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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:59 am

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DUB has preclearance so for numbers sake you could exclude that from any impact on Intl Arrivals waits. It effectively arrives as a domestic flight.


True, I just copied it from my original post detailing all 11 TATL flights.
So 8 of 11 :)
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:01 am

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I must be really lucky with my flying thru Logan. Not since the first couple of years right after 9/11 have I ever had any long wait times of any kind, be it at a TSA checkpoint, at immigration, or waiting for bags. Mind you, I only fly about 3 times a year but 3x for the past 15 years or so does add up to a good sampling. Ever since they installed the electronic kiosk at terminal E, immigration has been really quick. Actually let me correct myself. Wait times for a seat at any bar at Logan are still ridiculous :)

No wait times at the bar in A18-A22 last week before that section opened. But you do make a fair point. Although I’ve been pretty lucky with that myself over my travels.

Also, going back to the baggage issue. Our luggage took 45 minutes last week off the belt at BHX, not impressed. Much better at BOS
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:05 am

VS4ever wrote:
airbazar wrote:
I must be really lucky with my flying thru Logan. Not since the first couple of years right after 9/11 have I ever had any long wait times of any kind, be it at a TSA checkpoint, at immigration, or waiting for bags. Mind you, I only fly about 3 times a year but 3x for the past 15 years or so does add up to a good sampling. Ever since they installed the electronic kiosk at terminal E, immigration has been really quick. Actually let me correct myself. Wait times for a seat at any bar at Logan are still ridiculous :)

No wait times at the bar in A18-A22 last week before that section opened. But you do make a fair point. Although I’ve been pretty lucky with that myself over my travels.

Also, going back to the baggage issue. Our luggage took 45 minutes last week off the belt at BHX, not impressed. Much better at BOS


Now please compare with HND/NRT, HKG, or SIN.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:08 am

Dieuwer wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
airbazar wrote:
I must be really lucky with my flying thru Logan. Not since the first couple of years right after 9/11 have I ever had any long wait times of any kind, be it at a TSA checkpoint, at immigration, or waiting for bags. Mind you, I only fly about 3 times a year but 3x for the past 15 years or so does add up to a good sampling. Ever since they installed the electronic kiosk at terminal E, immigration has been really quick. Actually let me correct myself. Wait times for a seat at any bar at Logan are still ridiculous :)

No wait times at the bar in A18-A22 last week before that section opened. But you do make a fair point. Although I’ve been pretty lucky with that myself over my travels.

Also, going back to the baggage issue. Our luggage took 45 minutes last week off the belt at BHX, not impressed. Much better at BOS


Now please compare with HND/NRT, HKG, or SIN.


Can’t compare somewhere I have never been.
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:52 am

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first window into future ops for DL, here's a snapshot for this evening.
Others from A18-A22 (sample on current departure board from 4-6pm)
ATL x 2 - A18
MSP - A21
LGA - A22


LGA flight from A22? What happened to "DL Shuttle flights operate from convenient gates close to the curb"? ;)

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At this point it's really no longer where would UPS go, it's where is UPS going?

To that I have no definite answer. I have heard that DHL is going to move over towards the massport fire station, maybe even Delta cargo at the end of FedEx. And if that's the case, maybe UPS could shift over to where DHL is now.

I've got no idea how they're going to manage cargo. I still think the best option is eventually going to be to push south cargo back to the harbor


I know that it's been harped at before, but I really think the only answer is demo-ing runway 14/32 and using the apron near the Hyatt hotel on the backside of FedEx cargo as more cargo room. So much wasted space between the end of 32 and the hotel itself. But that would entail demolishing a (hardly-used) runway that Massport fought so hard to build. Then the question becomes, what do they use as a deicing area in the winter?
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:12 pm

mikegigs wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
first window into future ops for DL, here's a snapshot for this evening.
Others from A18-A22 (sample on current departure board from 4-6pm)
ATL x 2 - A18
MSP - A21
LGA - A22


LGA flight from A22? What happened to "DL Shuttle flights operate from convenient gates close to the curb"? ;)



Here's todays set as far as around 7am to 4pm, missed the early set, so who knows what was happening then.

