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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:05 am

From May 2019 data from our friends across the pond at the UK CAA - it appears BOS-EDI is off to an OK start - about 82.5% Load Factor.

BOS-MAN - looked horrible 70 ish people a flight (assuming 10 one-ways both direction combined were flown). I think its time for DL to take over the route with a 757 seasonally.

Also BOS-LHR is up 20% for the month due to VS daytime flight. DI BOS-LGW only took a 2% hit from it.

Can't wait to see June numbers

There was an article stating KE has been in the mid 80's for loads as well. https://www.businesstravelnews.com/Inte ... with-Delta
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Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:19 am

Will BA continue with 4x daily or will they cede one to another carrier? It seemed there was talk about them relinquishing one, but that was awhile back.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:40 am

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Will BA continue with 4x daily or will they cede one to another carrier? It seemed there was talk about them relinquishing one, but that was awhile back.


I thought they wanted to move one frequency to LGW? Or am I confusing it with DL/VS (who supposed to fly LGW-BOS in the near future)?
 
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Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:51 am

Dieuwer wrote:
EK77WNH wrote:
Will BA continue with 4x daily or will they cede one to another carrier? It seemed there was talk about them relinquishing one, but that was awhile back.


I thought they wanted to move one frequency to LGW? Or am I confusing it with DL/VS (who supposed to fly LGW-BOS in the near future)?


It's DL/VS. BA hasn't said anything about BOS-LGW, and I honestly wouldn't expect them to.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:15 am

Dieuwer wrote:
EK77WNH wrote:
Will BA continue with 4x daily or will they cede one to another carrier? It seemed there was talk about them relinquishing one, but that was awhile back.




I thought they wanted to move one frequency to LGW? Or am I confusing it with DL/VS (who supposed to fly LGW-BOS in the near future)?


I've not heard any talk of BA ceding a slot, LHR is way too valuable and important for BA at BOS, besides who are they going to relinquish to actually? DL had the remedy slot which comes up next year for renewal if i remember correctly, I could possibly see BA adding LGW, but trust me, while i am am out and out supporter of LGW getting some love from airlines again (let's remember it's bigger than BOS with a single runway), I think 3 carriers on that route is insane and could even be 4 if they did that, because we don't officially know where B6 are going to fly to when they start.

adamh8297 wrote:
From May 2019 data from our friends across the pond at the UK CAA - it appears BOS-EDI is off to an OK start - about 82.5% Load Factor.

BOS-MAN - looked horrible 70 ish people a flight (assuming 10 one-ways both direction combined were flown). I think its time for DL to take over the route with a 757 seasonally.

Also BOS-LHR is up 20% for the month due to VS daytime flight. DI BOS-LGW only took a 2% hit from it.

Can't wait to see June numbers

There was an article stating KE has been in the mid 80's for loads as well. https://www.businesstravelnews.com/Inte ... with-Delta


And there was my brute force calculation of around 83%, a couple of comments up.. hmmmm.....

BOS-EDI - glad to see it do well, 80+% in May is a good sign for June and July in particular.
BOS-MAN - not the goldmine thought.. if you ever check out the MAN thread going East, absolutely ridiculous amount of traffic, MAN-US, very hit and miss, I have a feeling some of that in the case of VS is the EI feeder to DUB and pre-clearance. while VS is the non-stop, EI is 2x daily from MAN via DUB, hard to go up against that with a 3x weekly at best. also just goes to show you how well MT did at running the route, even though ironically it was one of their worst performing due to the seat counts on their aircraft it was a lot to fill. I am struggling with this one. I do not believe VS is the right carrier for this route, although it damn well should be. But like you say who else but DL could manage it right now?
BOS-LHR - given VS's history with BOS-LHR, I find it very hard to believe that this bump is all down to the new day time flight, it would calculate at nearly 95% loads every day, i mean clearly plenty of it would be, but i got to believe DL and BA also saw a kick for a change of that magnitude.
BOS-LGW - a little surprised with the 2% reduction, but all the same, DY are still packing them in at 90% plus in May.....assuming they are getting remotely decent yields, that must be doing well for them.
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Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:35 pm

I don't quite know how BA's capacity this summer compares to last. On the 'plus' side, we have one A380 each day. But on the 'minus' side, we have smaller 787s on a semi-regular basis where 747s used to be. Maybe it's all a wash.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:49 pm

adamh8297 wrote:
From May 2019 data from our friends across the pond at the UK CAA - it appears BOS-EDI is off to an OK start - about 82.5% Load Factor.

