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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:30 pm

Get ready to see a UA 77W coming in on 22L or 22R very shortly. It's comign from HKG and is diverted due to the landing gear incident at EWR today. I think its gonna be our first time seeing a UA 77W over here!
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:48 pm

acavpics wrote:
Get ready to see a UA 77W coming in on 22L or 22R very shortly. It's comign from HKG and is diverted due to the landing gear incident at EWR today. I think its gonna be our first time seeing a UA 77W over here!



Not quite. When UA was running the 777s to SFO they subbed in the 77w a few times.

There is however about to be a line of UA aircraft in BOS
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:00 pm

FGITD wrote:
acavpics wrote:
Get ready to see a UA 77W coming in on 22L or 22R very shortly. It's comign from HKG and is diverted due to the landing gear incident at EWR today. I think its gonna be our first time seeing a UA 77W over here!



Not quite. When UA was running the 777s to SFO they subbed in the 77w a few times.

There is however about to be a line of UA aircraft in BOS


What gate does it use at terminal B? That is one big plane for that space.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:01 pm

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Any further update on Air Canada's gates being connected to the rest of terminal B, getting rid of one of Logan's worst gate areas?


So funny you just posted about this as I was just coming to post about the same. Just flew out to YYZ this afternoon and was completely taken aback at how awful the experience was. There were 3 flights departing at the same time to YHZ, YUL & YYZ and that little room was a zoo. On top of that the area is under construction and they’ve ripped out all the ceiling tiles leaving pipes, wires and gross ceiling dust exposed. The security line snaked down the hallway towards terminal A. Had 1 guy checking passports/tickets at TSA and he took 1-2 mins per person. Awful, awful, awful experience.

AC Terminal B gates 1-3 is connected to the main Terminal B. Terminal B security is now a beeline thanks to AA and AC security screening happening the same place. The old AC security gates are gone. I just quickly glanced yesterday and i think clrd4t8koff feedback is gradually improving. I think work is still going on and unfortunately not very easy for travelers - i am hoping the end result is much nicer.


This must be within only the last week that the AC B gates are connected to the main terminal and the old AC security gates are gone. When I flew out on June 8th they were not connected and the old security was still there.

Are you sure about what you’re saying iyerhari?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:45 pm

Not sure if this is related to the EWR diversions, but apparently the Sands 747SP is at Logan now. https://twitter.com/rachaelwebsterr/sta ... 14758?s=21
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:23 pm

rob2507 wrote:
Not sure if this is related to the EWR diversions, but apparently the Sands 747SP is at Logan now. https://twitter.com/rachaelwebsterr/sta ... 14758?s=21


I was lucky enough to catch her landing as my flight from Cancun was pulling into Terminal E! Quite the sight along with a few diverted UAL heavies parked up on 15R. Immigration was surprisingly very fast and smooth today despite a few international flights from Mexico and others arriving around the same time. The wait for a gate wasn't fast and smooth however and we were stationary for a good half hour! :(
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:55 pm

rob2507 wrote:
Not sure if this is related to the EWR diversions, but apparently the Sands 747SP is at Logan now. https://twitter.com/rachaelwebsterr/sta ... 14758?s=21


I think he came in a fair bit after the ‘all-clear’ had been sounded down at EWR. Probably a spy mission at the new Encore Boston :lol:
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:49 am

End of Year Report Card 2018 -

Data Source: BTS T-100 International Segment Report (All Carriers)
Data Files used for information located here:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1p_PuN ... bqjKZTjLHB - 17 vs 18 information
https://drive.google.com/open?id=158fLj ... eN10_RI6m1 - detail route information against other stations.

Below is my assessment of what's happening on the BOS routes, first part of which is Asia, I will be doing the others in the coming days, as we now have a year end position. I will do my review of the station comparisons once these are done. As ever, the data contained herein and the files is only as good as reported to US DOT, i only remove obvious things like diverts etc, and these are the numbers i get, Opinions here are my own and are designed to lead to constructive conversation as a result, otherwise.. enjoy Part 1 of 6 (well maybe 8 if i split Europe like i did last time).

Part 1 – Asia

First part of the 2018 Analysis is the Asia Region, please note T-100 does not log non-revenue pax and so LF’s maybe actually higher than indicated, but there is no way to know. Diverts (if known) are removed for the purposes of accurate recording of the regular routes.

Overall

Month: December 2018

T-100 logged 39,769 Pax vs 38,063 from 2017, for an average of 197 per flight up from 193 a year earlier by boosts in HKG and NRT routes (more on that in the route sections) for an overall growth of 4.5% in pax against a nominal 1.1% increase in seats and 2.5% increase in flights. Overall capacities were 79.1% up from 76.5% a year earlier. Inbound loads improved from 63.8% to 68.5%, Outbound loads from 88.1% to 89.6%. There was a mix in the routes in terms of performance. Market shares were CX – 32.9%, JL – 23.5% and HU – 43.5% because of their 2 routes.

