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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu May 30, 2019 1:54 am

FGITD wrote:
B752OS wrote:
Angela Merkel is in Boston currently. Any ideas as to what kind of plane she flies? Anyone snag any shots of it?



It's the German government A340. Didn't get a picture but I think it's still at north cargo.

Other distinguished guests of the afternoon include:

AF a380
TAP a330neo
UA 787-10, and a 772

And seemingly half the Virgin Atlantic flights headed to the US stopped by Boston

May not have been intentional, but a pair of a380s side by side at terminal E was a sight to see


Do you have pictures of the side by side A380s? Also looking for photos of how the bussing opps are working...

Picture Boston was able to get some shots https://twitter.com/pictureboston/status/1133869491253891072,
And Just Planes got video of the A330 neo landinghttps://twitter.com/justplanes/status/1133862994255986692
As of 7:10pm here is the list of all of the diversions between BOS and IAD (quite long) BOS got 9 diversions, all of this according to jettip.net https://twitter.com/JetTipNet/status/1133874102652100609
(A359,A343/A346,A332,A319/320/321,A220-100)(B788,B772,B762,B752,B744/B748,B732/B737/B738,B717)(E190,E145)(CRJ100/200, Dash 8-200)(MD-83)
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu May 30, 2019 1:56 am

B6BOSfan wrote:
NickolayAv wrote:
VS4ever wrote:

Pre-check for me is more about MCO than BOS, Clear isn't really going to make things a whole faster anyway. My renewal is up at the end of the year, but I am more likely to get Global Entry if I move options.

Although it is a bit of a hassle, I would highly recommend considering getting NEXUS at the US-Canada border, instead. It comes with TSA Pre-Check, Global Entry, and expedited entry on the US-Canada border. It costs $50 for 5 years. I will definitely be extending mine once my 5 years end. From personal experience, Pre-Check is not very useful in BOS but, is a literal life-saver at some other airports, ORD, IAH from personal experiences. However, Global Entry is amazing at BOS. If you arrive during the European rush during the evening in the summer, it can save you up to an hour or two of standing in lines (worst days). I frequently deboard near the end and leave Immigrations and customs before my bags have arrived at the carousel.


It comes with all that AND is cheaper that just TSA PreCheck!? Damn! Will be doing this when I cross at Niagara Falls this summer!

Search it up, and research how to get it (some forms required before coming in for an interview (only available at certain centers)), but overall I would definitely recommend it.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu May 30, 2019 4:24 am

jworks158 wrote:
FGITD wrote:
B752OS wrote:
Angela Merkel is in Boston currently. Any ideas as to what kind of plane she flies? Anyone snag any shots of it?



Do you have pictures of the side by side A380s? Also looking for photos of how the bussing opps are working...



Unfortunately, no photos of the 380s. Or bussing.

Was really simple. UA and TAP were out on 15R, massport drove the buses right out to the airstairs on UA, and through the use of numerous airport ops and airline folks, corralled them onto the buses and to terminal E.

AF was the only international diversion I saw that got a gate. In all likelihood due to how much more fuel the 380 takes.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu May 30, 2019 3:10 pm

BOS April-2019 nos. are out. As always Logan continues to march forward.

April 2019 total pax: 3,647,276
April 2018 total pax: 3,508,607
MTM AAGR: 3.95%

YTD total pax 2019: 12,531,398
YTD total pax 2018: 11,887,401
YTD AAGR: 5.4%

Apr-19 Apr-18 Difference
Domestic Charter Passenger 874 1888 -53.71%
Domestic Commuter Passenger 230,212 175,384 31.26%
Domestic Jet Passenger 2,699,361 2,709,177 -0.36%
Total Domestic Passengers 2,930,447 2,886,449 1.52%

International
Bermuda/Bahamas/Caribbean 133,587 115,651 15.51%
Canada 84,260 85,746 -1.73%
Central America 39,752 23,539 68.88%
Europe 338,523 292,792 15.62%
Middle East 53,293 48,661 9.52%
South America 9,187 3,449 166.37%
Trans-Pacific 48,557 43,162 12.50%
Total International passengers 707,159 613,000 15.36%

General Aviation 9,670 9,158 5.59%
Total Airport pax 3,647,276 3,508,607 3.95%

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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu May 30, 2019 3:53 pm

NickolayAv wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
B6BOSfan wrote:

Take two for CLEAR at Logan Airport. See if they take-off this time.
https://www.wcvb.com/article/new-servic ... n/27622594

My TSA PreCheck experience at Terminal C is always faster than at Terminal A. Why would I want to pay this again?


Pre-check for me is more about MCO than BOS, Clear isn't really going to make things a whole faster anyway. My renewal is up at the end of the year, but I am more likely to get Global Entry if I move options.

Although it is a bit of a hassle, I would highly recommend considering getting NEXUS at the US-Canada border, instead. It comes with TSA Pre-Check, Global Entry, and expedited entry on the US-Canada border. It costs $50 for 5 years. I will definitely be extending mine once my 5 years end. From personal experience, Pre-Check is not very useful in BOS but, is a literal life-saver at some other airports, ORD, IAH from personal experiences. However, Global Entry is amazing at BOS. If you arrive during the European rush during the evening in the summer, it can save you up to an hour or two of standing in lines (worst days). I frequently deboard near the end and leave Immigrations and customs before my bags have arrived at the carousel.