Delta 2648 Atlanta A18 8:00 AM
Delta 1734 Atlanta A18 3:10 PM
Delta 2667 Detroit A18 12:49 PM
Delta 5922 Richmond A18 8:57 AM
Delta 1040 Detroit A19 10:55 AM
Delta 2983 New York - LGA A19 7:00 AM
Delta 2111 Raleigh/Durham A19 8:55 AM
Delta 155 Minneapolis A20 2:45 PM
Delta 1501 Atlanta A21 7:00 AM
Delta 800 Atlanta A21 11:00 AM
Delta 1337 Detroit A21 9:05 AM
Delta 2987 Raleigh/Durham A21 2:27 PM
Delta 3009 Atlanta A22 10:00 AM
Delta 877 Atlanta A22 12:15 PM
Delta 1315 Orlando A22 8:05 AM
Delta 2719 Tampa A22 3:54 PM
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:22 pm

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So the timings seem to have settled down now, from what i see AF look like they are starting their double daily on 7/1, at that point we are going to have the following schedule, so 5 daily on 4 days per week. (schedule taken from 7/1 and rolled forward a week to confirm days etc.) as it's late here, I haven't gone into which variant of 767 or 777 it is etc.

Timings are below, interesting that AF block 15 minutes longer than DY do.

Outbound:

AF333 BOS 18.05 – 0700+1CDG 777 D
DL404 BOS 19.06 - 0810+1CDG 767 D
DY7150 BOS 2200 - 1040+1CDG 787 x246
AF321 BOS 2210 - 1105+1CDG 777 D
DL226 BOS 2340 - 1240+1CDG 767 D

Inbound:

DL405 CDG1020 - 1222BOS 767 D
AF334 CDG1405 - 1555BOS 777 D
DL227 CDG1540 - 1730BOS 767 D
DY7149 CDG1820 - 2000BOS 787 x246
AF322 CDG1820 - 2015BOS 777 D


Actually it’s going to be up to 6 daily on the route. Level just announced they will be laughing flights 4 times weekly from may 31st.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:34 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
airbazar wrote:
I must be really lucky with my flying thru Logan. Not since the first couple of years right after 9/11 have I ever had any long wait times of any kind, be it at a TSA checkpoint, at immigration, or waiting for bags. Mind you, I only fly about 3 times a year but 3x for the past 15 years or so does add up to a good sampling. Ever since they installed the electronic kiosk at terminal E, immigration has been really quick. Actually let me correct myself. Wait times for a seat at any bar at Logan are still ridiculous :)

No wait times at the bar in A18-A22 last week before that section opened. But you do make a fair point. Although I’ve been pretty lucky with that myself over my travels.

Also, going back to the baggage issue. Our luggage took 45 minutes last week off the belt at BHX, not impressed. Much better at BOS


Now please compare with HND/NRT, HKG, or SIN.

Sadly the last time I was in HKG was still the old airport and SIN was just as long ago. But we can't compare immigration procedures in the U.S. vs. the rest of the world for the simple fact that things are different here. It starts with the consolidated nature of our international gateways that forces every intl arrival to clear immigration at the first landing airport, even for those who are just connecting and don't intend to ever enter the country. That is not a BOS problem, it's a national problem and there is really no solution to it.
As for baggage wait times I really haven't had any meaningful wait times and not any different than any other airport in Europe that I've been to.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:37 pm

Arrived at both multiple times and definitely better in those modern airports but I'd say the walk is also a good bit longer from Gate to Carousel so not necessarily apples to apples. It feels like it's a much shorter walk at Terminal E.

I will say having arrived at E on Emirates in J or F multiple times it has been my experience that priority bags are not the first ones out - very much consistent to the sentiment shared previously. The green economy tags have come out before Blue Business and Red First tags every time I've flown.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:38 pm

Thibault973 wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
So the timings seem to have settled down now, from what i see AF look like they are starting their double daily on 7/1, at that point we are going to have the following schedule, so 5 daily on 4 days per week. (schedule taken from 7/1 and rolled forward a week to confirm days etc.) as it's late here, I haven't gone into which variant of 767 or 777 it is etc.

