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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:07 pm
by VS4ever
dtremit wrote:
airbazar wrote:
It should be more than in interesting idea. Our entire public transportation infrastructure needs a complete overhaul but no one wants to pay for it and prefer to just complain about it. Boston needs a "Circle Line" desperately: Brookline-Back Bay-South Boston-Seaport-Airport-Chelsea-Malden-Somerville-Cambridge-Watertown-Alston-Brookline.


That was supposed to be the Urban Ring, sort of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_Ring_Project_(MBTA)


Sadly nobody wants to pay for it, because they were bitten by the “Big Dig”
Doesn’t stop them dreaming big, the latest plan to clean up the commuter rail has plans from 1.7bn to 28.9bn

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:58 pm
by RobertS975
Arrived at Terminal A last night around 830 PM. I can already tell you about one unintended consequence of the ride share move to Central Parking... The extra crunch on the existing elevators, both in Terminal A up to the bridge to the parking and the elevators in the parking area. Lots of extra pedestrian traffic , many with luggage carts.

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:02 pm
by airbazar
VS4ever wrote:
dtremit wrote:
airbazar wrote:
It should be more than in interesting idea. Our entire public transportation infrastructure needs a complete overhaul but no one wants to pay for it and prefer to just complain about it. Boston needs a "Circle Line" desperately: Brookline-Back Bay-South Boston-Seaport-Airport-Chelsea-Malden-Somerville-Cambridge-Watertown-Alston-Brookline.


That was supposed to be the Urban Ring, sort of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_Ring_Project_(MBTA)


Sadly nobody wants to pay for it, because they were bitten by the “Big Dig”
Doesn’t stop them dreaming big, the latest plan to clean up the commuter rail has plans from 1.7bn to 28.9bn


The Big Dig was worth every penny and then some. Imagine what traffic would be today without the tunnel.
Seattle is spending $54bm so far on expanding and improving their transportation network:
https://www.constructiondive.com/news/s ... et/549892/
London's Crossrail is at £17.6bn
https://www.railjournal.com/passenger/c ... cost-more/
Major public transit infrastructure projects in large cities cost a lot of money. And the longer we wait the more it costs. That's just how it is.

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:31 pm
by VS4ever
airbazar wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
dtremit wrote:

That was supposed to be the Urban Ring, sort of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_Ring_Project_(MBTA)


Sadly nobody wants to pay for it, because they were bitten by the “Big Dig”
Doesn’t stop them dreaming big, the latest plan to clean up the commuter rail has plans from 1.7bn to 28.9bn


The Big Dig was worth every penny and then some. Imagine what traffic would be today without the tunnel.
Seattle is spending $54bm so far on expanding and improving their transportation network:
https://www.constructiondive.com/news/s ... et/549892/
London's Crossrail is at £17.6bn
https://www.railjournal.com/passenger/c ... cost-more/
Major public transit infrastructure projects in large cities cost a lot of money. And the longer we wait the more it costs. That's just how it is.


I'm not debating it was worth every penny, given what it could have been if the Big Dig didn't happen, it clearly was, but the wider public feels it's a huge burden and less value for the money, and now we come back to the well for more. We need to spend the money, but the general perception is that there is so much waste and overcharging that the MBTA and others need to get their house way in order before asking for the kind of sums we are talking about here.

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:02 pm
by FGITD
airbazar wrote:

I didn't take his comment as a rumor. More like a prediction since the A350 (and 787) will become the predominant long haul aircraft just about everywhere.



Why can't it be both?

There are definitely more a350s coming. Of that, I am certain.

But also yes, in the grand scheme of the future, there will also definitely be more a350/787s. It's the way long haul flying is headed.

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:56 pm
by ASA
airbazar wrote:

I didn't take his comment as a rumor. More like a prediction since the A350 (and 787) will become the predominant long haul aircraft just about everywhere.


Absolutely ... loving the onslaught of the 787s so far ... please bring some A350s too! :P

Just flew BOS-MAD-BOS on DY ... first time on the 787s ... FINALLY!!! Little cramped on the seat legroom ... but that's DY ... and no food of course (unless you ordered). But the (few) video options, the USB and Laptop power connections, and the free internet (fast enough for gmail and my work related browsing) was very useful!!!

