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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:06 pm

dtremit wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
VS4ever wrote:

Yes quite strange, although they make a caveat to the data by saying it's the top 30 metros with the most tech jobs with salaries. So if the likes of Dell and co in Austin for example, don't put projected salaries in their listings, then they wouldn't count and thus skew the data.


The San Diego Tribune (Hired) comes to a completely different conclusion:

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/bu ... s-hope-yet


They're working from similar unadjusted salary data but making different conclusions about CoL. It might be that one is comparing city centers vs MSA in the other, or that one is comparing only housing costs vs the other considering other factors. I wish I had references, but among the similar studies I've seen, the Hired one is the outlier.

(Edited to add: fair point about the data set, but San Antonio is in the list; I suspect there are more non-Dell tech jobs in Austin than total jobs in San Antonio. I was including it for the Raleigh comparision.)


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Some of this is also being driven by a change in ideals. The house, the yard, cars, two cats in the yard (la la la...)... the American Dream is something that was highly desirable for the Greatest Generation and the Boomers, largely spurred by the post WW2 era and the New Deal.

Those things aren’t as highly desirable for the post boomer generations. They tend to value a community that integrates the workplace and personal lives and they highly prioritize convenience. They don’t value big box stores or chain restaurants. I’m 40... I would need more than two hands to count the number of couples I know who got married, had kids, moved to the burbs and then moved back closer in.


+1 on this -- I'm 39 and live in Somerville, and I know a lot of people looking for more space. But the idea of moving past 128 is almost unthinkable for most of them (and the few that have moved did so to make a commute shorter). Good friends of ours just moved to Winchester (after trying to land a successful bid in Belmont and Arlington for a year) and the running joke is to ask them about the weather in New Hampshire.

It's definitely a generational thing. My dad is Silent Generation, and the first thing he did when he had a good salary was move as far outside the city (in his case, Detroit) as he could. He's still there; every time he visits Boston he marvels at how I put up with traffic and parking, and every time I visit him, I marvel at how he can stand driving 15 minutes to buy a loaf of bread :lol:


I have a cheat code for this, it’s called living in Waltham or Newton. Rent is still reasonable in both towns if not better than In the city, highway access for 95 and 90 is amazing, easy to get into the city or deeper into the burbs on back roads. Plenty of restaurants and entertainment options but also you have trees and a lawn and a driveway and are only 15-20 minutes tops from anywhere in all of Boston / Cambridge. Public transportation options are pretty good as well.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:54 pm

It is not just a generational thing, but often simply a response to population growth and the resulting pressure on housing and services.
Metro Boston population over the last 10 years has grown about 10% (https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2019/ ... story.html). That immediately leads to more traffic jams, higher home prices and higher rent. So, instead of sitting in traffic for 4 hours per day just to commute to your job - worse than decades before - you better live inside 128.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:03 pm

Well Well Well, this is very interesting.

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

It's in it's own thread, but highly relevant to ours. AA weighing on AUS-BOS with not 1, but double daily Mon-Fri.. With B6 and DL already on the route (can't remember if WN threw in the towel on this one yet), but it's going to be at least 5-6 daily on weekdays now. Starts April 7th.

Timings
AUS 0615 - 11.00BOS 738 x67
AUS 1630 - 2115 BOS 738 x67
AUS 1000 - 1445 BOS 738 7

BOS 1145 - 15.10 AUS 738 x 67
BOS 2005 - 2330 AUS 738 x67
BOS 1530 - 1855 AUS 738 7

This is certainly a turn up for the books, maybe there is some life for AA in BOS yet. Won't be bookable until 12/16

There are also some specific event flights for the US Masters to AGS, the Kentucky Derby to SDF and Omaha (OMA), but those have not had timings released yet and are not bookable until 12/22
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:33 pm

Pretty interesting they're adding short run service to Omaha for the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:45 pm

I wonder if this is the start of more P2P flights out of BOS, AA has a lot of gates to play around with and they still have a decent sized FF base in BOS
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:06 pm

BOS-AUS is not a 4 carrier market... this is a land grab for the big tech contracts, have to wonder if WN will ultimately throw in the towel since they were already weakest in the market.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:14 pm

Also, AC announcing seasonal Calgary-Boston
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/air-cana ... 00683.html
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:21 pm

aaflyer777 wrote:
I wonder if this is the start of more P2P flights out of BOS, AA has a lot of gates to play around with and they still have a decent sized FF base in BOS


It could be, or it could the AUS side, cause they added SJC and SJD from there as well. You could see them expand to bring some traffic on the LHR flight as well
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:27 pm

VS4ever wrote:
Well Well Well, this is very interesting.

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

It's in it's own thread, but highly relevant to ours. AA weighing on AUS-BOS with not 1, but double daily Mon-Fri.. With B6 and DL already on the route (can't remember if WN threw in the towel on this one yet), but it's going to be at least 5-6 daily on weekdays now. Starts April 7th.

