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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:33 pm

mikegigs wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
adamh8297 wrote:


Looks like we will find out Monday about the schedule. Also - do they have more check-in lanes open for HU due to having the two flights leave at the same time? Also are they dedicated for each flight which is the norm in non-US airports. I'm sure a Swissport or the like handles everything so its seems possible.


Anyone seen anything out of Japan today about the schedules? I looked in the other thread and nada.


Only found this from a few hours ago: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 20-461965/

Looks like they're only expanding to SFO in the US. Adding a flight to NRT in addition to HND. Nothing about BOS tho....


I saw that last week, and with that being a NRT add I don't think it's also part of the HND adds. I guess we wait and see still....
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:40 pm

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Good walk thru on Channel 5 about the rideshare pickup changes including them timing how long it takes to get there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk_g1iyRW-M

Also an interesting blog post I saw on twitter about the extremely long wait time for cabs during night time arrivals in BOS http://amateurplanner.blogspot.com/2019 ... itter.html


Thanks for posting these. Except for maybe some elevator issues, I suspect the walk from C to the central garage for departures is actually shorter than the horrible C/E shared lot has been, and with a lot less snow, rain, and ice. Of course, the drop-off delay makes up for that somewhat.

I've run into the issue with pickups much earlier than the blog author notes -- even as early as 8pm or 9pm I've occasionally had a 30-40 minute wait for a Lyft/Uber request to be accepted. I think that's one of the strongest arguments against the supposed benefits of Uber and Lyft's surge pricing -- here you have a situation where people would gladly pay more and the system still isn't providing drivers.

I agree with the author that creating a designated TNC(/taxi) area at a Silver Line station somewhere across the harbor would make a bigger dent in the issue than anything Massport is doing with central parking. But of course, a pickup at South Station doesn't pay tunnel tolls or airport fees...
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:50 pm

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BOS is number three for number of business passengers going non stop for BA. Also it is the highest nonstop route yield wise.
https://www.anna.aero/2019/11/01/reveal ... ess-class/


Pretty sure someone said a version of the bolded text on here back in 2015 or so. I didn't doubt it, but didn't see any statistics to back it up. Interesting to know that (assuming it was true then) it has held.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:50 pm

Appears SY is adding BOS-MSN, 2x weekly starting this spring
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:53 pm

aaflyer777 wrote:
Appears SY is adding BOS-MSN, 2x weekly starting this spring


Not the first carrier I would have suspected for that route, but nice to see the service.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:13 pm

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Appears SY is adding BOS-MSN, 2x weekly starting this spring


As someone who sorely needs a link from BOS-MSN this is bitter sweet.

I hope Delta picks up the route at some point. Those of us who care to fly this route need an airline to serve it reliably. Say we have weather or an issue with the plane, do we simply hope SY will reroute us back tracking through MSP in a timely fashion or send a spare plane?

We used to fly BOS-ORD-MSN all the time - MSN is a great airport but due to the weather between MSN-ORD flights are often cancelled or delayed and we often found ourselves in a rental car just driving down to ORD - often enough that we just started flying to ORD all together.

We tried BOS-MKE on various airlines who offered it over the years and had the same problem - with so few flights between BOS-MKE if anything was delayed or cancelled we'd end up in ORD or MDW anyway.

After constantly being inconvenienced and putting up with awful flight schedules we decided we're better off booking ORD with so many convenient options at half the price, the extra hour and a half of driving is hardly worth the headache of making it nonstop from BOS-Wisconsin. It just hasn't been served reliably since the days of Midwest Express and I'm not confident anyone but Delta has the network to do it.

We've considered connecting on Delta in DTW for the future.

I can't be the only person who would book BOS-MSN and would also avoid SY's nonstop for the above reasons.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:33 pm

FWIW JL is hiring a full time cargo ops person. Not sure if they had a full time one before or subbed it out.
http://www.indeed.com/viewjob?from=apps ... 98f405d666
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2019: CX BOS-HKG, WE HKG-HKT, CA HKT-PEK-EWR, B6 EWR-BOS
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:54 pm

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Any reports on how the new Uber/Lyft system is going?