Just grab a sandwich and a water bottle ... TATL isn't that long ... sleeping is better anyway (I chose the very last row just for that)! The flight was about 70-75% full on BOS-MAD ... but almost packed on the way back. All of this for $280 roundtrip ... come on, I'm in for more!!! :bigthumbsup:

Hope DY survives! :angel:

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:57 pm
by Dieuwer
ASA wrote:
airbazar wrote:

I didn't take his comment as a rumor. More like a prediction since the A350 (and 787) will become the predominant long haul aircraft just about everywhere.


Absolutely ... loving the onslaught of the 787s so far ... please bring some A350s too! :P

Just flew BOS-MAD-BOS on DY ... first time on the 787s ... FINALLY!!! Little cramped on the seat legroom ... but that's DY ... and no food of course (unless you ordered). But the (few) video options, the USB and Laptop power connections, and the free internet (fast enough for gmail and my work related browsing) was very useful!!!

Just grab a sandwich and a water bottle ... TATL isn't that long ... sleeping is better anyway (I chose the very last row just for that)! The flight was about 70-75% full on BOS-MAD ... but almost packed on the way back. All of this for $280 roundtrip ... come on, I'm in for more!!! :bigthumbsup:

Hope DY survives! :angel:


I thought DY pulled the plug on BOS-MAD?

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:25 pm
by dtremit
VS4ever wrote:
I'm not debating it was worth every penny, given what it could have been if the Big Dig didn't happen, it clearly was, but the wider public feels it's a huge burden and less value for the money, and now we come back to the well for more. We need to spend the money, but the general perception is that there is so much waste and overcharging that the MBTA and others need to get their house way in order before asking for the kind of sums we are talking about here.


Agreed. The Big Dig was money well spent, in the end -- but was a debacle of planning. I feel like in the end it has poisoned the well for ambitious urban infrastructure projects in Boston, if not the entire US.

Obviously the MBTA has room to improve, but there, too -- so much of what they're struggling with now either goes back to a lack of investment during the Big Dig years, or the idiotic sales tax earmark and debt transfer scheme they pushed through in 2000. I wonder lately if the only solution will be to dissolve and replace the MBTA with a successor organization that can start with a clean balance sheet.

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:30 pm
by B752OS
Big Dig was worth it in the end. But it was also a seemingly bottomless pit where the trade unions, contractors and politically connected made out like bandits.

Despite its shortcomings and issues, the Boston area still has better mass transit than anywhere in the US no named, NY, DC and Chicago. Hopefully at least some of the commuter rail proposals will happen. People need to realize that if we improve and expand mass transit, traffic will be better. Problem is a number of people are distrustful (deservedly so in some cases) of the MBTA and MassDOT in terms of where various tax revenue goes and what its spent on.

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:38 pm
by ChrisNH38
As DL gets more A350s, the possibility exists that it may show up in Boston down the road. We know it won't be next year. The caveat is whether it blocks adjacent gates at A, something that DL wants to avoid.

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:54 pm
by airbazar
B752OS wrote:
Big Dig was worth it in the end. But it was also a seemingly bottomless pit where the trade unions, contractors and politically connected made out like bandits.

Lets not forget the political bickering has more to do with that than anything else. What grand infrastructure project is not riddled with stuff like that? Most people look at the bidding cost and assume that's going to be the final cost and when all is said and done it's always significantly more because companies under-bid in order to win the contract. That's just how it works. The flip side is it opens the door to all kinds attacks. Politicians on all sides know full well that is how it works but they're not going to pass up an opportunity to use it to their political advantage. Which is not to say that the Big Dig didn't have some serious corruption involved but at 25bn, today it feels like a bargain when I look around at projects in other cities.

B752OS wrote:
Despite its shortcomings and issues, the Boston area still has better mass transit than anywhere in the US no named, NY, DC and Chicago.

Once upon a time that was true. I ould throw Seattle as better than us and they're actually building more. Even LA for the size that it is, it has built up a pretty impressive public transit network. I suspect there are others that may be better. Denver? SanFran? We tend to just look at the map of our transit system rather than it's usability. The reality is fewer and fewer people are riding public transit in Boston because it's so unreliable, uncomfortable, and therefore unusable.
https://www.bostonherald.com/2018/11/27 ... ridership/

ChrisNH38 wrote:
As DL gets more A350s, the possibility exists that it may show up in Boston down the road. We know it won't be next year. The caveat is whether it blocks adjacent gates at A, something that DL wants to avoid.

That would be nice but they really only need the A350 if they want to fly to Asia from Boston. For everything else the A330/767 will do.

