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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:07 am

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Very nice data! Would you please tell me where you found all the route-specific data?

I tried to look on DOT's website, but couldn't find the route data like this. All I found was something like this https://www.transtats.bts.gov/Oneway.as ... lay_Flag=0

Thanks in advance!


https://www.transtats.bts.gov/Tables.as ... 20Carriers

This will link you to the tables for all carriers, there is also a US only one. Domestic data is 3 months behind, International 6 months (hence why my numbers are May), there's a lot of numbers to wade through, and the route info is all there, however you have to summarize it, which i do by formulas, then use that to post the data accordingly. Fair warning, the data is only as accurate as the information provided by the airlines, technically it's supposed to be accurate under pain of death, but there are plenty of filing errors in there, trust me. You also have to watch for diverts which will throw some of the route data off, but this should get you started and you can find the rest from there.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:17 am

VS4ever wrote:
zuoyi wrote:

Very nice data! Would you please tell me where you found all the route-specific data?

I tried to look on DOT's website, but couldn't find the route data like this. All I found was something like this https://www.transtats.bts.gov/Oneway.as ... lay_Flag=0

Thanks in advance!


https://www.transtats.bts.gov/Tables.as ... 20Carriers

This will link you to the tables for all carriers, there is also a US only one. Domestic data is 3 months behind, International 6 months (hence why my numbers are May), there's a lot of numbers to wade through, and the route info is all there, however you have to summarize it, which i do by formulas, then use that to post the data accordingly. Fair warning, the data is only as accurate as the information provided by the airlines, technically it's supposed to be accurate under pain of death, but there are plenty of filing errors in there, trust me. You also have to watch for diverts which will throw some of the route data off, but this should get you started and you can find the rest from there.



Thanks for your prompt reply! I was able to find that link, too. But I didn't know that you did some calculations. Thanks again!
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:55 pm

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Unless I’m mistaken, wasn’t there a post earlier in the thread that alluded to CX leaving Boston. I will look back to see.


I thought I remember discussion upthread that while CX was reducing flights to some other US destinations, they weren't changing BOS.

I know the numbers are pre-portests, but according to the numbers (thanks VS4ever!), at over 93%, the LF to BOS was higher than any other US destination. So if they did indeed axe BOS, I'd be shocked (though maybe I'm just telling myself that it can't happen, cuz I'd be very unhappy if it did!).
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:57 pm

VS4, thanks so much for the analysis! Fascinating. I was surprised to see DL loads up to London.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:14 pm

I think the JAL flight to SAN is served by a 788; at least that was what was parked next to ours at NRT last month.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:20 pm

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JAL - I have just included the NRT routes, if you need HND, NGO or KIX, let me know., relatively easy comparison as most are single daily, 86% for BOS matched ORD and beat out LAX, given this profile, it's unlikely JL would go more than daily, but could add capacity, by shifting things around, of course there is the rumored HND flight, but has not been confirmed yet.

JL 1120 245075 197433 80.6%
BOS-NRT 62 12090 10457 86.5%
DFW-NRT 62 12090 10440 86.4%
GUM-NRT 65 12935 11407 88.2%
HNL-NRT 249 52496 40453 77.1%
JFK-NRT 62 15128 11868 78.5%
KOA-NRT 62 12338 7643 61.9%
LAX-NRT 62 15128 12498 82.6%
ORD-NRT 62 15112 13068 86.5%
SAN-NRT 62 11532 10041 87.1%
SEA-NRT 62 11532 9419 81.7%


I think SEA and SAN get 788s whereas BOS and DFW get 789s. SEA seems to be a real laggard, probably because there are many other options. DFW looks real good; on par with BOS PLUS they have AA flights. I'm also hoping for the HND flight; I don't know whose call that is...JAL, or the two governments.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:43 pm

Part 6:

Lufthansa[/b - I have split this up between FRA and MUC to show the different markets, For Frankfurt BOS, of the more than daily is sitting pretty well at 88.1% beating out IAD and LAX, winner here is EWR with 91%, AUS looks rough at 65%, followed by SAN and PHL..