It's painful IMO at-least for me since I pretty much always use Terminal B. The Uber app either fails or gives you an ETA of 7 mins. whereas you can expect at-least one hour worth of a wait. The good thing is that you do not have to wait in the cold weather. I pretty much think most folks are now going to get their designated known driver to the airport vs.waiting this long for Uber.

The good thing although with this move is that it has become much easier to exit the airport :) The bad thing is exiting central parking is really bad. Now bear in mind that is just the first couple of week so Massport may improve as they go through the process.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:37 pm

Formal announcement of SY start from BOS-MSN from May-07. Looks to be a more of a DL flight - let's see if DL enters the race based on the route performance.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/a ... 164365002/

Boston Logan International Airport: Twice-weekly (Sunday/Thursday) flights begin May 7. One-way fares start at $79.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:50 pm

iyerhari wrote:
Formal announcement of SY start from BOS-MSN from May-07. Looks to be a more of a DL flight - let's see if DL enters the race based on the route performance.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/a ... 164365002/

Boston Logan International Airport: Twice-weekly (Sunday/Thursday) flights begin May 7. One-way fares start at $79.


timings:

SY875 MSN 06.30-09.50 BOS 737 47
SY876 BOS 10.40-12.16 MSN 737 47
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:11 am

Just to clarify AS is now in terminal B using B35-B35A... no more C which leads me to believe that those gates are being worked on to open up to the rest of TB and TC
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:25 am

jsteeves3 wrote:
Just to clarify AS is now in terminal B using B35-B35A... no more C which leads me to believe that those gates are being worked on to open up to the rest of TB and TC


Yep C40-C42 and C25 are going to be closed for the best part of 2 years for the project work.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:29 pm

adamh8297 wrote:
FWIW JL is hiring a full time cargo ops person. Not sure if they had a full time one before or subbed it out.
http://www.indeed.com/viewjob?from=apps ... 98f405d666


Looks like it's for JAL directly. A lot of the international airlines have a representative overseeing cargo ops. Usually it's a one person department.

A word of warning for anyone interested in giving it a shot. ( I personally have never worked directly in a cargo department but of course know many who have, and work directly with them daily) If you want an airline job that pays decently (usually) includes more office type work, and can offer you a bit more stability in terms of days, hours etc, then cargo is a good fit. Especially in Boston where none of the international airlines are full freight requiring 3am departures and the like.

BUT if you'd like to work for an airline and actually see your airplanes, handle the aviation side, and work in the traditional airport setting (terminal, with pax/crews) then cargo isn't for you.

I find cargo fascinating, but I'd think it difficult to work in due to to the non aircraft operations aspect of it.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:40 pm

for any star wars geeks here, the UA 738 painted in the new star wars special livery is scheduled to make an appearance at BOS this saturday with a morning turn from ORD.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:55 pm

Looks like TAP's LIS flight will be operating daily from March 2020, and with an A339 too.
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:17 pm

airbazar wrote:
Looks like TAP's LIS flight will be operating daily from March 2020, and with an A339 too.


Wasn't TAP always daily from March on?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:55 pm

jsteeves3 wrote:
Just to clarify AS is now in terminal B using B35-B35A... no more C which leads me to believe that those gates are being worked on to open up to the rest of TB and TC


https://www.massport.com/logan-forward/ ... connector/

Here is the terminal B to C connector project that us now under construction.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:46 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
airbazar wrote:
Looks like TAP's LIS flight will be operating daily from March 2020, and with an A339 too.


Wasn't TAP always daily from March on?


Maybe? I thought it was later. Next year they go daily from March 1st.
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:12 pm

B752OS wrote:
jsteeves3 wrote:
Just to clarify AS is now in terminal B using B35-B35A... no more C which leads me to believe that those gates are being worked on to open up to the rest of TB and TC


https://www.massport.com/logan-forward/ ... connector/

Here is the terminal B to C connector project that us now under construction.

Wow - looks really nice. B-C-E will be seamless.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:25 pm

Now we need an A - B connector.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:34 pm

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Now we need an A - B connector.

And A to E.
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:35 pm

rnav2dlrey wrote:
for any star wars geeks here, the UA 738 painted in the new star wars special livery is scheduled to make an appearance at BOS this saturday with a morning turn from ORD.


