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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:50 am

Dieuwer wrote:
Does the Avianca pullout means that BOS has peaked? Or is this just uniquely related to Colombia?


The global economy has peaked. As an individual city I don't think Boston is losing any more appeal than the rest of U.S. cities.

And on an optimistic note,
clrd4t8koff wrote:
airway1 wrote:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/282910/avianca-ns19-us-inventory-changes-as-of-12feb19/

Does this mean loads are so great all classes at full fare? Should we expect more capacity?


It’s odd that AV would only make changes to 4 of their 6 weekly BOS-BOG flights. If they were phasing this flight out why didn’t this change apply to all flights?


This seems to imply they might be drastically reducing frequency rather than pulling out entirely.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:24 pm

airbazar wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
Does the Avianca pullout means that BOS has peaked? Or is this just uniquely related to Colombia?

I think it's more related to the fact that people aren't really buying into BOG as a connecting hub to S.America where Brazil is the biggest market and once GRU-BOS was started whatever little valuable market there was has opted to fly with LATAM or simply there isn't enough of a market for 2 airlines.



Colombia is the second biggest S.A. market but its heavy on VFR especially MDE but traffic numbers are not at the scale of South Florida/NYC-Colombia. I think the problem for this route is a well entrenched BOS-PTY on CM. Also some BOS-PTY 737MAX flights have flat beds for the business travelers. Two of the top 5 connecting points on BOS-PTY have been BOG and MDE. A slightly similar allegory to this would be B6's struggles to maintain BOS-SRQ where the DL monster hub a bit north always has great deals to SRQ.

I wonder if AV will play around with the SAL hub or at least the BOS flight to feed the Colombian routes from there. Something to keep an eye on will be the upcoming JV with UA/CM/AV. It may turn out that the JV decides something like this:

SAL - Central America hub for high O+D routes not well served by PTY. BOS would fall into since SAL/GUA-BOS are decent sized markets.
PTY - Southern Central America and South America. BOS would be kept for sure since this would be the JV's main hub.
BOG- South America hub for high O+D routes. BOS may not be kept if its not gone by then unless economic factors change.
Airlines flown: A3, AA, AC, AF, AM, BA, B6, CA, CO, CX, DL, EA, EL, IB, LH, MI, MQ, NH, NW, NZ, OU, PE, QF, S4, SQ, TP, UA, US, VS, WE, WN

2019: CX BOS-HKG, WE HKG-HKT, CA HKT-PEK-EWR, B6 EWR-BOS
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:45 am

JetBlue Boston Load Factors

BOS-XXX (no return ex. XXX-BOS)

1. Domestic flights are from October 2018
2. International flights are from July 2018


Destination
Flights Per Month
Load Factor %
Aruba
39
90%
Atlanta
137
81%
Austin
31
87%
Baltimore
168
79%
Barbados
4
95%
Bermuda
31
82%
Buffalo
145
75%
Burbank
27
79%
Cancun
4
85%
Charleston, SC
56
83%
Charlotte
86
80%
Chicago-O’Hare
133
86%
Cleveland
89
89%
Dallas/Ft. Worth
56
90%
Denver
58
87%
Detroit
89
82%
Fort Lauderdale
142
90%
Fort Myers
124
88%
Havana
-
-
Houston-Hobby
32
87%
Jacksonville, FL
93
83%
Las Vegas
118
86%
Long Beach
51
89%
Los Angeles
121
88%

Mexico City
-
-
Minneapolis/St. Paul
88
78%
Montego Bay
4
93%
Nashville
63
87%
Nassau
-
-
New Orleans
60
91%
New York-JFK
189
78%
New York-LaGuardia
155
69%
Newark
165
66%
Orlando
184
83%
Philadelphia
169
78%
Phoenix-Sky Harbor
31
94%
Pittsburgh
181
76%
Punta Cana
18
91%
Raleigh/Durham
174
83%
Richmond
117
83%
Rochester, NY
-
-
Salt Lake City
23
86%
San Diego
62
90%
San Francisco
139
89%
San Jose, CA
18
93%
San Juan
60
89%
Santiago
44
91%
Santo Domingo
46
92%
Savannah
30
83%

Seattle/Tacoma
56
81%
Syracuse
30
69%
Tampa
147
86%
Washington-National
299
83%
West Palm Beach
117
89%
Seasonal:




Grand Cayman
-
-
Hayden/Steamboat Springs
-
-
Liberia (CR)
-
-
Martha’s Vineyard
-
-
Nantucket
6
58%
Oakland
-
-
Palm Springs
-
-
Port-au-Prince
23
78%
Portland, OR
8
91%
Providenciales
-
-
Puerto Plata
-
-
Sacramento
-
-
Sarasota
31
86%
St. Lucia
-
-
St. Maarten
-
-
St. Thomas
-
-

Best Performing Domestic Flight: Phoenix x1 94%
Best Performing International Flight: Barbados x.1 95%
Worst Performing Domestic Flight: Newark x5.2 66% (Seasonal Nantucket End of Season 58%)
Worst Performing International Flight: Port-au-Prince x1.3
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:58 pm

T-100's are out for August (for International) and i've updated my report accordingly, same information as last month, although I have now added a summary page, plus TA for the new SAL route so you can see the comparatives for all the regions on the same basis (Month, Quarter, YTD and month by month) so you can see how they progress.

There are 2 elements: Boston only (as noted by the "BOS -" tabs) and then the airlines that fly out of Boston, I have excluded a couple like AC, which are hugely messy to figure out, but may go back and fix them at some point.

File link is here for your review: https://drive.google.com/open?id=158fLj ... eN10_RI6m1
.

I'll add my color commentary:

Caribbean -
still really out of season for this region, only 452 flights recorded but a 90.6% load, higher inbound, maybe reflecting towards the end of the season and families coming home for school? B6 remains the powerhouse in this region DL have got a decent slice of the BDA and MBJ markets, but all in all everything seems in order here.