Year

T-100 logged 522,133 Pax vs 491,673 from 2017 for an average of 208 per flight up from 205 the prior year with 110 additional flights during the period. Overall growth was 6.2% in pax against a 3.9% increase in seats and 4.6% in flights. Overall capacities were 82.4% up from 80.6% a year earlier. Inbound loads were 82.3% up from 79.6% and Outbound were 82.6% up from 81.6% in 2017.


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BOS-HKG (CX) – Grade - A

CX completed their build out of their daily rotation and have not had many issues putting butts on seats, yields, who knows, but that’s not what this report is about. Pax increases outpaced the seat increases by about 2% and when you have 550 seats a day to fill combined, that’s pretty darn good in my book, averaging nearly 90% capacity on every flight of every day means the market is absolutely there, the only question for 19 is what will happen when ICN begins…can they co-exist or is the new route going to pull some of the market away, we won’t know until later on in 2019 when the first reports come out for that period.




Month: December 2018

T-100 logged 13,101 Pax in 2018 vs 13,287 for 2017, for an average of 226 per flight. Now this is down by 2 flights (550 seats) from last year, BUT… only down by 186 pax as a result, and thus recorded an 82.1% load up from 80.5% a year earlier. The 226 per flight was actually up by 5 this year and that’s with daily in winter! It’s really a great route. Inbound was actually a whopping 3 pax higher despite 1 less flight for a 71.8% load, but good luck if you were trying to get a seat outbound with a 92.5% or 254 per flight daily… In December? No wonder I give this an A.. CX have set themselves up very well in this market.

Year

T-100 logged 169,950 Pax in 2018 vs 155,792 for 2017, for an average of 242 per flight up 3 per flight vs 2017 The increase in pax count was 9.1% YOY against a 6.8% increase in seats for an overall capacity of 88.2% vs 86.3% in 2017, so not only did they move to full daily, they added 14,000 pax with only 12,300 seats. Remarkable. Inbound managed 86.6% and 238 pax, 6 up from last year, while Outbound managed an 89.8% and 247 pax up 1 from last year.

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BOS-NRT (JL) – Grade: A

I was going to give JL an A-, but then I saw what they actually achieved, and actually it was quite impressive, this is an airline that in 2018 sent 2 less flights for the year with a reduction of 390 seats, but managed to put an additional 6,200 people on the rest, I get they are less densely populated than most (JL 789’s have 195 seats vs DY’s 344), but still, they are right sized for what they need and clearly the word is out that JL is a good place to spend your hard earned $$ or Yen. I think this route is just going to stay as is, the only thing they could really do is put a 777 on the route if they wanted the extra capacity, but I have a feeling they don’t and that’s ok, this route was the first Asia route with the BOS expansion and it’s here to stay unless something crazy happens.

Month: December 2018

T-100 logged 9,351 Pax in 2018 vs 8,493 for 2017, for an average of 151 per flight. But no increase in flights, let that sink in 858 more pax on essentially the same capacity. and as a result the loads increased to 77.3% load up from 70.6% a year earlier. The 151 per flight was actually up by 10% or 14 this year. Winter is a little tough for JL, but pulling these numbers in December on this route, must make their financials seem just a little healthier. Inbound was a great increase from 61.3% to 69% with 16 pax per flight increase. I bet they will cope with that when Outbound pulls in an 85.7% number over 80% last year. They don’t have scope to go too much higher, so they will either be happy with what they have, pull in some bigger equipment in the summer season (which we know isn’t happening) or potentially figure out if they can do more in 2020, my guess is they will sit with what they have, it’s not like they have a ton of big aircraft sitting around to start a 2x daily, nor does E have the space? 2021 after the expansion is done….then we’ll talk I think.

Year

T-100 logged 120,904 Pax in 2018 vs 114,662 for 2017, for an average of 166 per flight up 9 per flight vs 2017 The increase in pax count was 5.4% YOY against a flat count in seats for an overall capacity of 85.3% vs 80.7% in 2017, so no additional flights and 6,200 pax. Nice work. Inbound managed 85.4% and 166 pax, 8 up from last year, while Outbound managed an 85.2% and 166 pax up 10 from last year.

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BOS-PEK (HU) – Grade: B-

HU is in an interesting spot, on both routes, but in the case of PEK in a real kind of quandry. This year has seen a significant reversal in pax count, 8,500, however some of that is because they have dropped the capacity by 7.6%, there is a significant case on average for moving back to the 788 from the 789, but… here’s the issue they averaged 219 on the route across the year, and their 788’s only hold 213.. so do you leave folks behind or do you suffer with the 288 seat 789 and lower loads… as I said a quandry, 150k pax says this route is ok, but you have to wonder whether flying nearly 70 empty seats around is worth it….(per flight!), but then… you look at December’s number and it blows the theory somewhat out of the water..somewhat..