Timings are below, interesting that AF block 15 minutes longer than DY do.

Outbound:

AF333 BOS 18.05 – 0700+1CDG 777 D
DL404 BOS 19.06 - 0810+1CDG 767 D
DY7150 BOS 2200 - 1040+1CDG 787 x246
AF321 BOS 2210 - 1105+1CDG 777 D
DL226 BOS 2340 - 1240+1CDG 767 D

Inbound:

DL405 CDG1020 - 1222BOS 767 D
AF334 CDG1405 - 1555BOS 777 D
DL227 CDG1540 - 1730BOS 767 D
DY7149 CDG1820 - 2000BOS 787 x246
AF322 CDG1820 - 2015BOS 777 D


Actually it’s going to be up to 6 daily on the route. Level just announced they will be laughing flights 4 times weekly from may 31st.


Do you have a source for that?
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:45 pm

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I will say having arrived at E on Emirates in J or F multiple times it has been my experience that priority bags are not the first ones out - very much consistent to the sentiment shared previously. The green economy tags have come out before Blue Business and Red First tags every time I've flown.


I don't know why it's the case, but it seems to me that priority tags come out late in Boston on almost every airline, and in every terminal. Nearly every other place I fly, they consistently come out first, but at BOS they always seem to end up in the middle or end of the pack.

Overall, baggage handling at BOS is so slow that I check bags only if absolutely necessary.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:33 pm

American is adding daily BOS-LHR service in a 777-200ER 3/29/2020, and LEVEL BOS-ORY 3x weekly 3/31/2020
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:39 pm

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American is adding daily BOS-LHR service in a 777-200ER 3/29/2020, and LEVEL BOS-ORY 3x weekly 3/31/2020


Now there's a twist I wasn't expecting.
http://www.globenewswire.com/news-relea ... rvice.html

The best schedule in Boston

When new American nonstop service from BOS to LHR launches next year, customers will have access to a total of five daily flights to choose from between American and joint business partner British Airways.

“Our new nonstop flight, combined with the service provided by our Atlantic Joint Business, gives customers the most robust schedule and the most premium seats between Boston and London,” Raja continued. “Boston customers have been asking for more service and we’re delivering with this new flight, and our recently announced seasonal service to Nassau and Grand Cayman.”

American’s BOS to LHR flight will be flown on a state-of-the-art 777-200, featuring 37 Flagship Business seats and 24 Premium Economy seats. The new flight fits into the current British Airways schedule with a peak evening departure (American Flight No. 108) from BOS and adds a new morning departure from LHR (American Flight No. 109). American and British Airways will have the most flights between the two historic cities when flights begin next year. Together, American and British Airways provide up to 71 flights every day between the U.S. and London.

And there’s more good news for customers flying out of Boston, as International Airline Group (IAG) subsidiary LEVEL will operate three weekly flights from BOS to Paris Orly Airport (ORY) beginning March 31. The Atlantic Joint Business continues to build a bigger and better network next summer by adding an additional 125,000 seats per month across the Atlantic with six new routes, in addition to the 12 routes already launched this year.

The new flight comes at an optimal time to build on the investments American has made at BOS this year. In January the airline co-located all mainline operations to a renovated portion of the B terminal so that customers have access to one main ticket lobby, a new baggage claim facility and a newly renovated Admiral’s Club, particularly welcomed by the airline’s international Flagship travelers. In addition, in June, American and Massport unveiled the new Terminal B Great Hall, offering customers more convenience and increased efficiency at the ticket counter and security.
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:42 pm

Waving from the 9AM BOS-ORD flight. Flight is pretty full. They handed us Delta socks as we boarded. Lots of chatter from the passengers (guy in front of me said, "Thank God DL finally added Chicago and I don't have to take AA/UA."