[b]Frankfurt


LH 2011 699435 594801 85.0%
ATL-FRA 62 15810 13085 82.8%
AUS-FRA 41 10455 6866 65.7%
BOS-FRA 100 32381 28527 88.1%
DEN-FRA 62 23002 19933 86.7%
DFW-FRA 60 15300 13483 88.1%
DTW-FRA 62 17422 14268 81.9%
EWR-FRA 60 21840 19869 91.0%
IAD-FRA 121 37286 30623 82.1%
IAH-FRA 65 32323 27169 84.1%
JFK-FRA 124 54126 47932 88.6%
LAX-FRA 117 42602 37470 88.0%
MCO-FRA 61 22741 20005 88.0%
MIA-FRA 60 30540 25589 83.8%
ORD-FRA 124 45136 39328 87.1%
PHL-FRA 61 22631 17968 79.4%
SAN-FRA 44 12276 9349 76.2%
SEA-FRA 62 23002 19310 83.9%
SFO-FRA 62 31558 27278 86.4%
TPA-FRA 52 15600 13239 84.9%

Munich - BOS at the higher end of the totals, beating out DEN , IAD, CLT and SFO, it will be interesting next year to see the impact of the 380 on the route for sure.

BOS-MUC 62 18414 15803 85.8%
CLT-MUC 60 17512 14434 82.4%
DEN-MUC 60 17428 14929 85.7%
EWR-MUC 62 18222 16728 91.8%
IAD-MUC 63 18239 14907 81.7%
JFK-MUC 62 18414 16932 92.0%
LAX-MUC 62 31558 26051 82.5%
ORD-MUC 114 33610 27527 81.9%
SFO-MUC 62 18406 14782 80.3%


Swiss - decent loads for ZRH, albeit with the smallest counts in the network, I removed the JFK-GVA flight, but otherwise a pretty decent month for LX

LX 598 157982 136503 86.4%
BOS-ZRH 62 13930 12222 87.7%
EWR-ZRH 62 14598 13119 89.9%
JFK-ZRH 124 29238 26539 90.8%
LAX-ZRH 62 21080 18836 89.4%
MIA-ZRH 92 21674 18386 84.8%
ORD-ZRH 72 21750 18844 86.6%
SFO-ZRH 62 21080 18336 87.0%


EL AL - 80% for TLV is ok, MIA is the closest comparative and that's 5% higher , SFO looks a bit rough...

LY 296 91837 74323 80.9%
BOS-TLV 24 6670 5326 79.9%
EWR-TLV 70 20604 17309 84.0%
JFK-TLV 118 40971 33761 82.4%
LAX-TLV 40 11234 8732 77.7%
MIA-TLV 27 7583 6485 85.5%
SFO-TLV 17 4775 2710 56.8%

Part 7: QR, SK and TK
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:43 pm

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Dab747 wrote:
Unless I’m mistaken, wasn’t there a post earlier in the thread that alluded to CX leaving Boston. I will look back to see.


I thought I remember discussion upthread that while CX was reducing flights to some other US destinations, they weren't changing BOS.

I know the numbers are pre-portests, but according to the numbers (thanks VS4ever!), at over 93%, the LF to BOS was higher than any other US destination. So if they did indeed axe BOS, I'd be shocked (though maybe I'm just telling myself that it can't happen, cuz I'd be very unhappy if it did!).


There was a poster who came along and claimed that with zero source to back it up. We've seen the numbers and BOS has consistently posted 90%+ LF's. BOS has to be a solid money maker for CX.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:15 pm

El Al SFO-TLV at 57% is a disaster. Cannot handle UA competition on this route?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:42 pm

VS4ever wrote:
Part 6:
Swiss - decent loads for ZRH, albeit with the smallest counts in the network, I removed the JFK-GVA flight, but otherwise a pretty decent month for LX

LX 598 157982 136503 86.4%
BOS-ZRH 62 13930 12222 87.7%
EWR-ZRH 62 14598 13119 89.9%
JFK-ZRH 124 29238 26539 90.8%
LAX-ZRH 62 21080 18836 89.4%
MIA-ZRH 92 21674 18386 84.8%
ORD-ZRH 72 21750 18844 86.6%
SFO-ZRH 62 21080 18336 87.0%


Thanks for crunching the numbers and posting these interesting metrics.

About LX, shouldn't the BOS flights be > 62, given that, they fly double daily in summer?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:09 pm

Part 7:

Qatar - This is the raw data, but QR are historically very bad at reporting their seat counts and aircraft used, case in point. ORD-DOH having the same seat count for 60 flights as the others for 62 (BOS and DFW), so take these with a bit of pinch of salt, the passenger counts are usually somewhat accurate, the seat counts not so much, BOS actually is about right as it's 354 which is their 773

QR 662 211472 182197 86.2%
ATL-DOH 62 17546 16533 94.2%
BOS-DOH 62 21948 18747 85.4%
DFW-DOH 62 21948 17951 81.8%
IAD-DOH 62 21948 18266 83.2%
IAH-DOH 62 17192 14928 86.8%
JFK-DOH 124 40284 36129 89.7%
LAX-DOH 62 17528 13998 79.9%
MIA-DOH 44 13584 10682 78.6%
ORD-DOH 60 21948 19498 88.8%
PHL-DOH 62 17546 15465 88.1%

SAS - I've removed ARN and OSL from this for a direct comparison, as you can see BOS is way behind and the 321LR can't come soon enough for the route, it's certainly the right size, 157 seats, the counts here are 174, so they will lose passengers individually, but the costs will be very much reduced to help with the situation. 68% is just bad.