Timings
AUS 0615 - 11.00BOS 738 x67
AUS 1630 - 2115 BOS 738 x67
AUS 1000 - 1445 BOS 738 7

BOS 1145 - 15.10 AUS 738 x 67
BOS 2005 - 2330 AUS 738 x67
BOS 1530 - 1855 AUS 738 7

This is certainly a turn up for the books, maybe there is some life for AA in BOS yet. Won't be bookable until 12/16

There are also some specific event flights for the US Masters to AGS, the Kentucky Derby to SDF and Omaha (OMA), but those have not had timings released yet and are not bookable until 12/22

AA is re-entering the BOS fray again! They have added seasonal flights, LHR, and now AUS. It is looking to be a focus city again. It is probably related to the tech contracts - an an example Dell owns EMC and I am sure there are a large number of tech companies with sites in BOS and AUS. It is a 3 legged race with AA, DL and B6.

Came out of nowehere.

As airbazar pointed out, AC also adds seasonal YYC.

BOS would now direct flights to: YYZ, YHZ, YTZ, YOW, YUL

Seasonal: YVR, YYC.

Not a dull moment anymore with BOS!
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:35 pm

iyerhari wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
Well Well Well, this is very interesting.

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

It's in it's own thread, but highly relevant to ours. AA weighing on AUS-BOS with not 1, but double daily Mon-Fri.. With B6 and DL already on the route (can't remember if WN threw in the towel on this one yet), but it's going to be at least 5-6 daily on weekdays now. Starts April 7th.

Timings
AUS 0615 - 11.00BOS 738 x67
AUS 1630 - 2115 BOS 738 x67
AUS 1000 - 1445 BOS 738 7

BOS 1145 - 15.10 AUS 738 x 67
BOS 2005 - 2330 AUS 738 x67
BOS 1530 - 1855 AUS 738 7

This is certainly a turn up for the books, maybe there is some life for AA in BOS yet. Won't be bookable until 12/16

There are also some specific event flights for the US Masters to AGS, the Kentucky Derby to SDF and Omaha (OMA), but those have not had timings released yet and are not bookable until 12/22

AA is re-entering the BOS fray again! They have added seasonal flights, LHR, and now AUS. It is looking to be a focus city again. It is probably related to the tech contracts - an an example Dell owns EMC and I am sure there are a large number of tech companies with sites in BOS and AUS. It is a 3 legged race with AA, DL and B6.

Came out of nowehere.

As airbazar pointed out, AC also adds seasonal YYC.

BOS would now direct flights to: YYZ, YHZ, YTZ, YOW, YUL

Seasonal: YVR, YYC.

Not a dull moment anymore with BOS!


Well as my company (not really tech) has offices in both cities (BOS and AUS), lower prices down there and better schedules are always welcome. A far cry from B6's single daily that was always delayed and got in after midnight.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:54 pm

iyerhari wrote:
AA is re-entering the BOS fray again! They have added seasonal flights, LHR, and now AUS. It is looking to be a focus city again. It is probably related to the tech contracts - an an example Dell owns EMC and I am sure there are a large number of tech companies with sites in BOS and AUS. It is a 3 legged race with AA, DL and B6.

Lets hope so but I'm still skeptical. The cynic in me thinks this is also about securing gates to fight off competition.
Massport has a sort of "use it or lose it" policy on the gate leases. Massport prefers short term leases. AA is the only airline currently still with long term gate leases and a bunch of those expire in 2021 and the rest in 2023. They already lost a bunch of gates, 6 IIRC. I don't think they want to lose more.
https://www.massport.com/media/3102/fin ... -2019a.pdf (pages A22-23)
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:31 pm

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Lets hope so but I'm still skeptical. The cynic in me thinks this is also about securing gates to fight off competition.
Massport has a sort of "use it or lose it" policy on the gate leases. Massport prefers short term leases. AA is the only airline currently still with long term gate leases and a bunch of those expire in 2021 and the rest in 2023. They already lost a bunch of gates, 6 IIRC. I don't think they want to lose more.
https://www.massport.com/media/3102/fin ... -2019a.pdf (pages A22-23)

Very interesting insight - didn't know that.

Who knows we can expect they add SFO or SJC :)
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:48 pm

does anyone have an idea whether PDEW for BOS-SNA warrants a daily flight?

with all of the adds over the past few years, it's at the point now where i struggle to think of domestic routes that aren't already covered - SNA sticks out to me as having potential.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:57 pm

Is the AA London flight year-round? I think it probably is but wasn't sure. It would be impressive if they keep it a 777 through next winter; I think their 788s are all spoken for.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:58 pm

rnav2dlrey wrote:
does anyone have an idea whether PDEW for BOS-SNA warrants a daily flight?

with all of the adds over the past few years, it's at the point now where i struggle to think of domestic routes that aren't already covered - SNA sticks out to me as having potential.


adamh8297 is the person who looks at that stuff, I wish this site would have a user tagging system, but oh well. Anyway, the last time he posted the top unserved markets, SNA was not in the top 10 and #10 had 54 PDEW, but as I said, he's the one that can assist with that info.

This was his last post on the subject

DOT Table 6 for Q1 2019 came out this week.

Top 10 Markets unserved from BOS for the Quarter and PDEW for each market was:

1)SAT - 160
2)TUS - 90
3)SDF- 84
4)MEM -78
5)ABQ -75
6)EYW-66 Hmmm.... Interesting to see if there is a boost in 2020 maybe 80-85 from the new flight.
7)GSP-64
8)OMA-58
9)RNO-54
10)GRR-54

Also MSN, usually in the top 10 and planned to be served seasonally by SY, just missed the top 10 with 52.

