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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:32 am

It'll be interesting to see who takes the new club space in the E expansion? Per the plans, there's space for 4 airline clubs. BA and LH already have their new clubs about E10-12 and EK added one in Boston. Maybe Boston will get a Centurion Lounge?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:40 am

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It'll be interesting to see who takes the new club space in the E expansion? Per the plans, there's space for 4 airline clubs. BA and LH already have their new clubs about E10-12 and EK added one in Boston. Maybe Boston will get a Centurion Lounge?


With KL & KE now in town it wouldn’t surprise me if AF opens a new lounge. I’ve wondered if TK would consider opening one.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:07 am

I think AF is already planning to move out of the basement to one of the new spots. Will be interesting to see if AF and VS team up with the new JV.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:09 am

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Holy smokes! Treasure trove of data here:
https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/859c15_f ... 564d1b.pdf

It came from the Chicago thread via a French forum. A Swiss/French marketing agency put together stats primarily for GVA-BOS/CHI markets. I put CHI since I am not sure if MDW factors in (someone flying DL MDW-DTW-AMS for example)

What is listed:
2018
Top 25 BOS/CHI markets to Western Europe with revenue and yield per passenger.
Top 20 Airline share markets to Western Europe from BOS/CHI
Top 20 Revenue by airlines to Western Europe from BOS/CHI
GVA-BOS/CHI O+D by month
GVA-BOS/CHI Point of sale origin
GVA-BOS/CHI Premium vs Economy splits

The two biggest surprises to me are BOS-BCN O+D now being quite larger than BOS-MAD and DY/DI having a higher fare/revenue per passenger than VS for Western Europe revenue. It is important to note stage length wasn't considered for that "yield" section.

Have fun!


Is it me or is anyone else surprised by how much larger the BOS traffic is compared to CHI? Chicago larger in population by a decent amount.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:11 pm

Based on what I've seen, I would guess at least TAP will depart from E. Aer Lingus might actually just stay in C. JetBlue might lose the gates temporarily, but I think they're going to have much better access to E1-3. Except I do know for sure that Porter and JetBlue are going to have a new neighbor in that C-E area. Current airline in BOS will be moving to that corner
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:43 pm

Cabo Verde Airlines is closing flights to Praia this October. Seems like a good time for DL or eventually even B6 to pick up that relatively high demand route. 2-4 times a week on a 757 would be extremely beneficial on DL.
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:55 pm

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Cabo Verde Airlines is closing flights to Praia this October. Seems like a good time for DL or eventually even B6 to pick up that relatively high demand route. 2-4 times a week on a 757 would be extremely beneficial on DL.


High Demand? You can’t even arrive and depart on the same day on a 1 weekly rotation. I hardly call that high demand and while it’s a 757 the loads with that have not exactly set the world on fire, like a level to BCN has. maybe it’s Cabo Verde that’s the problem, but still, I don’t get this.

So I very much doubt B6 and DL on that basis are going to pick this up, maybe it will go back to PVD.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:01 pm

Note the 'relative' next to high demand.

Unfortunately, PVD is even less likely as the airline is suspending all long haul flights.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:21 pm

tlecam wrote:
adamh8297 wrote:
Holy smokes! Treasure trove of data here:
https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/859c15_f ... 564d1b.pdf

It came from the Chicago thread via a French forum. A Swiss/French marketing agency put together stats primarily for GVA-BOS/CHI markets. I put CHI since I am not sure if MDW factors in (someone flying DL MDW-DTW-AMS for example)

What is listed:
2018
Top 25 BOS/CHI markets to Western Europe with revenue and yield per passenger.
Top 20 Airline share markets to Western Europe from BOS/CHI
Top 20 Revenue by airlines to Western Europe from BOS/CHI
GVA-BOS/CHI O+D by month
GVA-BOS/CHI Point of sale origin
GVA-BOS/CHI Premium vs Economy splits

The two biggest surprises to me are BOS-BCN O+D now being quite larger than BOS-MAD and DY/DI having a higher fare/revenue per passenger than VS for Western Europe revenue. It is important to note stage length wasn't considered for that "yield" section.

Have fun!