100% agree. I just need to get myself to drive up to the border, but for just $50 over 5 years its a no brainer.

FGITD wrote:
B752OS wrote:
Angela Merkel is in Boston currently. Any ideas as to what kind of plane she flies? Anyone snag any shots of it?



It's the German government A340. Didn't get a picture but I think it's still at north cargo.

Other distinguished guests of the afternoon include:

AF a380
TAP a330neo
UA 787-10, and a 772

And seemingly half the Virgin Atlantic flights headed to the US stopped by Boston

May not have been intentional, but a pair of a380s side by side at terminal E was a sight to see


I saw the German Government Airbus, though it looked like an A330. It was hard to get a close look so I suspect I am wrong, but was just confused in the moment why it would be an A330.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu May 30, 2019 6:36 pm

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It can get bad at Logan at times, nowhere near the insane times MCO hits though. Example: The regular security line at Terminal C at Logan Airport last Friday before Memorial Day weekend went all the way through the normal area, past the JetBlue check-in kiosks, all the way to the Burger King at the other end of the terminal. Longest line I've ever seen. TSA PreCheck took all of 3 minutes.

On the other hand, I've had DEN completely shut-down PreCheck lanes, but keep CLEAR access open. Don't like that place!


When I flew on Thursday the 16th, the regular security line at C was also wrapped around back to Jerry Remy's at least. This was in the AM, too (my flight was 7 AM to SEA). Precheck was ten minutes from entering the queue to out the metal detector, tops (the line was probably halfway through the rope queue for precheck). Imagine how bad this would be if they didn't have the centralized checkpoint.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu May 30, 2019 10:29 pm

B752OS wrote:
Angela Merkel is in Boston currently. Any ideas as to what kind of plane she flies? Anyone snag any shots of it?


Picture Boston just got one 29 minutes ago as she departed! https://twitter.com/pictureboston/status/1134222755040301056
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri May 31, 2019 12:19 am

iyerhari wrote:
BOS April-2019 nos. are out. As always Logan continues to march forward.

April 2019 total pax: 3,647,276
April 2018 total pax: 3,508,607
MTM AAGR: 3.95%

YTD total pax 2019: 12,531,398
YTD total pax 2018: 11,887,401
YTD AAGR: 5.4%

Apr-19 Apr-18 Difference
Domestic Charter Passenger 874 1888 -53.71%
Domestic Commuter Passenger 230,212 175,384 31.26%
Domestic Jet Passenger 2,699,361 2,709,177 -0.36%
Total Domestic Passengers 2,930,447 2,886,449 1.52%

International
Bermuda/Bahamas/Caribbean 133,587 115,651 15.51%
Canada 84,260 85,746 -1.73%
Central America 39,752 23,539 68.88%
Europe 338,523 292,792 15.62%
Middle East 53,293 48,661 9.52%
South America 9,187 3,449 166.37%
Trans-Pacific 48,557 43,162 12.50%
Total International passengers 707,159 613,000 15.36%

General Aviation 9,670 9,158 5.59%
Total Airport pax 3,647,276 3,508,607 3.95%

Enjoy!


Thanks for posting the numbers! Glad to see Logan trucking ahead!

Strong international growth is back at Logan, and it will bump up even higher for May/June and the rest of the year due to full month and increased frequency of KLM, Norwegian, Korean, DL flights to LIS, EDI, increased capacity to DUB, and increased capacity to LHR, and RAM to CMN- I think #’s will get close to or exceed 20% for international growth- numbers we saw during the banner 2016- I hold out that by the most bullish estimate, we could come close or exceed that 8.5% growth of 2016.

Can anyone shed light on the decrease of domestic jet service/low domestic growth for the month? We’ve had aggressive growth and upticks by B6 and DL, as well as the new flight to HNL by HA, so where is the drop coming from?? AA? UA? WN?.... I expect these numbers to really leg up for May due to brand new F9 service, full month of new HA service, adds/upgauges by B6, DL growth, and NK to RDU.

Despite the YTD growth of ~5.5%... I remain bullish and expect a 6-8% YOY growth number for 2019 due to new international adds, brand new domestic service by F9 and NK and the large adds by B6 and DL (especially their impending fall adds- PHL DL service will almost double and B6 will add 4 additional flights to DCA, amongst expanding in a multitude of other markets for both carriers). Despite decreases by AA (pax # decreases may actually wash out due to equip upgauges), AV, WS, and WN I still think we will see year-end numbers come in around 44 million or higher.

What do the rest of you think?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri May 31, 2019 2:42 am

EADSYABSOB73857 wrote:
iyerhari wrote:
BOS April-2019 nos. are out. As always Logan continues to march forward.