Month: December 2018

T-100 logged 9.655 Pax in 2018 vs 13,365 for 2017, for an average of 210 per flight (cue debate on 788 usage). There was a 32.8% decrease in capacity and a 27.6% decrease in pax, 3,710 less and as a result the loads actually increased from 75.5% to 81.1% last year they pulled in 216 per flight, but given the average seat count was 259, it means they were using the 788’s a lot more of the time than the prior year. pulling these numbers in December on this route is definitely fine and it looks like they have adjusted the route capacity to make it work, must make their financials seem just a little healthier, but this is starting to show the quandry noted above. Inbound was a great increase from 60.0% to 72.4% with 16 pax per flight increase (to 187, again cue 788 conversation) BUT! Outbound pulled in an 89.9% slightly down from last year, but a decrease in average from 260 to 233. Because of the higher numbers of 788’s plying the route. This is where the problem lies from them, the 788 is just a touch too small for this route, the 789 is too big.. where is goldilocks, the 3 bears and the just right porridge when you need them.

Year

T-100 logged 151,636 Pax in 2018 vs 160,136 for 2017, for an average of 219 per flight down 1 per flight vs 2017. The decrease in pax count was 5.4% YOY against a 7.6% reduction in seats for an overall capacity of 79.9% vs 77.9% in 2017, a reduction of 37 flights and 8,500 pax. Inbound managed 80.7% and 222 pax, 4 up from last year, while Outbound managed an 79.1% and 217 pax down 5 from last year


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BOS-PVG (HU) – Grade: B

Well if you think PEK is a quandry, try wrapping your grey cells around this one. .we have a route here that’s grown by 30% YOY, but still pulls in less pax than needed (on average) to run a 789, which they are doing, predominantly. I guess the fact that nearly 19,000 more pax plyed the route in 2018 is a very good thing, but this is right on the bubble, I can see why they go with the larger plane overall, because in the busy month’s its needed, but when your average for the year is 203, you have to think about using the smaller version a bit more. If they hadn’t have grown 30%, this would have been a C+. because it looks like they can do more tactically with the 789/788 mix on this route.

Month: December 2018

T-100 logged 7,662 Pax in 2018 vs 2,918 for 2017, for an average of 213 per flight (cue debate on 788 usage). There was a 195% increase in capacity and a 163% increase in pax, 4,744 more and as a result the loads actually decreased from 82.9% to 73.9% last year they pulled in 224 per flight, so dropped 11 per, but they used the 789 the whole time in 2018.. but this is also highlighting the quandry noted above. Inbound dropped significantly from 67.9% to 58.6%, but that’s with the backdrop of increasing from 3 flights of a 788 (this number seems very small when you compare to outbound) to 18 with a 789, butts on seats actually increase by an average of 24.. (which is why folks a % factor alone is not always the whole story. And here is why you use a 789 and suffer with the empty seats on the inbound leg Outbound pulled in an 89.2% up from 86.3% from last year, but an increase in average from 248 to 257. Way too much for a 788, I guess on this one I answered my own question… but that inbound number is horrible.

Year

T-100 logged 79,643 Pax in 2018 vs 61,083 for 2017, for an average of 203 per flight down 5 per flight vs 2017. So 18,000 more pax on more 27,000 seats for an overall capacity of 73% vs 74.7% in 2017, an increase of 100 flights too, 73% YOY is not impressive, but given the equipment log jam they are in, it’s about the best they are going to get.. Inbound managed 73.4% and 204 pax, down 4 from last year, while Outbound managed a palty 72.6% and 202 pax down 7 from last year
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:45 am

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Not sure if this is related to the EWR diversions, but apparently the Sands 747SP is at Logan now. https://twitter.com/rachaelwebsterr/sta ... 14758?s=21


Whenever the "Richest Person from Every State" lists come out, Adelson always comes up for Massachusetts on top of Nevada. I know he has a compound in, IIRC, Newton. Not that hard to assume even considering his reportedly poor health.

Back on topic: My wife and I are flying the late morning BOS-YYZ AC flight (AC7623) in about two weeks and given all the work in B how soon should we arrive for a 10:20 AM flight. Thanks!
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:35 am

Sands 747sp was still there today. Tried to get a decent picture challenging with the new layout of North cargo.

Also saw that KLM today was a 77w. Makes for a lot of seats to AMS from Boston in one day
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:15 am

B0pp0 wrote:
rob2507 wrote:
Not sure if this is related to the EWR diversions, but apparently the Sands 747SP is at Logan now. https://twitter.com/rachaelwebsterr/sta ... 14758?s=21


Whenever the "Richest Person from Every State" lists come out, Adelson always comes up for Massachusetts on top of Nevada. I know he has a compound in, IIRC, Newton. Not that hard to assume even considering his reportedly poor health.

Back on topic: My wife and I are flying the late morning BOS-YYZ AC flight (AC7623) in about two weeks and given all the work in B how soon should we arrive for a 10:20 AM flight. Thanks!