Interesting that 2 on that list are on the AA Special Events list announced today (SDF and OMA), although we cannot correlate a one-off special with actual service.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:04 pm

SNA I think is included in the LA area total. B6 will add SNA once they get A220-300. They could always drop LGB if that happens.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:21 pm

Well per the post in the AA - BOS-AUS thread, B6 have responded.Triple Daily to AUS including FINALLY a morning flight and we now know where their base expansions are coming from in 2020,

http://otp.investis.com/clients/us/jetb ... wsid=64578
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:31 pm

VS4ever wrote:
Well per the post in the AA - BOS-AUS thread, B6 have responded.Triple Daily to AUS including FINALLY a morning flight and we now know where their base expansions are coming from in 2020,

http://otp.investis.com/clients/us/jetb ... wsid=64578


BOS-AUS is a 500 PDEW market with 3 carriers, two of which are LCC, theres no stimulation left to be had... and now over 1,000 E/W seats in the market.

There's not enough connections on either end for it to not be a bloodbath for all parties involved.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:09 pm

RL757PVD wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
Well per the post in the AA - BOS-AUS thread, B6 have responded.Triple Daily to AUS including FINALLY a morning flight and we now know where their base expansions are coming from in 2020,

http://otp.investis.com/clients/us/jetb ... wsid=64578


BOS-AUS is a 500 PDEW market with 3 carriers, two of which are LCC, theres no stimulation left to be had... and now over 1,000 E/W seats in the market.

There's not enough connections on either end for it to not be a bloodbath for all parties involved.


With the AA and B6 adds, it will now be 1,100 daily seats in each direction, which is more twice the PDEW of the entire Boston region (BOS, PVD, MHT, PSM, ORH)!
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:38 pm

PVD757 wrote:
RL757PVD wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
Well per the post in the AA - BOS-AUS thread, B6 have responded.Triple Daily to AUS including FINALLY a morning flight and we now know where their base expansions are coming from in 2020,

http://otp.investis.com/clients/us/jetb ... wsid=64578


BOS-AUS is a 500 PDEW market with 3 carriers, two of which are LCC, theres no stimulation left to be had... and now over 1,000 E/W seats in the market.

There's not enough connections on either end for it to not be a bloodbath for all parties involved.


With the AA and B6 adds, it will now be 1,100 daily seats in each direction, which is more twice the PDEW of the entire Boston region (BOS, PVD, MHT, PSM, ORH)!


Well looking at the numbers for Jan-August, it appears the PDEW during that time period is roughly 315, for an average of 84% across the 3 carriers. 131 roughly per flight. WELL short of the 1,100 seats that are going to be available next year with the new adds. I still can't believe we've gone from a single daily on B6 to this in the space of a couple of years, talk about piling into a market.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:49 pm

It appears that WestJet wasn't content giving the YYC market up to AC. Gotta love competition.
https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/w ... 63284.html
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:14 pm

NickolayAv wrote:
It appears that WestJet wasn't content giving the YYC market up to AC. Gotta love competition.
https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/w ... 63284.html


Hmmm intriguing to say the least given WS's recent reversals at BOS, which has tanked the Canadian numbers quite a bit YOY, as a result they had the space in the schedule to fit this in, They gave up 3 daily when they cut YUL and YHZ, leaving only YYZ left, so there is room at A1 for more service if they decide to add more. Given their focus looks to be on YYZ, YUL and YOW going forward, maybe YUL will start again especially if the link with DL works out, because they are in position to capitalize on that given their location at BOS.

Seems they have definitely decided that AC isn't going to have it all their own way, now they have Onex backing.
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Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:30 pm

VS4ever wrote:
NickolayAv wrote:
It appears that WestJet wasn't content giving the YYC market up to AC. Gotta love competition.
https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/w ... 63284.html


Hmmm intriguing to say the least given WS's recent reversals at BOS, which has tanked the Canadian numbers quite a bit YOY, as a result they had the space in the schedule to fit this in, They gave up 3 daily when they cut YUL and YHZ, leaving only YYZ left, so there is room at A1 for more service if they decide to add more. Given their focus looks to be on YYZ, YUL and YOW going forward, maybe YUL will start again especially if the link with DL works out, because they are in position to capitalize on that given their location at BOS.

Seems they have definitely decided that AC isn't going to have it all their own way, now they have Onex backing.


Look like it is timed to connect to Delta Transatlantic flights though I wouldn't want to go through US preclearance on my way to Amsterdam.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:56 pm

adamh8297 wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
NickolayAv wrote:
It appears that WestJet wasn't content giving the YYC market up to AC. Gotta love competition.
https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/w ... 63284.html


Hmmm intriguing to say the least given WS's recent reversals at BOS, which has tanked the Canadian numbers quite a bit YOY, as a result they had the space in the schedule to fit this in, They gave up 3 daily when they cut YUL and YHZ, leaving only YYZ left, so there is room at A1 for more service if they decide to add more. Given their focus looks to be on YYZ, YUL and YOW going forward, maybe YUL will start again especially if the link with DL works out, because they are in position to capitalize on that given their location at BOS.

Seems they have definitely decided that AC isn't going to have it all their own way, now they have Onex backing.


Look like it is timed to connect to Delta Transatlantic flights though I wouldn't want to go through US preclearance on my way to Amsterdam.