April 2019 total pax: 3,647,276
April 2018 total pax: 3,508,607
MTM AAGR: 3.95%

YTD total pax 2019: 12,531,398
YTD total pax 2018: 11,887,401
YTD AAGR: 5.4%

Apr-19 Apr-18 Difference
Domestic Charter Passenger 874 1888 -53.71%
Domestic Commuter Passenger 230,212 175,384 31.26%
Domestic Jet Passenger 2,699,361 2,709,177 -0.36%
Total Domestic Passengers 2,930,447 2,886,449 1.52%

International
Bermuda/Bahamas/Caribbean 133,587 115,651 15.51%
Canada 84,260 85,746 -1.73%
Central America 39,752 23,539 68.88%
Europe 338,523 292,792 15.62%
Middle East 53,293 48,661 9.52%
South America 9,187 3,449 166.37%
Trans-Pacific 48,557 43,162 12.50%
Total International passengers 707,159 613,000 15.36%

General Aviation 9,670 9,158 5.59%
Total Airport pax 3,647,276 3,508,607 3.95%

Enjoy!


Thanks for posting the numbers! Glad to see Logan trucking ahead!

Strong international growth is back at Logan, and it will bump up even higher for May/June and the rest of the year due to full month and increased frequency of KLM, Norwegian, Korean, DL flights to LIS, EDI, increased capacity to DUB, and increased capacity to LHR, and RAM to CMN- I think #’s will get close to or exceed 20% for international growth- numbers we saw during the banner 2016- I hold out that by the most bullish estimate, we could come close or exceed that 8.5% growth of 2016.

Can anyone shed light on the decrease of domestic jet service/low domestic growth for the month? We’ve had aggressive growth and upticks by B6 and DL, as well as the new flight to HNL by HA, so where is the drop coming from?? AA? UA? WN?.... I expect these numbers to really leg up for May due to brand new F9 service, full month of new HA service, adds/upgauges by B6, DL growth, and NK to RDU.

Despite the YTD growth of ~5.5%... I remain bullish and expect a 6-8% YOY growth number for 2019 due to new international adds, brand new domestic service by F9 and NK and the large adds by B6 and DL (especially their impending fall adds- PHL DL service will almost double and B6 will add 4 additional flights to DCA, amongst expanding in a multitude of other markets for both carriers). Despite decreases by AA (pax # decreases may actually wash out due to equip upgauges), AV, WS, and WN I still think we will see year-end numbers come in around 44 million or higher.

What do the rest of you think?


Wow, this lot is all over the freaking place, plenty to unpack. Along with the fact that my wife and i contributed 4 to that massive Caribbean number with a few others, but i digress.

The Jet passenger number is definitely curious, either somebody had a horrible Easter Period or they've been up to some reclassing tricks to move some down to the commuter section (it's happened before, but not for a long time. It really doesn't make a whole lot of sense apart from the fact that the weather up here wasn't great in April and they might have put people off, but otherwise... it's just plain wierd.

Comments below:

Bermuda/Bahamas/Caribbean 133,587 115,651 15.51% - April is popular season for this region, and the bounceback from 18 continues, but these are impressive numbers for sure with B6 leading the way, but DL does keep adding in routes, so I see this trend continuing.
Canada 84,260 85,746 -1.73% - The Westjet effect is reversing, and thus the numbers are lagging behind, frustrating when pretty much everything else seems to have few limits (at least at this point, but it is what it is)

Central America 39,752 23,539 68.88% - another huge number but will sadly drop back in May once the Avianca routes cancel
Europe 338,523 292,792 15.62% - clearly the new service (DY, KL) has had an impact as 15% is really solid in this market, I suspect it also had something to do with the late Easter.
Middle East 53,293 48,661 9.52% - nice to see these numbers continue, especially as this should have been impacted by the EK move to 6 weekly because of the runway works at DXB
South America 9,187 3,449 166.37% - calm before the storm as we will be back to one route.
Trans-Pacific 48,557 43,162 12.50% - KE starting it's 5 weekly will be responsible for much of this growth as HU isn't doing a whole lot and JL/CX are fairly tapped out on capacity
Total International passengers 707,159 613,000 15.36%

All in all a great set of results, I do agree that 8% is bullish, however given the backdrop of the new international flights, certainly the way is up, you also forgot that the whale is coming from EK from June to September and December, that will definitely get more butts on seats in the summer and provide some additional lift in December. October will essentially see the B6 vs DL who can blink first challenge cage match with all the new service being added, and as you state F9 and HA adding into the mix means the fun is only going to continue. especially if Massport continue their trend of trying to ultilze E when and if they can. I will say it's interesting that B6, although they are slated to get 30 gates and preferential treatment of E1, they are utilizing up to E4 for apprivals and E1-E3 for departures (C5-C7), which means they are already at higher levels than they were before.

I've noticed that Massport are very conservative in their forecasts for the coming years and while I fully expect a slowing of growth, either through capacity constraints or the economy, I think the numbers will be higher than Massport predict. 2020 won't see a lot of international growth, with the E works going on, but once those extra stands come online, I am sure we will see some moving and additional service.

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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri May 31, 2019 12:18 pm

NickolayAv wrote:
B6BOSfan wrote:
NickolayAv wrote:
Although it is a bit of a hassle, I would highly recommend considering getting NEXUS at the US-Canada border, instead. It comes with TSA Pre-Check, Global Entry, and expedited entry on the US-Canada border. It costs $50 for 5 years. I will definitely be extending mine once my 5 years end. From personal experience, Pre-Check is not very useful in BOS but, is a literal life-saver at some other airports, ORD, IAH from personal experiences. However, Global Entry is amazing at BOS. If you arrive during the European rush during the evening in the summer, it can save you up to an hour or two of standing in lines (worst days). I frequently deboard near the end and leave Immigrations and customs before my bags have arrived at the carousel.