Is it me or is anyone else surprised by how much larger the BOS traffic is compared to CHI? Chicago larger in population by a decent amount.


It is buoyed by a few markets - London, Portugal, Paris (surprisingly), secondary UK and Ireland, are much larger but seemed neck and neck with some large (FCO, AMS) and some smaller (ARN, BRU). It seemed like many Star Alliance hubs have larger traffic to CHI too (ZRH, FRA,). BOS vs WAS is similar in comparison as well.

A couple of markets in which CHI has massively larger amounts of traffic than BOS are Poland and non-Cancun Mexico.
Airlines flown: A3, AA, AC, AF, AM, BA, B6, CA, CO, CX, DL, EA, EL, IB, LH, MI, MQ, NH, NW, NZ, OU, PE, QF, S4, SQ, TP, UA, US, VS, WE, WN

2019: CX BOS-HKG, WE HKG-HKT, CA HKT-PEK-EWR, B6 EWR-BOS
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:54 pm

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massachoicetts wrote:
Cabo Verde Airlines is closing flights to Praia this October. Seems like a good time for DL or eventually even B6 to pick up that relatively high demand route. 2-4 times a week on a 757 would be extremely beneficial on DL.


High Demand? You can’t even arrive and depart on the same day on a 1 weekly rotation. I hardly call that high demand and while it’s a 757 the loads with that have not exactly set the world on fire, like a level to BCN has. maybe it’s Cabo Verde that’s the problem, but still, I don’t get this.

So I very much doubt B6 and DL on that basis are going to pick this up, maybe it will go back to PVD.


That flight is moving to SID-IAD starting Dec.8th
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 1:29 am

B752OS wrote:
mikegigs wrote:
adamh8297 wrote:

This report is O+D and O+D has to be purchased from Sabre or other MIDT provider.

T100 is not O+D it is just the flight pax counts so an AF BOS-CDG flight on the T-100 includes people flying BOS-CDG, BOS-CDG-GVA, BNA-BOS-CDG on DL/AF ticket etc.

Adam


Makes much more sense now - thanks! That really gives you an idea of how important connecting traffic is, as multiple cities I saw had T100 (O+D plus connecting) numbers were about 30-40% higher than the O+D only data.


Absolutely regarding the importance of connecting traffic. Just look at the PDEW numbers all the cities that don't have non-stop service to Boston - Athens, Brussels, Vienna, Stockholm, etc. That's hundreds of people every day each way needing to connect via CDG, AMS, LHR, FRA, etc.



I compared the 2011 Brookings Numbers to the 2018 consultant numbers for Western Europe and here are some fun facts and top 5's.

- The top 25 markets were the same between the two data sheets but positions changed quite a bit
-Top 3 markets did not change LON CDG DUB. I don't think that would have been the case if it weren't for DY and PF. DUB would have been two.
- BOS-ZRH had an increase in service during this period but a statistically insignificant increase in O+D.
- The 2018 report considered ZAG to be in Western Europe since it cracked Top 25 for ORD which has been boggling my mind.


Top 5 Pax Gains (in thousands)

LON - 227
KEF - 165
DUB - 85
BCN - 58
CDG - 54

Top 5 Lowest Gains in thousands
FRA lost 13
MAD lost 7
BRU lost .5
ZRH gained .4
VCE gained .6

Top 5 Percentage Gains
KEF 372%
LIS 157%
BCN 125%
MAN 115%
PDL 94%

Lowest 5 Percentage Gains Same order as pax
FRA lost 14%
MAD lost 10%
BRU lost 1.5%
ZRH gained .6%
VCE gained 2.2%

KEF had the largest ranking jump (12 to 4) and ZRH had the biggest drop (8 to 15).
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 2:45 am

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tphuang wrote:
So ei and tp are going to move out of c?


Appears that way, I’ve wondered however, can a 330 fit at E1-E3, because for EI, that would mean closest to Terminal C and they can have their pax turn left and exit out of C rather than exit out of E given pre-clearance. TP is the oddball and would be better out of E anyway.