BOS-MAN - looked horrible 70 ish people a flight (assuming 10 one-ways both direction combined were flown). I think its time for DL to take over the route with a 757 seasonally.

Also BOS-LHR is up 20% for the month due to VS daytime flight. DI BOS-LGW only took a 2% hit from it.

Can't wait to see June numbers

There was an article stating KE has been in the mid 80's for loads as well. https://www.businesstravelnews.com/Inte ... with-Delta


There were 3, possibly 4 MAN-BOS-Man flights in May, as the flight restarted on 25th May. During that time I was obsereving the figures (but didn't record them) and the lowest load I saw was 91 on an inbound BOS-MAN. The rest of the loads seemed to be about 140-170 average, which still isn't great but with just 3 weekly flights on a rather large A330, this route will struggle to reach its full potential.

There is talk that MAN-LAX will go daily next summer, and the fact BOS aides aircraft utilisation it can be considered BOS will also go daily.

I agree though, DL daily would be a best bet, even a B767 could do better as its still smaller than an A330 which is the smallest plane VS has.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:15 pm

A few quick notes from my flight this morning.

Terminal A - Lucky's replacement appears to be Berkshire Farms, and it does look like it will have a bar. I got a picture from the SkyClub, which I'll try to remember to post. I didn't wander down to A10 this morning, but I wonder if that little corner market is closing / will close and be replaced with something else?

On Sunday, I was on my roof deck in Southie and saw both the BA A380 and the Emirates 380 land within a few minutes of each other. I hope border patrol was fully staffed!
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:05 pm

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A few quick notes from my flight this morning.

On Sunday, I was on my roof deck in Southie and saw both the BA A380 and the Emirates 380 land within a few minutes of each other. I hope border patrol was fully staffed!


Maybe others can chime in, as I admittedly do not spend much time there, but so far this summer seems to be going quite well for CBP in Boston.

Mostly gate availability has been the issue. I've seen more than a few carriers waiting 90+ minutes
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:49 pm

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I don't quite know how BA's capacity this summer compares to last. On the 'plus' side, we have one A380 each day. But on the 'minus' side, we have smaller 787s on a semi-regular basis where 747s used to be. Maybe it's all a wash.


Good point, it is hard to tell. Though I do believe BA are doing really well with yield management--there seem to be less empty premium seats flying this summer than there were last. The prices alone are a clear indicator that the amount of premium vs. non-premium seats offered is much closer to the amount demanded. The random times I do check, I now mostly find fully booked F cabins and almost full J cabins. But at the end of the day, they shuffle around so many aircraft on the route it is hard to tell what is going on. Other than the daily A380, all 777 configurations are mixed in, including one or two 77W frequencies recently, plus the 788 and 789.

I can't imagine a frequency going to LGW, much less one being handed over to AA. I can imagine less 747s on the route, but that is only my imagination since they are already scheduled for the winter.
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Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:10 pm

Not only is BA seemingly good at yield management, but they are also good at fleet management. They are smart at taking delivery of new planes just when older ones are sunsetting. They are so unlike Emirates, which no one can really figure out.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:47 am

So sad that HU began launching A350 on its PEK-BOS route starting May 1 while I had been left for coop and won`t return unitl the next year
 
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Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:23 am

Breaking: Lufthansa has just confirmed they will be operating the A380 on the MUC-BOS route starting summer 2020!

Tweet from Lufthansa: https://twitter.com/lufthansaNews/status/1148537745301749761
Press Release: https://newsroom.lufthansagroup.com/English/Newsroom/lufthansa-expands-a380-fleet-in-munich/s/97d81814-5b9c-453a-8aa9-f24c623908a1
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Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:36 am

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Breaking: Lufthansa has just confirmed they will be operating the A380 on the MUC-BOS route starting summer 2020!