SK 537 138514 108454 78.3%
BOS-CPH 54 13797 9399 68.1%
EWR-CPH 105 26543 21515 81.1%
IAD-CPH 55 14404 12022 83.5%
ORD-CPH 55 14244 12429 87.3%
SFO-CPH 53 13119 10867 82.8%

Turkish - BOS ends up 3rd in the tree with 91%, behind IAD and ORD, MIA and ATL are the laggers on this list, amazing that 16,000 people a month fly to IST from BOS... the heady days of 2012 when we had very little are long gone..

TK 666 213834 188098 88.0%
ATL-IST 44 12716 10154 79.9%
BOS-IST 62 17918 16380 91.4%
IAD-IST 62 17918 16842 94.0%
IAH-IST 62 21638 18985 87.7%
JFK-IST 188 57332 50590 88.2%
LAX-IST 62 21638 18480 85.4%
MIA-IST 62 21398 17425 81.4%
ORD-IST 62 21638 20090 92.8%
SFO-IST 62 21638 19152 88.5%

Final Part: TP and VS
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:19 pm

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El Al SFO-TLV at 57% is a disaster. Cannot handle UA competition on this route?


UA runs it year round, daily with a 772/77W. LY is running it year round, 3 x weekly with a 789. Maybe there's a bit too much capacity in the market?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:22 pm

Part 8 - Final Part

TAP - I have removed EWR-OPO from the list, however BOS was top of the charts for May, it's a straight fight between all 4 routes too. BOS also was 2nd in the absolute pax count, even with DL adding 2,300 themselves. I wonder how many would have flown TP if the DL flight had not been in existence, 91% is pretty full.

TP 264 73717 65480 88.8%
BOS-LIS 62 17140 15642 91.3%
EWR-LIS 62 17066 15362 90.0%
JFK-LIS 62 17010 15008 88.2%
MIA-LIS 62 18212 15983 87.8%


Virgin Atlantic - I won't spend much time on MAN, it's clear that VS was to survive the summer season for DL to take it over with a smaller plane in 2020, I think that will be a much better fit, if Virgin Connect gets going correctly and gives the right feed, maybe the numbers will look much better, however we won't know for quite some time sadly. Over to LHR, unfortunately there is no way to tell how well the morning flight is doing from the numbers, what I will say, is the numbers have roughly doubled over last year, given that the last 3 years have been in the 12,000 pax range, I would say the split is slightly in favor of the evening flight, but probably not by much.

VS 1512 473253 381812 80.7%
ATL-LHR 62 18128 14433 79.6%
BOS-LHR 125 33000 24461 74.1%
EWR-LHR 61 16104 13347 82.9%
IAD-LHR 62 16368 12944 79.1%
JFK-LHR 372 103750 82378 79.4%
LAS-LHR 62 15996 14067 87.9%
LAX-LHR 124 31992 27191 85.0%
MIA-LHR 61 16104 12923 80.2%
SEA-LHR 62 15996 13272 83.0%
SFO-LHR 114 29412 23802 80.9%

ATL-MAN 62 27874 19735 70.8%
BOS-MAN 6 1722 814 47.3%
JFK-MAN 60 27300 20673 75.7%
LAS-MAN 34 9758 7661 78.5%
LAX-MAN 6 1722 1379 80.1%
MCO-MAN 97 44135 35946 81.4%

I hope you have enjoyed these posts, it's actually pretty quick to put together. As next month will be June, I may try to do a side by side comparison of Month and YTD. We shall see,
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:37 pm

I heard it mentioned that TK was going to put the 789 on the BOS route. That seats 300; the A333 seats 289-305. But if TK is doing that good at BOS, shouldn't the plane of choice be their 77W?
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:51 pm

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I hope you have enjoyed these posts, it's actually pretty quick to put together. As next month will be June, I may try to do a side by side comparison of Month and YTD. We shall see,


Thanks VS4ever ... amazing community (A-net) service you are doing here. :bigthumbsup:

What stands out after going through all those tables and load numbers is that - BOS is going really strong - Boston Strong - lol if I may. (except for the VS MAN debacle) :duck:

And it is surging ... I'm not an aviation expert, but those loads suggest (to me) that there are still room to grow. And airlines are justifiably still adding routes and new destinations ... and good news is that Massport is making moves accordingly.