I have a feeling that EI is more O&D than TAP. It has been reported in different sources that 50% of all TAP traffic at BOS is connecting traffic. That's probably a mix of LIS connections and BOS connections but nevertheless TP does a ton of connections in Boston so they will probably want to be closest to terminal C.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 10:52 am

Pretty sight this early AM if you are Deltoid. .. 5 DL planes parked at the former WN gates at terminal A. They all appeared to be DL Connection aircraft. Not sing the gates as fast as I can tell for boarding, just overnight parking.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 3:04 pm

Flew AerLingus J for the first time last night. Thought it was a mixed bag.
Lounge across C19 is bare bones, but functional. Gate area C21 is a zoo. If it were up to me I would move EI to the more "exclusive" Terminal E.
Onboard hard product is good, service was ok. Very VERY informal. "Hey you"???
Connecting in DUB easy but in involved a transfer to a bus gate. Not a fan of that. Lounge was again tiny but functional.
If the price was really good I would fly EI again. Otherwise I stick to the legacies.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 3:22 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
Flew AerLingus J for the first time last night. Thought it was a mixed bag.
Lounge across C19 is bare bones, but functional. Gate area C21 is a zoo. If it were up to me I would move EI to the more "exclusive" Terminal E.
Onboard hard product is good, service was ok. Very VERY informal. "Hey you"???
Connecting in DUB easy but in involved a transfer to a bus gate. Not a fan of that. Lounge was again tiny but functional.
If the price was really good I would fly EI again. Otherwise I stick to the legacies.


In what world is EI not a legacy carrier?
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Sat Aug 31, 2019 3:22 pm

With legacy I mean BA, DL, AF/KL, LH, LX, IB.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 5:22 pm

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With legacy I mean BA, DL, AF/KL, LH, LX, IB.

Actually none of those are legacy carriers and neither is EI :)
Technically, Legacy carriers are U.S. carriers that existed prior to the Deregulation Act of 1978. Southwest is a Legacy Carrier.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_carrier
I've never heard any non-U.S. airline be referred to as a legacy carrier. And if you were, LX didn't exist prior to 1978 so that would be wrong too.
I've seen people use the term to refer to any full service network carrier, which is incorrect.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 5:25 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
With legacy I mean BA, DL, AF/KL, LH, LX, IB.


And EI is the flag carrier of Ireland has been flying every bit as long as the others. Is owned by the same company that owns BA and IB. You just choose to make that statement to fit fit a incorrect narrative. But then I’m feeding the troll so I will stop.
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Sat Aug 31, 2019 5:57 pm

OK, fine, whatever. No "legacy". But my brief review of EI still stands.
 
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Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:35 pm

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It'll be interesting to see who takes the new club space in the E expansion? Per the plans, there's space for 4 airline clubs. BA and LH already have their new clubs about E10-12 and EK added one in Boston. Maybe Boston will get a Centurion Lounge?


Hmm - would be nice to see. Amex is strongly aligned with DL, so new domestic Centurion Lounge locations seem to be selected with significant attention to impact on AA & UA, e.g., forthcoming CLT [AA hub], DEN [UA hub] and PHX [AA hub] locations. That would not favor a new Centurion in BOS. Another possibility for the new club spaces is airlines opening their own clubs in order to stop being a tenant at another club - e.g., TK moving out of the LH club.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:44 am

It's only going to be 3 new lounges.

I have no idea about who's taking them ( the world of loading airplanes and premium lounges doesn't seem to overlap too much these days.)

But if I had to venture a guess, I'd say AF and VS will be given first pick. For one, I happen to know of a certain carrier moving to E eventually that would love their own lounge by the narrow body gates, where AF is now. But also it just seems to be the way massport works. Be a loyal tenant, and they'll help you back.

Personally I think alliance style lounges are the way to go. Why not a skyteam lounge? AF, KL, AZ, KE, and the like. Lounges have to find outside customers to make money anyway. Might as well keep it in the family
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:35 am

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For one, I happen to know of a certain carrier moving to E eventually that would love their own lounge by the narrow body gates, where AF is now. But also it just seems to be the way massport works. Be a loyal tenant, and they'll help you back.


