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Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:16 am

https://www.massport.com/logan-forward/

Massport has created a new website to go along with their new branding of Logan Forward. Highlights all of the big projects either under way or soon to start - terminal E expansions, terminal B to C connector, terminal C canopy and curbside expansion, etc. Some good information.

The terminal B to C connector is going to be even nicer than the C gate renovation they just completed last year - higher ceilings and a lot more light.
 
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Thu Aug 01, 2019 4:21 am

B6BOSfan wrote:
tlecam wrote:
ANother rough day weather wise - looking like 40+ flights into BOS have been diverted.


Confirmed wind gusts of 74, 73, 68 and 67 all within the 3:30pm - 4pm timeframe at Logan out of the southwest and southeast.

Here's what I saw as 'diverted'



I've worked flights in most conditions you can think of, but Today was really something else. The way the weather turned, the temperature dropped, and the ferocity with which it hit...

No damage as far as I know, but a few cape air planes got blown around, GSE was no longer where it was when the ramp was closed etc.

And then the whole terminal basically became a bussing nightmare. IB cancelled, and pretty much everyone scheduled to arrive during the storm took substantial delays
 
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Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:40 am

We landed about 20 mins. late, but due to delayed DEN inbound. After arrival, sat on the ground in BOS for 10 mins. for no apparent reason until we wheeled to B23.
TWT was a traffic nightmare due to accident.
 
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Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:36 pm

One other thing I forgot to mention regarding the LEX popularity: airport workers.
My bus was nearly full yesterday and I'd say 30% of it was airport workers and flight attendants.

As far as PVD/MHT vs. LEX, to use my example from this last trip:
MHT would have cost me $140 (14 days)
LEX cost me $142 (bus+parking)
But I saved HUNDREDS (easily saved at least $1,000), by flying non-stop from BOS. It's a no-brainer.
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Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:41 pm

https://boston.curbed.com/2019/7/31/207 ... m-back-bay

Logan Express from Back Bay has seen a sizable increase in ridership.
 
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:07 am

The Logan Express is very convenient especially for Braintree. Its full of airport workers since it really is the most convenient way to get into Logan. I noticed a very large influx of Braintree attendance in the past 3 years. I also recently took the Back Bay one and it was jammed! They drop people off at the Sheraton, Hilton Back Bay and I believe the Westin too directly. Great service as well.
 
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:14 am

I think it's worth keeping in mind that the word "popularity" is relative here. It's 1.8 million riders per year, a lot of them airport/airline workers at an airport that moves 40 million annual passengers. It's a good service for some passengers, not for all passengers. Expanding it is not going to make traffic at Logan that much better but it makes sense. Not only does it create another revenue stream for Massport but at an airport that is as constrained as Logan if they can push parking away from it and get the same revenue, it can free up that space to be better utilized.
For example, LEX is a great alternative to long term parking. There's very little time gained by using Logan's long term parking vs. LEX and that garage is taking up a lot of what could be very valuable air-side real estate. In fact I think this is Massport's long term strategy based on the design for the people mover. If you look at it it doesn't actually go all the way to the garage which tells me that they don't think that garage will be there for very long.
 
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:17 am

VS4ever wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
RAM managed 76% on their first 8 flights for the BOS-CMN service. (1,674 on 2,192 available seats)


Thanks for providing those stats. I was very curious what initial loads for RAM looked like. Is 76% decent for the first 8 flights?


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Nice to see a big jump in the Middle East, I can't wait to see how much of that was as a function of the whale jet joining the fray, there's about a 30-40% increase in seats, but a 26% increase in Pax... but either way, they would have pulled more through than just running the regular 77W?


I know they’ve been flying it for a few months now, but would any of that increase be attributed to QR upgauging to the 77W? Perhaps with the B6 partnership people from DTW, PIT, CLE, etc are booking via BOS because it’s now a dedicated QSuite route. Heck even PHL doesn’t have QSuites on QR and I could see customers booking through BOS to get it.

What about LY upgauging BOS-TLV to 772 from 76W. Is TLV considered ME?


for RAM, as it's June, I would say it's a little on the low side, especially with a 3 weekly run, I would expect closer to 85%. KE for example roughly came out to 83% when they started.

QR only upgauged during Dec/Jan, reverted in Feb, unless there was another adjustment i can't find.