On that note, I ran into Thomas Glynn (ex-Massport CEO) the other day at a Tufts Alumni event. I thanked him for the amazing work in expanding services at BOS and told him that we hold him at high regard in this thread. He was very much involved with the new Terminal E expansion until recently - but now has focused on teaching in the Kennedy School from Spring.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:54 pm

The XLR’s are coming, the XLR’s are coming. First SK in Sept 2020, and per the TP 2020 thread this morning TP is going to start PDL-BOS on one next year, no more details yet, but S4 gotta be nervous about that? Or is there room for both?
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:22 pm

Construction of the E expansion must be taking up a lot of room - looks like the North Cargo area is getting tight! This morning I saw a UPS A300 (I think) parked at gate E11. Must be interesting trying to find spots for all these birds. Anyone know if there's been any news on relocating North Cargo ops?
Airports: BOS, JAX, JFK, EWR, LGA, CVG, ATL, CLT, DCA, IAD, STT, PVD, ALB, MCO
Aircraft: 733, 735, 73G, 738, 752, 717, A319, A320, MD-88, E190, E175, E145, CRJ-200, CRJ-700, Q400
Airlines: B6, CO, DL, US, NW, WN, DH
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:19 pm

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Construction of the E expansion must be taking up a lot of room - looks like the North Cargo area is getting tight! This morning I saw a UPS A300 (I think) parked at gate E11. Must be interesting trying to find spots for all these birds. Anyone know if there's been any news on relocating North Cargo ops?


UPS is getting bounced around based on where the construction is. So as the preliminary construction moves down towards the hangar, UPS shifts around it. Usually it effects the overnighters rather than the actual operation.

As far as I know, there's no plan to relocate because there's no space to relocate. The benefit UPS and DHL have is they don't use warehouse space, so theoretically they can go anywhere so long as the aircraft, the loaders, and the trucks can fit. Not to say that would be a practical decision, but hey, neither is servicing international flights on 33L/15R but we've been doing that anyway.

Come to think of it, even once construction is complete I'm not sure where UPS is going. The only presentations I've ever seen are tailored for the pax carriers. and quite frankly...the foreign carriers who wait 60+ minutes for gates in the summer really don't care where UPS goes, as long as they get a solution to their problems.
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:21 pm

Why do DHL and UPS need to fly to BOS? Can't they relocate to ORH or BED?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:22 pm

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Why do DHL and UPS need to fly to BOS? Can't they relocate to ORH or BED?


I doubt the people in Bedford, Lexington, Lincoln and Concord would be too pleased about large planes coming at random times throughout the day, nor would they want the additional truck traffic on their roads. These are all wealthy towns who will be able to fight this off better than some other towns would.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:52 am

So on the back of the International May numbers, i figured i would pull the domestic August YTD numbers. now tphuang is the master of the yields, i just do butts on seats.

Just like the International, I'll do this in parts to keep the posts shorter.

Part 1 - Destinations A to C


ATL

4 way fight, B6 bringing up the rear load factor wise, but significantly ahead of NK and WN and let's remember WN is pulling out of the route. As you would expect DL takes the lion's share of this one, but honestly B6 at 77% is not too shabby considering this is a defensive route more than anything.

DL BOS-ATL 5555 1061243 963320 90.8%
NK BOS-ATL 336 57748 48450 83.9%
WN BOS-ATL 612 91932 71984 78.3%
B6 BOS-ATL 2180 285146 219170 76.9%

AUS

Long gone are the days of the single daily on B6, now we have 3 entrants who have basically carved up the market between the 3 of them, B6 is the winner, but not by much.

WN BOS-AUS 414 67106 57699 86.0%
B6 BOS-AUS 480 73628 61737 83.8%
DL BOS-AUS 408 63970 51920 81.2%

BNA

B6 and WN lead the way, although if you assume the others are DL, then it's a much closer 3 way fight on the route.

WN BOS-BNA 1268 199116 171250 86.0%
OO BOS-BNA 889 62272 53190 85.4% (skywest)
B6 BOS-BNA 968 150782 125715 83.4%
9E BOS-BNA 198 15036 11958 79.5% (Endeavor)
YX BOS-BNA 367 26373 20099 76.2% (Republic)

BUF - B6 definitely the leader here by some margin and the best return on pax counts too.

B6 BOS-BUF 1956 196144 144653 73.7%
YX BOS-BUF 524 36604 25128 68.6%
9E BOS-BUF 552 41943 25839 61.6%
OO BOS-BUF 52 3600 1995 55.4%

B6 BOS-BUR 365 58614 40402 68.9% (horrid..just horrid as this includes the summer)

BWI - This is WN's bread and butter route and it shows, with 60% of the pax count and the best average loads.