That has to be AS!
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Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:00 pm

Today's BOS changes from the OAG thread, as there are a few, i've split them for easy reading (always thanks to enilria for his hard work on producing all of this)

Increases

AS BOS-SAN MAY 1.0>1.3[1.0] JUN 1.0>2[1.0] - this, i believe is the new morning flight from SAN being added.
DL BOS-DUB MAR 0>0.5[0.1] - Earlier start for DUB this year, promising sign.
F9 BOS-RDU NOV 0.3>0.5[0] DEC 0>0.5[0] JAN 0>0.4[0] FEB 0>0.4[0] - Keeping this one through the winter...


Changes but flat to Prior Year

AA BOS-DFW DEC 8>6[6]
UA BOS-IAH FEB 4>3[3]
UA BOS-ORD FEB 7>6[6]
UA BOS-SFO FEB 6>5[5]

Decreases (marked by enilria as interesting) - continuing to shrink their frequencies for the most part, except for that curious increase to DCA in Jan. My only wonder is flight equipment size increase to compensate, they've done that a bit to keep their seat count up in the market.

*AA BOS-DCA NOV 13>10[13] DEC 14>10[10] JAN 14>13[12]
*AA BOS-JFK NOV 3>1.7[3] DEC 6>2[3]
*AA BOS-LGA NOV 10>8[10] DEC 12>8[8] JAN 12>11[10]
*AA BOS-MIA NOV 6>5[6]
*AA BOS-ORD NOV 8>7[8] DEC 9>6[7]


Other Decreases

VS BOS-MAN JUN 0.4>0[0.4] - official killing off of the VS version, to be replaced by DL in due course
WN ATL-BOS NOV 0.4>0.2[2] - No more ATL after the beginning of Nov
WN BOS-MCI NOV 0.3>0.1[1.3] - No more MCI after the beginning of Nov.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:09 pm

I am going to do some research on what AA is doing in December with those ORD flights.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:42 pm

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But if I had to venture a guess, I'd say AF and VS will be given first pick. For one, I happen to know of a certain carrier moving to E eventually that would love their own lounge by the narrow body gates, where AF is now. But also it just seems to be the way massport works. Be a loyal tenant, and they'll help you back.

Personally I think alliance style lounges are the way to go. Why not a skyteam lounge? AF, KL, AZ, KE, and the like. Lounges have to find outside customers to make money anyway. Might as well keep it in the family


If memory serves, the lounge space below the departure level in the original terminal E building will be taken back by Massport as part of the Terminal E expansion plans. That includes the current AF and VS lounges, so I sure hope AF and VS are given replacement opportunities in the new space. Even though VS is looking more and more like a Delta subsidiary (from a business perspective, at least trans-atlantic), I'd be surprised to see the AF and VS lounges merge as the VS lounges are a key part of the Virgin brand experience. The other lounge down there is The Club, whose existence is justified by (unaligned) airlines that have no other lounge access, e.g., DI/DY and QR.

Boston already effectively has alliance lounges, even though each is branded/operated by one airline. The AF lounge in BOS is a Skyteam lounge [1], including KL and AZ, as well as a number of additional airlines, e.g., KE (Skyteam, but not listed on Skyteam page) and HU. Similarly, the BA lounge is the one world lounge and the LH lounge is the Star lounge [2] (AF lounge not shown in that image because it's accessed from the other end of the terminal).

[1] https://www.skyteam.com/en/lounges/loun ... ntl%20(BOS)
[2] https://s3-media1.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto ... vLNQ/o.jpg
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:09 pm

Unless it’s changed in recent months Qatar was relegated to The Club in the basement and not the BA lounge.

Where does TAM go?

Not quite a OW lounge
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:53 pm

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Unless it’s changed in recent months Qatar was relegated to The Club in the basement and not the BA lounge.

Where does TAM go?

Not quite a OW lounge

Agree, and QR lounge usage has not changed, AFAIK - "effectively" was meant to apply to all 3 alliance lounges. QR's one world membership is in an interesting/peculiar state given their relationship to BA (frenemies?), so QR's exclusion from the BA lounge should not come as a surprise. I don't know what AT does at BOS for a lounge.
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:54 pm

adamh8297 wrote:

That has to be AS!