Re: baggage claim - I don't usually have a problem and Logan has been pretty good (compared to JFK). However, back on 9/21, I took the BA flight (213) back from London on the A380 and there was a really long wait for baggage. In fact, they were using two claims - premium and normal. The normal baggage came our pretty quickly. The premium baggage took forever on claim 6. I suspect that there was some sort of mechanical issue - they stopped and started the belt several times.

Interesting news from AA! I wonder if that's a payback for the LATAM coup from DL.
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:43 pm

So AA and its IAG partners now have 5 daily flights to LHR with all larger aircraft than VS/DL + year round flights to Madrid, Barcelona, Paris, Dublin and Shannon. So covers more major business market than DL and its partners + have the most capacity and flights to LHR. Not bad for an airline that people have said have given up on Boston.

IMO, AA will do continue to make moves like this and some Caribbean flights to keep its major corporate clients and ff base in Boston. It doesn't cost them as much as building up an entire network like DL, but will keep them very relevant in BOS.
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:48 pm

Any info on whether the new AA flight will replace a BA BOS-LHR slot? If not, where are they getting the slot from?
Also, will AA's flight depart from Terminal E or B?
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:51 pm

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Any info on whether the new AA flight will replace a BA BOS-LHR slot? If not, where are they getting the slot from?
Also, will AA's flight depart from Terminal E or B?


Seems like no BA flight will be replaced

When new American nonstop service from BOS to LHR launches next year, customers will have access to a total of five daily flights to choose from between American and joint business partner British Airways.

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:10 pm

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So AA and its IAG partners now have 5 daily flights to LHR with all larger aircraft than VS/DL + year round flights to Madrid, Barcelona, Paris, Dublin and Shannon. So covers more major business market than DL and its partners + have the most capacity and flights to LHR. Not bad for an airline that people have said have given up on Boston.

IMO, AA will do continue to make moves like this and some Caribbean flights to keep its major corporate clients and ff base in Boston. It doesn't cost them as much as building up an entire network like DL, but will keep them very relevant in BOS.


Does AA still run the Paris flight???
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:11 pm

tlecam wrote:
tphuang wrote:
So AA and its IAG partners now have 5 daily flights to LHR with all larger aircraft than VS/DL + year round flights to Madrid, Barcelona, Paris, Dublin and Shannon. So covers more major business market than DL and its partners + have the most capacity and flights to LHR. Not bad for an airline that people have said have given up on Boston.

IMO, AA will do continue to make moves like this and some Caribbean flights to keep its major corporate clients and ff base in Boston. It doesn't cost them as much as building up an entire network like DL, but will keep them very relevant in BOS.


Does AA still run the Paris flight???


I think he means the ORY flight on LEVEL.
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:13 pm

AA has had the Boston London route for years. Thrilled for them. As I said the 777-200 will be a nice ride opposed to the Jetblues A220 that has been rumored to fly to the UK.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:15 pm

tlecam wrote:
tphuang wrote:
So AA and its IAG partners now have 5 daily flights to LHR with all larger aircraft than VS/DL + year round flights to Madrid, Barcelona, Paris, Dublin and Shannon. So covers more major business market than DL and its partners + have the most capacity and flights to LHR. Not bad for an airline that people have said have given up on Boston.

IMO, AA will do continue to make moves like this and some Caribbean flights to keep its major corporate clients and ff base in Boston. It doesn't cost them as much as building up an entire network like DL, but will keep them very relevant in BOS.


Does AA still run the Paris flight???


Flew 2 years ago CDG-DFW at this time of year and it was AA's last day of CDG-BOS. Nice to see it resuming.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:19 pm

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Does AA still run the Paris flight???


I think 2017 was the last year for it.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:22 pm

tphuang wrote:
So AA and its IAG partners now have 4 daily flights to LHR with all larger aircraft than VS/DL + year round flights to Madrid, Barcelona, Paris, Dublin and Shannon. So covers more major business market than DL and its partners + have the most capacity and flights to LHR. Not bad for an airline that people have said have given up on Boston.

