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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:03 pm

FGITD wrote:
I highly doubt most of you know, or even care to know who loads what etc etc.


I kinda would be interested in answers to these questions:
    Who (beyond the usual freight guys) carries the most belly freight?
    Who ships the most LOBSTERS out of Boston?
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:15 pm

ChrisNH38 wrote:
FGITD wrote:
I highly doubt most of you know, or even care to know who loads what etc etc.


I kinda would be interested in answers to these questions:
    Who (beyond the usual freight guys) carries the most belly freight?
    Who ships the most LOBSTERS out of Boston?



Honestly a total toss up. Everyone has their big days and their bad.

AF/LH/LX/CX tend to leave full most often. Especially LX. I've never seen a carrier so consistently full day after day.

EK and QR do well, particularly when it's a 77w.

BA I can't say much on. They might carry more than everyone else, but it's split over the course of the day on so many flights that it's difficult to follow unless you're directly involved.

I'd love to provide more info, but the actual cargo handling info is beyond my scope. We just load whatever we're given.

Lobsters...if I had to venture a guess, I'd say AF. Lobsters travel in a fairly distinctive packaging style, and you usually see a lot of it around AF. That isn't to say the rest don't take their fair share.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:57 pm

BOS Sep-2019 nos. are out. Upward trend continues.
Sep-2019 total pax: 3,547,546
Sep-2018 total pax: 3,393,644
MTD growth rate: 4.54%

YTD 2019 total pax: 32,097,712
YTD 2018 total pax: 30,873,364
AAGR: 4.0%

Details:

Sep-19 Sep-18 Difference
Domestic Charter Passenger 889 954 -6.81%
Domestic Commuter Passenger 208,789 189,288 10.30%
Domestic Jet Passenger 2,602,047 2,496,114 4.24%
Total Domestic Passengers 2,811,725 2,686,356 4.67%

International
Bermuda/Bahamas/Caribbean 73,002 67,119 8.77%
Canada 90,968 95,619 -4.86%
Central America 15,629 19,548 -20.05%
Europe 423,248 409,646 3.32%
Middle East 60,256 49,747 21.12%
South America 8,749 11,582 -24.46%
Trans-Pacific 48,957 43,821 11.72%
North Africa 3,982 0 #DIV/0!
Total International passengers 724,791 697,082 3.97%

General Aviation 11,030 10,206 8.07%
Total Airport pax 3,547,546 3,393,644 4.54%

Enjoy!
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:04 pm

I guess EK really filled the A380 up. Not sure whether ElAl was a 777 last September.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:28 pm

ChrisNH38 wrote:
I guess EK really filled the A380 up. Not sure whether ElAl was a 777 last September.


LY was not a 777 last september, the 777 didn't kick in until Jul 19. Note in December one of the frequencies is going 788 on TLV and then up to 2 weekly on 3/29/20.

EK is definitely the driving force on the numbers, however QR haven't been doing so badly either.

Nice to see the Domestic number bounce back
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Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:54 pm

El Al only has 789s, and they have a few more seats than their 777s
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:17 pm

VS4ever wrote:
ChrisNH38 wrote:
I guess EK really filled the A380 up. Not sure whether ElAl was a 777 last September.


LY was not a 777 last september, the 777 didn't kick in until Jul 19. Note in December one of the frequencies is going 788 on TLV and then up to 2 weekly on 3/29/20.

EK is definitely the driving force on the numbers, however QR haven't been doing so badly either.

Nice to see the Domestic number bounce back

With the recent DL adds to DCA, ORD, EWR, the domestic nos. are surely going to increase in the Oct nos.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:36 am

Wow int was only up 3.xx%. Whats up with the slowdown in growth.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:56 am

massachoicetts wrote:
Wow int was only up 3.xx%. Whats up with the slowdown in growth.


Space, the final frontier, these are the voyages of Terminal E, it’s ongoing mission to be expanded from its current gates to many more, but not yet.

Along with that. Canada reverses due to Westjet, South America because of the cancellation of a couple of routes same with Central America. September is always a tough month because it’s back to school and the winter slowdown begins to take shape. I’m actually happy with a 3% growth to be honest plus domestic starting to grow again.