Ahh but you're thinking of putting a domestic carrier into what Massport wants to be the home of international carriers. Interesting idea though.

The most recent plans I've seen no longer take the AF/VS lounge space on the lower level. I think the AF area actually has the potential to expand, as there are some offices in that area that are slated to be moved.

Not sure if it was on previous versions, but I did also notice the monorail idea was really solidified now. I think it's moved past the study phase
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:13 pm

FGITD wrote:
adamh8297 wrote:

That has to be AS!


Ahh but you're thinking of putting a domestic carrier into what Massport wants to be the home of international carriers. Interesting idea though.

The most recent plans I've seen no longer take the AF/VS lounge space on the lower level. I think the AF area actually has the potential to expand, as there are some offices in that area that are slated to be moved.

Not sure if it was on previous versions, but I did also notice the monorail idea was really solidified now. I think it's moved past the study phase


Well based on that comment, here’s an off the wall idea. How about AC? International carrier in B, could move to E and have F9 and SY go the other way to take the 3 gates assuming A1-A3 can take up to a 321, this clears the decks of domestic carriers in E (apart from the known about B6 of course), TP is still the wild card and could they take say E3 and still have enough room for AC’s schedule?

As I said off the wall, but never say never with Massport
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:16 pm

VS4ever wrote:
FGITD wrote:
adamh8297 wrote:

That has to be AS!


Ahh but you're thinking of putting a domestic carrier into what Massport wants to be the home of international carriers. Interesting idea though.

The most recent plans I've seen no longer take the AF/VS lounge space on the lower level. I think the AF area actually has the potential to expand, as there are some offices in that area that are slated to be moved.

Not sure if it was on previous versions, but I did also notice the monorail idea was really solidified now. I think it's moved past the study phase


Well based on that comment, here’s an off the wall idea. How about AC? International carrier in B, could move to E and have F9 and SY go the other way to take the 3 gates assuming A1-A3 can take up to a 321, this clears the decks of domestic carriers in E (apart from the known about B6 of course), TP is still the wild card and could they take say E3 and still have enough room for AC’s schedule?

As I said off the wall, but never say never with Massport


I believe you meant B1-B3 and there's no way B1 takes an A321. It's better for AC to be next to AA anyway.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:27 pm

tjerome wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
FGITD wrote:

Ahh but you're thinking of putting a domestic carrier into what Massport wants to be the home of international carriers. Interesting idea though.

The most recent plans I've seen no longer take the AF/VS lounge space on the lower level. I think the AF area actually has the potential to expand, as there are some offices in that area that are slated to be moved.

Not sure if it was on previous versions, but I did also notice the monorail idea was really solidified now. I think it's moved past the study phase


Well based on that comment, here’s an off the wall idea. How about AC? International carrier in B, could move to E and have F9 and SY go the other way to take the 3 gates assuming A1-A3 can take up to a 321, this clears the decks of domestic carriers in E (apart from the known about B6 of course), TP is still the wild card and could they take say E3 and still have enough room for AC’s schedule?

As I said off the wall, but never say never with Massport


I believe you meant B1-B3 and there's no way B1 takes an A321. It's better for AC to be next to AA anyway.


Yes I did, however apart from that I stand by what I said. I will probably be wrong and as I noted off the wall idea, but the logic fits and would create the space needed to potentially remove the other domestics from E.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:00 am

NWADC10BOS wrote:
johhn14 wrote:
Unless it’s changed in recent months Qatar was relegated to The Club in the basement and not the BA lounge.

Where does TAM go?

Not quite a OW lounge

Agree, and QR lounge usage has not changed, AFAIK - "effectively" was meant to apply to all 3 alliance lounges. QR's one world membership is in an interesting/peculiar state given their relationship to BA (frenemies?), so QR's exclusion from the BA lounge should not come as a surprise. I don't know what AT does at BOS for a lounge.


BA and QR have a relatively good relationship. Its AA that have the problem with QR.
QR are not in the BA lounge as they do not want to pay what BA are asking. QR are odd like that, there are a lot of places where they use a lesser third party lounge rather than a OW partners lounge. Of course it does not matter if you have OW status, so its more the infrequent flyer that they are penalizing
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:29 pm

tlecam wrote:
I am going to do some research on what AA is doing in December with those ORD flights.