I really wish i could get screen shots to work on this site, Your point is well made, I just looked at flights for May 15th (I don't think BOS is on sale yet and they would be going up against KLM's non-stop, so yes, pre-clearance is a bit of a disadvantage to a straight shot or maybe worse if DL does indeed flip some of their TATL departures to E, you would have to double clear. Not fun.

However I have to laugh, using google flights, I have found some crazy routings if you plug in YYC-AMS and I quote:

BA - YYC-LHR-LGW-AMS (albeit with a 5 hours layover to get from LHR to LGW)
AA - YYC-DFW - AMS
UA - YYC - IAH - AMS

or let's go with the 2 stoppers:

AC/LH/OS - YYC-FRA-VIE-AMS
UA - YYC-DEN-EWR - AMS
WS/DE/LH - YYC-PDX-FRA-AMS

or the best of all
YYC-SEA-KEF-AMS which runs to 33 hours and 35 minutes if everything is on time. leave at 7,05pm and gets to AMS 12.40pm 2 days later.
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Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:09 am

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I really wish i could get screen shots to work on this site, Your point is well made, I just looked at flights for May 15th (I don't think BOS is on sale yet and they would be going up against KLM's non-stop, so yes, pre-clearance is a bit of a disadvantage to a straight shot or maybe worse if DL does indeed flip some of their TATL departures to E, you would have to double clear. Not fun.

However I have to laugh, using google flights, I have found some crazy routings if you plug in YYC-AMS and I quote:

BA - YYC-LHR-LGW-AMS (albeit with a 5 hours layover to get from LHR to LGW)
AA - YYC-DFW - AMS
UA - YYC - IAH - AMS

or let's go with the 2 stoppers:

AC/LH/OS - YYC-FRA-VIE-AMS
UA - YYC-DEN-EWR - AMS
WS/DE/LH - YYC-PDX-FRA-AMS

or the best of all
YYC-SEA-KEF-AMS which runs to 33 hours and 35 minutes if everything is on time. leave at 7,05pm and gets to AMS 12.40pm 2 days later.


And I bet lots of people take those sorts of routings. We are lucky and spoiled that we live in a place that can get us reasonable fares to just about anywhere in the world with only 1 stop. I have taken routes like that in the past from BOS, back when our intl options were few. Off the top of my head: BOS-IAD-FRA-MUC, BOS-JFK-BRU-VIE, BOS-ORD-LAX-NRT-SIN.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:42 am

June 2019 - Load Factors from the T-100's (non-Europe to start, alphabetical order)

So it's June, the total numbers were big, so you expect the loads to be good and here are the results, last years pax in parentheses.

DOH - QR 89% - 18,902 (15,754)
DXB - EK 92.8% - 28,723 (20,850) (the 380 had quite the impact)
GRU - JJ 90.5% - 7.413
HAV - B6 54.5% - 857 (Kill it,Kill it now!)
HKG - CX 87.1% - 15,357 (14,428) (before all the troubles began)
ICN - KE 85.1% - 10,076 (there's a reason why this is being expanded!)
IST - TK 92.4% - 16,027 (15,956)
MEX - B6 71.3% - 6,600 (no wonder this ended up being axed) (7,553 on AM last year)
NRT - JL 89.6% - 10,488 (10,824)
PEK - HU - 73.5% - 14,549 (13,540) (not much better than PVG, but still more than last year).
PVG - HU - 69.1% - 7,164 (7,088) - my assumption is that is bad, but more pax than last year, go figure..
PTY - CM 90.9% - 13,129 (11,634)
TLV - LY 91.6% - 6,110 (3,494)

Canada
YHZ - Combined 82.2% - 6.858 (10,494)

QK (Jazz) - 82.3% - 6,608 (6,780)
WS - 80.1% - 250 (route killed off this month) - (3,714)

YOW - QK - 81.7% - 3,348 (3,439)
YTZ - PD - 80.2% - 21,669 (21,037)

YUL - Combined 88.1% - 17,031 (22,859) - WS exited in 2018 and managed 5,338.

AC - 93% - 449 (only 4 flights, so maybe a coding issue) - (22)
KV - Sky - 87.4% - 9,558 -
QK - Jazz - 88.7% - 7,024 (17,501)


YVR -AC - 87.8% - 2,081 (6,308) - dropped from 60 flights to 19 YOY.

YYZ - Combined 91.5% - 43,623 (44,460)

AC - 94.8% - 11,554 - all sky last year
KV - 90.2% - 19,322 - 32,394
WS - 90.8% - 12,747 - 12,066



Europe

AMS - Combined 88.7% - 34,390 (28,527) (up over prior year, DL dropped by about 1,000, but market increased due to KL)
DL - 88.9% - 27,494
KL - 88.1% - 6,896

BCN - (Level) - 82.6% - 6,223 (5,389) up over last year, but I guess less people fly to BCN in June... curious.

CDG - Combined 92.3% - 47,233 (41,251 total last year)

AF - 92.8% - 23,926 (21,323)
DL - 91.1% - 12,463 (12,222)
DY - 92.7% - 10,844 (7,706) nice uplift over 2018..

CPH - SK - 13,320 84.3% (7,214) - vast improvement over 2018, the 321 will do well here.

DUB - Combined 96.8% - 49,784 (46,261 last year)

DL - 94.8% -12,704 (9,471) - nice uplift over last year
EI - 97.5% - 37,080 (36,790) - talk about sold out.