If you’re at the check-in desks by 8:45-9am you’ll be in good shape.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:55 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
B0pp0 wrote:
rob2507 wrote:
Not sure if this is related to the EWR diversions, but apparently the Sands 747SP is at Logan now. https://twitter.com/rachaelwebsterr/sta ... 14758?s=21

Back on topic: My wife and I are flying the late morning BOS-YYZ AC flight (AC7623) in about two weeks and given all the work in B how soon should we arrive for a 10:20 AM flight. Thanks!


If you’re at the check-in desks by 8:45-9am you’ll be in good shape.


Thanks! This is what I get for letting my wife book the trip. Not that it's bad, I get to log a new airline and plane type and the package she had included a four-star downtown hotel and UP Express fare so I can't complain!

Similarly, we're flying back on the late afternoon PD flight. Will Customs and Baggage Claim be a big mess in E when we land?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:21 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
iyerhari wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:

So funny you just posted about this as I was just coming to post about the same. Just flew out to YYZ this afternoon and was completely taken aback at how awful the experience was. There were 3 flights departing at the same time to YHZ, YUL & YYZ and that little room was a zoo. On top of that the area is under construction and they’ve ripped out all the ceiling tiles leaving pipes, wires and gross ceiling dust exposed. The security line snaked down the hallway towards terminal A. Had 1 guy checking passports/tickets at TSA and he took 1-2 mins per person. Awful, awful, awful experience.

AC Terminal B gates 1-3 is connected to the main Terminal B. Terminal B security is now a beeline thanks to AA and AC security screening happening the same place. The old AC security gates are gone. I just quickly glanced yesterday and i think clrd4t8koff feedback is gradually improving. I think work is still going on and unfortunately not very easy for travelers - i am hoping the end result is much nicer.


This must be within only the last week that the AC B gates are connected to the main terminal and the old AC security gates are gone. When I flew out on June 8th they were not connected and the old security was still there.

Are you sure about what you’re saying iyerhari?

Yes I am absolutely sure and I’m at Logan to take my flight to ORD. AC security gates are gone and everyone uses the newly constructed terminal security now. New security gates are under construction and it’s in the same location as the former LUS reservations counter. Based on the speed of construction, this should get ready by the end of the week. I believe the number of security screening stands should be almost equal to Terminal A.

I did not have the time to check the gate areas of AC as I ended up taking the early flight but will try to take a sneak preview on Friday when I return back home. I believe construction is going on to improve the road conditions approaching terminal B.
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:51 pm

The successful launch of the A321XLR and groundbreaking of the Terminal E expansion seem as though they'll dovetail nicely. I can see the XLRs descending like locusts at Logan, from not only B6 but other carriers for whom no suitable aircraft now exists. There are other long-and-thin BOS routes the A321XLR will be perfect for. By the time Terminal E is done, these new planes will start getting delivered. It also sets up scenarios of 'double-daily' runs where one widebody now is the norm. The possibility exists that AA will jump at the type, too, which brings them back into the fold for transatlantic service to/from Boston.
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Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:41 pm

EK77WNH wrote:
The successful launch of the A321XLR and groundbreaking of the Terminal E expansion seem as though they'll dovetail nicely. I can see the XLRs descending like locusts at Logan, from not only B6 but other carriers for whom no suitable aircraft now exists. There are other long-and-thin BOS routes the A321XLR will be perfect for. By the time Terminal E is done, these new planes will start getting delivered. It also sets up scenarios of 'double-daily' runs where one widebody now is the norm. The possibility exists that AA will jump at the type, too, which brings them back into the fold for transatlantic service to/from Boston.

I really have my doubts on AA at BOS. Their prime focus IMO would be to the hubs + remember there is going to be pressure from DL on most of their hubs going by the current round of DL expansion. AA has fishes to fry with their PHL and also JFK ops. There is too much competition at BOS for AA IMO.
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:41 pm

EK77WNH wrote:
The successful launch of the A321XLR and groundbreaking of the Terminal E expansion seem as though they'll dovetail nicely. I can see the XLRs descending like locusts at Logan, from not only B6 but other carriers for whom no suitable aircraft now exists. There are other long-and-thin BOS routes the A321XLR will be perfect for. By the time Terminal E is done, these new planes will start getting delivered. It also sets up scenarios of 'double-daily' runs where one widebody now is the norm. The possibility exists that AA will jump at the type, too, which brings them back into the fold for transatlantic service to/from Boston.


I think the days of AA transatlantic have long passed. They’re focused on PHL TATL, not BOS.
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:57 pm

It would certainly be a change in strategy from what AA is doing now. Which isn't to say that couldn't happen, but AA seems focused on their hubs. If they were going to launch TATL, why would they shut down all of their local northeast feeder routes?
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:51 pm

airbazar wrote:
FGITD wrote:
acavpics wrote:
Get ready to see a UA 77W coming in on 22L or 22R very shortly. It's comign from HKG and is diverted due to the landing gear incident at EWR today. I think its gonna be our first time seeing a UA 77W over here!



Not quite. When UA was running the 777s to SFO they subbed in the 77w a few times.