EDIT: the frame was delayed during its travels today and will fly different routes than initially scheduled. it won't be in BOS this weekend.
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:57 pm

massachoicetts wrote:
Now we need an A - B connector.

That is on the proposed project list but you are looking at 2023-2024 for that at the earliest
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:29 pm

One new flight we actually do not talk a lot about is the HA BOS-HNL flight due to all of the international additions.

I wasn't sure what to expect for results. Through first four months April 2019-July 2019, the route had 88.7% LF.

By month:
April : 83.2%
May: 83.6%
June: 93.8%
July: 92.0%

I was interested in market stimulation so I also looked at DB1B which is a 10% sample of tickets for a quarter. You can extrapolate to traffic numbers. I did this for all of Hawaii (about 6-7 airports) and then compared top 4 markets (HNL, OGG, KOA, LIH,) + others (ITO etc)

Q2 2018 Hawaii PDEW = 261
Q2 2019 Hawaii PDEW = 332

about 27% Market Increase to the Aloha State from BOS based on the extrapolation.

Markets = Q2-2018 PDEW, Q2-2019 PDEW

HNL = 133, 208
OGG = 62, 60
KOA = 30, 30
LIH = 29, 32
Others = 4,5

Not a large bump in anything but HNL. I may look at other numbers such as HA/B6 market share, possible connecting markets which I may be able to figure out (look at B6 or HA coded tickets), are a couple of particular islands weighted on arriving to Hawaii vs departing Hawaii, etc,

I do think there is some low-fare B6 feed to HNL on this route (PHL, BUF, PIT, NYC)

airbazar wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
airbazar wrote:
Looks like TAP's LIS flight will be operating daily from March 2020, and with an A339 too.


Wasn't TAP always daily from March on?


Maybe? I thought it was later. Next year they go daily from March 1st.


From looking at T-100 it wasn't daily all of March 2019 so it either went daily mid-late March or April 1 2019.
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2019: CX BOS-HKG, WE HKG-HKT, CA HKT-PEK-EWR, B6 EWR-BOS
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:48 pm

It looks like AA is rotating the 777 up from MIA for the London flight. On random days in April it comes up in the afternoon as AA1170 then goes on to LHR and goes back down as AA29 after arriving from LHR.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:01 am

I don’t think PHL nor CLT are 777 bases for AA meaning it would have to rotate through MIA DFW or back through LHR but I believe the schedule between arrival and departure at BOS would be excessive to rotate through LHR
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:51 am

RL757PVD wrote:
I don’t think PHL nor CLT are 777 bases for AA meaning it would have to rotate through MIA DFW or back through LHR but I believe the schedule between arrival and departure at BOS would be excessive to rotate through LHR


With Delta adding so much widebody capacity and their tendency almost always rotate through AMS/CDG/LHR, how much ramp space is available in the first place to house a 777 all afternoon?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:33 pm

adamh8297 wrote:
One new flight we actually do not talk a lot about is the HA BOS-HNL flight due to all of the international additions.

I wasn't sure what to expect for results. Through first four months April 2019-July 2019, the route had 88.7% LF.

By month:
April : 83.2%
May: 83.6%
June: 93.8%
July: 92.0%


Isn't this really good or could it be termed spectacular? I mean to endure a nonstop 10+hour direct flight, is not easy. The flight time almost equal to LHR-BOM in terms of distance - maybe longer by an hour.
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:39 pm

jspams20 wrote:
RL757PVD wrote:
I don’t think PHL nor CLT are 777 bases for AA meaning it would have to rotate through MIA DFW or back through LHR but I believe the schedule between arrival and departure at BOS would be excessive to rotate through LHR


With Delta adding so much widebody capacity and their tendency almost always rotate through AMS/CDG/LHR, how much ramp space is available in the first place to house a 777 all afternoon?