It comes with all that AND is cheaper that just TSA PreCheck!? Damn! Will be doing this when I cross at Niagara Falls this summer!

Search it up, and research how to get it (some forms required before coming in for an interview (only available at certain centers)), but overall I would definitely recommend it.


Good information on these topics in the Trusted Travelers forum on FlyerTalk: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trusted-travelers-732/
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri May 31, 2019 1:52 pm

The AT BOS-CMN increase was a day switch for the six weeks discussed earlier. It is now back to 3x weekly just different days.
Airlines flown: A3, AA, AC, AF, AM, BA, B6, CA, CO, CX, DL, EA, EL, IB, LH, MI, MQ, NH, NW, NZ, OU, PE, QF, S4, SQ, TP, UA, US, VS, WE, WN

2019: CX BOS-HKG, WE HKG-HKT, CA HKT-PEK-EWR, B6 EWR-BOS
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri May 31, 2019 2:39 pm

Terminal B further modifications continue. I now see Terminal board linking the AC gates B1-3 lit and I believe it should get connected to the main terminal anytime soon. This will make Terminal B finally contiguous across all the terminal gates. Airport exit is a complete mess and this I am saying at 11:30 pm EST yesterday. All thanks to Terminal C. I also think that work for making the Rideshare changes at Central Parking is happening - i saw some construction crews yesterday and was thinking they are working for that.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri May 31, 2019 11:05 pm

DOT Table 6 for Q42018 came out mid-week. Here's the top 10 unserved markets from BOS for the quarter with PDEWs. I will do gains and losses later on.

Usual #1 but a stronger showing from #2 (up over 10% YOY too)

SAT - 192
SDF - 130
MEM -118
ABQ -116
OMA - 92
MSN - 89
TUS - 87
OKC -85
GRR -85
BHM -84
Airlines flown: A3, AA, AC, AF, AM, BA, B6, CA, CO, CX, DL, EA, EL, IB, LH, MI, MQ, NH, NW, NZ, OU, PE, QF, S4, SQ, TP, UA, US, VS, WE, WN

2019: CX BOS-HKG, WE HKG-HKT, CA HKT-PEK-EWR, B6 EWR-BOS
 
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Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:54 pm

Here are the gains and losses for Q42018. Concerning the losses I'm wondering outside of MYR and MKE are the rest even statistically significant? Its almost worth focusing on just top 5 losses in the past couple of quarters. Also WN trimming MKE and CMH resulted in higher fares: average one-ways $193 to $206 for CMH and $180 to $200 for MKE).


Top 10 Gains in %

ROC - 32.6
MSP - 31.7
SMF - 28.9
BHM - 26.5
BNA - 22.6
RNO - 21.1
GSO - 18.4
CHS - 17.0
SAT - 16.9
JAX - 14.8

Top 10 Gains in PDEW
MSP - 212
LAX - 206
BNA - 145
SFO - 82
SEA - 80
TPA - 76
CHI - 67
LAS - 63
WAS - 59
PHX - 56


Top 10 Losses in %
MYR - 13.6
MKE - 9.7
HOU - 3.4
IND - 3.3
TUS - 2.3
CLE - 1.72
RIC - 1.4
CMH - 0.9
DSM - 0.9
BUF - 0.05 Pretty much even

Top 10 Losses in PDEW

MKE - 26
HOU - 25
MYR - 15
IND - 12
CLE - 7
RIC - 5
CMH -4
TUS -2
DSM -0.6
BUF - 0.16
Airlines flown: A3, AA, AC, AF, AM, BA, B6, CA, CO, CX, DL, EA, EL, IB, LH, MI, MQ, NH, NW, NZ, OU, PE, QF, S4, SQ, TP, UA, US, VS, WE, WN

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Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:39 pm

@pictureboston just posted some pics of the EK a380 on the ground. https://twitter.com/pictureboston/statu ... 9548732416
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:08 pm

dvincent wrote:
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It can get bad at Logan at times, nowhere near the insane times MCO hits though. Example: The regular security line at Terminal C at Logan Airport last Friday before Memorial Day weekend went all the way through the normal area, past the JetBlue check-in kiosks, all the way to the Burger King at the other end of the terminal. Longest line I've ever seen. TSA PreCheck took all of 3 minutes.

On the other hand, I've had DEN completely shut-down PreCheck lanes, but keep CLEAR access open. Don't like that place!


When I flew on Thursday the 16th, the regular security line at C was also wrapped around back to Jerry Remy's at least. This was in the AM, too (my flight was 7 AM to SEA). Precheck was ten minutes from entering the queue to out the metal detector, tops (the line was probably halfway through the rope queue for precheck). Imagine how bad this would be if they didn't have the centralized checkpoint.