October should see more domestic growth as the B6 and DL adds kick in, but until next summer season, when DL start LGW, FCO and CDG #2, upgauge DUB and LHR, LH turn up with the whale on MUC, KE increase frequency and type along with AF going longer with their #2 flight and others you are going to see limited growth i suspect, even Massport don’t see a big kick until E is completed at least on phase 1.

We are up 1.2m pax which means we are heading to over 42m when all said and done, not to be sniffed at. Massport do believe they are going to get to 50m eventually, but it’s going to take some time to get there when you are only building 4 new domestic gates and 2 of those are already done.
Growth will come from upgauging in the future. B6 move from 150 to 162 on their 320’s, all Core 321’s with 200 and the new 220’s with 130 will all add capacity at a decent clip for them.
DL can shift from regional to mainline flying l, WN can return the max eventually and Massport can build out the E flying schedule to maximize relatively quieter times.

The days of massive growth are somewhat behind, but unless the economy crashes you are still going to see black numbers on the Massport reports rather than red.
That feeling when you sit at the end of a runway, brakes are released and the raw power takes over. Now that is a thing of beauty and it never gets old.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Oct 24, 2019 5:10 am

whywhyzee wrote:
airbazar wrote:
VS4ever wrote:

Partly yes, people need options and NRT on JL isn’t it because they don’t have any more capacity unless they themselves upgauge.
I remember DL coming out and stating it was going well, so was expecting frequency increase but to double down with a gauge increase too is really interesting


They will about double the number of premium seats, depending on which 77W config they'll use but it's a decrease in Y seats. So business must be really good. Really makes you wonder, what took them so long to come here?


Airlineroute reports, 2x weekly 77W, 5X 789.


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... ce-in-s20/

Actually it’s 773 all the way from 3/29 and daily from 5/4

Impressive, 789 holds 269, the 773’s have 277 or 291 with the big difference being in Prestige (business) going up to either 42 or 56 from 18, first moves from 6 to 8 and the balance in economy, to me this is a huge statement from KE as it is the double up of frequency and capacity and they are banking on Prestige taking the strain for it.
That feeling when you sit at the end of a runway, brakes are released and the raw power takes over. Now that is a thing of beauty and it never gets old.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:11 am

ChrisNH38 wrote:
El Al only has 789s, and they have a few more seats than their 777s


So El Al does have 788's on order, and they the first is in final assembly currently.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:37 pm

This weekend, most of the international airlines schedules switch between the summer and winter schedules.

Here is what is changing:

Equipment Changes
-EI SNN 757-200 switches to A321LR starting 10/27
-EI DUB A333 on 1 of 2 daily switches to A332 starting 10/26

-VS LHR A333 morning switches to 789 starting 10/30
-VS LHR A333 switches to combination A333/A332 starting 10/28

-BA LHR A388 switches to 744 starting 10/28

-LH FRA 748 switches to 744 starting 10/27
-LH MUC A346 switches to a combination of A346/A359 starting 10/30

-GRU 763 switches from JJ to LA operations starting 10/27 :shock: :?

-YYZ E190/E175 switches to 9 daily E175 starting 10/26

Service Reductions Starting This Week
Iberia
TAP
DL AMS
AZ
LX 1st of 2 daily services ends today
HU PEK

End of Season / Route
DY CDG
DY FCO
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Oct 26, 2019 3:20 pm

AA launching seasonal BOS-EYW service beginning February 15th. Saturday-only on a Republic E175 and runs through May.

https://www.boston.com/travel/travel/20 ... st-flights
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Oct 26, 2019 3:41 pm

Runway28L wrote:
AA launching seasonal BOS-EYW service beginning February 15th. Saturday-only on a Republic E175 and runs through May.

https://www.boston.com/travel/travel/20 ... st-flights


Sure did not see that one coming but BOS-EYW ranges between 50-70 PDEW in winter so filling this weekly flight should not be a problem.
Airlines flown: A3, AA, AC, AF, AM, BA, B6, CA, CO, CX, DL, EA, EL, IB, LH, MI, MQ, NH, NW, NZ, OU, PE, QF, S4, SQ, TP, UA, US, VS, WE, WN

2019: CX BOS-HKG, WE HKG-HKT, CA HKT-PEK-EWR, B6 EWR-BOS
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Oct 26, 2019 4:08 pm

adamh8297 wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
AA launching seasonal BOS-EYW service beginning February 15th. Saturday-only on a Republic E175 and runs through May.

https://www.boston.com/travel/travel/20 ... st-flights


Sure did not see that one coming but BOS-EYW ranges between 50-70 PDEW in winter so filling this weekly flight should not be a problem.