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:55 pm
by TheChickenman
Dieuwer wrote:
ASA wrote:
airbazar wrote:

I didn't take his comment as a rumor. More like a prediction since the A350 (and 787) will become the predominant long haul aircraft just about everywhere.


Absolutely ... loving the onslaught of the 787s so far ... please bring some A350s too! :P

Just flew BOS-MAD-BOS on DY ... first time on the 787s ... FINALLY!!! Little cramped on the seat legroom ... but that's DY ... and no food of course (unless you ordered). But the (few) video options, the USB and Laptop power connections, and the free internet (fast enough for gmail and my work related browsing) was very useful!!!

Just grab a sandwich and a water bottle ... TATL isn't that long ... sleeping is better anyway (I chose the very last row just for that)! The flight was about 70-75% full on BOS-MAD ... but almost packed on the way back. All of this for $280 roundtrip ... come on, I'm in for more!!! :bigthumbsup:

Hope DY survives! :angel:


I thought DY pulled the plug on BOS-MAD?


It hasn't been loaded for next year, but nothing's happened with the remaining flights for this year.

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:26 pm
by VS4ever
TheChickenman wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
ASA wrote:

Absolutely ... loving the onslaught of the 787s so far ... please bring some A350s too! :P

Just flew BOS-MAD-BOS on DY ... first time on the 787s ... FINALLY!!! Little cramped on the seat legroom ... but that's DY ... and no food of course (unless you ordered). But the (few) video options, the USB and Laptop power connections, and the free internet (fast enough for gmail and my work related browsing) was very useful!!!

Just grab a sandwich and a water bottle ... TATL isn't that long ... sleeping is better anyway (I chose the very last row just for that)! The flight was about 70-75% full on BOS-MAD ... but almost packed on the way back. All of this for $280 roundtrip ... come on, I'm in for more!!! :bigthumbsup:

Hope DY survives! :angel:


I thought DY pulled the plug on BOS-MAD?


It hasn't been loaded for next year, but nothing's happened with the remaining flights for this year.


BOS-MAD is dead as far as i understand,, DY have drawn down their MAD base significantly and BOS was one of the routes chopped out, FCO, CDG and LGW survive for 2020. CDG and FCO are seasonal and start again March 2020.

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:09 pm
by FGITD
Anyone else happen to catch the an-12 in North cargo this morning?

Gotta say, I've never heard an airplane that sounded anything like that. A bit menacing, honestly

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:27 pm
by VS4ever
FGITD wrote:
Anyone else happen to catch the an-12 in North cargo this morning?

Gotta say, I've never heard an airplane that sounded anything like that. A bit menacing, honestly


Dammit, missed it, dropped Mrs VS off this morning, but it was too dark over there to see anything much beyond the JAL RON.

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:52 pm
by adamh8297
BOS is number three for number of business passengers going non stop for BA. Also it is the highest nonstop route yield wise.
https://www.anna.aero/2019/11/01/reveal ... ess-class/

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:39 pm
by clrd4t8koff
adamh8297 wrote:
BOS is number three for number of business passengers going non stop for BA. Also it is the highest nonstop route yield wise.
https://www.anna.aero/2019/11/01/reveal ... ess-class/


I’m guessing this is why BA/AA are adding additional capacity with AA back to BOS-LHR.

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:04 pm
by Kno
ChrisNH38 wrote:
As DL gets more A350s, the possibility exists that it may show up in Boston down the road. We know it won't be next year. The caveat is whether it blocks adjacent gates at A, something that DL wants to avoid.


It'd block another gate, but so do the a330s and that doesn't stop them from coming in. With the right scheduling it would be fine, especially since with A19 they now have another 767 gate that doesn't block anything else.

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:34 pm
by RL757PVD
clrd4t8koff wrote:
adamh8297 wrote:
BOS is number three for number of business passengers going non stop for BA. Also it is the highest nonstop route yield wise.
https://www.anna.aero/2019/11/01/reveal ... ess-class/


I’m guessing this is why BA/AA are adding additional capacity with AA back to BOS-LHR.


My interpretation is that the BA O&D percent is way up due to the number of other options that have cut into the connecting traffic. Throw in competitive pricing thanks to DY and there you have it.