LY's upguage didn't start until July for the summer, so I can see a kick in the July numbers for that too, their loads on the 763 were improving for sure. Be interesting to see what happens in the Winter, as one of the weekly visits (moving to 2) is going to be the 788.


But keep in mind KE started in the middle of the month, but AT started at the end of the month.
 
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:18 am

VS4ever wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
RAM managed 76% on their first 8 flights for the BOS-CMN service. (1,674 on 2,192 available seats)


Thanks for providing those stats. I was very curious what initial loads for RAM looked like. Is 76% decent for the first 8 flights?


VS4ever wrote:
Nice to see a big jump in the Middle East, I can't wait to see how much of that was as a function of the whale jet joining the fray, there's about a 30-40% increase in seats, but a 26% increase in Pax... but either way, they would have pulled more through than just running the regular 77W?


I know they’ve been flying it for a few months now, but would any of that increase be attributed to QR upgauging to the 77W? Perhaps with the B6 partnership people from DTW, PIT, CLE, etc are booking via BOS because it’s now a dedicated QSuite route. Heck even PHL doesn’t have QSuites on QR and I could see customers booking through BOS to get it.

What about LY upgauging BOS-TLV to 772 from 76W. Is TLV considered ME?


for RAM, as it's June, I would say it's a little on the low side, especially with a 3 weekly run, I would expect closer to 85%. KE for example roughly came out to 83% when they started.

QR only upgauged during Dec/Jan, reverted in Feb, unless there was another adjustment i can't find.

LY's upguage didn't start until July for the summer, so I can see a kick in the July numbers for that too, their loads on the 763 were improving for sure. Be interesting to see what happens in the Winter, as one of the weekly visits (moving to 2) is going to be the 788.


But keep in mind KE started in the middle of the month, but AT started at the end of the month.
 
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:48 am

ram789 wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:

Thanks for providing those stats. I was very curious what initial loads for RAM looked like. Is 76% decent for the first 8 flights?




I know they’ve been flying it for a few months now, but would any of that increase be attributed to QR upgauging to the 77W? Perhaps with the B6 partnership people from DTW, PIT, CLE, etc are booking via BOS because it’s now a dedicated QSuite route. Heck even PHL doesn’t have QSuites on QR and I could see customers booking through BOS to get it.

What about LY upgauging BOS-TLV to 772 from 76W. Is TLV considered ME?


for RAM, as it's June, I would say it's a little on the low side, especially with a 3 weekly run, I would expect closer to 85%. KE for example roughly came out to 83% when they started.

QR only upgauged during Dec/Jan, reverted in Feb, unless there was another adjustment i can't find.

LY's upguage didn't start until July for the summer, so I can see a kick in the July numbers for that too, their loads on the 763 were improving for sure. Be interesting to see what happens in the Winter, as one of the weekly visits (moving to 2) is going to be the 788.


But keep in mind KE started in the middle of the month, but AT started at the end of the month.



Also they opened booking only 4 months or so before launch.
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:57 pm

Will Boston have a nonstop to Haneda? I'm going to Kyoto next month, which means Osaka. I have chosen to go Korean to Seoul on the 789 and then backtrack on their 777 hopping the Japan Sea. Same in reverse. But JAL to NRT is more of a hindrance than a help in my case.
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:25 pm

NRT is not that bad. You can take skyliner to Ueno, which is really fast. There is a really nice park nearby. Then take metro to Tokyo station and then bullet train to Kyoto. To me, it's always worth it taking the Japanese train system. Very enjoyable.

Also tokyo station is a gem. You can spend an entire day in there.
 
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:20 pm

tphuang wrote:
NRT is not that bad. You can take skyliner to Ueno, which is really fast. There is a really nice park nearby. Then take metro to Tokyo station and then bullet train to Kyoto. To me, it's always worth it taking the Japanese train system. Very enjoyable.

Also tokyo station is a gem. You can spend an entire day in there.