Why AA and not B6??
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Oct 26, 2019 4:14 pm

Runway28L wrote:
AA launching seasonal BOS-EYW service beginning February 15th. Saturday-only on a Republic E175 and runs through May.

https://www.boston.com/travel/travel/20 ... st-flights


neat add! BOS becomes the farthest scheduled pax destination from EYW. 5000' runway complicates things.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Oct 26, 2019 4:18 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
adamh8297 wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
AA launching seasonal BOS-EYW service beginning February 15th. Saturday-only on a Republic E175 and runs through May.

https://www.boston.com/travel/travel/20 ... st-flights


Sure did not see that one coming but BOS-EYW ranges between 50-70 PDEW in winter so filling this weekly flight should not be a problem.


Why AA and not B6??


EYW is a really short runway to get an E90 off the ground and fly 1300 nm.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:18 pm

Wow. It shows AA is not done at BOS and will continue to make adds as it makes sense.

LHR, seasonal: GCM, NAS and AAE: EYW
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:41 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
adamh8297 wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
AA launching seasonal BOS-EYW service beginning February 15th. Saturday-only on a Republic E175 and runs through May.

https://www.boston.com/travel/travel/20 ... st-flights


Sure did not see that one coming but BOS-EYW ranges between 50-70 PDEW in winter so filling this weekly flight should not be a problem.


Why AA and not B6??

runway issue. EYW is one of the 2 or 3 obvious new stations for them once they get A220 in sufficient numbers.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:52 pm

Is it true Delta will be announcing service from
BOS to GSP tomorrow: https://www.flightsfrom.com/GSP
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:58 pm

BOS-EYW timings are the following

AA 4355 - same flight number both directions
BOS-EYW - 10:18-14:23
EYW-BOS - 14:58-18:33

4 hr 5 mins seems long to me probably some padding there for sure. Only full Y is loaded on ITA right now.


Lilj4425 wrote:
Is it true Delta will be announcing service from
BOS to GSP tomorrow: https://www.flightsfrom.com/GSP


Nothing in OAG this - This isn't an official site for any of the parties (BOS,GSP, DL etc) so we'll see.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:39 pm

tphuang wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
adamh8297 wrote:

Sure did not see that one coming but BOS-EYW ranges between 50-70 PDEW in winter so filling this weekly flight should not be a problem.


Why AA and not B6??

runway issue. EYW is one of the 2 or 3 obvious new stations for them once they get A220 in sufficient numbers.


I agree. EYW, EGE, BZN, maybe even JAC all seem like good Winter seasonal routes for the A220.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:49 pm

airbazar wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:

Why AA and not B6??

runway issue. EYW is one of the 2 or 3 obvious new stations for them once they get A220 in sufficient numbers.


I agree. EYW, EGE, BZN, maybe even JAC all seem like good Winter seasonal routes for the A220.


they’ll keep the focus of A220 onto high frequency and high value business routes, until they have the luxury to do otherwise. flying leisure routes with premium configured aircraft doesn’t make a ton of sense. some opportunistic weekend turns? sure.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:23 pm

rnav2dlrey wrote:
airbazar wrote:
tphuang wrote:
runway issue. EYW is one of the 2 or 3 obvious new stations for them once they get A220 in sufficient numbers.


I agree. EYW, EGE, BZN, maybe even JAC all seem like good Winter seasonal routes for the A220.


they’ll keep the focus of A220 onto high frequency and high value business routes, until they have the luxury to do otherwise. flying leisure routes with premium configured aircraft doesn’t make a ton of sense. some opportunistic weekend turns? sure.

