hasn’t said where from?
 
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Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:07 pm

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So...DL has committed to flying to India but hasn’t said where from?

I don't think "committed" is the right word but there's an entire thread on it here if you feel bored :)
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1394933
The original announcement felt more like a wish than a commitment.
Personally I think it was more politically motivated rather than economically motivated but we shall see.
 
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Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:20 am

Some excellent adds to Logan makeover

https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/20 ... story.html

I would recommend you to see the new Terminal B and things are still being done. It does look really nice!
 
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Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:01 am

I noticed that AC and AA all moved down some in terminal B ticket counter. What airline will be going into this new space? WN?
 
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Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:09 am

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I noticed that AC and AA all moved down some in terminal B ticket counter. What airline will be going into this new space? WN?


Most likely yes, as they will need plenty when their 5 gates become active, plus if F9 get going, they will need a couple too.
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Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:42 am

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It sure would kill someone from Detroit :lol:


I see what you did there. :stirthepot: :duck:

VS4ever wrote:
and let's face it, that's probably where it would come from if they did it. Oh to be a fly on the wall if that happened


From a pure avgeek perspective, the Delta A359s are about the only thing that DTW has that I wish BOS did. Even so, if you were to ask me whether I'd rather be able to spot those or the BA 744s and A380s, I'd personally take the latter two each and every day of the week.
 
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Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:54 am

33lspotter wrote:

From a pure avgeek perspective, the Delta A359s are about the only thing that DTW has that I wish BOS did. Even so, if you were to ask me whether I'd rather be able to spot those or the BA 744s and A380s, I'd personally take the latter two each and every day of the week.


I would add seasonal PVR/SJD/CZM to that list. Those would be great DL additions (cough A220 cough) and hopefully not at the expense of DTW!
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2019: CX BOS-HKG, WE HKG-HKT, CA HKT-PEK-EWR, B6 EWR-BOS
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:54 am

airbazar wrote:
How would DL rotate an A350/77L to BOS in order to operate this flight? There's just no easy way. It would require a domestic repositioning flight
or switching one of the AMS flights to A350/777L.

Good point and this is correct. As best I know DL does not have its widebodies that serve BOS reposition domestically, although I think it will change with the SLC 763ER flights this spring? I am pretty sure the only US airports that see the DL A359s are ATL (solely for ICN flights), DTW, and LAX (solely for the PVG flights).


airbazar wrote:
As for the walk from E to A, I don't think it's that bad? I've had far longer walks at places like AMS, IAH, LHR just to name a few major hubs.

The walk is one thing -- it's not ideal but not debilitating, either -- but I think the bigger issue is that connecting passengers (particularly those in J) would scoff at having to re-do security after a 12+ hour ULH flight. I cannot imagine that would go over well with the high-value customers. Then again, it seems that there is an increasing number of self-connecting passengers, so maybe it's not as big of a deal as I thought.

Ironic considering we're talking about Delta, but I think that JFK's T4 -- the DL terminal at that airport -- is the worst I've encountered. IIRC I took a bus from one end of the same terminal to the other to connect...I get that there are infrastructural limitations and other factors that I don't know about that went into the design, as it's a fairly new terminal, but I can hardly think that having to have a bus move people within the same terminal is practical.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:34 am

33lspotter wrote:

Ironic considering we're talking about Delta, but I think that JFK's T4 -- the DL terminal at that airport -- is the worst I've encountered. IIRC I took a bus from one end of the same terminal to the other to connect...I get that there are infrastructural limitations and other factors that I don't know about that went into the design, as it's a fairly new terminal, but I can hardly think that having to have a bus move people within the same terminal is practical.


I agree, not to mention that DTW already has the solution built for those long straight terminals.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:26 am

33lspotter wrote:
Ironic considering we're talking about Delta, but I think that JFK's T4 -- the DL terminal at that airport -- is the worst I've encountered. IIRC I took a bus from one end of the same terminal to the other to connect...I get that there are infrastructural limitations and other factors that I don't know about that went into the design, as it's a fairly new terminal, but I can hardly think that having to have a bus move people within the same terminal is practical.


That's nothing. I once had to disembark a barbie jet at JFK by stairs, only to enter a cold metal tunnel built on the tarmac with the wind blowing through the thing like an organ pipe, only to end up at a bus terminal that drove around the entire perimeter to another barbie jet connected to a metal pipe.
This was YEARS ago, and back then I vowed to NEVER EVER connect at "Third World Piece of Garbage JFK" again.

We are so fortunate to have all these nice, brand new airliners come to Boston over the last three years. Boston is now as well-connected to the rest of the world as JFK is.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:38 am

Does anyone know exactly when AA is moving out of the high B Gates and WN moving out of a into them?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:07 pm

tlecam wrote:
33lspotter wrote:

Ironic considering we're talking about Delta, but I think that JFK's T4 -- the DL terminal at that airport -- is the worst I've encountered. IIRC I took a bus from one end of the same terminal to the other to connect...I get that there are infrastructural limitations and other factors that I don't know about that went into the design, as it's a fairly new terminal, but I can hardly think that having to have a bus move people within the same terminal is practical.


I agree, not to mention that DTW already has the solution built for those long straight terminals.