This 100%. The Skyliner is a piece of cake, and like all things Japanese in Japan...extremely reliable and clean. No reason really to not take the NRT flight unless is lands late at night, which I don't think it does
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Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:47 pm

Interesting article on BOS and DL/B6 by Ned Russell.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/can-delta ... -hub-city/

“Delta and JetBlue are both focused on growing in Boston. Delta will increase seats roughly 15.5% year-over-year as it adds a slew of new routes from Logan, including Chicago O’Hare (ORD), Lisbon (LIS) and Washington Reagan National (DCA), this year, according to Diio by Cirium schedule data.

JetBlue is set to increase seats by roughly 7.3% year-over-year in 2019, the data shows. The airline is adding flights on a number of existing routes, for example to Washington National, and opening new markets, including Palm Springs (PSP) and Rochester (ROC) in New York.

The next three largest carriers in Boston – American Airlines, United Airlines and Southwest Airlines – are all schedule to reduce seats this year, according to Diio. Seats will decrease by 5.6% year-over-year on both American and United, and by 12.7% on Southwest.“
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Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:27 pm

AA is starting BOS-PHL with a 763 RON in Oct. with the following dates:
3rd-11th
15th-25th
28th-31st
Dates also look like they creep into Nov. as well!

https://thepointsguy.com/news/fly-aa-be ... estically/
 
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Sat Aug 03, 2019 4:18 pm

Anyone been in the high B gates lately and seen how the construction is going? Are the gates almost ready for WN to move in yet?
 
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Sat Aug 03, 2019 4:40 pm

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Anyone been in the high B gates lately and seen how the construction is going? Are the gates almost ready for WN to move in yet?


I have not but I know NK has been using B35 and B35A (new gate) for quite some time now. That does give the idea that the two new gates are done and finished. UA still has flights departing from the pier as well.
 
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Sat Aug 03, 2019 4:57 pm

jsteeves3 wrote:
AA is starting BOS-PHL with a 763 RON in Oct. with the following dates:
3rd-11th
15th-25th
28th-31st
Dates also look like they creep into Nov. as well!

https://thepointsguy.com/news/fly-aa-be ... estically/


Nice! One of my frequent routes. I’d love to experience that.
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Sat Aug 03, 2019 6:18 pm

Nice to see a 380 go pretty much over the top my house, only had my phone and I am sure they would pass the screeners to upload to the photos section of the site

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1s5DFOy ... p=drivesdk

https://drive.google.com/file/d/11S18A5 ... p=drivesdk

Hope the links work, I have a feeling I saw the BA version earlier that literally was vertically above my house but didn’t grab a picture of it unfortunately
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Sat Aug 03, 2019 7:27 pm

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Nice to see a 380 go pretty much over the top my house, only had my phone and I am sure they would pass the screeners to upload to the photos section of the site

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1s5DFOy ... p=drivesdk

https://drive.google.com/file/d/11S18A5 ... p=drivesdk

Hope the links work, I have a feeling I saw the BA version earlier that literally was vertically above my house but didn’t grab a picture of it unfortunately



Nice photos. The 380 is a fun one, on the rare occasions it takes off from 33L, it brings most of C and E to a brief halt while everyone watches.

Would love to post some photos here but unfortunately they'd give away more info than I'm comfortable with. Perhaps I'll try to get some more generic ones to share
 
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Sat Aug 03, 2019 7:29 pm

FGITD wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
Nice to see a 380 go pretty much over the top my house, only had my phone and I am sure they would pass the screeners to upload to the photos section of the site

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1s5DFOy ... p=drivesdk

https://drive.google.com/file/d/11S18A5 ... p=drivesdk

Hope the links work, I have a feeling I saw the BA version earlier that literally was vertically above my house but didn’t grab a picture of it unfortunately



Nice photos. The 380 is a fun one, on the rare occasions it takes off from 33L, it brings most of C and E to a brief halt while everyone watches.

Would love to post some photos here but unfortunately they'd give away more info than I'm comfortable with. Perhaps I'll try to get some more generic ones to share


Thank you, and we all know that you are a secret Massport big wig trying to play down your position. Don’t worry your secret is safe with us :)
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:03 pm

Continuing a recent thread of convo about DL/ BOS growth along with WN, AA and UA educations, in the OAG thread NK appears to be reducing a lot of routes ex-bos compared to last year.