That’s probably why they have to rotate it out and not have it sit and go back to LHR.
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:35 pm

adamh8297 wrote:
Not a large bump in anything but HNL. I may look at other numbers such as HA/B6 market share, possible connecting markets which I may be able to figure out (look at B6 or HA coded tickets), are a couple of particular islands weighted on arriving to Hawaii vs departing Hawaii, etc,

I'm not surprised that only HNL saw direct growth. If you have to connect somewhere to get to the other islands, it's a lot better to connect somewhere in between than to have to endure 10+ hours in Y.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:41 pm

airbazar wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
airbazar wrote:
Looks like TAP's LIS flight will be operating daily from March 2020, and with an A339 too.


Wasn't TAP always daily from March on?


Maybe? I thought it was later. Next year they go daily from March 1st.

Confirmed by the OAG thread this morning 0.7>1.0 meaning daily from 3/1
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:41 pm

airbazar wrote:
adamh8297 wrote:
Not a large bump in anything but HNL. I may look at other numbers such as HA/B6 market share, possible connecting markets which I may be able to figure out (look at B6 or HA coded tickets), are a couple of particular islands weighted on arriving to Hawaii vs departing Hawaii, etc,

I'm not surprised that only HNL saw direct growth. If you have to connect somewhere to get to the other islands, it's a lot better to connect somewhere in between than to have to endure 10+ hours in Y.


I agree - I would rather do BOS-SFO-OGG than BOS-HNL-OGG in Y.

To follow up on some other numbers.

1)The DB1B carrier information is imperfect since I think interlines (i.e. DL BOS-LAX + HA LAX-OGG or B6 BOS-JFK HA + JFK-HNL) come up as "99" as carrier.

But for Q2 2019 here's the market share for Hawaii I can expand on the individual markets like OGG and KOA if folks want me to. Not surprised at 1-2. I am surprised at AS getting anything since their Hawaii schedule doesn't sync well with BOS flights.

HA 43.7%
UA 22.9%
AA 14.8%
Multiple Carriers - 10.2%
DL - 5.7%
AS - 2.4%
SY - 0.05% (Not a joke)
WN - 0.01% (also not a joke)

EDIT: here's Q2 2018 Market Share for Boston-Hawaii

UA: 39.2%
AA: 30.0%
Multiple Carriers: 14.9%
DL: 10.1%
AS: 5.8%



2)For directional splits - Both Q2 2019 and 2018 had more passengers coming back to BOS by 5-10% for the quarters and there were not any major changes. It is not as dramatic as splits we have seen with ME3 numbers. I thought HNL may have been weighted on one side since people may be flying into HNL for a specific cruise and leaving via KOA or OGG.
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2019: CX BOS-HKG, WE HKG-HKT, CA HKT-PEK-EWR, B6 EWR-BOS
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:30 pm

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I don’t think PHL nor CLT are 777 bases for AA meaning it would have to rotate through MIA DFW or back through LHR but I believe the schedule between arrival and departure at BOS would be excessive to rotate through LHR


They could theoretically also rotate it through JFK -- wasted capacity, to be sure, but they have done it with the A321T for ages.
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:58 pm

VS4ever wrote:
jsteeves3 wrote:
Just to clarify AS is now in terminal B using B35-B35A... no more C which leads me to believe that those gates are being worked on to open up to the rest of TB and TC


Yep C40-C42 and C25 are going to be closed for the best part of 2 years for the project work.


Is B6 getting more gate space before these become available? I just saw a bunch of adds on their most recent schedule extension. Some of it is seasonal adds, but I'm thinking about 10 new additional flights that should persist past summer. Which would bring them in the 190 range this point next year and close to 200 if they decide to announce more adds later. And given they normally max out at 8 turns per gate, seems like they are close to maxing out. Are TP and EI going to E next year? That would free up some gate space.
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:37 pm

tphuang wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
jsteeves3 wrote:
Just to clarify AS is now in terminal B using B35-B35A... no more C which leads me to believe that those gates are being worked on to open up to the rest of TB and TC


Yep C40-C42 and C25 are going to be closed for the best part of 2 years for the project work.


Is B6 getting more gate space before these become available? I just saw a bunch of adds on their most recent schedule extension. Some of it is seasonal adds, but I'm thinking about 10 new additional flights that should persist past summer. Which would bring them in the 190 range this point next year and close to 200 if they decide to announce more adds later. And given they normally max out at 8 turns per gate, seems like they are close to maxing out. Are TP and EI going to E next year? That would free up some gate space.