Nov and Dec are typically slow months for the shuttle flights. I do not think it's pre-emptive to think AA retrenching on hub to hub flights. DCA, ORD etc. are solid destinations for AA and there are tons of connections that people use. Doesn't AA fly to Caribbean destinations including to some weekend trips from BOS during the vacation months?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:55 am

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... m-dec-2019
Well Cabo Verde is not cancelling BOS/all long haul, just shifting timing and airport. At least the
Schedule makes more sense now
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:33 am

adamh8297 wrote:
FGITD wrote:
For one, I happen to know of a certain carrier moving to E eventually that would love their own lounge by the narrow body gates, where AF is now. But also it just seems to be the way massport works. Be a loyal tenant, and they'll help you back.


That has to be AS!


AS is moving to Terminal B Gates 35A/36
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:08 pm

When do we find out whether JL will shift things from NRT to HND? I understand from some people that this is the most likely outcome.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:26 pm

iyerhari wrote:
tlecam wrote:
I am going to do some research on what AA is doing in December with those ORD flights.

Nov and Dec are typically slow months for the shuttle flights. I do not think it's pre-emptive to think AA retrenching on hub to hub flights. DCA, ORD etc. are solid destinations for AA and there are tons of connections that people use. Doesn't AA fly to Caribbean destinations including to some weekend trips from BOS during the vacation months?


Not to mention continued impact of 737MAX issues.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:07 pm

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Today's BOS changes from the OAG thread, as there are a few, i've split them for easy reading (always thanks to enilria for his hard work on producing all of this)
Decreases (marked by enilria as interesting) - continuing to shrink their frequencies for the most part, except for that curious increase to DCA in Jan. My only wonder is flight equipment size increase to compensate, they've done that a bit to keep their seat count up in the market.

*AA BOS-DCA NOV 13>10[13] DEC 14>10[10] JAN 14>13[12]
*AA BOS-LGA NOV 10>8[10] DEC 12>8[8] JAN 12>11[10]


Wasn't AA supposed to remove the E190's from the fleet this year? I haven't heard anything about this lately...
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:21 pm

Curious does anyone have any insight into why UA has sent so many heavies in the last week to BOS.

8/26/19 772 on the SFO-BOS-SFO route
8/27/19 787 on the LAX-BOS-LAX route
8/30/19 763 on the ORD-BOS-ORD route
9/1/19 772 on the SFO-BOS-SFO route
9/4/19 772 on the SFO-BOS-SFO route
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:38 pm

jworks158 wrote:
Curious does anyone have any insight into why UA has sent so many heavies in the last week to BOS.

8/26/19 772 on the SFO-BOS-SFO route
8/27/19 787 on the LAX-BOS-LAX route
8/30/19 763 on the ORD-BOS-ORD route
9/1/19 772 on the SFO-BOS-SFO route
9/4/19 772 on the SFO-BOS-SFO route


Are you familiar with the term "Allston Christmas"? :)
https://www.boston.com/culture/local-ne ... -and-yours
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:01 pm

airbazar wrote:
jworks158 wrote:
Curious does anyone have any insight into why UA has sent so many heavies in the last week to BOS.

8/26/19 772 on the SFO-BOS-SFO route
8/27/19 787 on the LAX-BOS-LAX route
8/30/19 763 on the ORD-BOS-ORD route
9/1/19 772 on the SFO-BOS-SFO route
9/4/19 772 on the SFO-BOS-SFO route


Are you familiar with the term "Allston Christmas"? :)
https://www.boston.com/culture/local-ne ... -and-yours


True...