Canada -
All the airlines managed over 85% this month, which you would expect given the time of year
YYZ hit 95% on Sky and YHZ pulled in 91% on Jazz. AC managed 88% on their seasonal YVR.
BOS ranked #1 on PD's routes to YTZ (88.5%) and lowest on WS's YHZ and YYZ routes with 80% and 87% respectfully.

Europe -

A bumper month for the region with mid to high 80's on all loads with the lowest being S4 with 84% and SK with 79.5%.

Top Scores went to:
Level - 95.65% (sold out, they must have to consider upping their frequency in 19, although i am not sure they have at this point)
DY LGW - 94.07%
DY CDG - 93.59% (18% of the market!)
EI - DUB - 94.01%
LH - MUC - 92.94%


In terms of comparatives, BOS ranked the following: numbers in ( ) are how many in each listing
AF - 5th (13) - 91.44% (DTW was 4th, but working on single, not double daily)
AZ - 1st (6) - 91.94% ahead of JFK, but JFK is triple daily.
BA - 3rd (22) - 89.09%, ahead of EWR, but behind SEA.
DL - AMS - 1st (10) 91.29% SEA 2nd and ATL 3rd.
DL - CDG - 3rd (13) - 90.51% EWR 1st, JFK 2nd, but barely anything in it.
DL - LHR - 2nd (7) - MSP for the win by 95 pax.
DL - DUB - 2nd (3) - 90.32% was pretty good, but using smaller aircraft than JFK/ATL
DY - LGW - 1st (10) - 94.07%, beat out ORD by a good 6+%.
DY - CDG - 2nd (8) - 93.59%, beaten out by JFK, and technically EWR-ORY, but not counting the latter because it's not CDG
EI - DUB & SNN - 2nd and 5th (13) - 94.01% and 92.05%, BOS was only beaten by 70 pax and fewer seats by JFK. SNN beat out JFK by about 0.5%
FI - 3rd (16) .87.49% beaten out by EWR and JFK in % terms, but by far the largest number of pax flying on them out of BOS in the FI network (27,000), side note MCI DFW, and CLE only made mid 60%'s. this month.
IB - MAD - 3rd (7) - 88.48%, JFK and MIA led the way, with SJU bringing up the rear, ORD incidentally was 10% behind BOS, despite having bigger aircraft on the route.
IB (Level) - BCN - 1st (3) almost 96% (again)
LH - FRA - 4th (19) 90.78% behind, JFK, EWR and SEA
LH - MUC -1st (10) with 92.94%, 2nd JFK, 3rd EWR
LX - 5th (7) - 92.09%, #1 JFK got 94.15%, but this a decent showing on more than daily...
MT - 6th (7) - 86.77%
SK - 5th (6) -79.51%, over 6% behind SFO in 5th ahead of MIA but they have 1/2 the flights.
TP - 5th (5) - 88.29%, but only 2.5% spread between all LIS destinations.
VS - LHR 1st (9) - 90.33%, who'd have thought it!, EWR 2nd, and in today's fun facts, Outbound Pax from EWR and BOS for the month were 7,311 and 7,310 respectively.
VS - MAN 1st (6) - 92.06%, impressive for this route, be interesting to see what happens in 19 after MT pull out, plus Flybe potentially giving full feed to VS.
WW - 7th (13) - 86.43%, 0.07% behind LAX in 6th and 4% behind ORD in 1st. JFK got less than 50%, PIT 72%, and CLE 76%

Middle East- all routes over 86%, DXB and IST over 93%, which is essentially sold out for the month, Winner was EK with 94.53% (almost 21k pax) TK 2nd with 93.68%, QR and LY were close with 86.99% and 86.13% respectively. QR was slanted way to inbound with 96% vs 78% on the way out.

In terms of comparatives, BOS ranked the following: numbers in ( ) are how many in each listing
EK - 2nd (11) - 94.53%, 2.3% behind JFK in first. IAH and SFO brought up the rear.
LY - 3rd (5) - 86.13% only behind the NYC routes, which is to be expected considering the diaspora there.
QR - 2nd (10) - 86.99% 1% behind LAX, basement dweller was MIA with only 73%.
TK - 3rd (9) - 93.68%, 1.5% behind IAD, ATL finished last at 80.85%

Asia- three of the four routes managed over 89%, with the exception of PVG, which managed 81%, PVG did well on the inbound with 89%, however outbound dragged the number down with just 73.35%...
Load factor winner was CX with 92.62%, JL 2nd with 90.94% and HU with PEK at 89.73% and PVG at 80.97%

In terms of comparatives, BOS ranked the following: numbers in ( ) are how many in each listing
CX - Tied 1st (6) - best out of single daily flight destinations, tied with LAX who run triple daily.
JL - 2nd (9) - only beaten by GUM which is double daily, almost 3% ahead of DFW in 3rd.
HU - PEK - 2nd (5) - 1% behind SEA, suggesting the lower loads are not confined to BOS
HU - PVG only 1 comparative, which is SEA and a whopping 18% behind, SEA was sold out for the month.

The Americas
Central America -
MEX - AM managed 82.09% 5th out of 14, behind ORD, leader was JFK.
PTY - CM managed 90.08% 2nd out of 14, 3.1% behind leader JFK, but continues to show the success of above daily on the route.
SAL - TA managed 81.38% 8th out of 11, on first month of reporting, be interesting to see how this one will develop.

South America -
BOG - AV managed 86.90% for 6th out of 8, only beat SJU and MIA (triple daily), 3% lower than next placed MCO
GRU - JJ managed 88.8% best out of 5, ahead of LAS.

More details in the file.. enjoy..
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:43 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
airway1 wrote:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/282910/avianca-ns19-us-inventory-changes-as-of-12feb19/

Does this mean loads are so great all classes at full fare? Should we expect more capacity?


No. This means they are discontinuing the route. Only load full fare to make it unattractive to purchase before pulling out of GDS on the weekend schedule update.