There is however about to be a line of UA aircraft in BOS


What gate does it use at terminal B? That is one big plane for that space.


B23 can fit the 77W. Also some of the gates over in the old LAA concourse can take them as well before adding the two new gates for WN.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:25 am

jsteeves3 wrote:
airbazar wrote:
FGITD wrote:


Not quite. When UA was running the 777s to SFO they subbed in the 77w a few times.

There is however about to be a line of UA aircraft in BOS


What gate does it use at terminal B? That is one big plane for that space.


B23 can fit the 77W. Also some of the gates over in the old LAA concourse can take them as well before adding the two new gates for WN.


That's the one. Right on the corner towards the old US Airways gates. It's a tighter fit, but it goes.

Apparently that 747sp was around to take Bob Kraft and some patriots players to Israel. Never would have guessed that, myself
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:47 am

FGITD wrote:
jsteeves3 wrote:
airbazar wrote:

What gate does it use at terminal B? That is one big plane for that space.


B23 can fit the 77W. Also some of the gates over in the old LAA concourse can take them as well before adding the two new gates for WN.


That's the one. Right on the corner towards the old US Airways gates. It's a tighter fit, but it goes.

Apparently that 747sp was around to take Bob Kraft and some patriots players to Israel. Never would have guessed that, myself


that's so wierd, it's not like they don't have a plane capable of making the trip... oh hang on....well why take your own plane when someone else's will do i guess.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:49 am

iyerhari wrote:
EK77WNH wrote:
The successful launch of the A321XLR and groundbreaking of the Terminal E expansion seem as though they'll dovetail nicely. I can see the XLRs descending like locusts at Logan, from not only B6 but other carriers for whom no suitable aircraft now exists. There are other long-and-thin BOS routes the A321XLR will be perfect for. By the time Terminal E is done, these new planes will start getting delivered. It also sets up scenarios of 'double-daily' runs where one widebody now is the norm. The possibility exists that AA will jump at the type, too, which brings them back into the fold for transatlantic service to/from Boston.

I really have my doubts on AA at BOS. Their prime focus IMO would be to the hubs + remember there is going to be pressure from DL on most of their hubs going by the current round of DL expansion. AA has fishes to fry with their PHL and also JFK ops. There is too much competition at BOS for AA IMO.


tlecam wrote:
It would certainly be a change in strategy from what AA is doing now. Which isn't to say that couldn't happen, but AA seems focused on their hubs. If they were going to launch TATL, why would they shut down all of their local northeast feeder routes?


Yes, I agree that this will be a major change of strategy for AA. However, I think they could do it because they will come to realize they could be making more money that way. In my opinion, the JV with BA is going to run its course for AA. The advantage/value of BA for AA is BA's network in Europe and Middle East. However, transiting at LHR is very expensive and the money that goes to LHR from US-based customers could be going directly into AA's pockets provided AA offers more destinations. With more capable aircraft like the XLR, AA can offer those destinations from BOS/JFK, while using the 787 from bigger hubs.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:21 am

B0pp0 wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
B0pp0 wrote:
Back on topic: My wife and I are flying the late morning BOS-YYZ AC flight (AC7623) in about two weeks and given all the work in B how soon should we arrive for a 10:20 AM flight. Thanks!


If you’re at the check-in desks by 8:45-9am you’ll be in good shape.


Thanks! This is what I get for letting my wife book the trip. Not that it's bad, I get to log a new airline and plane type and the package she had included a four-star downtown hotel and UP Express fare so I can't complain!

Similarly, we're flying back on the late afternoon PD flight. Will Customs and Baggage Claim be a big mess in E when we land?


I took the 6pm flight a couple weeks back on a Monday and it was fairly calm at terminal E. There was only the Azores airlines A340 flight next to us which has a variable arrival time depending on the day. I do know there are a couple other flights that arrive from Europe a little before so maybe we got lucky.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:28 am

kq747 wrote:
B0pp0 wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:

If you’re at the check-in desks by 8:45-9am you’ll be in good shape.


Thanks! This is what I get for letting my wife book the trip. Not that it's bad, I get to log a new airline and plane type and the package she had included a four-star downtown hotel and UP Express fare so I can't complain!

Similarly, we're flying back on the late afternoon PD flight. Will Customs and Baggage Claim be a big mess in E when we land?


I took the 6pm flight a couple weeks back on a Monday and it was fairly calm at terminal E. There was only the Azores airlines A340 flight next to us which has a variable arrival time depending on the day. I do know there are a couple other flights that arrive from Europe a little before so maybe we got lucky.


Was that a typo or did Azores Airlines get an a340? I'd think that'd be a bit too much plane for them.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:50 am

Jouhou wrote:
kq747 wrote:
B0pp0 wrote:

Thanks! This is what I get for letting my wife book the trip. Not that it's bad, I get to log a new airline and plane type and the package she had included a four-star downtown hotel and UP Express fare so I can't complain!

Similarly, we're flying back on the late afternoon PD flight. Will Customs and Baggage Claim be a big mess in E when we land?