EDI - DL - 90.2% - 9,122 (not bad at all...)

FCO - Combined 90.6% 23,396 (14,231 last year)

AZ - 90.9% - 14,294 (14,231 last year) - flat as a pancake
DY - 90.1% - 9,102

FRA - LH - 91.3% 33,969 (34,398 last year) - surprised this dropped a little.

KEF - FI - 89.1% - 26,622 (35,464 last year) - if you remove WW, FI did 24,134 last year.

LGW - DI - 93.4% - 19,278 (18,508 last year) - you can argue why DL is weighing to this one, but it's proven there IS a market there to capture. CAA UK numbers were 19,343 so DI's reporting is fairly accurate.

LHR - Combined - 87.1% - 83,089 (85,475 last year) - something not right here. CAA UK numbers are 100,162 and looking at the T-100 data, BA appear to have missed ALL their A380 reporting across the US for June, if you assume it's the difference, which is 17,073, it gives around a 60% load for the 380 and I can't believe that's right, so take these numbers with a huge pinch of salt. I think DL and VS are ok, BA is way off.

BA - 89.4% - 44,449 (58,583) - if you add the difference in the numbers you get around 61,000, which makes much more sense in terms of actual numbers, and would drag their number down to 79%, which i think might be closer to the mark.
DL - 93.0% - 13,045 (10,910) - gone are the days of 1/2 empty planes for DL to LHR, nice uplift YOY
VS - 80.9% - 25,595 (15,982) - 2nd daily of course feeds this number.

LIS - Combined 87.4% - 24,490 (13,781) last year - DL's entry doesn't seem to have hurt TP in terms of numbers, in fact has expanded the market.

DL - 81.2% -9,176 (not bad on a domestic 757)
TP - 91.6% - 15,314 (13,781)

MAD - 88.1% - 23,305 - (15,721 last year) - IB drop, but DY expands the market, however this will go back to status Quo in 2020 as DY leave the route.

IB 86% - 15,067 (15,721) - slight drop for IB
DY 92.1% - 8,238

MAN - VS - 68.1% 5,083 (3,422 last year) - We can clearly see why DL is taking this over next year, much better sized plane for this route. Total pax with MT last year was 9,536. BIG difference and clearly VS did not pick up the MT pax that were lost when they exited the route.

MUC - LH - 88.6% - 16,035 (15,593) - Can't wait to see what the Whale does next year on this route.

PDL - S4 - 78.2% - 12,683 (10,971) - big increase in capacity to 75 flights this month.

RAI - VR - 87.6% - 1,282 (1,528)

SNN - EI - 95.5% - 9,973 (10.016)

TER - S4 - 74.7% - 2,819 (2,765)

ZRH - LX - 88.0% - 21,805 (14,528)
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:59 am

alexdelzotto1 wrote:
alexdelzotto1 wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
June 2019 - Load Factors from the T-100's (non-Europe to start, alphabetical order)


YUL - Combined 88.1% - 17,031 (22,859) - WS exited in 2018 and managed 5,338.

AC - 93% - 449 (only 4 flights, so maybe a coding issue) - (22)
KV - Sky - 87.4% - 9,558 -
QK - Jazz - 88.7% - 7,024 (17,501)


No this is correct, AC did indeed operated some mainline flights to YUL, mix of E90 and A319 throughout the summer as well as RV 319's in September.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:59 am

Thank you for the data VS4ever!
VS4ever wrote:
GRU - JJ 90.5% - 7.413

Very healthy, I have to wonder if it is ready to move to daily.
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HAV - B6 54.5% - 857 (Kill it,Kill it now!)

B6 said they view HAV as being profitable in the future which is how they are justifying maintaining service, but I have to wonder when will they decide to just cut the losses.
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PTY - CM 90.9% - 13,129 (11,634)

I never imagined myself saying this when Copa was just entering BOS but it might be ready for even more capacity. I also have to wonder how much Avianca's exit has helped them.
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TLV - LY 91.6% - 6,110 (3,494)

Very solid for LY, a lot of YOY growth. Really impressed by this one.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:04 am

For those interested, LY has been operating 789s in from time to time. Beautiful airplane
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:11 am

VS4ever wrote:
PTY - CM 90.9% - 13,129 (11,634)

I never imagined myself saying this when Copa was just entering BOS but it might be ready for even more capacity. I also have to wonder how much Avianca's exit has helped them.

Sadly right now CM don't agree because for a while they did go more than daily I believe it was 11 weekly at one point, but they are back to daily at the moment and for the foreseeable future.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:39 pm

British Airways is starting daily A35K service from LHR starting on August 1 and operating as BA203

source: https://simpleflying.com/british-airway ... rbus-a350/
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:09 am

I dont know if this is right, but I pretended to book a British Airway's flight from July 8th to July 15th and it is showing their First class as $264 one way, and it charged me 700 dollars if I did roundtrip in First class. Whereas, in coach its almost $1400. Either BA is having a glitch or there is a steal yall should know about. I get near free flights anyway, so this wont help me .. just wanted to see their pricing.

https://www.britishairways.com/travel/b ... Type=RTFLT
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:24 am

massachoicetts wrote:
I dont know if this is right, but I pretended to book a British Airway's flight from July 8th to July 15th and it is showing their First class as $264 one way, and it charged me 700 dollars if I did roundtrip in First class. Whereas, in coach its almost $1400. Either BA is having a glitch or there is a steal yall should know about. I get near free flights anyway, so this wont help me .. just wanted to see their pricing.

https://www.britishairways.com/travel/b ... Type=RTFLT

The direct link doesn't work, but going through it manually, I am able to find the itinerary that you did (albeit, this is for business, not first).