Those would be Sat-only routes when the aircraft would be parked and not making money. That is why AA is flying this EYW route on Sat only. DL also runs a lot of these seasonal, Saturday-only routes from ATL for that same reason.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:31 pm

jworks158 wrote:
This weekend, most of the international airlines schedules switch between the summer and winter schedules.

Here is what is changing:

Equipment Changes
-EI SNN 757-200 switches to A321LR starting 10/27
-EI DUB A333 on 1 of 2 daily switches to A332 starting 10/26

-VS LHR A333 morning switches to 789 starting 10/30
-VS LHR A333 switches to combination A333/A332 starting 10/28

-BA LHR A388 switches to 744 starting 10/28

-LH FRA 748 switches to 744 starting 10/27
-LH MUC A346 switches to a combination of A346/A359 starting 10/30

-GRU 763 switches from JJ to LA operations starting 10/27 :shock: :?

-YYZ E190/E175 switches to 9 daily E175 starting 10/26

Service Reductions Starting This Week
Iberia
TAP
DL AMS
AZ
LX 1st of 2 daily services ends today
HU PEK

End of Season / Route
DY CDG
DY FCO


I have a few updates to the list after I inquired with routes online.

I asked what the combination/frequency would be in regards to the A346/A359 combo.
"mostly A340-600. selected dates towards the end of November and December shows 350"
https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status/1188169353839042561?s=20

They also noted that LATAM Brazil will continue to operate the GRU service. The JJ code is just being retired with the LATAM Chile code LA replacing it.
https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status/1188172597592088576?s=20
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:20 pm

airbazar wrote:
rnav2dlrey wrote:
airbazar wrote:

I agree. EYW, EGE, BZN, maybe even JAC all seem like good Winter seasonal routes for the A220.


they’ll keep the focus of A220 onto high frequency and high value business routes, until they have the luxury to do otherwise. flying leisure routes with premium configured aircraft doesn’t make a ton of sense. some opportunistic weekend turns? sure.

Those would be Sat-only routes when the aircraft would be parked and not making money. That is why AA is flying this EYW route on Sat only. DL also runs a lot of these seasonal, Saturday-only routes from ATL for that same reason.


Right they are getting delivery for 1 A220 in 2020, 6 in 2021 and 8 in 2022. I'd totally expect the vast majority (if not all) of the earliest A220 to serve BOS. That would mean A220 on BOS to AUS, DFW, IAH, ATL, MSP in the first couple of year and then BNA, ORD, DEN, BWI after that. But I wouldn't be surprised to see A220 getting off peak turns in winter time to leisure spots.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:56 pm

tphuang wrote:
airbazar wrote:
rnav2dlrey wrote:

they’ll keep the focus of A220 onto high frequency and high value business routes, until they have the luxury to do otherwise. flying leisure routes with premium configured aircraft doesn’t make a ton of sense. some opportunistic weekend turns? sure.

Those would be Sat-only routes when the aircraft would be parked and not making money. That is why AA is flying this EYW route on Sat only. DL also runs a lot of these seasonal, Saturday-only routes from ATL for that same reason.


Right they are getting delivery for 1 A220 in 2020, 6 in 2021 and 8 in 2022. I'd totally expect the vast majority (if not all) of the earliest A220 to serve BOS. That would mean A220 on BOS to AUS, DFW, IAH, ATL, MSP in the first couple of year and then BNA, ORD, DEN, BWI after that. But I wouldn't be surprised to see A220 getting off peak turns in winter time to leisure spots.