Tweet from Lufthansa: https://twitter.com/lufthansaNews/status/1148537745301749761
Press Release: https://newsroom.lufthansagroup.com/English/Newsroom/lufthansa-expands-a380-fleet-in-munich/s/97d81814-5b9c-453a-8aa9-f24c623908a1

That is fantastic. My most traveled destination in Europe. Looks like I might finally get to fly on an A380 :)
 
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Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:56 am

airbazar wrote:
jworks158 wrote:
Breaking: Lufthansa has just confirmed they will be operating the A380 on the MUC-BOS route starting summer 2020!

Tweet from Lufthansa: https://twitter.com/lufthansaNews/status/1148537745301749761
Press Release: https://newsroom.lufthansagroup.com/English/Newsroom/lufthansa-expands-a380-fleet-in-munich/s/97d81814-5b9c-453a-8aa9-f24c623908a1

That is fantastic. My most traveled destination in Europe. Looks like I might finally get to fly on an A380 :)


Whohooo! This is great to see considering the new routes/planes has dwindled down... what should we see next from BOS?
 
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Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:59 am

And just like that, all three of the A380 gates will have a use (assuming that they’re on the ground at the same time, which I expect they will be.).

Thoughts and prayers to the rampers, ground crew, ATC and any other plane trying to taxi out of Terminal E.

Maybe AirFrance will bring the whale next?
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Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:32 pm

It will probably be seasonal, like BA does things. And we still have no confirmation that EK is bringing the A380 back after the two trial periods this summer and briefly next winter.

I think the EK winter experiment bears watching because I get the feeling that snowdrifts and tight maneuvering quarters are seen to be potentially problematic for the A380 at Boston. EK will prove that wrong or right, and others will take notice.
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Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:50 pm

I use the expression that "Boston punches above its weight". I think this is another example of that. Is there another city of Boston's size, or another airport of BOS's size, that has three A380 carriers?

On a separate note, there should be a bunch of people at Massport who are breathing a sigh of relief that all the money spent on those A380 gates is going to be justified. Unfortunately, I'm not sure anyone there feels a sense of responsibility to have thoughts like that.
 
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Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:17 pm

From the massport meeting notes from May https://www.massport.com/media/3234/may-board-deck_523_website_watermark.pdf

Page 162 A topic I don't believe has been talked about here Boston Sea Plane Service 3 airlines have proposed service out of Boston harbor and cape air has been approved by the FAA, but is awaiting city approval. The goal is to operate between boston harbor and the 23rd st seaplane base in manhattan.
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Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:15 pm

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I use the expression that "Boston punches above its weight". I think this is another example of that. Is there another city of Boston's size, or another airport of BOS's size, that has three A380 carriers?


Melbourne, Australia has 4 A380 operators (QF, EK, QR, EY). Both Melbourne & Boston have roughly the same metro population size. Boston is almost 4.7 million in the metro area and Melbourne is almost 4.6 million. So not really sure BOS is punching above it’s weight. I think we’re right in line when looking at other comparable cities.
 
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Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:52 pm

jworks158 wrote:
Breaking: Lufthansa has just confirmed they will be operating the A380 on the MUC-BOS route starting summer 2020!

Tweet from Lufthansa: https://twitter.com/lufthansaNews/status/1148537745301749761
Press Release: https://newsroom.lufthansagroup.com/English/Newsroom/lufthansa-expands-a380-fleet-in-munich/s/97d81814-5b9c-453a-8aa9-f24c623908a1


I'm flying BOS-MUC in a few weeks. Before I was bummed it wasn't the A350 like it had been during the winter. Now I get to be also bummed I missed the A380. :rotfl: But at least the A340-600s have the downstairs bathrooms which are always cool.
 
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Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:01 pm

jworks158 wrote:
From the massport meeting notes from May https://www.massport.com/media/3234/may-board-deck_523_website_watermark.pdf

Page 162 A topic I don't believe has been talked about here Boston Sea Plane Service 3 airlines have proposed service out of Boston harbor and cape air has been approved by the FAA, but is awaiting city approval. The goal is to operate between boston harbor and the 23rd st seaplane base in manhattan.