NK BOS-BWI FEB 0.8>2[2] APR 0>1.4[2]
NK BOS-FLL FEB 0.7>2[1.9] APR 0>1.4[2]
NK BOS-LAS FEB 0.4>1.0[1.0] APR 0>0.7[1.0]
NK BOS-MCO FEB 0.8>1.9[1.9] APR 0>1.4[2]
NK BOS-MSY FEB 0.3>0.9[0.9] APR 0>0.7[1.0]
NK BOS-MYR FEB 0.4>1.0[1.0] APR 0>0.7[1.0]
NK BOS-PBI FEB 0.4>1.0[1.0] APR 0>0.7[1.5]
NK BOS-RDU FEB 0.4>1.0[0] MAR 0>1.0[0] APR 0>0.7[0]
NK BOS-RSW FEB 0.4>1.6[2] APR 0>1.4[2]
NK BOS-TPA FEB 0.4>1.0[1.0] APR 0>0.7[1.5]
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:02 pm

tlecam wrote:
Continuing a recent thread of convo about DL/ BOS growth along with WN, AA and UA educations, in the OAG thread NK appears to be reducing a lot of routes ex-bos compared to last year.

NK BOS-BWI FEB 0.8>2[2] APR 0>1.4[2]
NK BOS-FLL FEB 0.7>2[1.9] APR 0>1.4[2]
NK BOS-LAS FEB 0.4>1.0[1.0] APR 0>0.7[1.0]
NK BOS-MCO FEB 0.8>1.9[1.9] APR 0>1.4[2]
NK BOS-MSY FEB 0.3>0.9[0.9] APR 0>0.7[1.0]
NK BOS-MYR FEB 0.4>1.0[1.0] APR 0>0.7[1.0]
NK BOS-PBI FEB 0.4>1.0[1.0] APR 0>0.7[1.5]
NK BOS-RDU FEB 0.4>1.0[0] MAR 0>1.0[0] APR 0>0.7[0]
NK BOS-RSW FEB 0.4>1.6[2] APR 0>1.4[2]
NK BOS-TPA FEB 0.4>1.0[1.0] APR 0>0.7[1.5]


April is a partial schedule if I read Enilra’s notes right and if you check Feb only RSW has dropped.
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:47 pm

jsteeves3 wrote:
KMCOFlyer wrote:
Anyone been in the high B gates lately and seen how the construction is going? Are the gates almost ready for WN to move in yet?


I have not but I know NK has been using B35 and B35A (new gate) for quite some time now. That does give the idea that the two new gates are done and finished. UA still has flights departing from the pier as well.


United has been given 3 gates in the pier. So you will have United with 3 gates, Southwest with 5 gates, Alaska with 2 gates and Spirit with 2 gates.
 
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:49 pm

So, CAA numbers are out for June:

Edinburgh 8,850 pax
Heathrow 100,162 vs 86,935 up 15%
Gatwick has not been updated
 
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So, CAA numbers are out for June:

Edinburgh 8,850 pax
Heathrow 100,162 vs 86,935 up 15%
Gatwick has not been updated


That puts the loads for EDI at 90% for the month
As for LHR, 13,000 increase is huge, but I am curious where the uplift of that magnitude is coming from, I know the 2nd VS flight will be part of it, but is the BA 380 also having an effect on that too.
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:18 pm

VS4ever wrote:
airway1 wrote:
So, CAA numbers are out for June:

Edinburgh 8,850 pax
Heathrow 100,162 vs 86,935 up 15%
Gatwick has not been updated


That puts the loads for EDI at 90% for the month
As for LHR, 13,000 increase is huge, but I am curious where the uplift of that magnitude is coming from, I know the 2nd VS flight will be part of it, but is the BA 380 also having an effect on that too.



It seems the a380 is giving them an uplift and must be More pax flying on all flights. Would be interesting to see how Gatwick is doing. Also, let’s not forget Stansted last year had 5500 pax. Just seems there is more hidden demand for London Especially with the cheaper pound
 
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:05 pm

airway1 wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
airway1 wrote:
So, CAA numbers are out for June:

Edinburgh 8,850 pax
Heathrow 100,162 vs 86,935 up 15%
Gatwick has not been updated


That puts the loads for EDI at 90% for the month
As for LHR, 13,000 increase is huge, but I am curious where the uplift of that magnitude is coming from, I know the 2nd VS flight will be part of it, but is the BA 380 also having an effect on that too.