Hopefully this is the real deal, and some of us will be able to take advantage!
EDIT: Link works fine, didn't initially for me.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:33 am

TheChickenman wrote:
massachoicetts wrote:
I dont know if this is right, but I pretended to book a British Airway's flight from July 8th to July 15th and it is showing their First class as $264 one way, and it charged me 700 dollars if I did roundtrip in First class. Whereas, in coach its almost $1400. Either BA is having a glitch or there is a steal yall should know about. I get near free flights anyway, so this wont help me .. just wanted to see their pricing.

https://www.britishairways.com/travel/b ... Type=RTFLT

The direct link doesn't work, but going through it manually, I am able to find the itinerary that you did (albeit, this is for business, not first).

Hopefully this is the real deal, and some of us will be able to take advantage!
EDIT: Link works fine, didn't initially for me.

I tried the link a few times. The first time it didn't work. The second time it returned a RT Biz Class fare of $3070. The third time I got an $1817 fare. The fourth time it returned a RT Biz Class fare of $674. I didn't bother playing with First and grabbed that fare. Hopefully it sticks. Thanks massachoicetts!
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:20 am

hinckley wrote:
TheChickenman wrote:
massachoicetts wrote:
I dont know if this is right, but I pretended to book a British Airway's flight from July 8th to July 15th and it is showing their First class as $264 one way, and it charged me 700 dollars if I did roundtrip in First class. Whereas, in coach its almost $1400. Either BA is having a glitch or there is a steal yall should know about. I get near free flights anyway, so this wont help me .. just wanted to see their pricing.

https://www.britishairways.com/travel/b ... Type=RTFLT

The direct link doesn't work, but going through it manually, I am able to find the itinerary that you did (albeit, this is for business, not first).

Hopefully this is the real deal, and some of us will be able to take advantage!
EDIT: Link works fine, didn't initially for me.

I tried the link a few times. The first time it didn't work. The second time it returned a RT Biz Class fare of $3070. The third time I got an $1817 fare. The fourth time it returned a RT Biz Class fare of $674. I didn't bother playing with First and grabbed that fare. Hopefully it sticks. Thanks massachoicetts!



Hate to break it to you, but it looks like you just bought a basic economy ticket. If you try to book seats, it shows the economy layout very clearly, it also mentions that there is zero checked luggage. At least that was the case when I looked. Definitely some IT issues going on.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:29 am

ramzi wrote:
hinckley wrote:
TheChickenman wrote:
The direct link doesn't work, but going through it manually, I am able to find the itinerary that you did (albeit, this is for business, not first).

Hopefully this is the real deal, and some of us will be able to take advantage!
EDIT: Link works fine, didn't initially for me.

I tried the link a few times. The first time it didn't work. The second time it returned a RT Biz Class fare of $3070. The third time I got an $1817 fare. The fourth time it returned a RT Biz Class fare of $674. I didn't bother playing with First and grabbed that fare. Hopefully it sticks. Thanks massachoicetts!



Hate to break it to you, but it looks like you just bought a basic economy ticket. If you try to book seats, it shows the economy layout very clearly, it also mentions that there is zero checked luggage. At least that was the case when I looked. Definitely some IT issues going on.

Well, you're right. When I booked the ticket, it definitely came up as Club World and even brought me to the Biz Class seat map. I declined to reserve a seat for $125+ each way! But I've just looked at my email confirmation and it shows World Traveller. Oh well, that was a quick trip!
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:22 pm

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British Airways is starting daily A35K service from LHR starting on August 1 and operating as BA203

source: https://simpleflying.com/british-airway ... rbus-a350/


I'm wondering if this summer will be the last BA 744 to Boston. August 1 is a very strange date for an equipment change, usually it's done at the start or end of the season.

But I did say the 350s were coming!
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:17 am

VS4ever wrote:
rnav2dlrey wrote:
does anyone have an idea whether PDEW for BOS-SNA warrants a daily flight?

with all of the adds over the past few years, it's at the point now where i struggle to think of domestic routes that aren't already covered - SNA sticks out to me as having potential.


adamh8297 is the person who looks at that stuff, I wish this site would have a user tagging system, but oh well. Anyway, the last time he posted the top unserved markets, SNA was not in the top 10 and #10 had 54 PDEW, but as I said, he's the one that can assist with that info.

This was his last post on the subject

DOT Table 6 for Q1 2019 came out this week.

Top 10 Markets unserved from BOS for the Quarter and PDEW for each market was:

1)SAT - 160
2)TUS - 90
3)SDF- 84
4)MEM -78
5)ABQ -75
6)EYW-66 Hmmm.... Interesting to see if there is a boost in 2020 maybe 80-85 from the new flight.
7)GSP-64
8)OMA-58
9)RNO-54
10)GRR-54

Also MSN, usually in the top 10 and planned to be served seasonally by SY, just missed the top 10 with 52.

Interesting that 2 on that list are on the AA Special Events list announced today (SDF and OMA), although we cannot correlate a one-off special with actual service.