I took the 6pm flight a couple weeks back on a Monday and it was fairly calm at terminal E. There was only the Azores airlines A340 flight next to us which has a variable arrival time depending on the day. I do know there are a couple other flights that arrive from Europe a little before so maybe we got lucky.


Was that a typo or did Azores Airlines get an a340? I'd think that'd be a bit too much plane for them.



They did fly an a330 in during the summer a few years ago. Strange plane, livery had a big whale on the side. The 340 is an all white lease.

I think it's FI that is also using a leased Euroatlantic 763.

And very soon, Royal Air Maroc is coming to town
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:57 am

FGITD wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
kq747 wrote:

I took the 6pm flight a couple weeks back on a Monday and it was fairly calm at terminal E. There was only the Azores airlines A340 flight next to us which has a variable arrival time depending on the day. I do know there are a couple other flights that arrive from Europe a little before so maybe we got lucky.


Was that a typo or did Azores Airlines get an a340? I'd think that'd be a bit too much plane for them.



They did fly an a330 in during the summer a few years ago. Strange plane, livery had a big whale on the side. The 340 is an all white lease.

I think it's FI that is also using a leased Euroatlantic 763.

And very soon, Royal Air Maroc is coming to town


Wow, PDL was already bursting at the seams when they were flying the a310. That little airport is not made for big planes carrying large amounts of international travellers.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:37 pm

Jouhou wrote:
kq747 wrote:
B0pp0 wrote:

Thanks! This is what I get for letting my wife book the trip. Not that it's bad, I get to log a new airline and plane type and the package she had included a four-star downtown hotel and UP Express fare so I can't complain!

Similarly, we're flying back on the late afternoon PD flight. Will Customs and Baggage Claim be a big mess in E when we land?


I took the 6pm flight a couple weeks back on a Monday and it was fairly calm at terminal E. There was only the Azores airlines A340 flight next to us which has a variable arrival time depending on the day. I do know there are a couple other flights that arrive from Europe a little before so maybe we got lucky.


Was that a typo or did Azores Airlines get an a340? I'd think that'd be a bit too much plane for them.


The flight from Lajes has been operated by a HiFly A340 (ex EK) recently
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:23 pm

kq747 wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
kq747 wrote:

I took the 6pm flight a couple weeks back on a Monday and it was fairly calm at terminal E. There was only the Azores airlines A340 flight next to us which has a variable arrival time depending on the day. I do know there are a couple other flights that arrive from Europe a little before so maybe we got lucky.


Was that a typo or did Azores Airlines get an a340? I'd think that'd be a bit too much plane for them.


The flight from Lajes has been operated by a HiFly A340 (ex EK) recently


That airport is even smaller!!! Wonder if they're expanding the airports.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:24 pm

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It would certainly be a change in strategy from what AA is doing now. Which isn't to say that couldn't happen, but AA seems focused on their hubs. If they were going to launch TATL, why would they shut down all of their local northeast feeder routes?

One reason is BOS is predominantly a O&D airport so feeding may not be that critical especially with a plane as small as an A321.
But I agree, that would be a big change of plans for AA albeit somewhat in line with IAG's TATL strategy. With LHR, MAD, DUB, SNN already covered by OW, all they're really missing is a BOS-CDG. Likewise, UA/*A are missing a BOS-LHR.

Jouhou wrote:
kq747 wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
Was that a typo or did Azores Airlines get an a340? I'd think that'd be a bit too much plane for them.

The flight from Lajes has been operated by a HiFly A340 (ex EK) recently

That airport is even smaller!!! Wonder if they're expanding the airports.

They're not expanding it. The terminal itself is tiny but it doesn't really see that much traffic. The flight from BOS (and YYZ) are the first arrival in their respective day, and the only international arrivals. So they literally have the airport all to themselves.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:29 pm

airbazar wrote:
tlecam wrote:
It would certainly be a change in strategy from what AA is doing now. Which isn't to say that couldn't happen, but AA seems focused on their hubs. If they were going to launch TATL, why would they shut down all of their local northeast feeder routes?

One reason is BOS is predominantly a O&D airport so feeding may not be that critical especially with a plane as small as an A321.
But I agree, that would be a big change of plans for AA albeit somewhat in line with IAG's TATL strategy. With LHR, MAD, DUB, SNN already covered by OW, all they're really missing is a BOS-CDG. Likewise, UA/*A are missing a BOS-LHR.
and let's remember they have already dropped CDG,, so would they bother to bring it back?
That feeling when you sit at the end of a runway, brakes are released and the raw power takes over. Now that is a thing of beauty and it never gets old.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:42 pm

VS4ever wrote:
airbazar wrote:
tlecam wrote:
It would certainly be a change in strategy from what AA is doing now. Which isn't to say that couldn't happen, but AA seems focused on their hubs. If they were going to launch TATL, why would they shut down all of their local northeast feeder routes?