Obviously depending on price and timings, this could be popular.
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Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:32 pm

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Melbourne, Australia has 4 A380 operators (QF, EK, QR, EY). Both Melbourne & Boston have roughly the same metro population size. Boston is almost 4.7 million in the metro area and Melbourne is almost 4.6 million. So not really sure BOS is punching above it’s weight. I think we’re right in line when looking at other comparable cities.

I think Melbourne is an interesting comp. There are a lot of similarities between the two cities. But I think the extreme remoteness of MEL lends itself to lower frequency, but higher capacity/longer range services. It's not a contest of course, but just interesting to consider.
 
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:31 am

Noticed that NK has been using B35 and B35A recently for all flights (B35A is 1 of 2 new gates)... any reason why or are they moving to these gates with the reconfiguration?
 
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:25 am

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Noticed that NK has been using B35 and B35A recently for all flights (B35A is 1 of 2 new gates)... any reason why or are they moving to these gates with the reconfiguration?


The last time Massport put something out there in the Board Deck, https://www.massport.com/media/3106/nov ... ermark.pdf (page 135), the plan was this for the main part of Pier A where the new construction is going.

up to B31 = United
B31A to B35 = Southwest
B35A and B36 = Alaska
B37 and B38 = Spirit

Now interestingly, the original plan said the 2nd new gate for C was supposed to be in the connector and called C43, however on more recent plans it appears the official convention will be B43, but I wonder if they are adopting the hybrid model of E1, where to B6 customers it will be called C43, but to anyone else that happens to use it, it will be called B43.

I am musing whether the 30 gate agreement with B6 has shifted a little. They might get access to 30 or more, but it might not be all the time.. Hmmm, curious.
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:33 am

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -dec-2019/

VS subbing in a 332 for 2 days in December, not entirely sure that merits a whole post by the Routes guys.. but hey, looks like it's going to happen
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Any update to when WN is moving out of A?
 
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:38 am

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Any update to when WN is moving out of A?


It's supposed to happen in August I believe, so another month. Massport is just about done adding in the two new gates over on the pier in terminal B and they are also making some upgrades on the inside of the terminal. I haven't flown through there lately so am not sure how far along they are. I've just seen the pier from exterior a few time recently taxing by.
 
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:48 am

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hinckley wrote:
I use the expression that "Boston punches above its weight". I think this is another example of that. Is there another city of Boston's size, or another airport of BOS's size, that has three A380 carriers?


Melbourne, Australia has 4 A380 operators (QF, EK, QR, EY). Both Melbourne & Boston have roughly the same metro population size. Boston is almost 4.7 million in the metro area and Melbourne is almost 4.6 million. So not really sure BOS is punching above it’s weight. I think we’re right in line when looking at other comparable cities.


2 cities of this size in all of the world, I think that's called an exception :) I'd say both BOS and MEL punch above their weight.
Having said that MEL suffers from being "at the end of the line", quite literally since there are no routes that can use it as a connecting point while BOS has the advantage of geography allowing it to be a gateway for Europe-N. America and Asia-East Coast traffic.
 
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:29 pm

airbazar wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
hinckley wrote:
I use the expression that "Boston punches above its weight". I think this is another example of that. Is there another city of Boston's size, or another airport of BOS's size, that has three A380 carriers?


Melbourne, Australia has 4 A380 operators (QF, EK, QR, EY). Both Melbourne & Boston have roughly the same metro population size. Boston is almost 4.7 million in the metro area and Melbourne is almost 4.6 million. So not really sure BOS is punching above it’s weight. I think we’re right in line when looking at other comparable cities.


2 cities of this size in all of the world, I think that's called an exception :) I'd say both BOS and MEL punch above their weight.
Having said that MEL suffers from being "at the end of the line", quite literally since there are no routes that can use it as a connecting point while BOS has the advantage of geography allowing it to be a gateway for Europe-N. America and Asia-East Coast traffic.


We could throw in SFO which has a metro of 4.7 million and A380’s from EK, LH, AF & BA.
 