Where has anything been stated they’re discontinuing the route? Do you have a source? A week now since your post and flights (aside from April) are still loaded through January 2020 at 6x weekly and not all are full fare.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:06 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
airway1 wrote:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/282910/avianca-ns19-us-inventory-changes-as-of-12feb19/

Does this mean loads are so great all classes at full fare? Should we expect more capacity?


No. This means they are discontinuing the route. Only load full fare to make it unattractive to purchase before pulling out of GDS on the weekend schedule update.


Where has anything been stated they’re discontinuing the route? Do you have a source? A week now since your post and flights (aside from April) are still loaded through January 2020 at 6x weekly and not all are full fare.


There was a brief discussion here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1415193

and then this on last weeks OAG thread
AV BOG-BOS APR 0.8>0.4[0.6]
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:31 pm

VS4ever wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

No. This means they are discontinuing the route. Only load full fare to make it unattractive to purchase before pulling out of GDS on the weekend schedule update.


Where has anything been stated they’re discontinuing the route? Do you have a source? A week now since your post and flights (aside from April) are still loaded through January 2020 at 6x weekly and not all are full fare.


There was a brief discussion here: https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtop ... &t=1415193

and then this on last weeks OAG thread
AV BOG-BOS APR 0.8>0.4[0.6]


But nowhere does it say they’re discontinuing the route. Right now April, and only April, has been adjusted.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:23 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:

Where has anything been stated they’re discontinuing the route? Do you have a source? A week now since your post and flights (aside from April) are still loaded through January 2020 at 6x weekly and not all are full fare.


There was a brief discussion here: https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtop ... &t=1415193

and then this on last weeks OAG thread
AV BOG-BOS APR 0.8>0.4[0.6]


But nowhere does it say they’re discontinuing the route. Right now April, and only April, has been adjusted.


Officially, no, but apparently this is not the first time it has happened and that time the route was discontinued
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:38 am

Why would AV discontinue BOS-BOG if the load factors are 86+%??
For giggles, you should compare BA LGW-JFK with DY LGW-JFK.
I think the FlyBe purchase will help DL/VS a lot. Maybe DL/VS can now pry some lucrative biz contracts from BA, as the DL/VS J product is obviously superior to that of BA.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:23 am

Thanks for the data VS4ever!
VS4ever wrote:
Top Scores went to:
Level - 95.65% (sold out, they must have to consider upping their frequency in 19, although i am not sure they have at this point)
DY LGW - 94.07%
DY CDG - 93.59% (18% of the market!)

Longhaul lowcost carriers/destinations have been very succesful in Boston! Crazy how quickly DY's CDG service gained market share.

VS4ever wrote:
Asia- three of the four routes managed over 89%, with the exception of PVG, which managed 81%, PVG did well on the inbound with 89%, however outbound dragged the number down with just 73.35%...
Load factor winner was CX with 92.62%, JL 2nd with 90.94% and HU with PEK at 89.73% and PVG at 80.97%
HU - PVG only 1 comparative, which is SEA and a whopping 18% behind, SEA was sold out for the month.

HKG is definitely ready for more flights whether its from CX or another carrier.
JL is looking strong makes me wonder, especially with all the murmuring from the Haneda slots (a lot of people suggesting BOS), if NH is going to jump into the market
As for PVG, if HU does decide to drop it, does anyone think China Eastern might try the market, using either A350s or 787s? With a larger hub on the PVG side and DL partnership in BOS, I think that they might be able to work the market better than HU which completely lacks partners on both sides and relies on pure O/D.
VS4ever wrote:
South America -
BOG - AV managed 86.90% for 6th out of 8, only beat SJU and MIA (triple daily), 3% lower than next placed MCO

Would be a shame if cut, loads aren't that bad despite JJ's entry into BOS.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:40 am

Dieuwer wrote:
Why would AV discontinue BOS-BOG if the load factors are 86+%??


Here's month by month in 2018. AV was 4 weekly during this time. Important to note CM increased service in Q12018. The big VFR market is also MDE and not BOG which helps CM since it can actually offer a better schedule. Its similar to CNF being the large VFR market from Brazil in Greater Boston.

Jan - 81.7%
Feb - 79.4%
Mar - 81.7%
Apr - 76.6%
May - 80.2%
Jun - 89.3%
Jul - 88.2%
Aug - 86.9%

April was their worst month!!!

I just did a search on ITA for March (non-stop BOS-BOG and BOG-BOS 7-8 nights) and there were a lot of midweek fares for $449 but it appears some days are sold out. Its feast or famine with this route.

Also - read my post above for more thoughts - I will repeat one thing: long term this route could be at risk when the UA/CM/AV JV begins.
Airlines flown: A3, AA, AC, AF, AM, BA, B6, CA, CO, CX, DL, EA, EL, IB, LH, MI, MQ, NH, NW, NZ, OU, PE, QF, S4, SQ, TP, UA, US, VS, WE, WN

2019: CX BOS-HKG, WE HKG-HKT, CA HKT-PEK-EWR, B6 EWR-BOS
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:03 am

NickolayAv wrote:
Thanks for the data VS4ever!
VS4ever wrote:
Top Scores went to:
Level - 95.65% (sold out, they must have to consider upping their frequency in 19, although i am not sure they have at this point)
DY LGW - 94.07%
DY CDG - 93.59% (18% of the market!)

Longhaul lowcost carriers/destinations have been very succesful in Boston! Crazy how quickly DY's CDG service gained market share.

VS4ever wrote:
Asia- three of the four routes managed over 89%, with the exception of PVG, which managed 81%, PVG did well on the inbound with 89%, however outbound dragged the number down with just 73.35%...
Load factor winner was CX with 92.62%, JL 2nd with 90.94% and HU with PEK at 89.73% and PVG at 80.97%
HU - PVG only 1 comparative, which is SEA and a whopping 18% behind, SEA was sold out for the month.