One reason is BOS is predominantly a O&D airport so feeding may not be that critical especially with a plane as small as an A321.
But I agree, that would be a big change of plans for AA albeit somewhat in line with IAG's TATL strategy. With LHR, MAD, DUB, SNN already covered by OW, all they're really missing is a BOS-CDG. Likewise, UA/*A are missing a BOS-LHR.
and let's remember they have already dropped CDG,, so would they bother to bring it back?


Level could do BOS-CDG. Compete with DY.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:44 pm

I don't think AA re-enters BOS-TATL. It's just not their focus. But I do see the XLR as another potential game-changer for BOS.

Just as the 787 was the right plane to open up the TPAC market, I can see the XLR opening up BOS to secondary European markets. LH BOS-BER? DL or AZ BOS-MXP? DL seasonal BOS-VCE, BOS-ATH and/or BOS-NCE? The right plane for SK BOS-OSL? I think it could also be the right sized plane to open northern South America (could it make BOS-EZE?). And of course, it'll be the cornerstone to B6's entry to whatever European markets it decides to serve. Just like the 787, I see a big future for the XLR in BOS.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:47 pm

VS4ever wrote:
airbazar wrote:
tlecam wrote:
It would certainly be a change in strategy from what AA is doing now. Which isn't to say that couldn't happen, but AA seems focused on their hubs. If they were going to launch TATL, why would they shut down all of their local northeast feeder routes?

One reason is BOS is predominantly a O&D airport so feeding may not be that critical especially with a plane as small as an A321.
But I agree, that would be a big change of plans for AA albeit somewhat in line with IAG's TATL strategy. With LHR, MAD, DUB, SNN already covered by OW, all they're really missing is a BOS-CDG. Likewise, UA/*A are missing a BOS-LHR.
and let's remember they have already dropped CDG,, so would they bother to bring it back?



Aer Lingus is not part of OW. It's been a long rumor, but for save for a few exceptions you're not broadly earning miles and such with OW partners when you're flying between BOS-DUB/SNN
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:05 am

I'll be very curious to see the statistics, but I think BOS-CDG is shaping up to be interesting this summer.

DL has a 763 with 200+ seats, AF is running 2 772s at about 600 seats daily, not including the days where one (or both) are 77w, bringing the total seats up to possibly almost 800 seats, just on AF alone.

Add in the possible connections on the 3 daily AMS flights, and it certainly becomes a daunting task to break into that market for a new comer.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:35 pm

I would say that DL is truly invested in BOS is they buy the a321XLR. I know they have already committed but it would be the perfect plane for them given Terminal A's size and the market that they have to work with. They could use this plane to South America and Hawaii if they wanted to as well.
International Destinations DL May Serve With or Without a321XLR:
MXP
FCO
BOG
KEF
ATH
LGW (already announced)
BCN
MAD
VIE
BHX
VCE

This plane would not block any gates in Terminal A which could let them have more flights a day and be able to expand more without adding international flights on wide bodies. This plane is a game changer for all airlines. IB BOS-MAD/BCN would work if they wanted to add BCN and a second frequency on MAD. EI BOS-ORK? This plane has endless possibilities.

My only concern is that I don't think DL is really interested with this plane after refurbishing all the 757's. Sad considering what this plane could do for DL and BOS if they really want to become BOS's #1 airline.

Range from BOS:
http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=&R=4700nm%40 ... 0x360&PM=*
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:36 pm

Africa as well... maybe BOS-LOS/ACC?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:01 pm

ALG is also a very popular destination from Boston. So maybe they could make it seasonal?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:35 pm

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ALG is also a very popular destination from Boston. So maybe they could make it seasonal?


Isn't there no bilateral between the US and Algeria?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:08 pm

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And very soon, Royal Air Maroc is coming to town


Yup according to Flightradar the first flight is this saturday 6/22/19. It also appears they scheduled a 787-9 for the first flight, and 787-8 for subsequent flights.

https://twitter.com/theOrangetechie/sta ... 9037339648
(A359,A343/A346,A332,A319/320/321,A220-100)(B788,B772,B762,B752,B744/B748,B732/B737/B738,B717)(E190,E145)(CRJ100/200, Dash 8-200)(MD-83)
JB,UA(C5,EV,CHQ,AX),AA(EGF,ZW,AX,PT),DL(OH,YX),FL,WN,LH,BA,AF,AZ,IB,VX,CO
https://my.flightradar24.com/theorangetechie
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:21 pm

FGITD wrote:
I'll be very curious to see the statistics, but I think BOS-CDG is shaping up to be interesting this summer.

DL has a 763 with 200+ seats, AF is running 2 772s at about 600 seats daily, not including the days where one (or both) are 77w, bringing the total seats up to possibly almost 800 seats, just on AF alone.

Add in the possible connections on the 3 daily AMS flights, and it certainly becomes a daunting task to break into that market for a new comer.