T4 at JFK is a medium term solution for Delta. The Port Authority is working on a permanent new unified terminal. if you search back 4 or 5 years ago to when Delta first announced its new JFK plans and the replacement of the old PA "world port" terminal, you'd notice that things are much less ambitious now than they were supposed to be. There was supposed to be a walkway connecting T2 and T4, and the A concourse of T4 was supposed to get an extension. Plus the construction quality of the second extension (the RJ wing, if you will) is pretty barebones. All of which says to me that DL built this to be there for 10ish years before the new airport terminal replaces it.

https://www.ny.gov/transforming-jfk-air ... the-vision

DL simply built two extensions onto the B concourse and there really wasn't space to build a tram, etc. There is a moving walkway, however, that runs the length of the mainline portion the concourse. So in some ways its similar (not as nice, I grant you) as DTW when the tram isn't working.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:19 pm

KMCOFlyer wrote:
Does anyone know exactly when AA is moving out of the high B Gates and WN moving out of a into them?


AA should be consolidating their operation into the former USAir pier by the end of the month.
MassPort stated approximately 5 months to remodel the former AA pier of terminal B with adding Two new gates. Freshening up the concourse, remodeled concessions, etc. tie in with the B-C connector.
WN is planning on moving over to the former AA gates by August.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:22 pm

B757rocket wrote:
KMCOFlyer wrote:
Does anyone know exactly when AA is moving out of the high B Gates and WN moving out of a into them?


AA should be consolidating their operation into the former USAir pier by the end of the month.
MassPort stated approximately 5 months to remodel the former AA pier of terminal B with adding Two new gates.
WN is planning on moving over to the former AA gates by August.

Most of the AA and LUS flights go anyways from the remodeled side. In my past 3 weeks of travel this year I used only the legacy AA side once for a late night arrival. I also saw UA departures from the old legacy AA gates on Thu so I do not know if it’s because of construction.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:10 pm

There's a few interesting tid-bits that I was unaware of in today's Globe article:
- Centralizing Uber and Lift drop-offs and pick-ups at Central Parking
- Renovations of Terminal C
- Possible ramp-up of monorail line connecting terminals with Blue Line

https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/20 ... story.html
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:57 pm

Don't want to get involved in the trollfest thread about JetBlue that's running, but for anyone wondering, I can assure you that BOS is a bit of a mess. JetBlue in all likelihood will come out looking smart for canceling all operations.

DL may be operating, but there are currently flights that were scheduled to depart before 9am still waiting.

Furthermore, as temperatures drop, so do deicing holdover times. Frozen ice pellets in severe cold is as bad as it gets. Bad as in, 5 minutes maximum from the START of fluid application to airborne. Impossible to keep up with.

E of course rolls on as usual. Just some very cold folks out here working.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:13 pm

33lspotter wrote:
airbazar wrote:
As for the walk from E to A, I don't think it's that bad? I've had far longer walks at places like AMS, IAH, LHR just to name a few major hubs.

The walk is one thing -- it's not ideal but not debilitating, either -- but I think the bigger issue is that connecting passengers (particularly those in J) would scoff at having to re-do security after a 12+ hour ULH flight. I cannot imagine that would go over well with the high-value customers. Then again, it seems that there is an increasing number of self-connecting passengers, so maybe it's not as big of a deal as I thought.

Right but re-clearing security is hardly a BOS thing. If we're to believe all the talk about how great B6 is for it's international partners and viceversa, then the connections at BOS are a mute point. It's just the way international connections are done in this country. You cannot connect from an international flight without having to clear immigration and customs at your first entry point and thus having to re-clear security to get back into the terminal. That's just how connections are done in this country.
E to A is actually one of the easiest transfers at Logan. It's all indoors and served by elevators and moving walkways.
E to C by comparison, requires a lot more walking due to the lack of moving walkways, even tho the terminals are right next to eachother.
FGITD wrote:
Furthermore, as temperatures drop, so do deicing holdover times. Frozen ice pellets in severe cold is as bad as it gets. Bad as in, 5 minutes maximum from the START of fluid application to airborne. Impossible to keep up with.

Yeah this storm shifted like no one was expecting even 24 hours ago. Ice pellets and freezing rain are no fun.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:43 pm

FGITD wrote:
Don't want to get involved in the trollfest thread about JetBlue that's running, but for anyone wondering, I can assure you that BOS is a bit of a mess. JetBlue in all likelihood will come out looking smart for canceling all operations.

DL may be operating, but there are currently flights that were scheduled to depart before 9am still waiting.

Furthermore, as temperatures drop, so do deicing holdover times. Frozen ice pellets in severe cold is as bad as it gets. Bad as in, 5 minutes maximum from the START of fluid application to airborne. Impossible to keep up with.

E of course rolls on as usual. Just some very cold folks out here working.


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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:08 pm

airbazar wrote:

Right but re-clearing security is hardly a BOS thing. If we're to believe all the talk about how great B6 is for it's international partners and viceversa, then the connections at BOS are a mute point. It's just the way international connections are done in this country. You cannot connect from an international flight without having to clear immigration and customs at your first entry point and thus having to re-clear security to get back into the terminal. That's just how connections are done in this country.
E to A is actually one of the easiest transfers at Logan. It's all indoors and served by elevators and moving walkways.
E to C by comparison, requires a lot more walking due to the lack of moving walkways, even tho the terminals are right next to eachother.


Admittedly I didn’t know that — I assumed that USA airports were like what I remember the Schengen airports to be like where IIRC you can make international connections (eg BOS-CDG-MAD) entirely airside. I am spoiled having access to all these nonstops. ;)
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:25 pm

[*]They're Falling fast. both LH flights cancelled, including the MUC which isn't even scheduled to land for a few more hours.

Stand corrected. Apparently the Munich flight is being rescheduled to anticipate handling difficulties
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