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:56 pm
by adamh8297
RL757PVD wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
adamh8297 wrote:
BOS is number three for number of business passengers going non stop for BA. Also it is the highest nonstop route yield wise.
https://www.anna.aero/2019/11/01/reveal ... ess-class/


I’m guessing this is why BA/AA are adding additional capacity with AA back to BOS-LHR.


My interpretation is that the BA O&D percent is way up due to the number of other options that have cut into the connecting traffic. Throw in competitive pricing thanks to DY and there you have it.


Were you referring to this line or another data set: BA is the most dominant airline between London, as a whole, and Boston, with a 50% share of capacity, rising to 59% at Heathrow.

I think this is just overall capacity - The article really focused on only point to point business class. If you take the 18K number its only 25 PDEW for BOS-LHR local traffic which is less than 50% of the J-capacity of one 777 flight from BOS. Business travellers are connecting to other places (i.e. GVA was a strong yielding feeding point BA per that French-Swiss airport study).

I would love to know walk-up Y traffic on this route. I'm sure IAG loves >$2000 walk-up roundtrip purchases in Y. A short notice 11/4-11/10 trip is getting $2657 right now.

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 3:11 pm
by RobertS975
Any reports on how the new Uber/Lyft system is going?

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:09 pm
by ChrisNH38
Did Sichuan Airlines give up on Boston after successfully going through the application process?

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:30 pm
by clrd4t8koff
Being reported in another thread -

“JAL is planning to add HND routes to existing NRT routes to ORD, LAX, and BOS, while they shift NRT-DFW/HNL to HND.”

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1429637&start=150

So is that to mean JL will be doing both NRT & HND from BOS?

Here’s the exact article if anyone knows Japanese -

https://flyteam.jp/news/article/117361

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:42 pm
by adamh8297
clrd4t8koff wrote:
Being reported in another thread -

“JAL is planning to add HND routes to existing NRT routes to ORD, LAX, and BOS, while they shift NRT-DFW/HNL to HND.”

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1429637&start=150

So is that to mean JL will be doing both NRT & HND from BOS?

Here’s the exact article if anyone knows Japanese -

https://flyteam.jp/news/article/117361


I got this translation using chrome:

ANA will move the Washington, DC, Houston, Seattle, and San Jose routes from Narita, and the existing Los Angeles and Chicago routes to and from Haneda will increase. In addition to Narita, JAL will operate the Chicago, Los Angeles, and Boston routes in Haneda, and the routes that move from Narita are likely to be Honolulu and Dallas. In addition, it seems to increase the number of flights to New York, Los Angeles, or Chicago.

This appears to be both per the translation but lets wait and see. I just can't see having a daily to both unless they retime the NRT flight for max connections.

We could be seeing a NRT-BOS-HND type of pattern at Logan if true.

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:51 pm
by Dieuwer
Or maybe four weekly BOS-HND vv and three weekly BOS-NRT vv.

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:18 pm
by clrd4t8koff
Well looks like we have our answer for HND 2020 routes:

[email protected]

JFK 2 daily(proposed)
SFO 1 daily
HNL 1 daily
DFW 1 daily
ORD 1 daily(proposed)
LAX 1 daily(proposed)
BOS 1 daily(proposed)

[email protected]

LAX 1 daily
SFO 1 daily(announced)
JFK 1 daily
ORD 1 daily
SEA 1 daily
SAN 1 daily
BOS 1 daily

*This is also being reported in the same thread I linked above.

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:58 pm
by adamh8297
clrd4t8koff wrote:
Well looks like we have our answer for HND 2020 routes:

[email protected]

JFK 2 daily(proposed)
SFO 1 daily
HNL 1 daily
DFW 1 daily
ORD 1 daily(proposed)
LAX 1 daily(proposed)
BOS 1 daily(proposed)

[email protected]

LAX 1 daily
SFO 1 daily(announced)
JFK 1 daily
ORD 1 daily
SEA 1 daily
SAN 1 daily
BOS 1 daily

*This is also being reported in the same thread I linked above.


This could be launched as soon as late March. I wonder if both routes will have same plane. I think it will due to logistics mentioned in my post above.

BOS-HND = Higher Yielding Local Traffic and Japan connections
BOS-NRT = Local Traffic and Asia Connections

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:00 pm
by VS4ever
Ive been saying for a while that JL needed to make a decision if they wanted to expand. One option would have been a move to a 777 on just NRT, but this adds a different dimension with a potentially 2nd low density 789 going to HND. I think it’s needed as right now there evidence of being at capacity just on NRT.
Be interesting to see if this pans out

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:29 pm
by ChrisNH38
I say it’ll be a 788 to HND, upgrading to a 789 if the route proves itself. NRT still needs the 789 even with this development, IMO.