Having just left college last month, it still feels like summer...
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:35 pm

I am booked on DY for BOS-MAD round-trip in late October. I saw a few posts on the financial struggles of DY to stay alive ... but haven't had a chance to find the details yet. Is it likely to stay afloat through this season ... ?!! :?:
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:45 pm

ASA wrote:
I am booked on DY for BOS-MAD round-trip in late October. I saw a few posts on the financial struggles of DY to stay alive ... but haven't had a chance to find the details yet. Is it likely to stay afloat through this season ... ?!! :?:


I think October you should be fine, however with their Bond payment due in December, anything after that, especially if the investor info I saw on the DY thread suggests they are not going to back it, could be risky. Right now, they will have cash from the summer to help them through a few months.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:48 pm

VS4ever wrote:
ASA wrote:
I am booked on DY for BOS-MAD round-trip in late October. I saw a few posts on the financial struggles of DY to stay alive ... but haven't had a chance to find the details yet. Is it likely to stay afloat through this season ... ?!! :?:


I think October you should be fine, however with their Bond payment due in December, anything after that, especially if the investor info I saw on the DY thread suggests they are not going to back it, could be risky. Right now, they will have cash from the summer to help them through a few months.


I agree. My wife is also flying DY BOS-MAD this month and had the same concern. We're not booking anything with them beyond December, which for them is a double edge sword. They need the cash but the uncertainty more than anything else is keeping customers away.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:58 pm

airbazar wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
ASA wrote:
I am booked on DY for BOS-MAD round-trip in late October. I saw a few posts on the financial struggles of DY to stay alive ... but haven't had a chance to find the details yet. Is it likely to stay afloat through this season ... ?!! :?:


I think October you should be fine, however with their Bond payment due in December, anything after that, especially if the investor info I saw on the DY thread suggests they are not going to back it, could be risky. Right now, they will have cash from the summer to help them through a few months.


I agree. My wife is also flying DY BOS-MAD this month and had the same concern. We're not booking anything with them beyond December, which for them is a double edge sword. They need the cash but the uncertainty more than anything else is keeping customers away.


Thanks, guys! Hopefully they survive longer ... they brought some much-needed TATL competition.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:12 pm

Cape Air P2012 Update Including initial routes:

"Tecnam will fly Cape Air’s first two Travellers to the airline’s base in Hyannis (HYA), Massachusetts, the week of Sept. 16, he said. Each flight will make at least five stops — in France, Scotland, Iceland, Greenland and Canada — enroute from Capua. The trip is expected to take four days and include 30 to 35 hours in the air."


Initial Service/routes:
The first services will be to destinations it serves under the U.S. government’s Essential Air Service program from Boston Logan (BOS), said Goddard. Examples of such routes include Augusta (AUG) in Maine or Rutland (RUT) in Vermont.


https://twitter.com/thepointsguy/status/1170076159054372865?s=20
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:15 am

Noticed something today while driving across the field.

Seems since southwest moved into B, the flag over B32 (the gate AA11 left from) is no longer there.

Perhaps AA took it with them, or Southwest simply didn't want it anymore. Can't really fault them for not wanting to have a minor memorial to a tragedy that didn't involve them at one of their gates, but still...seems a shame to not have it marked anymore.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:48 am

FGITD wrote:
Noticed something today while driving across the field.

Seems since southwest moved into B, the flag over B32 (the gate AA11 left from) is no longer there.

Perhaps AA took it with them, or Southwest simply didn't want it anymore. Can't really fault them for not wanting to have a minor memorial to a tragedy that didn't involve them at one of their gates, but still...seems a shame to not have it marked anymore.


good catch. i’ll give WN until this wednesday (the anniversary) to put the flag back up before i start my one-man twitter crusade for them to put it back.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:22 am

rnav2dlrey wrote:
FGITD wrote:
Noticed something today while driving across the field.

Seems since southwest moved into B, the flag over B32 (the gate AA11 left from) is no longer there.

Perhaps AA took it with them, or Southwest simply didn't want it anymore. Can't really fault them for not wanting to have a minor memorial to a tragedy that didn't involve them at one of their gates, but still...seems a shame to not have it marked anymore.


good catch. i’ll give WN until this wednesday (the anniversary) to put the flag back up before i start my one-man twitter crusade for them to put it back.


Some things should transcend different airline using a gate, this one is definitely one of those things. WN should see right and put the flag back up, 9/11 or not, “never forget” has been a motto about that fateful day for a reason.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:45 pm

Fun fact. Mrs VS currently flying PHL-BOS on B6 1776
Loving it :)
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