Not aware of any, or of TP and EI moving, and they almost certainly can’t until the E extension is finished to be honest.

Let’s remember the original plan was B6 got access to E1 but in reality they have access up to E4, they even have the double screens and naming convention (C5-C7) for those 3 gates. That should help morning and lunchtime until the international crowd start arriving. Otherwise it’s pretty much you have what you have.
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:44 pm

tphuang wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
jsteeves3 wrote:
Just to clarify AS is now in terminal B using B35-B35A... no more C which leads me to believe that those gates are being worked on to open up to the rest of TB and TC


Yep C40-C42 and C25 are going to be closed for the best part of 2 years for the project work.


Is B6 getting more gate space before these become available? I just saw a bunch of adds on their most recent schedule extension. Some of it is seasonal adds, but I'm thinking about 10 new additional flights that should persist past summer. Which would bring them in the 190 range this point next year and close to 200 if they decide to announce more adds later. And given they normally max out at 8 turns per gate, seems like they are close to maxing out. Are TP and EI going to E next year? That would free up some gate space.


There will be a new gate once the project is done that will belong to B6. It's really going to be a nice project once complete.
 
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Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:03 am

Do we have any #'s for At CMN-BOS-CMN? Is the route performing well for AT?
 
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Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:11 am

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Do we have any #'s for At CMN-BOS-CMN? Is the route performing well for AT?


I posted the ones we had back up thread, their loads aren’t earth shattering in the 70% range, hopefully the yields will be ok due to limited competition
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:57 am

dtremit wrote:
RL757PVD wrote:
I don’t think PHL nor CLT are 777 bases for AA meaning it would have to rotate through MIA DFW or back through LHR but I believe the schedule between arrival and departure at BOS would be excessive to rotate through LHR


They could theoretically also rotate it through JFK -- wasted capacity, to be sure, but they have done it with the A321T for ages.


More than likely BOS-base trip for F/As and cockpit crews from DFW/MIA/JFK LAA 777 base as 'W' pairing XXX-LHR-BOS-LHR-XXX like RDU-LHR is crewed.
 
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Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:36 am

N983AN wrote:
dtremit wrote:
RL757PVD wrote:
I don’t think PHL nor CLT are 777 bases for AA meaning it would have to rotate through MIA DFW or back through LHR but I believe the schedule between arrival and departure at BOS would be excessive to rotate through LHR


They could theoretically also rotate it through JFK -- wasted capacity, to be sure, but they have done it with the A321T for ages.


More than likely BOS-base trip for F/As and cockpit crews from DFW/MIA/JFK LAA 777 base as 'W' pairing XXX-LHR-BOS-LHR-XXX like RDU-LHR is crewed.


Don’t forget ORD-LHR will have one 772 frequency.

BOS-LHR arrives at 7:30 a.m., LHR-ORD departs at 9:15 a.m.

Though, it could be any other 772 route of course.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:52 am

STN really wants BOS/JFK flights to return. I bet they are contacting Long Island City constantly to get a certain carrier to come.

https://www.anna.aero/2019/11/07/london ... here-next/
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2019: CX BOS-HKG, WE HKG-HKT, CA HKT-PEK-EWR, B6 EWR-BOS
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:27 pm

FYI the A220-300 Flight Test Aircraft MSN 2 is on the ground at terminal C today for tours to B6 employees.

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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:42 pm

adamh8297 wrote:
STN really wants BOS/JFK flights to return. I bet they are contacting Long Island City constantly to get a certain carrier to come.

https://www.anna.aero/2019/11/07/london ... here-next/


I don't doubt that there's strong demand ex-STN for flights to BOS, but as B6 would largely be catering to pax ex-BOS, I don't see STN being that appealing. The train to central London is even longer than the one from Gatwick.

The one wildcard is pharma -- there might just be enough R&D traffic between the two Cambridges to fill the Mint cabin.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:44 pm

VS4ever wrote:
georgiabill wrote:
Do we have any #'s for At CMN-BOS-CMN? Is the route performing well for AT?