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:32 pm
by Dieuwer
You think the NRT flight from BOS will be re-timed?

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:51 pm
by clrd4t8koff
I could be way off base in this train of thought, but I’m thinking HND will go 77W and they may drop NRT to a 788. With KE upgauging next spring to the 77W, this will leave JL as the only major Asian carrier not offering F to BOS. (I’m excluding HU as I don’t consider them a major network carrier).

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:01 pm
by ChrisNH38
JAL has almost eight years in Boston, and they’re armed with enough data to know to a near certainty what kind of plane the HND route needs.

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:27 pm
by adamh8297
I looked at what JL currently serves at JFK and the NRT flight has the same pattern as BOS with an overnight except it departs JFK before noon. The current HND-JFK flight leaves mid-morning and arrives mid-morning and gets turned around by 13:30 back onto HND. That easily gives enough time for domestic Japan connections.


New York (JFK) to Tokyo (HND) — Sat, Apr 4
JAL 5
Dep: 1:10 pm
Arr: 4:25 pm

Tokyo (HND) to New York (JFK)
JAL 6
Dep: 10:40 am
Arr: 10:35 am

Also are there better train connections in HND to all of Japan (think Schiphol/AMS and direct to Brussels)?

I think both routes are going to be 789 with Sky Suite.

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:23 pm
by TheChickenman
adamh8297 wrote:
Also are there better train connections in HND to all of Japan (think Schiphol/AMS and direct to Brussels)?.


There's no station for the Shinkansen there, but it is connected to the rest of the Japan rail system via monorail and one other train line. So it is more accessible to the rest of Japan via rail than NRT, but only because it's closer to central Tokyo.

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:02 am
by ChrisNH38
Now that we’ll have two daily flights, What keeps JAL from adopting the Hainan model at Boston?

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:24 am
by airbazar
Shocking that JL will go 2x daily and still no ANA.

FGITD wrote:
Anyone else happen to catch the an-12 in North cargo this morning?
Gotta say, I've never heard an airplane that sounded anything like that. A bit menacing, honestly

Saw it Thursday night when I dropped off my wife.

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:57 pm
by ASA
ChrisNH38 wrote:
Now that we’ll have two daily flights, What keeps JAL from adopting the Hainan model at Boston?


What's the Hainan model at Boston? :)

So, BOS bags another daily flight to Asia ... this is a good one ... HND!
Who thought 8 years ago JAL will have double dailies to Boston? lol :biggrin:

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:20 pm
by ChrisNH38
ASA wrote:
ChrisNH38 wrote:
Now that we’ll have two daily flights, What keeps JAL from adopting the Hainan model at Boston?


What's the Hainan model at Boston? :)


Both flights come in around the same time each day, and they leave the same way. The ground staff at Logan can share handling duties because of that. That’s the ‘model’ I was referring to.

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:43 pm
by VS4ever
ChrisNH38 wrote:
ASA wrote:
ChrisNH38 wrote:
Now that we’ll have two daily flights, What keeps JAL from adopting the Hainan model at Boston?


What's the Hainan model at Boston? :)


Both flights come in around the same time each day, and they leave the same way. The ground staff at Logan can share handling duties because of that. That’s the ‘model’ I was referring to.


Will depend on the HND slot timings, to work the way you describe, HND will need to arrive around an hour before NRT and leave around an hour earlier because DL is filling up the timing when NRT leaves

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:56 pm
by adamh8297
VS4ever wrote:
ChrisNH38 wrote:
ASA wrote:

What's the Hainan model at Boston? :)


Both flights come in around the same time each day, and they leave the same way. The ground staff at Logan can share handling duties because of that. That’s the ‘model’ I was referring to.


Will depend on the HND slot timings, to work the way you describe, HND will need to arrive around an hour before NRT and leave around an hour earlier because DL is filling up the timing when NRT leaves



Looks like we will find out Monday about the schedule. Also - do they have more check-in lanes open for HU due to having the two flights leave at the same time? Also are they dedicated for each flight which is the norm in non-US airports. I'm sure a Swissport or the like handles everything so its seems possible.

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:54 pm
by ChrisNH38
‘Monday’ for Japan is actually tonight for us. So we could know before the Patriots game ends.