HKG is definitely ready for more flights whether its from CX or another carrier.
JL is looking strong makes me wonder, especially with all the murmuring from the Haneda slots (a lot of people suggesting BOS), if NH is going to jump into the market
As for PVG, if HU does decide to drop it, does anyone think China Eastern might try the market, using either A350s or 787s? With a larger hub on the PVG side and DL partnership in BOS, I think that they might be able to work the market better than HU which completely lacks partners on both sides and relies on pure O/D.


How about a Taiwanese carrier?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:22 am

Dieuwer wrote:
NickolayAv wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
Asia- three of the four routes managed over 89%, with the exception of PVG, which managed 81%, PVG did well on the inbound with 89%, however outbound dragged the number down with just 73.35%...
Load factor winner was CX with 92.62%, JL 2nd with 90.94% and HU with PEK at 89.73% and PVG at 80.97%
HU - PVG only 1 comparative, which is SEA and a whopping 18% behind, SEA was sold out for the month.

HKG is definitely ready for more flights whether its from CX or another carrier.
JL is looking strong makes me wonder, especially with all the murmuring from the Haneda slots (a lot of people suggesting BOS), if NH is going to jump into the market
As for PVG, if HU does decide to drop it, does anyone think China Eastern might try the market, using either A350s or 787s? With a larger hub on the PVG side and DL partnership in BOS, I think that they might be able to work the market better than HU which completely lacks partners on both sides and relies on pure O/D.


How about a Taiwanese carrier?

Although service to Taiwan would be great, I don't think it would cover a lack of service to PVG if HU does end up cutting the flight.

In other news, unfortunately, Boutique Air is ending service to Massena as of March 31, 2019.
UA has stolen another EAS service from Boston.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:34 am

Dieuwer wrote:
Why would AV discontinue BOS-BOG if the load factors are 86+%??
For giggles, you should compare BA LGW-JFK with DY LGW-JFK.
I think the FlyBe purchase will help DL/VS a lot. Maybe DL/VS can now pry some lucrative biz contracts from BA, as the DL/VS J product is obviously superior to that of BA.


For August (YTD):
BA LGW JFK (combined direction)
Flights: 62 (441)
Seats: 20,832 (127,644)
Pax: 18,086 (98,148)
Load: 86.82% (76.89%)

DY LGW JFK (combined direction
Flights: 104 (844)
Seats: 40,110 (302,383)
Pax: 35,839 (273,113)
Load: 89.35% (90.32%)

Not sure what your point is with those numbers, we all know they can't reflect flight yields, but outside of that, just appears DY is kicking BA's ass.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:44 am

NickolayAv wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
NickolayAv wrote:
HKG is definitely ready for more flights whether its from CX or another carrier.
JL is looking strong makes me wonder, especially with all the murmuring from the Haneda slots (a lot of people suggesting BOS), if NH is going to jump into the market
As for PVG, if HU does decide to drop it, does anyone think China Eastern might try the market, using either A350s or 787s? With a larger hub on the PVG side and DL partnership in BOS, I think that they might be able to work the market better than HU which completely lacks partners on both sides and relies on pure O/D.


How about a Taiwanese carrier?

Although service to Taiwan would be great, I don't think it would cover a lack of service to PVG if HU does end up cutting the flight.

In other news, unfortunately, Boutique Air is ending service to Massena as of March 31, 2019.
UA has stolen another EAS service from Boston.


I take it TPE is not much of a connector hub? On paper however, its location seems very good.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 24, 2019 5:01 am

NickolayAv wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
NickolayAv wrote:
HKG is definitely ready for more flights whether its from CX or another carrier.
JL is looking strong makes me wonder, especially with all the murmuring from the Haneda slots (a lot of people suggesting BOS), if NH is going to jump into the market
As for PVG, if HU does decide to drop it, does anyone think China Eastern might try the market, using either A350s or 787s? With a larger hub on the PVG side and DL partnership in BOS, I think that they might be able to work the market better than HU which completely lacks partners on both sides and relies on pure O/D.


How about a Taiwanese carrier?

Although service to Taiwan would be great, I don't think it would cover a lack of service to PVG if HU does end up cutting the flight.

In other news, unfortunately, Boutique Air is ending service to Massena as of March 31, 2019.
UA has stolen another EAS service from Boston.


I don't see HU cutting this route: They have 11 787's coming - so the planes need to go somewhere and they are slowly adding more China destinations at PVG. The 789 also has better economics than the 788 formerly used so they can take a hit on Load factor (75% YTD Jan-Aug 2018 - If they ran 788 it would have been >95%). If they did drop it would be all out fight to grab the 4 weekly Tier 1 frequencies for CAN/PEK/PVG-USA. Who knows what CAAC would do in this situation. Heck, they could allow Juneyao Airlines with 787's on order to have the 4 frequencies.

I don't think its fair to use the word "stolen" too when BOS loses service - sounds like a certain poster in another city's thread or the US3's whining about ME3. The airline industry is a business.
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Sun Feb 24, 2019 5:52 pm

From the OAG Thread
*4B BOS-MSS APR 0>3[0] MAY 0>0.2[0]
9K BOS-PVC MAR 3>1.6[3] APR 3>2[3]
DL BOS-SLC SEP 3>1.9[1.8]
DL BOS-TPA SEP 3>1.8[1.7]
KE BOS-ICN APR 0>0.5[0] MAY 0>0.7[0] JUN 0>0.7[0] JUL 0>0.7[0] AUG 0>0.7[0] SEP 0>0.7[0] OCT 0>0.6[0] NOV 0>0.5[0] (just in case we got worried)
UA BOS-EWR SEP 11>12[10] OCT 11>12[10] NOV 11>12[11] (shocker)
UP BOS-NAS MAY 0.3>0[0] (I don't even remember this one)

and this doesn't include this nutmeg that appears to have gone under the radar from airline routes.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -sep-2019/
DL running 6x daily on Republic E175's starting September. 4 of those slots are coming from service reductions to CVG, DTW and LGA (2)
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Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:26 pm

Did Sichuan give up on BOS even though it got the OK to start it?
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Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:30 pm

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Also - read my post above for more thoughts - I will repeat one thing: long term this route could be at risk when the UA/CM/AV JV begins.