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:44 pm

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jsteeves3 wrote:
Noticed that NK has been using B35 and B35A recently for all flights (B35A is 1 of 2 new gates)... any reason why or are they moving to these gates with the reconfiguration?


The last time Massport put something out there in the Board Deck, https://www.massport.com/media/3106/nov ... ermark.pdf (page 135), the plan was this for the main part of Pier A where the new construction is going.

up to B31 = United
B31A to B35 = Southwest
B35A and B36 = Alaska
B37 and B38 = Spirit

Now interestingly, the original plan said the 2nd new gate for C was supposed to be in the connector and called C43, however on more recent plans it appears the official convention will be B43, but I wonder if they are adopting the hybrid model of E1, where to B6 customers it will be called C43, but to anyone else that happens to use it, it will be called B43.

I am musing whether the 30 gate agreement with B6 has shifted a little. They might get access to 30 or more, but it might not be all the time.. Hmmm, curious.

How many gates will WN have I thought it was going to be 7?
 
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:27 pm

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KMCOFlyer wrote:
Any update to when WN is moving out of A?


It's supposed to happen in August I believe, so another month. Massport is just about done adding in the two new gates over on the pier in terminal B and they are also making some upgrades on the inside of the terminal. I haven't flown through there lately so am not sure how far along they are. I've just seen the pier from exterior a few time recently taxing by.


Does anyone know if it slipped to Sept? Delta pushed back a lot of the new flights they were launching in mid-Sept by a couple of weeks and I thought it was because of delays in Terminal A. That oculd just be Delta's own work in Terminal A, however.
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:31 pm

tomaheath wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
jsteeves3 wrote:
Noticed that NK has been using B35 and B35A recently for all flights (B35A is 1 of 2 new gates)... any reason why or are they moving to these gates with the reconfiguration?


The last time Massport put something out there in the Board Deck, https://www.massport.com/media/3106/nov ... ermark.pdf (page 135), the plan was this for the main part of Pier A where the new construction is going.

up to B31 = United
B31A to B35 = Southwest
B35A and B36 = Alaska
B37 and B38 = Spirit

Now interestingly, the original plan said the 2nd new gate for C was supposed to be in the connector and called C43, however on more recent plans it appears the official convention will be B43, but I wonder if they are adopting the hybrid model of E1, where to B6 customers it will be called C43, but to anyone else that happens to use it, it will be called B43.

I am musing whether the 30 gate agreement with B6 has shifted a little. They might get access to 30 or more, but it might not be all the time.. Hmmm, curious.

How many gates will WN have I thought it was going to be 7?

So did I originally as I read that somewhere, but all the plans clearly show only 5
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:35 pm

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B752OS wrote:
KMCOFlyer wrote:
Any update to when WN is moving out of A?


It's supposed to happen in August I believe, so another month. Massport is just about done adding in the two new gates over on the pier in terminal B and they are also making some upgrades on the inside of the terminal. I haven't flown through there lately so am not sure how far along they are. I've just seen the pier from exterior a few time recently taxing by.


Does anyone know if it slipped to Sept? Delta pushed back a lot of the new flights they were launching in mid-Sept by a couple of weeks and I thought it was because of delays in Terminal A. That could just be Delta's own work in Terminal A, however.


They probably pushed back because DL is going to need to "fix" the gates back to DL standards. It was probably pushed back because of the WN move delay which is probably because construction is behind in B.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:14 am

Virgin Atlantic to LHR was showing on the departures board leaving from E1A. Were they using buses for passengers!?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:20 am

UkiAir wrote:
Virgin Atlantic to LHR was showing on the departures board leaving from E1A. Were they using buses for passengers!?


E1A is indeed a bus gate. Not exactly ideal due to the proximity to JetBlue's operations and...well, it's bussing. But much better than bussing from E8A.

Pretty much every carrier has experienced bussing this summer, including the traditionally non impacted carriers.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:04 am

FGITD wrote:
UkiAir wrote:
Virgin Atlantic to LHR was showing on the departures board leaving from E1A. Were they using buses for passengers!?


E1A is indeed a bus gate. Not exactly ideal due to the proximity to JetBlue's operations and...well, it's bussing. But much better than bussing from E8A.