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:29 pm
by jworks158
FGITD wrote:
Anyone else happen to catch the an-12 in North cargo this morning?

Gotta say, I've never heard an airplane that sounded anything like that. A bit menacing, honestly


Yup! Here you go!
Via twitter: https://twitter.com/theOrangetechie/status/1190359859558068225?s=20
Via instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theorangetechie/

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:40 pm
by clrd4t8koff
jworks158 wrote:
FGITD wrote:
Anyone else happen to catch the an-12 in North cargo this morning?

Gotta say, I've never heard an airplane that sounded anything like that. A bit menacing, honestly


Yup! Here you go!
Via twitter: https://twitter.com/theOrangetechie/status/1190359859558068225?s=20
Via instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theorangetechie/


What happened to the DL A330 who’s new nose gear was being flown in. Rough landing?

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:43 am
by klm617
Call me skeptical but I can't see JAL operating a daily flight from Boston to both NRT and HND.

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:17 am
by VS4ever
klm617 wrote:
Call me skeptical but I can't see JAL operating a daily flight from Boston to both NRT and HND.

I’ll bite on this, given we’ve already explained that the 789’s JL use are low density and thus the seat risk is minimized. NRT flight does well both for business and for the students at the various Boston colleges. Pax counts have been increasing over time which left JAL with some decisions.

1. It’s all good, don’t change a thing
2. Move up to a 777
3. Use the new HND slot allocation to provide an extra low density service.

With the Olympics next year, if there was a year to consider starting it, that would be it. 2021 after everything is over might be a different story, but they can also keep ANA out at the same time.

So yes, given the information I have seen thus far albeit not yet confirmed, I will call you skeptical

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:18 am
by ChrisNH38
[quote="klm617"]Call me skeptical but I can't see JAL operating a daily flight from Boston to both NRT and HND.[/quote

We might know as early as tomorrow.

But...the chances of BOS getting dual daily JAL flights DWARF Detroit’s chances of getting EK or QR.

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:03 pm
by jworks158
clrd4t8koff wrote:
jworks158 wrote:
FGITD wrote:
Anyone else happen to catch the an-12 in North cargo this morning?

Gotta say, I've never heard an airplane that sounded anything like that. A bit menacing, honestly


Yup! Here you go!
Via twitter: https://twitter.com/theOrangetechie/status/1190359859558068225?s=20
Via instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theorangetechie/


What happened to the DL A330 who’s new nose gear was being flown in. Rough landing?


Unknown I got that from an insider.

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:11 pm
by pitbosflyer
Good walk thru on Channel 5 about the rideshare pickup changes including them timing how long it takes to get there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk_g1iyRW-M

Also an interesting blog post I saw on twitter about the extremely long wait time for cabs during night time arrivals in BOS http://amateurplanner.blogspot.com/2019 ... itter.html

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:57 pm
by clrd4t8koff
adamh8297 wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
ChrisNH38 wrote:

Both flights come in around the same time each day, and they leave the same way. The ground staff at Logan can share handling duties because of that. That’s the ‘model’ I was referring to.


Will depend on the HND slot timings, to work the way you describe, HND will need to arrive around an hour before NRT and leave around an hour earlier because DL is filling up the timing when NRT leaves



Looks like we will find out Monday about the schedule. Also - do they have more check-in lanes open for HU due to having the two flights leave at the same time? Also are they dedicated for each flight which is the norm in non-US airports. I'm sure a Swissport or the like handles everything so its seems possible.


Anyone seen anything out of Japan today about the schedules? I looked in the other thread and nada.

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:10 pm
by mikegigs
clrd4t8koff wrote:
adamh8297 wrote:
VS4ever wrote:

Will depend on the HND slot timings, to work the way you describe, HND will need to arrive around an hour before NRT and leave around an hour earlier because DL is filling up the timing when NRT leaves



Looks like we will find out Monday about the schedule. Also - do they have more check-in lanes open for HU due to having the two flights leave at the same time? Also are they dedicated for each flight which is the norm in non-US airports. I'm sure a Swissport or the like handles everything so its seems possible.


Anyone seen anything out of Japan today about the schedules? I looked in the other thread and nada.


Only found this from a few hours ago: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 20-461965/

Looks like they're only expanding to SFO in the US. Adding a flight to NRT in addition to HND. Nothing about BOS tho....