From what I understand the second BOSAUS flight (so now 2x A320) is doing well. One of the DFW frequencies was also upgauged to an A321, and hopefully with the move to IAH they will finally see enough demand to add a second frequency (at least). Personally at first I would expect to see the A220 directly replacing the E190’s to RDU, CLT, RIC, ORD, and some of the frequencies that are sprinkled to CHS/SAV/ATL. I’m assuming the economic benefits are most amlified for these 1.5hr+ markets and less so to closer-in markets like EWR or BUF. Now I think the A220 would do wonders for the margins on BOS-ATL/MSP/BUR/OAK/SJC and to add frequency to DEN/PHX, but I’m still not sure how quick that will happen given the planes need to be used to replace the E190’s as they get removed from the fleet. Maybe it would make sense to keep like 20 of the newest E190’s and just send them on those short missions from BOS to NYC/DC/PIT/BUF/PHL etc to hold them over until a smaller plane is delivered (perhaps the A220-100 after the -300s are all delivered).
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:53 pm

While WN has already dropped BOS-IND nonstop service and while WN will be dropping BOS-ATL/MCI/MKE nonstop service in January 2020, WN could re-add BOS-PHX nonstop service since the demand was there when WN last operated BOS-PHX nonstop service and since WN had a customer base in Greater Phoenix, Las Vegas, and Southern California to support BOS-PHX nonstop service.

Here were the number of passengers and load factors back when WN was last operating PHX-BOS nonstop service:
2011 - 91911 passengers, 92.79% load factor
2012 - 57921 passengers, 94.07% load factor

I am unsure why WN dropped BOS-PHX nonstop service when the demand was clearly there. WN might also have been able to get better yields on BOS-PHX nonstop service if WN hadn't dropped BOS-PHX nonstop service and if WN had raised fares on BOS-PHX nonstop flights.

The average load factors on WN BOS-PHX in 2011 and 2012 were also higher than the average load factors of BOS-ATL/IND/MCI/MKE in 2018 and 2019H1.

WN can likely make BOS-PHX nonstop service work again as there are WN FF's in Greater Phoenix who prefer to fly on WN over other carriers with WN having nonstop service to destinations such as BUF, CLE, LIT, SDF, BNA, and TUL that aren't served nonstop out of PHX on AA, DL, UA, or B6.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:41 am

Uber change in pickups and drop-offs rules:

New pickup locations

Beginning October 28, 2019, Uber pickups at Boston Logan International Airport (BOS) will start transitioning to the Central Parking garage. Terminal A and C pickups will transition first. Terminal B and E pickups will transition beginning November 4, 2019.

Dropoffs at BOS will move to Central Parking starting in early December 2019.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:32 am

airbazar wrote:
They will about double the number of premium seats, depending on which 77W config they'll use but it's a decrease in Y seats. So business must be really good. Really makes you wonder, what took them so long to come here?


Worth remembering that KE has flown to BOS before -- their JFK service used to continue to BOS in the '90s. Wonder if there's someone at HQ who remembered it struggling?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:41 pm

dtremit wrote:
airbazar wrote:
They will about double the number of premium seats, depending on which 77W config they'll use but it's a decrease in Y seats. So business must be really good. Really makes you wonder, what took them so long to come here?


Worth remembering that KE has flown to BOS before -- their JFK service used to continue to BOS in the '90s. Wonder if there's someone at HQ who remembered it struggling?

I don't think that's a factor. It was a long time ago under completely different market forces.
I suspect that like other carriers they were waiting for a more efficient aircraft, and then found out that the market was strong enough for the type of aircraft they already had.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:50 pm

The KE route was a tag-on to IAD, not JFK, if I recall correctly.

Boston has really spiked, and it all started with the JAL 788 in 2012. That plane (and others in its general class) made opening Boston much more feasible. Of course, the robust and rather 'stable' socio-economic demographics in the Boston metro area are probably an even bigger reason why.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:06 pm

ChrisNH38 wrote:
The KE route was a tag-on to IAD, not JFK, if I recall correctly.

Boston has really spiked, and it all started with the JAL 788 in 2012. That plane (and others in its general class) made opening Boston much more feasible. Of course, the robust and rather 'stable' socio-economic demographics in the Boston metro area are probably an even bigger reason why.


It's interesting you say that about the 788/9 and that has driven a ton of growth, if you think HU with their 2 routes, KE, DY, BA bring it from time to time along with VS, it certainly has had the versatility to handle many routes, however I am just as impressed at the use of 77W's and the like and of course next year we'll have 3 388's plying LHR, MUC and DXB for at least the summer season, plus let's not forget the multitude of 330's.