The adds to Latin America are a clear replacement for the LATAM loss but I don't see the 1 LHR add from BOS as not having given up on BOS.
No one ever said OW partners had given up on BOS either.
AA and OW had to do something quick to appease their shareholders given the debacle over the loss of LATAM combined with the recent news of international expansion coming out of UA and DL

With this much capacity being added to Paris, London, Rome and Madrid it's pretty obvious the incumbents can smell DY blood in the water and are going for the kill. Let's not forget that LH is adding A380 service to MUC from BOS and that MUC is LH's defacto hub for Italy. I see only one outcome here and it's not good news for DY or anyone wanting to dump cheap fares onto the TATL market (and that includes B6).
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:40 pm

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tphuang wrote:
So AA and its IAG partners now have 5 daily flights to LHR with all larger aircraft than VS/DL + year round flights to Madrid, Barcelona, Paris, Dublin and Shannon. So covers more major business market than DL and its partners + have the most capacity and flights to LHR. Not bad for an airline that people have said have given up on Boston.

IMO, AA will do continue to make moves like this and some Caribbean flights to keep its major corporate clients and ff base in Boston. It doesn't cost them as much as building up an entire network like DL, but will keep them very relevant in BOS.


Does AA still run the Paris flight???


Sorry, I was referring to level to Orly.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:58 pm

I'm honestly stunned, never thought I'd see the day AA resumes BOS-LHR on a 777!
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:03 pm

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Any info on whether the new AA flight will replace a BA BOS-LHR slot? If not, where are they getting the slot from?
Also, will AA's flight depart from Terminal E or B?


Possibly this: https://mobile.twitter.com/SeanM1997/st ... 7760122881
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:26 pm

I thought AA had to relinquish the LHR-BOS flight as a precondition for the AA/BA JV to be approved? Am I missing something?
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:40 pm

BOS-LON will be flooded...

LHR
4x British Airways
2x Virgin Atlantic
1x Delta Air Lines
1x American Airlines

LGW
1x Norwegian
1x Delta

The LHR market already has an A380 on BA, and with this 777 addition, BOS-LHR will definitely surge over 1,000,000 passengers a year. This is great for Boston's economy however.

The only thing I can think of AA adding this route is "Oh jetBlue is NOT touching our TATL Market"
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:40 pm

BOS-LON will be flooded...

LHR
4x British Airways
2x Virgin Atlantic
1x Delta Air Lines
1x American Airlines

LGW
1x Norwegian
1x Delta

The LHR market already has an A380 on BA, and with this 777 addition, BOS-LHR will definitely surge over 1,000,000 passengers a year. This is great for Boston's economy however.

The only thing I can think of AA adding this route is "Oh jetBlue is NOT touching our TATL Market"
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:42 pm

timings on Level to ORY are already up:

LV8013 ORY1915 - BOS2100 330 246
LV8014 BOS2300 - ORY1205+1 330 246

Google flights is offering the early trips at $283 r/t.

Interestingly, this looks to be the slot (in naming convention only) that was given up by DY no longer flying to MAD.
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:50 pm

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I don't think the story of BOS-CDG next summer is quite over yet.

A lot of interesting things being floated.

FGITD - are you referring to AA possibly restarting CDG? I do not know who else is left to take that spot at-least in the immediate.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:36 pm

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FGITD wrote:
I don't think the story of BOS-CDG next summer is quite over yet.

A lot of interesting things being floated.

FGITD - are you referring to AA possibly restarting CDG? I do not know who else is left to take that spot at-least in the immediate.

Could it have been today's announcement of Level on BOS-ORY?
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Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:04 am

iyerhari wrote:
FGITD wrote:
I don't think the story of BOS-CDG next summer is quite over yet.

A lot of interesting things being floated.

FGITD - are you referring to AA possibly restarting CDG? I do not know who else is left to take that spot at-least in the immediate.


I'll be totally honest with you all, I had heard Level was interested in new routes, but I had absolutely no idea about ORY. And AA is a different world from where I am, so great surprise there as well. AA 777s are a classic look, can't wait to see them again.

That said, I still don't think CDG (or maybe even France because at this point...who knows?) Is totally done with.
 