Oddly enough for me, the security lines got worse at C after they consolidated to the central checkpoint. Before I never had to wait behind more than 7 or so people. Grant I probably just got lucky for the first few years of flying B6.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:48 pm

WN to finally launch BOS-FLL but its Saturday only and seasonal for now:
https://www.boston.com/travel/travel/20 ... lauderdale

BOS-FLL 07:10-10:50
FLL-BOS 18:35-21:45

It doesn't connect to some LatAm services like BZE/SJO unfortunately. I think a 5:30-6:15 would have been better but O+D can easily fill this regardless.
Airlines flown: A3, AA, AC, AF, AM, BA, B6, CA, CO, CX, DL, EA, EL, IB, LH, MI, MQ, NH, NW, NZ, OU, PE, QF, S4, SQ, TP, UA, US, VS, WE, WN

2019: CX BOS-HKG, WE HKG-HKT, CA HKT-PEK-EWR, B6 EWR-BOS
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:03 pm

adamh8297 wrote:
WN to finally launch BOS-FLL but its Saturday only and seasonal for now:
https://www.boston.com/travel/travel/20 ... lauderdale

BOS-FLL 07:10-10:50
FLL-BOS 18:35-21:45

It doesn't connect to some LatAm services like BZE/SJO unfortunately. I think a 5:30-6:15 would have been better but O+D can easily fill this regardless.

The times are what they are because it’s coming at the expense of an existing business market flight that will no longer operate on Saturdays
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Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:27 pm

FLL is scheduled to be down a runway for the remainder of the summer (through October, if I remember correctly). Maybe WN will broaden the schedule once the construction is done?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:50 am

April's Board meeting deck is out on the web at this link

http://www.massport.com/media/3195/apri ... ermark.pdf

honestly not a huge amount to discuss here except for the confirmation of the doubling of the TNC fee as it now applies to inbound and outbound trips unlike before. The artists impressions of the new areas look nice, but I believe it when i see it and i only see the A & B ones, which makes me wonder about the C& E versions.

Anyway, take a look at your leisure.
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:14 pm

 
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:04 pm

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awesome, but yet the naysayer traditionalists will still say it's not a hub, even when presented with this evidence.

Good for DL, it's nice to see them utilize Terminal A to its fullest.
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:18 pm

Aside from the tie-up with KE, why is DL reluctant to fly Pacific routes out of Boston?
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:02 pm

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Aside from the tie-up with KE, why is DL reluctant to fly Pacific routes out of Boston?


No 787s - A350 tends to carry more pax
JL HU CX arriving before BOS expansion
DTW/SEA better positioned to flow transpac connections
No Open Skies with China hence no JV with MU where they might be able to pull of BOS-PVG with an A350 or 772-LR - maybe even A339
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:37 am

Ned Russell posted this on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/e_russell/status/11 ... 71009?s=21

Boston-NYC will be 19x day, across JFK, LaGuardia and Newark

Boston-Washington National will be 14x day

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Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:01 am

tlecam wrote:
Ned Russell posted this on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/e_russell/status/11 ... 71009?s=21

Boston-NYC will be 19x day, across JFK, LaGuardia and Newark

Boston-Washington National will be 14x day

Boston-Philadelphia will be ~8x day, every 90min. #JumpStart19


Woah the gloves are off. DL and B6 are really starting to fight it out.
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:18 am

pitbosflyer wrote:
tlecam wrote:
Ned Russell posted this on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/e_russell/status/11 ... 71009?s=21

Boston-NYC will be 19x day, across JFK, LaGuardia and Newark

Boston-Washington National will be 14x day

Boston-Philadelphia will be ~8x day, every 90min. #JumpStart19


Woah the gloves are off. DL and B6 are really starting to fight it out.
tlecam wrote:
Ned Russell posted this on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/e_russell/status/11 ... 71009?s=21

Boston-NYC will be 19x day, across JFK, LaGuardia and Newark

Boston-Washington National will be 14x day

Boston-Philadelphia will be ~8x day, every 90min. #JumpStart19


Yep, although this was already announced a couple of months ago. B6 also added frequencies to BNA, SAV, CHS, RDU, AUS, ORD, CLE, DTW and a few more cities (almost all served by DL).

Things are certainly heating up, and will become more so once B6 launches London in 2021 (although I have my doubts this will happen if a no-Brexit deal tanks the British economy....)

Much like a JFK, I expect both carriers to coexist nicely.
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:50 am

tlecam wrote:
Ned Russell posted this on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/e_russell/status/11 ... 71009?s=21

Boston-NYC will be 19x day, across JFK, LaGuardia and Newark

Boston-Washington National will be 14x day

Boston-Philadelphia will be ~8x day, every 90min. #JumpStart19

How does AA respond to this? DCA and PHL are uber important to AA and I don't expect them to not respond here. NYC is different since DL hubs on both ends but I suspect that they wont give up LGA-BOS without a fight. JFK seems like a lost cause though.
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:52 am

EK77WNH wrote:
Aside from the tie-up with KE, why is DL reluctant to fly Pacific routes out of Boston?

My guess would be lack of appropriate equipment. I don't know if their A332's have the legs and it might be a challenge to rotate a 777/A350 thru Boston. Personally I think a route to India from BOS would be better than a Pacific route considering the lack of non-stop service in the market.