Next week Mrs VS is off to PHL for the week, so I am going to have time to finish my 2009-2019 international analysis where you will see a lot of the above come out, I've already done Europe separately, but figured adding ROW will show just how far we have come.

if we hark back to the heady days of 2012, we did a grand total of 4.3m pax for the whole year

Caribbean - 761K
Canada - 614K
Europe - 2.9m
Asia - 79K

compare that to the latest numbers for September YTD 2019 and of course, still 3 months to come on top of this.

Caribbean - 1m
Canada - 761K (and this is with the big reductions by WS)
Central AM - 270K
Europe - 3.3m
Mid East - 532K
South Am - 82K
Asia - 458K (let's reflect on that growth for a minute, compared to JL starting up above)
Africa - 17K

Total: roughly 6.5m with 3 months to go, last year we did roughly 1.6m in the last 3 months of the year, so we are going to fly (pardon the pun) past 8m..

so in 7 years, not quite doubled... but that's some scary growth and once E is finished and with the growth from B6 and DL and others to come, I am sure that 10m is quite possible.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:22 pm

I guess since JAL started this ball rolling back in 2012, I wonder why they aren't doing a KE and shifting to a 77W themselves. Anecdotally, my JAL flights several weeks ago BOS-NRT-BOS were jammed. Mine was a Friday going over and a Sunday coming back.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:50 pm

I think it's worth noting that while not publicly made obvious, more than a few of the traditional terminal E carriers were extremely close to going seasonal or pulling out of Boston entirely less than 10 years ago.

The 787 really did have a great effect in Boston. JAL made it work, and brought to light that Boston-Asia is worth it.

Of course there's a whole bunch of other reasons as well, but regardless, it's great to see the growth.

And as a personal anecdote, the 77w is an unbelievable aircraft. It will take everything you want, load all the pax you could want, and still has the range to take it all halfway around the planet. I've worked on a wide variety of aircraft, and nothing (not even the dear old 747) can match it.

We really do luck out with the variety we get. 757, 767 748, 787, 777, 350, 340, 330, 380. really a huge mix for what is in the grand scheme of things, not an enormous global airport

That said, I think the A350 is going to come to prominence in Boston next summer...
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:23 pm

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That said, I think the A350 is going to come to prominence in Boston next summer...


Let's unpack this rumor, Airlines operating to BOS that fly the A350:

British Airways:
Air France:
Virgin Atlantic:
SAS: Unlikely based on the loads we have seen.
LATAM: Unlikely due to their fleet strategy.
Cathay Pacific: Could they down gauge do to tensions in HK?
Lufthansa: Unlikely unless they base some at FRA.
Delta:
Iberia: Is it time for an upgauge?
Japan Airlines: The least likely to bring the A350 since it is configured for regional use.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:25 pm

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That said, I think the A350 is going to come to prominence in Boston next summer...

Interesting...let's look at the possibilities.
AF - Just received their first A350s, unlikely, but certainly a possibility
BA - Similar to AF, unlikely, but possible
CX - If they desire to make most NA stations A350, could see this one happening, depending on seat config. could be increase or decrease in capacity
DL - certainly a long shot, however, if DL wants to be a "Global Hub" could be the next step
HU - change PVG to A350? Possible
IB - A346 are occasionally seen at BOS, would be logical replacement
JL - using 350s domestically/regionally, not likely
LA/JJ - would probably increase to daily before increasing to 350
LH - considering they are bringing the whale, not likely other than off-season substitution
QR - possibly, if they decide to decrease capacity from 777
SK - would be shocked
VS - possible
Out of those have to say feels like it could be VS or BA bringing their 350s which be a large upgrade in the product. Really, most of those airlines are a possibility though.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:33 pm

I know that BA has 787-10s due, which I think is a more suitable aircraft for Boston than the A350-1000.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:40 pm

NickolayAv wrote:
FGITD wrote:
That said, I think the A350 is going to come to prominence in Boston next summer...