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Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:10 am

Quickly checked BOS-LHR and BOS-LGW on Delta in J. Guess what, the LGW and LHR flights are equally priced, and sometimes the LGW flights are actually higher in airfare! Not sure what Delta is thinking, but this is NOT gonna fly with the business traveler. And DY must be laughing at the cluelessness of DL yield management.
 
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Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:16 am

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Does AA still run the Paris flight???


Yes, 2017. we were there that day they were boarding the last flight. Glad its coming back.
I think 2017 was the last year for it.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:03 am

FGITD wrote:
iyerhari wrote:
FGITD wrote:
I don't think the story of BOS-CDG next summer is quite over yet.

A lot of interesting things being floated.

FGITD - are you referring to AA possibly restarting CDG? I do not know who else is left to take that spot at-least in the immediate.


I'll be totally honest with you all, I had heard Level was interested in new routes, but I had absolutely no idea about ORY. And AA is a different world from where I am, so great surprise there as well. AA 777s are a classic look, can't wait to see them again.

That said, I still don't think CDG (or maybe even France because at this point...who knows?) Is totally done with.



French Bee and Corsair only serve ORY plus XL Airways is done for.

A380 with AF still in play?

Is it a SQ or ET fifth freedom being floated about? There's no way France would allow EK to do a fifth freedom.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:15 am

Dieuwer wrote:
Quickly checked BOS-LHR and BOS-LGW on Delta in J. Guess what, the LGW and LHR flights are equally priced, and sometimes the LGW flights are actually higher in airfare! Not sure what Delta is thinking, but this is NOT gonna fly with the business traveler. And DY must be laughing at the cluelessness of DL yield management.

Yes indeed. Maybe Delta management are so clueless at yield management because they're too distracted making money by the billions.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/11/delta-a ... tions.html
Remind me again what is the profit outlook for DY for 2019?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:56 am

tphuang wrote:
So AA and its IAG partners now have 5 daily flights to LHR with all larger aircraft than VS/DL + year round flights to Madrid, Barcelona, Paris, Dublin and Shannon. So covers more major business market than DL and its partners + have the most capacity and flights to LHR. Not bad for an airline that people have said have given up on Boston.

IMO, AA will do continue to make moves like this and some Caribbean flights to keep its major corporate clients and ff base in Boston. It doesn't cost them as much as building up an entire network like DL, but will keep them very relevant in BOS.


First of all how are the LEVEL flights to Paris or Barcelona of any use to AA customers when they aren't bookable on AA.com and "On LEVEL flights As of November 1, 2017, travel on any flights marketed by Iberia and operated by Iberia for LEVEL (IB2600 – IB2699) aren't eligible for AAdvantage mileage accrual"? https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/par ... iberia.jsp

Secondly, the Paris LEVEL flight is just 3 times weekly, compared to DL + AF's 4 times daily. The LEVEL Barcelona flight is not daily either (4 weekly). So how does that cover more major business markets than DL and its partners? And let's get real, there are more major business markets domestically and DL crushes AA there.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:24 am

Boston757 wrote:
AA has had the Boston London route for years. Thrilled for them. As I said the 777-200 will be a nice ride opposed to the Jetblues A220 that has been rumored to fly to the UK.


Respectfully, AA has not had the BOS-LHR for years. They cancelled it in March of 2013 and are resuming it next March after a seven year absence.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... ce-in-s13/

Stop spreading false “rumors” of B6 using an A220 to London. It’s been stated firmly it will be on their new A321LR.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47889262
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:34 pm

dmorbust wrote:
First of all how are the LEVEL flights to Paris or Barcelona of any use to AA customers when they aren't bookable on AA.com and "On LEVEL flights As of November 1, 2017, travel on any flights marketed by Iberia and operated by Iberia for LEVEL (IB2600 – IB2699) aren't eligible for AAdvantage mileage accrual"? https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/par ... iberia.jsp

Secondly, the Paris LEVEL flight is just 3 times weekly, compared to DL + AF's 4 times daily. The LEVEL Barcelona flight is not daily either (4 weekly). So how does that cover more major business markets than DL and its partners? And let's get real, there are more major business markets domestically and DL crushes AA there.