I still have to post the gains and losses from Q1 and Q2. To answer rnav2dlrey's question: SNA is lumped into Los Angeles Metro area in DOT Table 6 just as MHT/PVD are lumped into Boston's though ORH/PSM are not! Only the airlines and airports pay for data for that one! I do think that any LA Metro airport could support at least one daily flight.

Airports that are lumped together in DOT Table.

NYC = JFK/LGA/EWR/SWF/HPN/ISP
Boston = BOS/MHT/PVD but not PSM/ORH
Los Angeles: LAX/SNA/BUR/ONT/LGB
SF = SFO/OAK/SJC
Miami = MIA/FLL but not PBI
D.C. =BWI/DCA/IAD
Norfolk, VA = ORF/PHF
Tampa - TPA/PIE but not SRQ
Atlanta - ATL/AHN/MCN
Orlando - MCO/SFB (Not noted as metro area though in table 6)
Cleveland - CLE/CAK
Seattle SEA/PAE (Not noted as metro area though in table 6)
Chicago ORD/MDW
Airlines flown: A3, AA, AC, AF, AM, BA, B6, CA, CO, CX, DL, EA, EL, IB, LH, MI, MQ, NH, NW, NZ, OU, PE, QF, S4, SQ, TP, UA, US, VS, WE, WN

2019: CX BOS-HKG, WE HKG-HKT, CA HKT-PEK-EWR, B6 EWR-BOS
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:02 pm

Per the OAG thread Delta is adding a second daily AUS flight starting in June. It’s bookable from Monday June, 22nd.

DL1329 BOS 06:00 — AUS 09:23
DL2981 BOS 19:59 — AUS 23:22
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:52 pm

B757rocket wrote:
Per the OAG thread Delta is adding a second daily AUS flight starting in June. It’s bookable from Monday June, 22nd.

DL1329 BOS 06:00 — AUS 09:23
DL2981 BOS 19:59 — AUS 23:22


This is getting stupid now. I honestly thought airlines had learned their lesson in the 90's. I guess when you make over a billion $ in profits you can afford to throw away a few thousand on a route in order to keep a few of your clients happy. What is even crazier is that none of these flight on DL, B6, AA will offer good connections to/from TATL flights.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:58 pm

Here's Q12019 Top 10 or 8 (where applicable) Gains/Losses for markets over 50 PDEW - Large metros include all airports as mentioned above

Table 6 Q12019 Gains by PDEW

ATL-261, PBI-142, TPA-131, PHL-127, LA-110, MIA/FLL-85, DEN-84, JAX-79, DFW-79, BNA-74

Table 6 Q12019 Gains by Percentage

ROC-90.4%, JAX-25.5%, ATL-22.6%, SRQ-21.2%, SAV-18.1%, PBI-17.0%, BNA-15.0%, SMF-14.7%, SAT-13.9%, PHL-13.1%

Table 6 Q12019 Losses by PDEW

CHI-59, HOU-56, NYC-33, MSY-32, IND-14, PHX -12, MKE-6.5, MCI-3, Only 8 Markets lost passengers

Table 6 Q12019 Losses by Percentage

HOU-9.2%, MSY-7.9%, IND-5.5%, MKE-4.5%, CHI-3.5%, PHX-1.8%, NYC-1.7%, MCI-1.4%
Airlines flown: A3, AA, AC, AF, AM, BA, B6, CA, CO, CX, DL, EA, EL, IB, LH, MI, MQ, NH, NW, NZ, OU, PE, QF, S4, SQ, TP, UA, US, VS, WE, WN

2019: CX BOS-HKG, WE HKG-HKT, CA HKT-PEK-EWR, B6 EWR-BOS
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:48 pm

It would be nice with all these poorly timed AUS additions, to maybe give us SAT or SDF?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:27 pm

Here's Q22019 Top Gains/Losses - same rules over 50 PDEW many metros combine airports etc.

Table 6 Q22019 Gains by PDEW

LAS-112, PBI-111,JAX-85, PHL-73, TPA-67, CHS-64, DEN-63, BNA-57, LA-43, CLT-33

Table 6 Q12019 Gains by Percentage

ELP-24.4%, JAX-22.7%, TYS-22.6%, CHS-19.2%, SMF-18.8%, PBI-16.6%, GSP-14.7%, GSO-14.3%, SAV-14.1%, LAS-13.7%

TYS is Knoxville and its almost 80 PDEW!!!! Carolina routes like GSP and GSO - I could see being served by DL (ComAir did serve GSO at one point) if not B6 in a couple of years.

Table 6 Q12019 Losses by PDEW

MCO-150, HOU-70, ATL-58, MSY-53, SFO-49, NYC-46, IND-33, SAN-30, MYR-24, SEA-20

Table 6 Q12019 Losses by Percentage

ROC-20%, DAY-15.2%, MYR-13.5%, MSY-10.9%, ABQ-10.4%, MSN-8.8%, IND-8.4%, HOU-8.4%, TUS-6.2%, ORF-6.2%


massachoicetts wrote:
It would be nice with all these poorly timed AUS additions, to maybe give us SAT or SDF?


True but Austin is an important route which could tip the scales on a corporate contract or two. Dell/EMC probably doesn't care if DL's AUS-BOS flight feeds the DL BOS-LIS flight.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:14 am

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I'm wondering if this summer will be the last BA 744 to Boston. August 1 is a very strange date for an equipment change, usually it's done at the start or end of the season.