On a separate topic, I was at Logan today and thoroughly enjoyed seeing the BA A380, EK A380, and LH 748 all at the gates at the same time. It was also my first time seeing the LATAM bird at Boston.
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:08 pm

VS4ever wrote:
pitbosflyer wrote:


awesome, but yet the naysayer traditionalists will still say it's not a hub, even when presented with this evidence.

Good for DL, it's nice to see them utilize Terminal A to its fullest.

Ditto - kudos to DL on making BOS as their hub. B6 call BOS as their focus city although IMO, it is a solid hub. Semantics - who knows. A is also one of the best terminals IMO to enter and exit after E. It's surely going to be a B6 vs. DL show and honestly both will be fine. AA has got a nice terminal.

On another note, I happened to see the contractor manager on Sunday and asked when Terminal B1-3 will be connected to the rest of the terminals. The timeline is approx. 1.5 weeks. for having a single contiguous Terminal B. I asked him when Terminal B to E will be connected - he cannot share the details yet. Maybe next time i will have something more to share from the guys who actually manage and do the work.

apodino wrote:
How does AA respond to this? DCA and PHL are uber important to AA and I don't expect them to not respond here. NYC is different since DL hubs on both ends but I suspect that they wont give up LGA-BOS without a fight. JFK seems like a lost cause though.


AA will be fine. AA will have the lead thanks to PHL and DCA being their hub. They get the benefit for onward connections plus O&D. What more would you expect them to do anyways ? The flights are at the max anyways in terms of frequency and the shuttle flights to DCA and LGA do well IMO. JFK is a lost cause.
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:53 pm

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EK77WNH wrote:
Aside from the tie-up with KE, why is DL reluctant to fly Pacific routes out of Boston?

My guess would be lack of appropriate equipment. I don't know if their A332's have the legs and it might be a challenge to rotate a 777/A350 thru Boston. Personally I think a route to India from BOS would be better than a Pacific route considering the lack of non-stop service in the market.

On a separate topic, I was at Logan today and thoroughly enjoyed seeing the BA A380, EK A380, and LH 748 all at the gates at the same time. It was also my first time seeing the LATAM bird at Boston.


Picture???? I feel like this must look fantastic. Maybe semi reminiscent of the days where that whole section would be 744's?
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:54 pm

iyerhari wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
pitbosflyer wrote:


awesome, but yet the naysayer traditionalists will still say it's not a hub, even when presented with this evidence.

Good for DL, it's nice to see them utilize Terminal A to its fullest.

Ditto - kudos to DL on making BOS as their hub. B6 call BOS as their focus city although IMO, it is a solid hub. Semantics - who knows. A is also one of the best terminals IMO to enter and exit after E. It's surely going to be a B6 vs. DL show and honestly both will be fine. AA has got a nice terminal.

On another note, I happened to see the contractor manager on Sunday and asked when Terminal B1-3 will be connected to the rest of the terminals. The timeline is approx. 1.5 weeks. for having a single contiguous Terminal B. I asked him when Terminal B to E will be connected - he cannot share the details yet. Maybe next time i will have something more to share from the guys who actually manage and do the work.


Based on the capital program timeline, the B to C connector and thus E connector is not slated to be done until June 2022. Cost is around 200m when all said and done, with 120m of that to be spent Jul 21 to Jun 22.
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:37 pm

I missed the DL session, the jumpstart conference is becoming the Farnborough of air service announcements. My guess is "hub" is really more of a marketing term to combat B6 rather than a coordinated flight schedule hub in the traditional sense.
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:49 pm

VS4ever wrote:
pitbosflyer wrote:


awesome, but yet the naysayer traditionalists will still say it's not a hub, even when presented with this evidence.

Good for DL, it's nice to see them utilize Terminal A to its fullest.


Sitting at BOS right now awaiting my flight, flying UA775 to ORD- flight is about 75% full... security was an absolute breeze this morning.

May this announcement finally put to rest all the speculation about whether DL considers BOS a hub, focus city or neither. Excited to see how B6 will respond- I’m sure we’ll see something come from them, especially since they are the largest carrier at BOS and in a heated duel with DL!

I’m surprised by the ‘focus city’ announcement by DL, and am a little skeptical as to the role that some of those cities will play in DL’s overall network, particularly SJC. We’ve seen full service carriers attempt to hub SJC with a lack of success (most recent TW/AA).. DL runs considerable ops up the road at SFO (which DL struggles with on BOS-SFO), not to mention DL western US hubs at LAX, SEA and SLC, so I’ll be interested to see DL’s strategy for SJC. Could BOS even support a DL BOS-SJC link with all the Bay Area competition and the struggles on BOS-SFO?

Now that DL has publicly recognized BOS as a hub, I believe DL will need to add a considerable amount of routes/frequency increases/upgauges beyond its current capacity/network in order for BOS to truly be characterized as a hub for one of the largest US airlines. Also, as DL further develops its international route offerings at BOS, it will need additional domestic markets/increased frequencies and upgauges to help support the network.