Interesting...let's look at the possibilities.
AF - Just received their first A350s, unlikely, but certainly a possibility
BA - Similar to AF, unlikely, but possible
CX - If they desire to make most NA stations A350, could see this one happening, depending on seat config. could be increase or decrease in capacity
DL - certainly a long shot, however, if DL wants to be a "Global Hub" could be the next step
HU - change PVG to A350? Possible
IB - A346 are occasionally seen at BOS, would be logical replacement
JL - using 350s domestically/regionally, not likely
LA/JJ - would probably increase to daily before increasing to 350
LH - considering they are bringing the whale, not likely other than off-season substitution
QR - possibly, if they decide to decrease capacity from 777
SK - would be shocked
VS - possible
Out of those have to say feels like it could be VS or BA bringing their 350s which be a large upgrade in the product. Really, most of those airlines are a possibility though.


What makes me think that AF/BA/VS would be interested in bringing it would mostly be to flex their muscles on their respective routes. With signs that the AA JV is now ready to fight back a little against the growing presence of the DL JV
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:41 pm

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AF has a bunch and LH will use the A350 intermixed with the A346 until the A380 comes.

Then!!! We know that Aeroflot has 14 A350s :D :chat:


Keep in mind though the rumor specifically states "summer"
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:43 pm

jworks158 wrote:
ChrisNH38 wrote:
AF has a bunch and LH will use the A350 intermixed with the A346 until the A380 comes.

Then!!! We know that Aeroflot has 14 A350s :D :chat:


Keep in mind though the rumor specifically states "summer"


And I pissed on my own joke once I realized that Aeroflot ORDERED the A350 but doesn't have any yet.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:57 pm

ChrisNH38 wrote:
jworks158 wrote:
ChrisNH38 wrote:
AF has a bunch and LH will use the A350 intermixed with the A346 until the A380 comes.

Then!!! We know that Aeroflot has 14 A350s :D :chat:


Keep in mind though the rumor specifically states "summer"


And I pissed on my own joke once I realized that Aeroflot ORDERED the A350 but doesn't have any yet.


However it did roll of the FAL this week, so technically it could be ready for the summer...
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:11 pm

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The KE route was a tag-on to IAD, not JFK, if I recall correctly.


I think it may have been both at various times. That said, in spring of 1998 it definitely routed through JFK.

I had a well-meaning AA agent try to reroute me via the JFK-BOS leg in IRROPS, without realizing the passengers didn't clear customs before proceeding to BOS. I wasn't able to board, of course, and my bag sat in the KE baggage office for three weeks.

Glad it happened, though, as it was my one time seeing the TW terminal before it closed.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:40 pm

Now this would be interesting (and likely decades away):

https://commonwealthmagazine.org/transp ... 15-levels/

Former state transportation secretary Fred Salvucci warned on Monday that Logan International Airport needs a lot more transportation capacity.

In remarks to the state’s two transportation boards, Salvucci offered a tweak of the design of gthe North South Rail Link as one way of relieving congestion at the airport. Instead of running two tracks in each direction north to south, Salvucci suggested having one track in each direction running north-south and one track in each direction headed to the airport. He said the additional rail link to the airport is needed to relieve congestion.

“The airport is actually going to choke without more capacity,” he said.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:53 pm

NickolayAv wrote:
FGITD wrote:
That said, I think the A350 is going to come to prominence in Boston next summer...

Interesting...let's look at the possibilities.
AF - Just received their first A350s, unlikely, but certainly a possibility
BA - Similar to AF, unlikely, but possible
CX - If they desire to make most NA stations A350, could see this one happening, depending on seat config. could be increase or decrease in capacity
DL - certainly a long shot, however, if DL wants to be a "Global Hub" could be the next step
HU - change PVG to A350? Possible
IB - A346 are occasionally seen at BOS, would be logical replacement
JL - using 350s domestically/regionally, not likely
LA/JJ - would probably increase to daily before increasing to 350
LH - considering they are bringing the whale, not likely other than off-season substitution
QR - possibly, if they decide to decrease capacity from 777
SK - would be shocked
VS - possible
Out of those have to say feels like it could be VS or BA bringing their 350s which be a large upgrade in the product. Really, most of those airlines are a possibility though.