Pretty much every carrier has experienced bussing this summer, including the traditionally non impacted carriers.


Curious as to why E1A is better than E8A and are they still using the latter?
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:55 am

VS4ever wrote:
FGITD wrote:
UkiAir wrote:
Virgin Atlantic to LHR was showing on the departures board leaving from E1A. Were they using buses for passengers!?


E1A is indeed a bus gate. Not exactly ideal due to the proximity to JetBlue's operations and...well, it's bussing. But much better than bussing from E8A.

Pretty much every carrier has experienced bussing this summer, including the traditionally non impacted carriers.


Curious as to why E1A is better than E8A and are they still using the latter?


In short, it's all about location.

E8A is basically just a portable computer set up directly across from where TSA spits you out, and it leads you directly downstairs to board the bus. Interesting little factoid, E8A is actually the old E6 from before the renovation/renumbering.

So it's possible to having a flight boarding at E8, E8A, have the TSA crowd mixing in, and also everyone else trying to get to/from the food court area.

E1A is a quiet area, and while I don't know definitively, it seems to fit more buses at once. It has an actual gate set up, and is just simply easier to manage.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:01 am

Couple questions about some things I saw yesterday morning and evening when I flew out of and back into BOS:

7am - saw the two BA & VS LHR morning departures next to each other. Surprisingly, BA was at E7 which I thought odd. After investing so much in their new lounge and given that passengers can board directly from it I was surprised to see BA not using “their” gate E12.

5:30pm - As we landed I noticed the busy scene over at E. Just amazing at how much growth BOS has seen from carriers all over the world. IB used an A346 yesterday. I’m curious as to whether that’s due to demand on the MAD-BOS route or more of IB just subbing out aircraft due to operational logistics?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:49 am

clrd4t8koff wrote:
Couple questions about some things I saw yesterday morning and evening when I flew out of and back into BOS:

7am - saw the two BA & VS LHR morning departures next to each other. Surprisingly, BA was at E7 which I thought odd. After investing so much in their new lounge and given that passengers can board directly from it I was surprised to see BA not using “their” gate E12.

5:30pm - As we landed I noticed the busy scene over at E. Just amazing at how much growth BOS has seen from carriers all over the world. IB used an A346 yesterday. I’m curious as to whether that’s due to demand on the MAD-BOS route or more of IB just subbing out aircraft due to operational logistics?


Probably a summer upgage. The IB A346 used to make a regular appearance at Logan. Some years back, before the flight went seasonal, it was an 346 in summer and a 330 in winter.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:38 pm

Apologies if posted upthread but when is the plan to connect Terminal A to B and B to C?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:42 pm

Lufthansa says that they'll assess the A380 in Boston and determine whether demand is sufficient enough to make it year-round. So, fill it up, Yo!

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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:40 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
Couple questions about some things I saw yesterday morning and evening when I flew out of and back into BOS:

7am - saw the two BA & VS LHR morning departures next to each other. Surprisingly, BA was at E7 which I thought odd. After investing so much in their new lounge and given that passengers can board directly from it I was surprised to see BA not using “their” gate E12.

5:30pm - As we landed I noticed the busy scene over at E. Just amazing at how much growth BOS has seen from carriers all over the world. IB used an A346 yesterday. I’m curious as to whether that’s due to demand on the MAD-BOS route or more of IB just subbing out aircraft due to operational logistics?



The daytime BA flight is an overnighter in BOS, and believe it or not, even though it arrives around 10pm, gates are still tough to come by at that time. There's also another BA flight that leaves at 2250 that's always on E12 so it seems they prefer to keep their evening flights on 12, and the morning flight will go wherever.

Also I believe your eyes may have deceived you! A 772 doesn't fit on E7. They've been going to E5/6 frequently though.


In regards to IB, it has definitely been an a330 much more often than a 346. So I wouldn't say a summer upgauge, but rather a day to day change as needed
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:30 pm

OneX123 wrote:
Apologies if posted upthread but when is the plan to connect Terminal A to B and B to C?