I'll give you the first point but the second is debatable.
This is an old article but it's all I could find. It might not even apply to BOS and I'm surprised that MIA is not in the top-10.
https://www.inc.com/anna-hensel/10-us-c ... aphic.html

NYC DL
LA DL=AA
CHI AA
SFO DL
IAH -
MCO DL
ATL - DL
SAN -
CLT AA
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:41 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
Quickly checked BOS-LHR and BOS-LGW on Delta in J. Guess what, the LGW and LHR flights are equally priced, and sometimes the LGW flights are actually higher in airfare! Not sure what Delta is thinking, but this is NOT gonna fly with the business traveler. And DY must be laughing at the cluelessness of DL yield management.


I wonder if it has to do with capacity. The LGW flight is only on a 752, so maybe DL isn't all too concerned with attracting a ton of business travelers to the route since there are only 16 seats to fill? Or perhaps they just know that J pax won't be interested in LGW and are focusing more on Y fares.

The LHR route is a lot more competitive anyway, fighting the BA (and now AA) J class fares, not to mention filling up the front of a 764 (or will it go back to A332 next summer?) . If anything's been discussed on this thread time and again, it's that DL makes most of its money on the LHR route from the front of the plane.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:57 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
Quickly checked BOS-LHR and BOS-LGW on Delta in J. Guess what, the LGW and LHR flights are equally priced, and sometimes the LGW flights are actually higher in airfare! Not sure what Delta is thinking, but this is NOT gonna fly with the business traveler. And DY must be laughing at the cluelessness of DL yield management.

Please - DY vs. DL? Except the first alphabet in their short name being the same, there have nothing in common! One is one of verge of bankruptcy and the later is one of the best managed airline in the world and most certain in the US.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:22 pm

dmorbust wrote:
tphuang wrote:
So AA and its IAG partners now have 5 daily flights to LHR with all larger aircraft than VS/DL + year round flights to Madrid, Barcelona, Paris, Dublin and Shannon. So covers more major business market than DL and its partners + have the most capacity and flights to LHR. Not bad for an airline that people have said have given up on Boston.

IMO, AA will do continue to make moves like this and some Caribbean flights to keep its major corporate clients and ff base in Boston. It doesn't cost them as much as building up an entire network like DL, but will keep them very relevant in BOS.


First of all how are the LEVEL flights to Paris or Barcelona of any use to AA customers when they aren't bookable on AA.com and "On LEVEL flights As of November 1, 2017, travel on any flights marketed by Iberia and operated by Iberia for LEVEL (IB2600 – IB2699) aren't eligible for AAdvantage mileage accrual"? https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/par ... iberia.jsp

Secondly, the Paris LEVEL flight is just 3 times weekly, compared to DL + AF's 4 times daily. The LEVEL Barcelona flight is not daily either (4 weekly). So how does that cover more major business markets than DL and its partners? And let's get real, there are more major business markets domestically and DL crushes AA there.


AA crushes DL on most of the top business market domestically. In fact, it crushes B6 to those same markets. The only major ones it doesn't fly to are SFO (where DL has an noncompetitive 1x daily schedule for most of the year with no premium product) and ATL. Sure, if your business takes you to IND/CMH/CVG mostly, AA doesn't make sense to you. But if your needs are mostly NYC/DCA/ORD/PHL/LA/LHR, AA actually has better schedule in total than anyone else. And it's never going to retreat from those markets.

As for Europe stuff, my point is AA and IAG combo covers a lot of the major destinations in Europe. They are quite a force on their own right out of BOS and fly to most of the major destinations in Europe. If you do a lot of European flights, AA is still a good enough option to not jump ship. And that's all AA needs to do here.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:36 pm

NickolayAv wrote:
iyerhari wrote:
FGITD wrote:
I don't think the story of BOS-CDG next summer is quite over yet.

A lot of interesting things being floated.

FGITD - are you referring to AA possibly restarting CDG? I do not know who else is left to take that spot at-least in the immediate.

Could it have been today's announcement of Level on BOS-ORY?