When is the JV slated to begin?
 
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Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:42 pm

Were the Reagan flights announced in the Chicago, Newark etc... expansion announced a few weeks back?
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Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:57 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
adamh8297 wrote:
Also - read my post above for more thoughts - I will repeat one thing: long term this route could be at risk when the UA/CM/AV JV begins.


When is the JV slated to begin?



CM hopes for 2020. Depends on government approvals.

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Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:17 pm

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Were the Reagan flights announced in the Chicago, Newark etc... expansion announced a few weeks back?


Yes in an effort to compete for business contracts in the Boston area.
 
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Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:16 am

BOS & ORH - Domestic Analysis - Nov 2018

Link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1eJs9_ ... uEEOwapoBd

Report - How it works.

Due to the large number of combinations of airlines/routes, i've tried to narrow down things a little to break it up a bit. So here goes...

Data shown:
Flights, Seats, Pax, Avg Seats per Flight % Seats % Pax and Load %
(note for % Seats and % Pax), the calculation is within its block

Example:
BOS-AUS, there are 3 carriers on the route, B6, DL and WN, so for their % Seats counts, it's 32.69% for B6, 34.21% for DL, 33.10% for WN, which adds up to 100% of the seats on the route.
As AUS is the only route in the Texas category, the BOS-AUS total is 100% of seats in that category, if you look at Houston (HOU and IAH), then 73% of seats go to IAH and 27% to HOU), Texas is then part of the bigger category of the Southwest, so you are up against Dallas and Houston, so it's 15% of the seats to the overall region. It will make more sense as you read it.

Texas BOS-AUS B6 31 4,662 4,253 150 32.69% 33.12%
DL 31 4,879 4,190 157 34.21% 32.63%
WN 31 4,721 4,398 152 33.10% 34.25%

BOS-AUS Total 93 14,262 12,841 153 100.00% 100.00%
Texas Total 93 14,262 12,841 153 15.16% 15.35%
Grand Total 582 94,053 83,678 162 100.00% 100.00%


Tab Information

I've regionalized the data into 6 regions, plus Worcester (ORH) separately,
Tab 1: Summary, high level summary by region for month, YTD along with the same by aircraft type
Tab 2: Regional Summary by airline, month and YTD, along with the same by aircraft type
Tab 3: Worcester - month and YTD information, not included in Tabs 1 & 2 above
Tabs 4-9: Totals by region, 3 blocks: block 1 (route by airline), block 2 (route by aircraft and summary), block 3 (airlines with route breakdown)
Mid-Atlantic (Virginia,DC and the Carolinas)
Midwest (Ohio, Chicago, all the way up to Minnesota)
Northeast (PA, NJ/NY and New England)
South (FL, GA over to Louisiana)
Southwest (TX)
West (Rocky Mountains and West)

After that i've also added summaries for the mainline airlines, in the case of DL/AA etc, their regional subs are NOT included, I may add those separately next month as it is almost impossible to perfectly align the data.

So Enjoy, if i have time, i might do some analysis for everyone, but for now the file will have to do it.
That said. ORH appears to be doing a bit better.


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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:49 am

NickolayAv wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
NickolayAv wrote:
HKG is definitely ready for more flights whether its from CX or another carrier.
JL is looking strong makes me wonder, especially with all the murmuring from the Haneda slots (a lot of people suggesting BOS), if NH is going to jump into the market
As for PVG, if HU does decide to drop it, does anyone think China Eastern might try the market, using either A350s or 787s? With a larger hub on the PVG side and DL partnership in BOS, I think that they might be able to work the market better than HU which completely lacks partners on both sides and relies on pure O/D.


How about a Taiwanese carrier?

Although service to Taiwan would be great, I don't think it would cover a lack of service to PVG if HU does end up cutting the flight.

In other news, unfortunately, Boutique Air is ending service to Massena as of March 31, 2019.
UA has stolen another EAS service from Boston.


Going through Taiwan to make a connection in China is a bad idea and Flying through China to make connections outside of China is also a bad idea. TPE would cut into HKG, NRT, and the new route to ICN. It would not have much impact on PVG and PEK.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 26, 2019 2:13 am

Here's Table 6 Q32018 Data

Top 10 Unserved from BOS in PDEW

SAT - 182
ABQ - 142
SDF - 136
MEM - 114
OMA - 110
GRR - 104
MSN - 102 (technically served during the quarter due to EPIC software retreat)
TUS - 86
OKC -85
RNO- 84

Top 10 gains in PDEW for markets over 50 PDEW

MSP - 280 - No surprise
LAX - 233 (all airports so BUR launch helped too)
TPA - 150
SEA - 134
PHL - 130
ATL - 123
SFO - 107
PBI - 98
PIT - 98
DEN - 89

Top 10 losses in PDEW for markets over 50 PDEW

MSY - 42
WAS - 40
MKE - 38
LAS - 35
RIC - 10
STL - 9
CMH -6
TUL - 6
CLT - 5
CLE - 4

Top 10 gains in % for markets over 50 PDEW

MSP - 33.0
JAX - 26.2
PBI - 26.0
CVG - 25.6
DSM - 22.1
PIT - 20.1
AUS - 19.4
ORF - 18.8
TPA - 16.7
SEA - 15.0

Top 10 losses in % for markets over 50 PDEW

MKE - 11.6
MSY - 10.3
TUL - 10.3
GEG - 6.6
BOI - 5.4
ILM - 4.9
LAS - 4.4
OKC - 3.8
DAY - 3.4
OMA - 3.1
Airlines flown: A3, AA, AC, AF, AM, BA, B6, CA, CO, CX, DL, EA, EL, IB, LH, MI, MQ, NH, NW, NZ, OU, PE, QF, S4, SQ, TP, UA, US, VS, WE, WN

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Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:02 pm

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LH - FRA - 4th (19) 90.78% behind, JFK, EWR and SEA
LH - MUC -1st (10) with 92.94%, 2nd JFK, 3rd EWR

Wasn't it last Summer when LH cut capacity at BOS compared to previous years?
It's not that difficult to have 90% LF when you go from a 744 to an A333, or something like that.
 