It seems the a380 is giving them an uplift and must be More pax flying on all flights. Would be interesting to see how Gatwick is doing. Also, let’s not forget Stansted last year had 5500 pax. Just seems there is more hidden demand for London Especially with the cheaper pound


Just shows you that JetBlue is completely behind the ball.
 
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:47 pm

airway1 wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
airway1 wrote:
So, CAA numbers are out for June:

Edinburgh 8,850 pax
Heathrow 100,162 vs 86,935 up 15%
Gatwick has not been updated


That puts the loads for EDI at 90% for the month
As for LHR, 13,000 increase is huge, but I am curious where the uplift of that magnitude is coming from, I know the 2nd VS flight will be part of it, but is the BA 380 also having an effect on that too.



It seems the a380 is giving them an uplift and must be More pax flying on all flights. Would be interesting to see how Gatwick is doing. Also, let’s not forget Stansted last year had 5500 pax. Just seems there is more hidden demand for London Especially with the cheaper pound


VS had 5138 pax on BOS-MAN about 74% Load Factor.
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:16 pm

BA didn’t send 239 across tonight, but VS did send 157. So we know of one flight tomorrow that’s a casualty of the work slowdown.
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:48 pm

adamh8297 wrote:
airway1 wrote:
VS4ever wrote:

That puts the loads for EDI at 90% for the month
As for LHR, 13,000 increase is huge, but I am curious where the uplift of that magnitude is coming from, I know the 2nd VS flight will be part of it, but is the BA 380 also having an effect on that too.



It seems the a380 is giving them an uplift and must be More pax flying on all flights. Would be interesting to see how Gatwick is doing. Also, let’s not forget Stansted last year had 5500 pax. Just seems there is more hidden demand for London Especially with the cheaper pound


VS had 5138 pax on BOS-MAN about 74% Load Factor.

Given they are no longer fighting MT, not terribly impressive for June.
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Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:50 pm

I was out spotting for the first time at BOS, and noticed that El Al left at 3pm instead of the typical 9pm departure.
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Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:09 pm

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JetBlue is set to increase seats by roughly 7.3% year-over-year in 2019, the data shows. The airline is adding flights on a number of existing routes, for example to Washington National, and opening new markets, including Palm Springs (PSP) and Rochester (ROC) in New York.

The next three largest carriers in Boston – American Airlines, United Airlines and Southwest Airlines – are all schedule to reduce seats this year, according to Diio. Seats will decrease by 5.6% year-over-year on both American and United, and by 12.7% on Southwest.“


That's an interesting observation but one has to ask how much of that across AA/UA/WN is due to MAX groundings, not just BOS competition.

The dual-hub argument should get some traction. BOS has more O&D traffic than SEA (maybe domestic - my source doesn't specify) and there's also the example of both WN and AA at PHX, which has even less O&D. The competition will be good for destination count, price and frequency, if not for yields.
 
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Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:22 pm

Is there anything precluding ANA from flying to Boston from Haneda? Would the agreement between both countries prohibit or allow it?
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:49 pm

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Is there anything precluding ANA from flying to Boston from Haneda? Would the agreement between both countries prohibit or allow it?


Well US-Japan is technically open skies, however of course there was the whole to-do about the 12 day time slots for the US carriers back in May, so they are precluded from adding any more, unless more are released. From what i've been to research quickly, there doesn't appears to be anything stopping ANA from doing so, but not sure they have any slots on their side either to run it. With JL filling out their aircraft a bit more these days and with their limited capacity 789's, I do wonder if there is a potential hole here for ANA to offer Haneda.
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Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:52 pm

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EK77WNH wrote:
Is there anything precluding ANA from flying to Boston from Haneda? Would the agreement between both countries prohibit or allow it?


Well US-Japan is technically open skies, however of course there was the whole to-do about the 12 day time slots for the US carriers back in May, so they are precluded from adding any more, unless more are released. From what i've been to research quickly, there doesn't appears to be anything stopping ANA from doing so, but not sure they have any slots on their side either to run it. With JL filling out their aircraft a bit more these days and with their limited capacity 789's, I do wonder if there is a potential hole here for ANA to offer Haneda.


Is there a rule specific to U.S. route slots? I would think that by virtue of having a hub there that ANA is slot sitting on a few and has the flexibility to move flights to "make slots" available, similar to what BA does at LHR.
 