LH 425 BOS-MUC is operating the A350-900 tonight and has since 2017
 
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:57 pm

N983AN wrote:

LH 425 BOS-MUC is operating the A350-900 tonight and has since 2017


Actually, it's the A340-600 (15-year-old D-AIHD) tonight. It has been the A346 for quite a while, although through the winter the A350 will make appearances from time to time.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:02 pm

ChrisNH38 wrote:
N983AN wrote:

LH 425 BOS-MUC is operating the A350-900 tonight and has since 2017


Actually, it's the A340-600 (15-year-old D-AIHD) tonight. It has been the A346 for quite a while, although through the winter the A350 will make appearances from time to time.


Correct, the A340-600 returned to the route daily starting in march. Routes online responded to me saying,
mostly A340-600. selected dates towards the end of November and December shows 350

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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:07 pm

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Now this would be interesting (and likely decades away):

https://commonwealthmagazine.org/transp ... 15-levels/

Former state transportation secretary Fred Salvucci warned on Monday that Logan International Airport needs a lot more transportation capacity.

In remarks to the state’s two transportation boards, Salvucci offered a tweak of the design of gthe North South Rail Link as one way of relieving congestion at the airport. Instead of running two tracks in each direction north to south, Salvucci suggested having one track in each direction running north-south and one track in each direction headed to the airport. He said the additional rail link to the airport is needed to relieve congestion.

“The airport is actually going to choke without more capacity,” he said.


Tracks are already there: The Blue Line.
Maybe drill a tunnel from South Station to Jenney Plaza (near Grain Exchange) where the South Station trains will connect to the Blue Line tracks and stop at Aquarium before heading to the airport..
Also a new T-station at TD Garden/North Station needs to be built. Right under Causeway street.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:21 pm

ChrisNH38 wrote:
I guess since JAL started this ball rolling back in 2012, I wonder why they aren't doing a KE and shifting to a 77W themselves.

JAL is notoriously conservative but they have been increasing their offering consistently. The route started as a 4x weekly only with a 788. Today it operates daily with a 789. That's a doubling of the weekly seats on this route.
I don't know what 789 config they use on this route but their premium heavy 789 actually has more J seats than the 77W's do (52 vs 49). The 77W's do have 8 F seats. If this is predominantly a business route and they don't need the extra Y seats then the 789 seems to be the more appropriate airplane for the route. Given the low density, it can probably haul a good amount of cargo too.

jworks158 wrote:
FGITD wrote:
That said, I think the A350 is going to come to prominence in Boston next summer...

Let's unpack this rumor, Airlines operating to BOS that fly the A350


I didn't take his comment as a rumor. More like a prediction since the A350 (and 787) will become the predominant long haul aircraft just about everywhere. Maybe not next Summer right away, but at some point in the near future. AF, BA, LH, IB are all in the process of replacing their 777's/A340's with A350's. Given the problems in HKG I would be surprised if they don't down gauge BOS to the A359.

LH interchanges the A359 and A346 on the MUC route constantly. On any given day any of them will show up as it happened to me this year. Both have about the same number of seats. Eventually it will be all A359 as they retire the last of the A346's.

BOSMEMFlyer wrote:
Now this would be interesting (and likely decades away):

https://commonwealthmagazine.org/transp ... 15-levels/

Former state transportation secretary Fred Salvucci warned on Monday that Logan International Airport needs a lot more transportation capacity..


It should be more than in interesting idea. Our entire public transportation infrastructure needs a complete overhaul but no one wants to pay for it and prefer to just complain about it. Boston needs a "Circle Line" desperately: Brookline-Back Bay-South Boston-Seaport-Airport-Chelsea-Malden-Somerville-Cambridge-Watertown-Alston-Brookline.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:48 pm

airbazar wrote:
It should be more than in interesting idea. Our entire public transportation infrastructure needs a complete overhaul but no one wants to pay for it and prefer to just complain about it. Boston needs a "Circle Line" desperately: Brookline-Back Bay-South Boston-Seaport-Airport-Chelsea-Malden-Somerville-Cambridge-Watertown-Alston-Brookline.


That was supposed to be the Urban Ring, sort of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_Ring_Project_(MBTA)

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