Us airlines are now permitted back to ORY. Several years back All Us airlines were forced to pack up from ORY and move to CDG. So what gives.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:47 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
Boston757 wrote:
AA has had the Boston London route for years. Thrilled for them. As I said the 777-200 will be a nice ride opposed to the Jetblues A220 that has been rumored to fly to the UK.


Respectfully, AA has not had the BOS-LHR for years. They cancelled it in March of 2013 and are resuming it next March after a seven year absence.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... ce-in-s13/

Stop spreading false “rumors” of B6 using an A220 to London. It’s been stated firmly it will be on their new A321LR.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47889262

I know they CXLD the BOS-LHR. I was saying they had it for years and re entering. I had heard this was coming in mid August. However, when I had mentioned on the JBL hands on deck thread,it was said to be impossible and JBL would get any new slots BOS-UK.

Thrilled for AA ers in Boston.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:49 pm

I want to clarify. Heard that Boston-LHR in August would be coming back soon. Not that it would be coming back in August. Sorry
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:32 pm

tphuang wrote:
dmorbust wrote:
tphuang wrote:
So AA and its IAG partners now have 5 daily flights to LHR with all larger aircraft than VS/DL + year round flights to Madrid, Barcelona, Paris, Dublin and Shannon. So covers more major business market than DL and its partners + have the most capacity and flights to LHR. Not bad for an airline that people have said have given up on Boston.

IMO, AA will do continue to make moves like this and some Caribbean flights to keep its major corporate clients and ff base in Boston. It doesn't cost them as much as building up an entire network like DL, but will keep them very relevant in BOS.


First of all how are the LEVEL flights to Paris or Barcelona of any use to AA customers when they aren't bookable on AA.com and "On LEVEL flights As of November 1, 2017, travel on any flights marketed by Iberia and operated by Iberia for LEVEL (IB2600 – IB2699) aren't eligible for AAdvantage mileage accrual"? https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/par ... iberia.jsp

Secondly, the Paris LEVEL flight is just 3 times weekly, compared to DL + AF's 4 times daily. The LEVEL Barcelona flight is not daily either (4 weekly). So how does that cover more major business markets than DL and its partners? And let's get real, there are more major business markets domestically and DL crushes AA there.


AA crushes DL on most of the top business market domestically. In fact, it crushes B6 to those same markets. The only major ones it doesn't fly to are SFO (where DL has an noncompetitive 1x daily schedule for most of the year with no premium product) and ATL. Sure, if your business takes you to IND/CMH/CVG mostly, AA doesn't make sense to you. But if your needs are mostly NYC/DCA/ORD/PHL/LA/LHR, AA actually has better schedule in total than anyone else. And it's never going to retreat from those markets.

As for Europe stuff, my point is AA and IAG combo covers a lot of the major destinations in Europe. They are quite a force on their own right out of BOS and fly to most of the major destinations in Europe. If you do a lot of European flights, AA is still a good enough option to not jump ship. And that's all AA needs to do here.


Don't see the point of arguing about "Airline XYZ" crushes "Airline ABC".
It all depends on your travels. I like B6 because it flies to where we need to go: DC and SFO. But to Europe I prefer DL over BA (AA has not been flying to Europe from BOS for a while). IMO, DL just has the better product flying to Europe compared to BA.
I don't have much use for *A as they seem rather weak in BOS. And pretty much everywhere UA flies from BOS (nonstop), so does B6.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:13 pm

I heard a rumor on the Boston Aviation Photography forum on facebook from an insider who said AA will be restarting BOS-CDG service on a 767.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:15 pm

Anyone know anything about Air Canada Rouge A319 service on the Montreal - Boston route? It's flown at least 5 times in the last week. Twice daily a few times.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:00 pm

Amid all the hoopla about AA, I noticed that SAS made a slew of international long-haul changes and none involved Boston. That’s curious since I’ve inferred from comments that the flight doesn’t do that well. But I guess it does well enough to keep everything as-is for next year. Also, I looked to see whether BA is keeping the A380 next summer in light of the AA addition. They are. So, lots of seats on the LHR route.
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