Paris is a huge Summer market. CDG-BOS was the last operating AF 744, IIRC. This Summer in particular there's the WWC which draws a huge number of American fans too.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:29 am

Finally Pictures of Dual A380s at BOS!!!!!

https://twitter.com/WandrMe/status/1141501046998614016
Photos Taken by @WandrMe on the arriving BA203 772
(A359,A343/A346,A332,A319/320/321,A220-100)(B788,B772,B762,B752,B744/B748,B732/B737/B738,B717)(E190,E145)(CRJ100/200, Dash 8-200)(MD-83)
JB,UA(C5,EV,CHQ,AX),AA(EGF,ZW,AX,PT),DL(OH,YX),FL,WN,LH,BA,AF,AZ,IB,VX,CO
https://my.flightradar24.com/theorangetechie
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jun 20, 2019 7:47 pm

With B6 getting the A321XLR - could that force DL to expand Transatlantic flights in BOS even further?
Airlines flown: A3, AA, AC, AF, AM, BA, B6, CA, CO, CX, DL, EA, EL, IB, LH, MI, MQ, NH, NW, NZ, OU, PE, QF, S4, SQ, TP, UA, US, VS, WE, WN

2019: CX BOS-HKG, WE HKG-HKT, CA HKT-PEK-EWR, B6 EWR-BOS
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:00 pm

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With B6 getting the A321XLR - could that force DL to expand Transatlantic flights in BOS even further?


Quite possibly, It was telling in one post I saw, that DL is actually seeing BOS as a secondary TATL point for JFK given their slot limits there. If that is the case and with the XLR coming for B6, I certainly could see DL pushing some new routes to stay ahead of B6, let's face it, it's still pretty small on their own metal (DUB, LHR, CDG, AMS, EDI and LIS) and with AMS x2 of course, and 3 of those are seasonal, If you add in KL/AF/VS then it gets a bit bigger, but i digress.
They've theorized publicly about LGW (I believe that happens when i see it), but if you look at the portfolio from JFK, the question will be either a) will they replicate those routes from BOS to a certain degree or will they go wider.

This fight between DL/B6 at BOS is fascinating, just like DL/AS was/is at SEA. B6 is way ahead of the game in terms of pax count and by sheer terminal size is unlikely to be overtaken, but kudos to DL they have made themselves very relevant in the BOS market and giving healthy competition to B6 and particularly TATL (we will be flying them to AMS later this year on our way via KLM to BHX, sadly the KLM flight didn't work for our timing), but oh how i would love to take B6 across the pond., This is of course unlike a couple of legacies in Terminal B, who don't feel like they want to fight a whole heck of a lot. They are happy with their hub connectors and FF.
That feeling when you sit at the end of a runway, brakes are released and the raw power takes over. Now that is a thing of beauty and it never gets old.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:06 pm

Is Skyteam now the biggest alliance (again) at BOS (due to ICN add), or is OW still the biggest in terms of pax flown daily?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:41 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
Is Skyteam now the biggest alliance (again) at BOS (due to ICN add), or is OW still the biggest in terms of pax flown daily?

Between AA, Qatar, BA, and Cathay I have to imagine they’ve got more seats but that’s just gut feel.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:32 pm

I missed RAM! A member elect of OW
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:43 pm

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I missed RAM! A member elect of OW

You also missed Iberia and LATAM :)
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:51 pm

FGITD wrote:
I'll be very curious to see the statistics, but I think BOS-CDG is shaping up to be interesting this summer.

DL has a 763 with 200+ seats, AF is running 2 772s at about 600 seats daily, not including the days where one (or both) are 77w, bringing the total seats up to possibly almost 800 seats, just on AF alone.

Add in the possible connections on the 3 daily AMS flights, and it certainly becomes a daunting task to break into that market for a new comer.


Don’t forget DY on it with a 788/789 alongside AF & DL’s 3x daily.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:55 pm

Nice write up in Flying on Cape Air’s new plane, including a trip with the author at the controls. Can’t wait to see these in action later this year (fingers crossed). http://www.flyingmag.com/we-fly-tecnam-p2012-traveller/
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:53 am

airbazar wrote:
FGITD wrote:
I'll be very curious to see the statistics, but I think BOS-CDG is shaping up to be interesting this summer.

DL has a 763 with 200+ seats, AF is running 2 772s at about 600 seats daily, not including the days where one (or both) are 77w, bringing the total seats up to possibly almost 800 seats, just on AF alone.

Add in the possible connections on the 3 daily AMS flights, and it certainly becomes a daunting task to break into that market for a new comer.

Paris is a huge Summer market. CDG-BOS was the last operating AF 744, IIRC. This Summer in particular there's the WWC which draws a huge number of American fans too.



Last USA departure of an AF 744. Last overall was Mexico City, I think. Definitely miss seeing them on the line at E but towards they end they were definitely some challenging aircraft to work. One of the aircraft that comes up a lot when the old timers are swapping "fish stories"
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:51 pm

Royal Air Maroc's inaugural flight is live now:

https://www.flightradar24.com/RAM210/20ff2ab6

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