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Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:22 pm

airbazar wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
LH - FRA - 4th (19) 90.78% behind, JFK, EWR and SEA
LH - MUC -1st (10) with 92.94%, 2nd JFK, 3rd EWR

Wasn't it last Summer when LH cut capacity at BOS compared to previous years?
It's not that difficult to have 90% LF when you go from a 744 to an A333, or something like that.


I thought it was a 744 instead of a 748. Can’t imagine that would be the same percentage difference between those two versus a 744 and an A333.

Update: Looks like it was a sole 748 most days in August. Still, way less than the double daily (748 + 744/A333) that I remember from 2015.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:50 pm

Wonder if GRU could go daily if BOG gets the chop?
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Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:02 pm

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Wonder if GRU could go daily if BOG gets the chop?


GRU is not the problem for BOG - PTY is!!!!
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Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:19 pm

BOS-SAL flights are badly timed IMHO. Leave BOS at 3 PM and arrive 7:30 PM?? Either the connection time is too short, or forces an overnight. And even for a simple O-D the timing could be improved. Now, you are basically losing half a day in Boston, if not more. Same story on the way back.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:36 pm

33lspotter wrote:
airbazar wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
LH - FRA - 4th (19) 90.78% behind, JFK, EWR and SEA
LH - MUC -1st (10) with 92.94%, 2nd JFK, 3rd EWR

Wasn't it last Summer when LH cut capacity at BOS compared to previous years?
It's not that difficult to have 90% LF when you go from a 744 to an A333, or something like that.


I thought it was a 744 instead of a 748. Can’t imagine that would be the same percentage difference between those two versus a 744 and an A333.

Update: Looks like it was a sole 748 most days in August. Still, way less than the double daily (748 + 744/A333) that I remember from 2015.


The last few summers LH has been running 748 and A330 to FRA, and A359 or A346 to MUC. During this winter season they switched the FRA route to A346, during this season it unexpectedly switched to 744, apparently for the rest of the season (end of march) at that point it switches to 748. Also at the end of this season we lose our A359 to muc. With the summer season seeing A346 service instead.

Interestingly the 744 is technically an increase in seat count with LH
Seat count by aircraft
744: 371 seats
748: 364 seats
A346: 297 seats
A350: 293 seats
A330: 255 or 221
(A359,A343/A346,A332,A319/320/321,A220-100)(B788,B772,B762,B752,B744/B748,B732/B737/B738,B717)(E190,E145)(CRJ100/200, Dash 8-200)(MD-83)
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:15 pm

jworks158 wrote:
33lspotter wrote:
airbazar wrote:
Wasn't it last Summer when LH cut capacity at BOS compared to previous years?
It's not that difficult to have 90% LF when you go from a 744 to an A333, or something like that.


I thought it was a 744 instead of a 748. Can’t imagine that would be the same percentage difference between those two versus a 744 and an A333.

Update: Looks like it was a sole 748 most days in August. Still, way less than the double daily (748 + 744/A333) that I remember from 2015.


The last few summers LH has been running 748 and A330 to FRA, and A359 or A346 to MUC. During this winter season they switched the FRA route to A346, during this season it unexpectedly switched to 744, apparently for the rest of the season (end of march) at that point it switches to 748. Also at the end of this season we lose our A359 to muc. With the summer season seeing A346 service instead.

Interestingly the 744 is technically an increase in seat count with LH
Seat count by aircraft
744: 371 seats
748: 364 seats
A346: 297 seats
A350: 293 seats
A330: 255 or 221


I'd think that re-introducing the A346 on BOS-MUC is a bit of an upgrade, not only capacity wise, but premium wise as it brings a F cabin back to the route. Must be demand for that in summer.
 
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Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:40 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
jworks158 wrote:
33lspotter wrote:

I thought it was a 744 instead of a 748. Can’t imagine that would be the same percentage difference between those two versus a 744 and an A333.

Update: Looks like it was a sole 748 most days in August. Still, way less than the double daily (748 + 744/A333) that I remember from 2015.


The last few summers LH has been running 748 and A330 to FRA, and A359 or A346 to MUC. During this winter season they switched the FRA route to A346, during this season it unexpectedly switched to 744, apparently for the rest of the season (end of march) at that point it switches to 748. Also at the end of this season we lose our A359 to muc. With the summer season seeing A346 service instead.

Interestingly the 744 is technically an increase in seat count with LH
Seat count by aircraft
744: 371 seats
748: 364 seats
A346: 297 seats
A350: 293 seats
A330: 255 or 221


I'd think that re-introducing the A346 on BOS-MUC is a bit of an upgrade, not only capacity wise, but premium wise as it brings a F cabin back to the route. Must be demand for that in summer.


Yes in terms of premium product, but passenger experience wise its a downgrade.

For example the A359 has:
Lower Cabin Altitude
Humidity
Better seats
Upgraded IFE
Larger windows
Quieter ride
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Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:55 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
I'd think that re-introducing the A346 on BOS-MUC is a bit of an upgrade, not only capacity wise, but premium wise as it brings a F cabin back to the route. Must be demand for that in summer.