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Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:22 pm

Or, Delta might be wise to try Haneda-Boston now that they're ditching NRT. They're the only U.S. carrier with the capability and the enthusiasm for Boston.
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Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:24 pm

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Or, Delta might be wise to try Haneda-Boston now that they're ditching NRT. They're the only U.S. carrier with the capability and the enthusiasm for Boston.

They had the opportunity to file for that route when HND slots became available and they did not. I think JL/NH are both possible given the available new slots at HND.
 
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Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:37 pm

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EK77WNH wrote:
Or, Delta might be wise to try Haneda-Boston now that they're ditching NRT. They're the only U.S. carrier with the capability and the enthusiasm for Boston.

They had the opportunity to file for that route when HND slots became available and they did not. I think JL/NH are both possible given the available new slots at HND.


DL bid for 6 slots at the time, and only got 5, they went to SEA, DTW, ATL, PDX and HNL. So the answer right now is no. Of those the weakest link is probably PDX and of course the sky would turn red and giant frogs would fall from it if they moved DTW to BOS and our resident fanboy might (figuratively only) jump from the Ambassador Bridge if they were to take their Haneda flight away. what I don't know is if DL tries to switch any of those 5, do they get to keep the slot, or does it go up for grabs, If it's the latter, no way are they going to want to fight AA for them, if it's the former, it would not be unrealistic to assume they might give it a go. Given their plan to be "preferred choice airline" and we know damn well B6 isn't going to the Far East.
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Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:42 pm

It sure would be a P.R. dream at DL to announce BOS-HND at the same time B6 announced details for service to Europe. "Sticking it to the Man," as that old commercial said.
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Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:26 pm

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tphuang wrote:
EK77WNH wrote:
Or, Delta might be wise to try Haneda-Boston now that they're ditching NRT. They're the only U.S. carrier with the capability and the enthusiasm for Boston.

They had the opportunity to file for that route when HND slots became available and they did not. I think JL/NH are both possible given the available new slots at HND.


DL bid for 6 slots at the time, and only got 5, they went to SEA, DTW, ATL, PDX and HNL. So the answer right now is no. Of those the weakest link is probably PDX and of course the sky would turn red and giant frogs would fall from it if they moved DTW to BOS and our resident fanboy might (figuratively only) jump from the Ambassador Bridge if they were to take their Haneda flight away. what I don't know is if DL tries to switch any of those 5, do they get to keep the slot, or does it go up for grabs, If it's the latter, no way are they going to want to fight AA for them, if it's the former, it would not be unrealistic to assume they might give it a go. Given their plan to be "preferred choice airline" and we know damn well B6 isn't going to the Far East.

I am under the impression these kind of awards cannot be switched without going through dot bidding process again.
 
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Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:30 pm

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what I don't know is if DL tries to switch any of those 5, do they get to keep the slot, or does it go up for grabs, If it's the latter, no way are they going to want to fight AA for them, if it's the former, it would not be unrealistic to assume they might give it a go. Given their plan to be "preferred choice airline" and we know damn well B6 isn't going to the Far East.

Even if they could switch, there's still the problem of having to rotate an A359 or 777 thru BOS which at this point in time doesn't seem very feasible, or the ideal equipment for such a route. We had the same discussion regarding a potential BOS-India route.
 
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Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:38 pm

airbazar wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
what I don't know is if DL tries to switch any of those 5, do they get to keep the slot, or does it go up for grabs, If it's the latter, no way are they going to want to fight AA for them, if it's the former, it would not be unrealistic to assume they might give it a go. Given their plan to be "preferred choice airline" and we know damn well B6 isn't going to the Far East.

Even if they could switch, there's still the problem of having to rotate an A359 or 777 thru BOS which at this point in time doesn't seem very feasible, or the ideal equipment for such a route. We had the same discussion regarding a potential BOS-India route.


It takes essentially three planes in your fleet to run Transpac from BOS.