WN BOS-BWI 3865 578743 475883 82.2%
B6 BOS-BWI 2459 246360 190736 77.4%
NK BOS-BWI 944 154871 117278 75.7%


CHS - Winner here is B6 and it's not even close, pretty much a monopoly on this one.

9E BOS-CHS 61 4633 4204 90.7%
OO BOS-CHS 321 22476 20251 90.1%
B6 BOS-CHS 970 123316 103915 84.3%

CLE - a lot has been talked about, about CLE, B6 is now the clear number 1 and decent loads too,

9E BOS-CLE 903 68601 59287 86.4%
B6 BOS-CLE 1373 137618 118161 85.9%
NK BOS-CLE 242 44044 35797 81.3%
EV BOS-CLE 270 13500 10692 79.2%

CLT - AA fortress hub, so you would expect this, even I took AA (which pained me) on this route on the way to MCO to save money.

AA BOS-CLT 4086 681962 608533 89.2%
B6 BOS-CLT 1216 121824 101464 83.3%

CMH - This has been running (if I remember correctly) in the low 60's for a while, not exactly setting the world on fire with these numbers.

9E BOS-CMH 3 228 181 79.4%
YX BOS-CMH 1216 87222 61277 70.3%
WN BOS-CMH 652 101012 64791 64.1%

CVG - This is really all DL, they have it to themselves, wonder if B6 is considering wading into this one at some-point, could do with a shake-up...

9E BOS-CVG 1110 84330 68108 80.8%
DL BOS-CVG 537 85230 64000 75.1%

Part 2: DAL/DFW, DEN, DCA, DTW, EWR, FLL, HDN, HNL, HOU
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:15 am

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Dieuwer wrote:
Why do DHL and UPS need to fly to BOS? Can't they relocate to ORH or BED?


I doubt the people in Bedford, Lexington, Lincoln and Concord would be too pleased about large planes coming at random times throughout the day, nor would they want the additional truck traffic on their roads. These are all wealthy towns who will be able to fight this off better than some other towns would.


I wouldn't want to be the rep arguing for that case...

Also to add, cargo on aircraft/at the airport is complicated because it needs to get off to a sorting center asap. FedEx is the only cargo carrier that sorts at the airport (aside from the domestic pax haulers) So otherwise the plane needs to be offloaded onto the trucks and those trucks need to be at the center quickly.

I heard from a UPS supervisor once at a rather unfortunate hour of the morning that they can get a ULD off the plane and to their center in Watertown in something like 30 minutes, then on to a different outbound truck in another 30. Compare that to the pax belly cargo where it usually takes at least an hour just to get a pallet from the gate to the warehouse...

So while it may be a nice idea to stick freight away from the city, the companies won't go for it if it adds trucking complications to the next warehouse is basically it.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:49 pm

A 764 did the LHR-BOS run today for DL. Was this the day the switchover was supposed to happen?
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:55 pm

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A 764 did the LHR-BOS run today for DL. Was this the day the switchover was supposed to happen?


That would be correct, as the first out leg was supposed to be yesterday, although i have a feeling these aircraft operate a W pattern rather than an out and back.

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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:33 pm

Part 2 - Destinations D to H


DCA - Straight fight between AA and B6, AA has the edge in total pax count and load factor, so market is 57% AA.

YX BOS-DCA 59 4484 3914 87.3%
AA BOS-DCA 5662 680590 573541 84.3%
B6 BOS-DCA 4907 517962 417931 80.7%


DEN - Everyone should be happy with these results, even with F9 joining the fray, UA is the market leader, but B6 is hot on the heels of WN, you have to wonder where those F9 pax would have gone if that service had not started. Still shows F9 are going to be at least a bit relevant in this market.

UA BOS-DEN 2174 383306 352587 92.0%
WN BOS-DEN 978 161358 144832 89.8%
F9 BOS-DEN 244 44952 39739 88.4%
B6 BOS-DEN 928 162540 138913 85.5%


DAL/DFW - Again, everyone should be ok with these numbers, AA clearly the market leader given DFW is a massive hub, but B6 holding their own at 88%, best of the rest. WN to DAL is also clearly popular given these results.

WN BOS-DAL 479 78161 68431 87.6%
AA BOS-DFW 3014 517583 471652 91.1%
B6 BOS-DFW 833 124746 109975 88.2%
NK BOS-DFW 243 44115 38480 87.2%

DTW - DTW market leading because of their hub, 80% on B6 is ok, but lagging a bit, compared to the other 2.