I posted the ones we had back up thread, their loads aren’t earth shattering in the 70% range, hopefully the yields will be ok due to limited competition


Any idea how AT's loads in BOS compare to their other new US stations - MIA & IAD?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:03 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
georgiabill wrote:
Do we have any #'s for At CMN-BOS-CMN? Is the route performing well for AT?


I posted the ones we had back up thread, their loads aren’t earth shattering in the 70% range, hopefully the yields will be ok due to limited competition


Any idea how AT's loads in BOS compare to their other new US stations - MIA & IAD?


First month in Miami, April 2019, was 62.4%

For IAD Jan-April 2019 was 62.2% and JFK was 70.9% in the same period.

Regardless of these numbers AT and AA recently filed for codesharing on each others flights which will surely be a boost for MIA and the seasonal PHL-CMN flight on AA.

Also I cannot pull up connections through BOS with B6-AT interlines. They push everything through JFK on ITA and AT's website.
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2019: CX BOS-HKG, WE HKG-HKT, CA HKT-PEK-EWR, B6 EWR-BOS
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:47 pm

dtremit wrote:
adamh8297 wrote:
STN really wants BOS/JFK flights to return. I bet they are contacting Long Island City constantly to get a certain carrier to come.

https://www.anna.aero/2019/11/07/london ... here-next/


I don't doubt that there's strong demand ex-STN for flights to BOS, but as B6 would largely be catering to pax ex-BOS, I don't see STN being that appealing. The train to central London is even longer than the one from Gatwick.

The one wildcard is pharma -- there might just be enough R&D traffic between the two Cambridges to fill the Mint cabin.


For me STN just doesn't strike me as a "London airport". I have used the airport because my sister lives north of there and I would love a BOS-STN route for that purpose only but I would never think about using it if my final destination is London.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:01 pm

I have never been to London but found this article rather interesting. This has comparisons and i said earlier - i can only go by the spirit of the article. Caveat I do not know how bad is immigration at LHR as i always find that place to be very busy.

https://www.tripindicator.com/which-lon ... entre.html
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:04 pm

airbazar wrote:
adamh8297 wrote:
Not a large bump in anything but HNL. I may look at other numbers such as HA/B6 market share, possible connecting markets which I may be able to figure out (look at B6 or HA coded tickets), are a couple of particular islands weighted on arriving to Hawaii vs departing Hawaii, etc,

I'm not surprised that only HNL saw direct growth. If you have to connect somewhere to get to the other islands, it's a lot better to connect somewhere in between than to have to endure 10+ hours in Y.


Did bos-hnl-koa and back in Sept. Both long flights were full. Would have connected on west coast but HA tickets were just $502. I couldn't get a another price close to that. HA service was good but seats were a little hard.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:02 am

airbazar wrote:
For me STN just doesn't strike me as a "London airport". I have used the airport because my sister lives north of there and I would love a BOS-STN route for that purpose only but I would never think about using it if my final destination is London.


It's certainly very popular among the London budget holiday crowd (and Ryanair's largest base, I think). But not a premium airport by any stretch. I'm not sure how successful Primera was on BOS-STN specifically, but the chatter I heard about it exclusively was around how cheap it was.

iyerhari wrote:
I have never been to London but found this article rather interesting. This has comparisons and i said earlier - i can only go by the spirit of the article. Caveat I do not know how bad is immigration at LHR as i always find that place to be very busy.

https://www.tripindicator.com/which-lon ... entre.html


I would take that with a grain of salt -- it's missing all the train connections for STN. There's Stansted Express service to Liverpool St (which also stops at Tottenham Hale for tube connections). I know those were around at least back around maybe 2005 which is the one time I've actually flown there.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:00 pm

Many of you have probably already seen this is the dedicated thread, however, I thought it was worth mentioning here too.
Austrian Airlines is starting service to Boston as of next year.
Starting 3/29/2020 with a 4 weekly service, to be upgauged to 6 weekly by mid April.

OS091 VIE 1:25pm - BOS 4:30pm
OS092 BOS 6:15pm - VIE 08:25am +1
B767-300

Definitely a welcome addition. I do wonder where they are getting the gate from.
Boston is continuing to close its holes in Europe. Hopefully, this route does well from Boston!
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