I just came back from MUC on LH yesterday. The outbound flight last week was on the A346 and the return yesterday on the A359. My first flight on an A359 :)
I have to say that the A346 is a better ride in just about every aspect. It's quieter, and smoother although the smoother part could have more to do with the weather. The Y seats are supposed to be the same i think (they look the same), but I found the A346 seats a bit more comfortable. I'm going to miss those 4-holers when they're gone.
The A346 is also an upgrade in the sense that it has a huge premium cabin and F class. It's easy to forget how big that plane really is. The outbound flight was a last minute sub for the regular A359 which has more Y seats than the A346. LH was offering $800 cash per seat to travel a day later. WOW! That's more than what we paid for the tickets so we jumped on it but in the end they didn't take us up on it :(

jworks158 wrote:

Yes in terms of premium product, but passenger experience wise its a downgrade.

For example the A359 has:
Lower Cabin Altitude
Humidity
Better seats
Upgraded IFE
Larger windows
Quieter ride

Having just flown on both of them within a week I have to disagree with this about 90%.
The IFE equipment is slightly better but hardly significant. The content was pretty much the same. iI really enjoyed the outside cameras on the A359 :)
Everything else isn't significant enough to be noticeable to the passenger and the seats are actually less comfortable. They are smaller so I kept sliding forward. I did not find the A359 to be quieter than the A346. On both planes I had an interior aisle seat right behind the wing.
Here's an interesting article on the humidity and cabin altitude:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... te-369425/

A bit off topic but for comparison, I did notice the cabin humidity and altitude difference on VS's 789 but I found the 3-3-3 cabin on the 789 to feel a lot more cramped than LH's A359 or A346. To me the A346 is the best ride in the sky of all the planes that i have flown. I have not flown on an A380 or 77W.
 
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Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:22 am

airbazar wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
I'd think that re-introducing the A346 on BOS-MUC is a bit of an upgrade, not only capacity wise, but premium wise as it brings a F cabin back to the route. Must be demand for that in summer.

I just came back from MUC on LH yesterday. The outbound flight last week was on the A346 and the return yesterday on the A359. My first flight on an A359 :)
I have to say that the A346 is a better ride in just about every aspect. It's quieter, and smoother although the smoother part could have more to do with the weather. The Y seats are supposed to be the same i think (they look the same), but I found the A346 seats a bit more comfortable. I'm going to miss those 4-holers when they're gone.
The A346 is also an upgrade in the sense that it has a huge premium cabin and F class. It's easy to forget how big that plane really is. The outbound flight was a last minute sub for the regular A359 which has more Y seats than the A346. LH was offering $800 cash per seat to travel a day later. WOW! That's more than what we paid for the tickets so we jumped on it but in the end they didn't take us up on it :(

jworks158 wrote:

Yes in terms of premium product, but passenger experience wise its a downgrade.

For example the A359 has:
Lower Cabin Altitude
Humidity
Better seats
Upgraded IFE
Larger windows
Quieter ride

Having just flown on both of them within a week I have to disagree with this about 90%.
The IFE equipment is slightly better but hardly significant. The content was pretty much the same. iI really enjoyed the outside cameras on the A359 :)
Everything else isn't significant enough to be noticeable to the passenger and the seats are actually less comfortable. They are smaller so I kept sliding forward. I did not find the A359 to be quieter than the A346. On both planes I had an interior aisle seat right behind the wing.
Here's an interesting article on the humidity and cabin altitude:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... te-369425/

A bit off topic but for comparison, I did notice the cabin humidity and altitude difference on VS's 789 but I found the 3-3-3 cabin on the 789 to feel a lot more cramped than LH's A359 or A346. To me the A346 is the best ride in the sky of all the planes that i have flown. I have not flown on an A380 or 77W.


Can't complain about a 2x4x2 config vs 3x3x3 either on the A346.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:43 pm

1) Could the recent B6 and DL adds in Q3 push BOS over IAH?

2) viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1416689
New thread on AV restructuring - nothing about BOS good or bad was posted initially but the airline is getting rid of planes(E-190 and ATR props) and changing their A320 orders. GUA is being made into focus city with JFK/MCO as routes.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:04 am

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1) Could the recent B6 and DL adds in Q3 push BOS over IAH?

2) viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1416689
New thread on AV restructuring - nothing about BOS good or bad was posted initially but the airline is getting rid of planes(E-190 and ATR props) and changing their A320 orders. GUA is being made into focus city with JFK/MCO as routes.


2.9m pax is a big gap to close, however I don't see IAH adding routes like hot cakes, although their numbers will improve if the oil market turns north. I think IAH has the advantage for a couple of years yet, but when the new E gates come on line, DL and B6 top out etc. I think it's going to be extraordinarily close and lets face it, despite their public comments about 150 and 200 departures a day respectively (which B6 re-iterated today), the math says there's still more room, couple that with in the case of B6, the switch to 220's from 190's and should DL decide to convert some of the regional flying to mainline, that pax count can still continue to climb.

Let's also remember, all of these
3/31 - KL to AMS
3/31- DY to FCO
4/1 - VS to LHR (morning trip)
4/12- KE to ICN
5/2 DY to MAD
5/23 - DL to EDI (seasonal)
5/23 - DL to LIS (seasonal)
EK380 - 6/1 to 9/30 and 12/1 to 12/31
6/22 - RAM to CMN

this is even before the expanded E even breaks ground. B6 have 2 new gates coming, Terminal B will have 2 when WN flip from A, which has allowed F9 to show up in limited quantities. UA and AA will fly bigger aircraft to their hubs. Massport will continue to see if they can utilize E at quieter times of the day, because it's just unused real estate at that point.