DL BOS-DTW 3039 504884 439547 87.1%
NK BOS-DTW 235 42770 35506 83.0%
B6 BOS-DTW 1378 138392 111594 80.6%

EWR - really a straight fight between UA and B6, and B6 getting owned on this route, 62% is pretty rough, remember this is YTD, not a month.

YX BOS-EWR 72 5112 4412 86.3%
EV BOS-EWR 30 1500 1288 85.9%
UA BOS-EWR 4347 658947 531579 80.7%
B6 BOS-EWR 2134 214444 133732 62.4%
DL BOS-EWR 22 1672 749 44.8%

FLL - B6 bread and butter, but DL and NK have taken a nice chunk of this route and loading their folks up in very good numbers, this is way more of a fight than it used to be now

DL BOS-FLL 607 99761 90591 90.8%
B6 BOS-FLL 2479 372012 328233 88.2%
NK BOS-FLL 930 186850 164515 88.0%

B6 BOS-HDN 50 8052 5149 63.9% (Steamboat springs), didn't set the world on fire, the question is, was it supposed to?

HA BOS-HNL 242 67276 59904 89.0% - This one shocked me, was not expecting 89%, but i did hear noises HA were happy, now I think we know why..

HOU - this was surprising to me how close this actually was, given i thought HOU was a big front for WN, of course they will have it back to themselves when B6 switch to IAH.

WN BOS-HOU 461 72675 65554 90.2%
B6 BOS-HOU 478 69334 58531 84.4%


Part 3: Destinations I to L...
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Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:00 am

that HA number is very, very impressive. i was thinking in my head that a number in the low 80s would be excellent; 89% is fantastic. cargo revenue on the route is presumably solid as well.
 
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Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:02 am

Part 3: Destinations I to L

IAD - UA really has this to themselves with B6's focus on DCA, 88% proves there's life in IAD yet..

YV BOS-IAD 84 5976 5551 92.9%
UA BOS-IAD 1816 293709 259625 88.4%
B6 BOS-IAD 38 3800 2899 76.3%

UA BOS-IAH 2029 324831 285917 88.0% (be interested to see what happens after the B6 switch from HOU)

IND - I'm not sure there's a case here for B6 to wade into this. if WN can only pull 65% and the regionals can only muster around 75 on average, why do we think that B6 would do any better here?

9E BOS-IND 19 1444 1265 87.6%
YX BOS-IND 1345 94338 69869 74.1%
WN BOS-IND 377 56311 36545 64.9%

JAX - B6 has the upper hand here, against the regionals, 9E has better loads, but on a small number of flights.

9E BOS-JAX 174 13216 11497 87.0%
B6 BOS-JAX 1395 148562 121317 81.7%
YX BOS-JAX 743 53367 39814 74.6%
OO BOS-JAX 185 12950 9200 71.0%

JFK B6 has the most flights and passengers, but plenty are flying DL and the regionals at better loads. AA mainline shows how they are retrenching not impressive at all.

OO BOS-JFK 771 54012 44395 82.2%
DL BOS-JFK 871 114755 92983 81.0%
9E BOS-JFK 1565 118899 95244 80.1%
B6 BOS-JFK 2621 269426 194559 72.2%
YX BOS-JFK 283 20213 14008 69.3%
MQ BOS-JFK 388 17096 11823 69.2%
AA BOS-JFK 711 83647 48119 57.5%

LAS - B6 has the lions share of this market, NK and DL seem to be co-existing happily however, DL getting the best average loads, but everyone is doing ok for butts on seats on this one.

DL BOS-LAS 428 68492 60988 89.0%
NK BOS-LAS 473 78019 67516 86.5%
B6 BOS-LAS 1769 282676 242105 85.6%

LAX - Everyone is doing well load wise (yields are another story entirely), but AS is falling behind on all counts. AA #1 in counts, followed by B6, and lets remember a bunch of those are Mint aircraft with smaller seat counts. DL and UA playing their part. DL again getting the best average.

DL BOS-LAX 1110 185810 167731 90.3%
B6 BOS-LAX 1861 295776 265383 89.7%
AA BOS-LAX 2377 378114 338136 89.4%
UA BOS-LAX 1051 178913 155088 86.7%
AS BOS-LAX 640 103184 86118 83.5%

LGA - B6 have made themselves relevant on this route, but are definitely lagging behind the others. 9% on 230K seats is about 19K pax short of the rest, that's a lot, even at the relatively low fares on the route.