Could we see any of these added?:

Missing key business markets: BAL, CLT, DFW, IAH, DEN, PHX, SAN
Missing regional markets: MEM, SDF, MSN, GSP, SBN, STL, BHM, OMA
Other potential adds:
-SAT?? (Largest unserved market from BOS, although I believe this would be better served by WN or B6)
-PDX (I don’t know if this could support a daily flight, but PDX runs decent DL ops and BOS being a hub, maybe it would make sense to connect it, at least seasonally)
-BTV (I’ve read that BTV airport authority is trying to secure a direct flight to BOS- this would help feed BOS’ network well)
-BGR (Local New England market that would help feed DL’s BOS network- start on a 50 seater or a CRJ 700)
-ROC (Also recently read that ROC is competing for another link to BOS- the new B6 service is doing extraordinarily well and AA is surviving, adding DL would funnel additional pax to its BOS hub and perhaps push AA off the route)
-SYR (help BOS further develop its DL hub and push AA off the route)

International adds: LGW, KEF, BRU?, MXP, BCN

Upgauges/added frequency:
BNA- even with the recently added 4th daily, BNA continues to hold its own.. I think we’ll see an upgauge to mainline on at least 1 daily, especially with BNA becoming a focus city
IND- has performed very well, high load factors- I think DL will evaluate how the newly added 4th daily flight will do, but I think this is another candidate to eventually have one of the dailies upgauged to mainline
MKE- right now at 2x daily (morning and late day departure from MKE), add a 3rd flight- an early afternoon departure from MKE to allow for TATL connections in BOS
JAX- has performed strongly thus far, have to see how the newly added 3rd daily does- if continues to perform well, I think one of the flights could be upgauged to mainline
MCI- this flight has performed quite well in terms of loads, I’ve taken it a number of times and the flight has been 100% full... 3rd daily coming in Sep that will allow for TATL connections in BOS, but if it continues to do well I think upgauging one of the flights to a 717 is possible.
LAS- this has performed well ever since it was launched last OCT, I can’t believe they haven’t upgauged to a 739 yet from the -800.
SEA- I think there is a business case to upgauge to an aircraft with a D1 equipped cabin.. I think it would perform well and put pressure on B6’s yields (which DL seems keen on doing)
AUA- add frequencies (4x weekly or daily)- B6 runs as many as 3-4 daily in the high season.
SJU- biggest Caribbean market from BOS, surprised they aren’t on it... this would pressure B6

With the recently added frequencies/new markets, next spring DL should be around 158 flights.. I feel like DL and Massport have a plan for squeezing additional capacity out of terminal A- I think we could see it get as high as 175-180 flights. While DL will have full access to 20 gates in A, the gate used by WS only has 3x daily to YYZ, so DL actually has access to 20.75 gates in terminal A.

I know there’s a lot here to unpack, but I’m excited to see what others think about the future of DL’s ops at BOS- there have to be more adds coming!
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:11 pm

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NickolayAv wrote:
Although it is a bit of a hassle, I would highly recommend considering getting NEXUS at the US-Canada border, instead. It comes with TSA Pre-Check, Global Entry, and expedited entry on the US-Canada border. It costs $50 for 5 years. I will definitely be extending mine once my 5 years end. From personal experience, Pre-Check is not very useful in BOS but, is a literal life-saver at some other airports, ORD, IAH from personal experiences. However, Global Entry is amazing at BOS. If you arrive during the European rush during the evening in the summer, it can save you up to an hour or two of standing in lines (worst days). I frequently deboard near the end and leave Immigrations and customs before my bags have arrived at the carousel.


It comes with all that AND is cheaper that just TSA PreCheck!? Damn! Will be doing this when I cross at Niagara Falls this summer!


NEXUS includes PreCheck, but not Global Entry, for $50. (You can have both NEXUS and GE, though.)
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:47 pm

dtremit wrote:
B6BOSfan wrote:
NickolayAv wrote:
Although it is a bit of a hassle, I would highly recommend considering getting NEXUS at the US-Canada border, instead. It comes with TSA Pre-Check, Global Entry, and expedited entry on the US-Canada border. It costs $50 for 5 years. I will definitely be extending mine once my 5 years end. From personal experience, Pre-Check is not very useful in BOS but, is a literal life-saver at some other airports, ORD, IAH from personal experiences. However, Global Entry is amazing at BOS. If you arrive during the European rush during the evening in the summer, it can save you up to an hour or two of standing in lines (worst days). I frequently deboard near the end and leave Immigrations and customs before my bags have arrived at the carousel.


It comes with all that AND is cheaper that just TSA PreCheck!? Damn! Will be doing this when I cross at Niagara Falls this summer!


NEXUS includes PreCheck, but not Global Entry, for $50. (You can have both NEXUS and GE, though.)


NEXUS does not 'include' GE, but it offers the use of Global Entry lanes/kiosks. It is basically the same thing, the cheapest way to get all of these services, with only the inconvenience of having to travel to a border for the interview.
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:08 pm

EADSYABSOB73857 wrote:
LAS- this has performed well ever since it was launched last OCT, I can’t believe they haven’t upgauged to a 739 yet from the -800.


LAS is already being upguaged to the 739 starting in October
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Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:12 pm

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On a separate topic, I was at Logan today and thoroughly enjoyed seeing the BA A380, EK A380, and LH 748 all at the gates at the same time. It was also my first time seeing the LATAM bird at Boston.


Picture???? I feel like this must look fantastic. Maybe semi reminiscent of the days where that whole section would be 744's?