Assuming the bubble doesn't burst, which is always a risk of course, the march forward continues.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:02 pm

BOS Jan-2019 nos. are out. BOS forward march continues compared to Jan-2018. First month in the year so won't give too much specifics at this time :)

Jan-19 Jan-18 Difference
Domestic Charter Passenger 1902 1437 32.36%
Domestic Commuter Passenger 137,321 114,467 19.97%
Domestic Jet Passenger 2,043,633 1,985,710 2.92%
Total Domestic Passengers 2,182,856 2,101,614 3.87%

International
Bermuda/Bahamas/Caribbean 98,719 92,990 6.16%
Canada 57,396 62,568 -8.27%
Central America 36,390 21,564 68.75%
Europe 220,683 198,407 11.23%
Middle East 52,850 47,572 11.09%
South America 11,635 3,791 206.91%
Trans-Pacific 43,863 41,547 5.57%
Total International passengers 521,536 468,439 11.33%

General Aviation 5,824 6,208 -6.19%
Total Airport pax 2,710,216 2,576,261 5.20%
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:07 pm

iyerhari wrote:
BOS Jan-2019 nos. are out. BOS forward march continues compared to Jan-2018. First month in the year so won't give too much specifics at this time :)

Jan-19 Jan-18 Difference
Domestic Charter Passenger 1902 1437 32.36%
Domestic Commuter Passenger 137,321 114,467 19.97%
Domestic Jet Passenger 2,043,633 1,985,710 2.92%
Total Domestic Passengers 2,182,856 2,101,614 3.87%

International
Bermuda/Bahamas/Caribbean 98,719 92,990 6.16%
Canada 57,396 62,568 -8.27%
Central America 36,390 21,564 68.75%
Europe 220,683 198,407 11.23%
Middle East 52,850 47,572 11.09%
South America 11,635 3,791 206.91%
Trans-Pacific 43,863 41,547 5.57%
Total International passengers 521,536 468,439 11.33%

General Aviation 5,824 6,208 -6.19%
Total Airport pax 2,710,216 2,576,261 5.20%


This is a little bit of a false positive, because 17 was actually down from 16, but still for a January, a record by about 100k pax, so no arguing there. I also think International is the first time above 500K in January, the one that is interesting to me is Canada which seems to be sliding back a bit after it's epic march early last year and with no increase in Middle East flights this winter, 5,000 extra pax will be welcome.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:54 pm

VS4ever wrote:
This is a little bit of a false positive, because 17 was actually down from 16, but still for a January, a record by about 100k pax, so no arguing there. I also think International is the first time above 500K in January, the one that is interesting to me is Canada which seems to be sliding back a bit after it's epic march early last year and with no increase in Middle East flights this winter, 5,000 extra pax will be welcome.

Although there is no increase in flights to the Middle East capacity was added with LY using 777 instead of 767, and QR using 777 instead of 359. Definitely nice to see the market continue to grow.
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Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:43 pm

I know its all still speculation and a different thread exists. But I think we might finally be about to see B6 announce their TATL plans.

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Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:35 pm

pitbosflyer wrote:
I know its all still speculation and a different thread exists. But I think we might finally be about to see B6 announce their TATL plans.

Jetblue “Save the Date” All Hands - April 10
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It is possible although I'd expect an announcement like that to be made externally to the mass media, possibly at a shareholders meeting not some internal employee gathering. The date is right for an announcement tho. April 10 would give them a full year to prepare and sell tickets for a Spring 2020 launch. They are receiving 13 A321neo's this year and 15 more in 2020 and they have the option to swap them for the LR which as proven by Primera is not really a necessity for the UK or Ireland.
 
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Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:22 pm

An article by Seth Miller is out discussing the ways JetBlue will work on operational improvements in boston it's definitely a good read. https://paxex.aero/2019/03/jetblue-oper ... paign=2353
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:09 pm

DL BOS-MCI going up to 3 daily starting in September with CRJ-900's.

A typical week appears Sun = 2x Mon-Fri=5x Sat= 1x

They are also going only 1 daily for Holiday Breaks (Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years). I was very surprised about the day before Thanksgiving being only one daily - must not be a big VFR market.
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:25 pm

With the "imminent" announcement by JetBlue (on April 10) of Europe service (most likely), my feeling is that BOS has been and will be for a while the most exciting aviation market in the USA. :cloudnine:
Who knew, a decade ago, that Boston would attract so many new airliners and being able to fly non-stop to five continents (everywhere except Australia and Antarctica).
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:36 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
With the "imminent" announcement by JetBlue (on April 10) of Europe service (most likely), my feeling is that BOS has been and will be for a while the most exciting aviation market in the USA. :cloudnine:
Who knew, a decade ago, that Boston would attract so many new airliners and being able to fly non-stop to five continents (everywhere except Australia and Antarctica).


It’s certainly is, quite impressive and let’s not forget, we aren’t done yet. There’s still growth to come and that’s before the expansion of E in the mix along with the extra gates elsewhere. It will slow of course until Massport decide at a macro level what to do, but they are going for 50m a year based on current work. Which will be in 5-6 years at present rate.

It’s fun to be a part of this time in BOS’s history for sure.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:48 pm

adamh8297 wrote:
DL BOS-MCI going up to 3 daily starting in September with CRJ-900's.

A typical week appears Sun = 2x Mon-Fri=5x Sat= 1x

They are also going only 1 daily for Holiday Breaks (Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years). I was very surprised about the day before Thanksgiving being only one daily - must not be a big VFR market.


Quite surprised with this increase. I feel like DL and WN both on this route make for some pretty poor LFs (not the whole story but still worth mentioning).
 
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Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:40 pm

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adamh8297 wrote:
DL BOS-MCI going up to 3 daily starting in September with CRJ-900's.

A typical week appears Sun = 2x Mon-Fri=5x Sat= 1x

They are also going only 1 daily for Holiday Breaks (Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years). I was very surprised about the day before Thanksgiving being only one daily - must not be a big VFR market.


Quite surprised with this increase. I feel like DL and WN both on this route make for some pretty poor LFs (not the whole story but still worth mentioning).

yep, I can verify it's a terribly low yielding market at the moment.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:20 am

I’ve noticed that LH (with the 748 & 744) and AF (with the 772) have both slightly increased capacity well before one would expect that to happen. Winter 2019 seems, in many respects, to be shaping up quite well.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 11:38 pm

Anyone interested in seeing all 3 a380 gates in use by a380s simultaneously?

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