AA BOS-LGA 4819 484070 337148 69.6%
YX BOS-LGA 3915 293186 203108 69.3%
DL BOS-LGA 2194 258567 176872 68.4%
OO BOS-LGA 80 5560 3732 67.1%
B6 BOS-LGA 2295 230398 139632 60.6%

B6 BOS-LGB 561 86882 73240 84.3% (despite the heavily documented woes of LGB, people still fly the route in significant numbers and decent loads)

Part 4: Destinations from M to O
Part 5: Destinations from P to R
Part 6: Final part with S and T.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:45 am

Terminal E is going to be an extremely busy place next summer. Much busier than previously expected.

Not at liberty to divulge too much info, but it seems there's a certain carrier who will be making some big moves out of BOS. Not necessarily via expansion or new routes...for now
 
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Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:04 am

FGITD wrote:
Terminal E is going to be an extremely busy place next summer. Much busier than previously expected.

Not at liberty to divulge too much info, but it seems there's a certain carrier who will be making some big moves out of BOS. Not necessarily via expansion or new routes...for now


I’ll bite. Perhaps I’m a bit slow tonight - but if an airline isn’t expanding or adding new routes - then how does a certain carrier make terminal E much busier? My initial instinct says larger aircraft, but wouldn’t larger aircraft mean expanding....like expanding their operation by using larger capacity planes? I’m stumped on this one...can you help me out here FGITD (or anyone)?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:09 am

clrd4t8koff wrote:
FGITD wrote:
Terminal E is going to be an extremely busy place next summer. Much busier than previously expected.

Not at liberty to divulge too much info, but it seems there's a certain carrier who will be making some big moves out of BOS. Not necessarily via expansion or new routes...for now


I’ll bite. Perhaps I’m a bit slow tonight - but if an airline isn’t expanding or adding new routes - then how does a certain carrier make terminal E much busier? My initial instinct says larger aircraft, but wouldn’t larger aircraft mean expanding....like expanding their operation by using larger capacity planes? I’m stumped on this one...can you help me out here FGITD (or anyone)?


How many carriers at BOS have a significant need for terminal E without further expanding their route network, I can think of only 2 and one of them already has preferential gate treatment. I bet you can guess the other.. hint, it’s on the other side of the airport right now..
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:34 am

VS4ever wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
FGITD wrote:
Terminal E is going to be an extremely busy place next summer. Much busier than previously expected.

Not at liberty to divulge too much info, but it seems there's a certain carrier who will be making some big moves out of BOS. Not necessarily via expansion or new routes...for now


I’ll bite. Perhaps I’m a bit slow tonight - but if an airline isn’t expanding or adding new routes - then how does a certain carrier make terminal E much busier? My initial instinct says larger aircraft, but wouldn’t larger aircraft mean expanding....like expanding their operation by using larger capacity planes? I’m stumped on this one...can you help me out here FGITD (or anyone)?


How many carriers at BOS have a significant need for terminal E without further expanding their route network, I can think of only 2 and one of them already has preferential gate treatment. I bet you can guess the other.. hint, it’s on the other side of the airport right now..


Yeah, I’m still slow I guess. Sounds like you’re talking about DL. But how will they make terminal E busier if they’re not expanding or adding new routes. That’s where I’m getting lost.
 
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Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:22 pm

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-changes/
Confirmation of SAS’s addition of the 321LR to the mix up to 6 weekly but only 2-3 of those will be on the 321, the 330 will still cover the other days


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -dec-2019/

Adjustment to the existing service ahead of the new route coming for VR.
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Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:24 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:

I’ll bite. Perhaps I’m a bit slow tonight - but if an airline isn’t expanding or adding new routes - then how does a certain carrier make terminal E much busier? My initial instinct says larger aircraft, but wouldn’t larger aircraft mean expanding....like expanding their operation by using larger capacity planes? I’m stumped on this one...can you help me out here FGITD (or anyone)?


How many carriers at BOS have a significant need for terminal E without further expanding their route network, I can think of only 2 and one of them already has preferential gate treatment. I bet you can guess the other.. hint, it’s on the other side of the airport right now..


Yeah, I’m still slow I guess. Sounds like you’re talking about DL. But how will they make terminal E busier if they’re not expanding or adding new routes. That’s where I’m getting lost.


My guess would certainly be moving their int'l departures over to E to free up space back in A. If they did, I wonder if they would have a set of permanent or preferential gates over there. With over 10 int'l departures a day at their peak season, that may warrant exception from the current CUTE rules.
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Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:59 pm

mikegigs wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
VS4ever wrote:

How many carriers at BOS have a significant need for terminal E without further expanding their route network, I can think of only 2 and one of them already has preferential gate treatment. I bet you can guess the other.. hint, it’s on the other side of the airport right now..