Sorry no picture. My phone is crappy and there really is no good vantage point for terminal E pictures. I only saw the birds from the roadway and I wasn't about to stop the car in the travel lane to take a picture with my crappy phone LOL
And on that topic, does the BA A380 really stay at the gate for 6 hours? That seems like a really poor gate utilization for a terminal that so desperately needs gates.
 
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Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:22 pm

airbazar wrote:
jworks158 wrote:
On a separate topic, I was at Logan today and thoroughly enjoyed seeing the BA A380, EK A380, and LH 748 all at the gates at the same time. It was also my first time seeing the LATAM bird at Boston.


Picture???? I feel like this must look fantastic. Maybe semi reminiscent of the days where that whole section would be 744's?


Sorry no picture. My phone is crappy and there really is no good vantage point for terminal E pictures. I only saw the birds from the roadway and I wasn't about to stop the car in the travel lane to take a picture with my crappy phone LOL
And on that topic, does the BA A380 really stay at the gate for 6 hours? That seems like a really poor gate utilization for a terminal that so desperately needs gates.


Unfortunately all the best angles are from places passengers would either spend very limited time, or flat out off limits.

And yes, that BA 380 really does sit there all day. It actually simplifies things because everyone knows E12 is taken. Also simplifies is because almost all the BA flights go there, so they don't impact anyone else's operation.

A lot of delays that airline x takes is because they always follow airline y, who never leaves on time. With BA, A no one has that issue
 
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Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:49 pm

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A lot of delays that airline x takes is because they always follow airline y, who never leaves on time. With BA, A no one has that issue

True but one could also argue that if gate 12 wasn't occupied for 6 hours by an idle plane airline x could go to gate 12 if airline y is delayed departing :)
 
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Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:30 pm

airbazar wrote:
FGITD wrote:
A lot of delays that airline x takes is because they always follow airline y, who never leaves on time. With BA, A no one has that issue

True but one could also argue that if gate 12 wasn't occupied for 6 hours by an idle plane airline x could go to gate 12 if airline y is delayed departing :)


And you know that BA would just love that if the occupant was late. It’s also the gate for their club. With the influence that BA yield I doubt Massport would try it

And in other news the EK380 just flew overhead, beautiful sight, never gets old
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Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:23 pm

VS4ever wrote:
airbazar wrote:
FGITD wrote:
A lot of delays that airline x takes is because they always follow airline y, who never leaves on time. With BA, A no one has that issue

True but one could also argue that if gate 12 wasn't occupied for 6 hours by an idle plane airline x could go to gate 12 if airline y is delayed departing :)


And you know that BA would just love that if the occupant was late. It’s also the gate for their club. With the influence that BA yield I doubt Massport would try it

And in other news the EK380 just flew overhead, beautiful sight, never gets old


This is exactly it. On a daily basis, 10, 11, both have extra time built in specifically for that reason. Although E10 is now LX/LH pretty much all day with 5 flights.

You pay for a lounge, you get some favor for that gate. Same thing is likely to happen in the new expansion even if the gates are directly attached to lounges.
 
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Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:43 am

Sitting here in Terminal C and noticing both AV42 and AV20 touching down on 04L as diversions from JFK. Looks like we can’t quite get rid of Avianca no matter how hard we try!!
 
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Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:31 am

Any further update on Air Canada's gates being connected to the rest of terminal B, getting rid of one of Logan's worst gate areas?
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:41 am

ritoitalia wrote:
Any further update on Air Canada's gates being connected to the rest of terminal B, getting rid of one of Logan's worst gate areas?


So funny you just posted about this as I was just coming to post about the same. Just flew out to YYZ this afternoon and was completely taken aback at how awful the experience was. There were 3 flights departing at the same time to YHZ, YUL & YYZ and that little room was a zoo. On top of that the area is under construction and they’ve ripped out all the ceiling tiles leaving pipes, wires and gross ceiling dust exposed. The security line snaked down the hallway towards terminal A. Had 1 guy checking passports/tickets at TSA and he took 1-2 mins per person. Awful, awful, awful experience.
 
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Sun Jun 09, 2019 1:01 am

I did BOS-YUL-PVG-YYZ-BOS, arriving back home last night. I agree that the AC Setup at Logan is as ‘third-world’ as you can get. A carrier that used to fly A320s to YYZ when there was competition to worry about, now can’t be bothered with Logan when there isn’t.
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Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:31 am

So how was the Stanley cup transported to the airport and was it placed in the cargo hold or in the cabin? ;) :D
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Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:33 pm

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So how was the Stanley cup transported to the airport and was it placed in the cargo hold or in the cabin? ;) :D

I think Boston has a dedicated lane just for championship trophies, both in and out of the city. It's justified given the amount of championships our teams participate in :D
 
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Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:47 pm

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So how was the Stanley cup transported to the airport and was it placed in the cargo hold or in the cabin? ;) :D


Nice game for the Blues last night - we did not deserve to win based upon Game 7.
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Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:57 pm

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stl07 wrote:
So how was the Stanley cup transported to the airport and was it placed in the cargo hold or in the cabin? ;) :D


Nice game for the Blues last night - we did not deserve to win based upon Game 7.


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