But I did say the 350s were coming!


The past summer BOS did not see the 744 at all...the first summer that the A380 came the 744s were still on the 203/202 rotation, but these days it runs in the winter only (on the 213/212 rotation). Anyway, now with the A350 in the picture, those might take over from the 744 for the winter. Wouldn't be surprised to see that. Ultimately if (when) they bow out it appears it will be at the end of the winter season (assuming things stay as they are, which is no dead cert).

Used to spot them with regularity when I lived outside BOS — they were hands down my favorites — will be sad to see them go but it's understandable given they are getting up there in age.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:05 am

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Used to spot them with regularity when I lived outside BOS — they were hands down my favorites — will be sad to see them go but it's understandable given they are getting up there in age.



I wouldn't be that shocked to see the 35K carry over into the winter schedule. BA certainly has options, 350, 787, 777, 744? End of type fleet management can be interesting. 744 will have more dispatch problems, so do you put it on the shorter flights with more time at base, or the long legs where it can be an issue if it gets stuck downline?

I'm actually wondering what the other new a350 carrier, AF will do next winter. Back to 772, 789 or keep the 350s? Lots of options.

And by that point we'll be having discussions about the introduction of the new terminal E section, etc etc it just goes on and on. Lots of excitement!
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:48 am

FGITD wrote:
33lspotter wrote:

Used to spot them with regularity when I lived outside BOS — they were hands down my favorites — will be sad to see them go but it's understandable given they are getting up there in age.



I wouldn't be that shocked to see the 35K carry over into the winter schedule. BA certainly has options, 350, 787, 777, 744? End of type fleet management can be interesting. 744 will have more dispatch problems, so do you put it on the shorter flights with more time at base, or the long legs where it can be an issue if it gets stuck downline?

I'm actually wondering what the other new a350 carrier, AF will do next winter. Back to 772, 789 or keep the 350s? Lots of options.

And by that point we'll be having discussions about the introduction of the new terminal E section, etc etc it just goes on and on. Lots of excitement!


Well by October we are talking Winter schedule and 3 daily, maybe the 350 stays to keep capacity up and to continue crew training.

2021 is going to be highly interesting once the new gates come on stream. Is Massport still trying to get the whole 7 gates done by 2023? I did see somewhere an option to do that.
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Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:32 pm

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... re-launch/

Royal Air Maroc and AA will be coding sharing from 12/26 on CMN-BOS, however no code-sharing on routes beyond yet. Maybe that will be a second wave.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:53 pm

VS4ever wrote:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/288172/american-airlines-royal-air-maroc-plans-late-dec-2019-codeshare-launch/

Royal Air Maroc and AA will be coding sharing from 12/26 on CMN-BOS, however no code-sharing on routes beyond yet. Maybe that will be a second wave.


There will likely be a second wave as PHL-CMN isn’t included as RAM operated by AA.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:53 pm

VS4ever wrote:
FGITD wrote:
33lspotter wrote:

Used to spot them with regularity when I lived outside BOS — they were hands down my favorites — will be sad to see them go but it's understandable given they are getting up there in age.



I wouldn't be that shocked to see the 35K carry over into the winter schedule. BA certainly has options, 350, 787, 777, 744? End of type fleet management can be interesting. 744 will have more dispatch problems, so do you put it on the shorter flights with more time at base, or the long legs where it can be an issue if it gets stuck downline?

I'm actually wondering what the other new a350 carrier, AF will do next winter. Back to 772, 789 or keep the 350s? Lots of options.

And by that point we'll be having discussions about the introduction of the new terminal E section, etc etc it just goes on and on. Lots of excitement!


Well by October we are talking Winter schedule and 3 daily, maybe the 350 stays to keep capacity up and to continue crew training.

2021 is going to be highly interesting once the new gates come on stream. Is Massport still trying to get the whole 7 gates done by 2023? I did see somewhere an option to do that.


VS4ever - what do you mean winter schedule 3x daily? Looking at schedules today for BA’s winter schedule there’s still 4x daily and AA is adding a 5th daily next year.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:20 am

jakeroberts212 wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
FGITD wrote:


I wouldn't be that shocked to see the 35K carry over into the winter schedule. BA certainly has options, 350, 787, 777, 744? End of type fleet management can be interesting. 744 will have more dispatch problems, so do you put it on the shorter flights with more time at base, or the long legs where it can be an issue if it gets stuck downline?

I'm actually wondering what the other new a350 carrier, AF will do next winter. Back to 772, 789 or keep the 350s? Lots of options.

And by that point we'll be having discussions about the introduction of the new terminal E section, etc etc it just goes on and on. Lots of excitement!


Well by October we are talking Winter schedule and 3 daily, maybe the 350 stays to keep capacity up and to continue crew training.

2021 is going to be highly interesting once the new gates come on stream. Is Massport still trying to get the whole 7 gates done by 2023? I did see somewhere an option to do that.


VS4ever - what do you mean winter schedule 3x daily? Looking at schedules today for BA’s winter schedule there’s still 4x daily and AA is adding a 5th daily next year.


My apologies, I thought they dropped it to 3 in winter, I don’t count AA as that’s separate despite the JV, I stand corrected on BA however
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