I think DL is very comfortable having their BOS customers go through ICN, DTW, SEA, or even AMS/CDG when applicable for Asia. I'm sure if they ever got closer with MU, PVG would be a consideration but it still may wind up being the CN3 carrier running the route.
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Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:48 pm

adamh8297 wrote:
airbazar wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
what I don't know is if DL tries to switch any of those 5, do they get to keep the slot, or does it go up for grabs, If it's the latter, no way are they going to want to fight AA for them, if it's the former, it would not be unrealistic to assume they might give it a go. Given their plan to be "preferred choice airline" and we know damn well B6 isn't going to the Far East.

Even if they could switch, there's still the problem of having to rotate an A359 or 777 thru BOS which at this point in time doesn't seem very feasible, or the ideal equipment for such a route. We had the same discussion regarding a potential BOS-India route.


It takes essentially three planes in your fleet to run Transpac from BOS.

I think DL is very comfortable having their BOS customers go through ICN, DTW, SEA, or even AMS/CDG when applicable for Asia. I'm sure if they ever got closer with MU, PVG would be a consideration but it still may wind up being the CN3 carrier running the route.

China has a one carrier one route policy. So only hu can fly that route unless they give it up.
 
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Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:46 am

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China has a one carrier one route policy. So only hu can fly that route unless they give it up.

Not anymore.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chin ... SKCN1IF0SR
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:31 pm

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jsteeves3 wrote:
KMCOFlyer wrote:
Anyone been in the high B gates lately and seen how the construction is going? Are the gates almost ready for WN to move in yet?


I have not but I know NK has been using B35 and B35A (new gate) for quite some time now. That does give the idea that the two new gates are done and finished. UA still has flights departing from the pier as well.


United has been given 3 gates in the pier. So you will have United with 3 gates, Southwest with 5 gates, Alaska with 2 gates and Spirit with 2 gates.


Yeah I flew in a few weeks ago and we pulled into one of these. [Wonder why they're using them when they have plenty of spare at their current B gates.] Spirit also had a few departures from this per as well (in addition to 37 &38). Not a whole lot going on here with the construction.
 
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Thu Aug 08, 2019 2:57 pm

Another BOS A380 data point: EK brings theirs back on Jun 1, 2020, just as they did this year. That leaves BA to commit, which they will likely do. That means three daily A380s at Logan for the summer 2020 season.
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Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:10 pm

Flew in on LX 52 last night after a nice European vacation with the family. Arrived at 8pm right in time for the summer night rush at customs. Naturally it was insane, but had a trick up my sleeve. Used the new mobile passport app and was able to get thru in under 5 minutes. We passed the entire immigration hall that was filled to the brim. The best part is its free, and you can use it as an individual or as a family. I paid for the 15 dollar pro version just so I could scan all the passports instead of entering them in manually. We were the only ones in the line, even quicker than the people with Global Entry next to us.

So I guess giving away this tip might not be the best way to keep that line so short. But I figured people that don't have Global Entry would appreciate knowing. The fact that you can use it for the kids without even having to pay anything is fantastic. https://mobilepassport.us/
 
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Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:11 pm

jsteeves3 wrote:
AA is starting BOS-PHL with a 763 RON in Oct. with the following dates:
3rd-11th
15th-25th
28th-31st
Dates also look like they creep into Nov. as well!

https://thepointsguy.com/news/fly-aa-be ... estically/


Nice - I’ll consider catching that for a day trip to philly. They did this with an a330 a couple years back, glad to see another domestic widebody at BOS.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:05 pm

pitbosflyer wrote:
Flew in on LX 52 last night after a nice European vacation with the family. Arrived at 8pm right in time for the summer night rush at customs. Naturally it was insane, but had a trick up my sleeve. Used the new mobile passport app and was able to get thru in under 5 minutes. We passed the entire immigration hall that was filled to the brim. The best part is its free, and you can use it as an individual or as a family. I paid for the 15 dollar pro version just so I could scan all the passports instead of entering them in manually. We were the only ones in the line, even quicker than the people with Global Entry next to us.

So I guess giving away this tip might not be the best way to keep that line so short. But I figured people that don't have Global Entry would appreciate knowing. The fact that you can use it for the kids without even having to pay anything is fantastic. https://mobilepassport.us/


Yup ... we have been using the free version since last year .... at BOS, I used it twice and both times we were the only family in the line ... and even at JFK, there were just 2-3 folks ahead of us, while Global Entry had 10-12 at least. Mobile Passport rocks! :bigthumbsup:

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