As of right now, a connection between A and B is in the very early stages of planning. So I doubt we'll see a connector completed before 2024. The connector from B to C however is scheduled to start construction in September and will be complete by November 2021. From the renders and plans, this is going to be a nice upgrade. The terminal C canopy and curbside project (which is going to be a major upgrade) is scheduled to be complete by April 2020.

So between the B to C connector, the C canopy and curbside, the overhaul of the roadways from B to C, the dedicated TNC areas and the terminal E expansion, Logan is going to be a very busy place construction wise for the next 3 years.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:41 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
We could throw in SFO which has a metro of 4.7 million and A380’s from EK, LH, AF & BA.

Wow, I never thought San Fran was that "small". I always imagined it to be much larger than Boston.

EK77WNH wrote:
Lufthansa says that they'll assess the A380 in Boston and determine whether demand is sufficient enough to make it year-round. So, fill it up, Yo!

The key with the A380 is and always has been the front cabin. Most/all of the airlines have a huge J cabin and it's not easy to fill nearly 100 premium seats (more if we count prem econ), in a single flight alone. Filling the back of the cabin I don't think it will ever be a problem despite it being a huge jump in capacity.

FGITD wrote:
The daytime BA flight is an overnighter in BOS, and believe it or not, even though it arrives around 10pm, gates are still tough to come by at that time. There's also another BA flight that leaves at 2250 that's always on E12 so it seems they prefer to keep their evening flights on 12, and the morning flight will go wherever.

Is the BA lounge even open for the morning departure?
I remember reading some complaints about the HA morning departure and not having access to a lounge. I'm curious if BA opens theirs.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:36 pm

FGITD wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
Couple questions about some things I saw yesterday morning and evening when I flew out of and back into BOS:

7am - saw the two BA & VS LHR morning departures next to each other. Surprisingly, BA was at E7 which I thought odd. After investing so much in their new lounge and given that passengers can board directly from it I was surprised to see BA not using “their” gate E12.

5:30pm - As we landed I noticed the busy scene over at E. Just amazing at how much growth BOS has seen from carriers all over the world. IB used an A346 yesterday. I’m curious as to whether that’s due to demand on the MAD-BOS route or more of IB just subbing out aircraft due to operational logistics?



The daytime BA flight is an overnighter in BOS, and believe it or not, even though it arrives around 10pm, gates are still tough to come by at that time. There's also another BA flight that leaves at 2250 that's always on E12 so it seems they prefer to keep their evening flights on 12, and the morning flight will go wherever.

Also I believe your eyes may have deceived you! A 772 doesn't fit on E7. They've been going to E5/6 frequently though.


In regards to IB, it has definitely been an a330 much more often than a 346. So I wouldn't say a summer upgauge, but rather a day to day change as needed


Yes, I get those gates in the middle mixed up for sure, so it could have definitely been E5/6 instead. Though I'm surprised since it sits overnight that they simply don't tow it off the stand it arrives on and then tow it over to E12 in the morning before departure to allow for better access from their Lounge.

Thanks for all your great info!
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:48 pm

As far as I know, the BA lounge is open in the morning. But lounges aren't really my area of knowledge, so very possible that I'm wrong. (We spend more of our time looking up at the lounges wishing we were in there sipping champagne)

As for why they don't tow...anyone's guess. Could be they simply don't want to. Could be easier to service the airplane without a tow at the end of the night/start of the day.

Depending on the gate usage there are definitely nights where they overnight at e12.

As for HA not having a lounge....more likely means they just didn't want to pay a premium to have someone else open their lounge at off hours. Usually lounges charge per pax, but if it requires staying open late or early, there's an additional cost since the staff, kitchen, etc all are open for one specific carrier
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:54 pm

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-10jul19/

Daily A380 on Lufthansa to Munich nice
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:41 pm

On today's Delta Q2 2019 Earnings call, Glen Hauenstein indicated that Delta's medium term target is about 200 flights a day out of BOS, targeted to be achieved in the next 18-24 months...beyond that, it will depend on how the market grows, etc.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:49 pm

BA lounge is open in the mornings. Think it opens at 6am, then closes for a couple of hours after the morning flight departs

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