Yeah, I’m still slow I guess. Sounds like you’re talking about DL. But how will they make terminal E busier if they’re not expanding or adding new routes. That’s where I’m getting lost.


My guess would certainly be moving their int'l departures over to E to free up space back in A. If they did, I wonder if they would have a set of permanent or preferential gates over there. With over 10 int'l departures a day at their peak season, that may warrant exception from the current CUTE rules.


Right, so they are going to move all their international departures over there and make themselves uncompetitive on routes like LHR/LGW/DUB where the passengers now have to go all the way from A to E to catch a flight. And they won't have control of their gates which will impact their operation on some of the most important business routes. It's completely a ludicrous idea. At most, they'd move a couple of summer only vacation flights over. And even that's really not needed given those flights are late evening departures when A really isn't that busy. You think they are going to get preferential gate at E when they would only possibly need it in summer months when E is already at its most crowded.
 
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Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:22 pm

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IND - I'm not sure there's a case here for B6 to wade into this. if WN can only pull 65% and the regionals can only muster around 75 on average, why do we think that B6 would do any better here?

9E BOS-IND 19 1444 1265 87.6%
YX BOS-IND 1345 94338 69869 74.1%
WN BOS-IND 377 56311 36545 64.9%


BOS-IND is a lucrative route for DL, as you can see it is highlighted in the green. Average fares jumped on this route significantly, since WN stopped serving the route 2x daily in May which is keeping LFs low

BOS-IND is a 450 PDEW market being served by 3-4 RJs daily, I think there is profitable room for more service

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Fri Nov 22, 2019 2:44 pm

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IND - I'm not sure there's a case here for B6 to wade into this. if WN can only pull 65% and the regionals can only muster around 75 on average, why do we think that B6 would do any better here?

9E BOS-IND 19 1444 1265 87.6%
YX BOS-IND 1345 94338 69869 74.1%
WN BOS-IND 377 56311 36545 64.9%


B6 might be able to make BOS-IND nonstop service work due to (a) B6 having stronger BOS point-of-sale than WN, (b) B6 still having E-190's with fewer seats than WN's 737-700's in its fleet, (c) B6 already serving ORD, CLE, DTW, and MSP in the Midwest nonstop from BOS, and (d) IND being one of the top domestic destinations out of BOS that isn't currently served by B6.
 
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Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:37 pm

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CVG - This is really all DL, they have it to themselves, wonder if B6 is considering wading into this one at some-point, could do with a shake-up...

9E BOS-CVG 1110 84330 68108 80.8%
DL BOS-CVG 537 85230 64000 75.1%


F9 adding BOS-CVG nonstop service is also a possibility with (a) F9 already serving both BOS and CVG, (b) BOS being one of the top destinations that F9, G4, or WN doesn't currently serve nonstop from CVG, and (c) F9 already having nonstop service out of CVG to some destinations outside of DEN, LAS, and Florida.

WN had previously considered adding BOS-CVG nonstop service, but WN is unlikely to add BOS-CVG nonstop service anytime soon with WN having already dropped IND-BOS nonstop service and WN dropping MCI-BOS and MKE-BOS nonstop service.

I agree that B6 adding BOS-CVG nonstop service is a possibility if BOS-CVG nonstop service isn't added by F9 or WN with CVG being one of the top destinations that isn't currently served by B6.
 
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Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:09 pm

I’m thinking that EK and BA go year-round with the A380. There has been talk of BA acquiring the A380s LH no longer wants.
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Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:53 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if DL moves a chunk of their int'l departures to E, especiallyt he wide bodies.

Whether it's a bad idea or not will depend on how DL implements it. If they launch the BOS jitney, then it won't be that different than a number of other airports.

As an aside, I wonder what they're going to d o about SkyClubs if they do in fact move a bunch of stuff to E. Share with VS/AF? Will there be a common club since VS and AF/DL/KL just got approval to coordinate more on TATL routes?
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Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:27 pm

tlecam wrote:

As an aside, I wonder what they're going to d o about SkyClubs if they do in fact move a bunch of stuff to E. Share with VS/AF? Will there be a common club since VS and AF/DL/KL just got approval to coordinate more on TATL routes?


Especially considering Delta is just now spending money on the SkyClubs in A and adding showers.
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Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:29 pm

tlecam wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if DL moves a chunk of their int'l departures to E, especiallyt he wide bodies.

Whether it's a bad idea or not will depend on how DL implements it. If they launch the BOS jitney, then it won't be that different than a number of other airports.

As an aside, I wonder what they're going to d o about SkyClubs if they do in fact move a bunch of stuff to E. Share with VS/AF? Will there be a common club since VS and AF/DL/KL just got approval to coordinate more on TATL routes?


All of the above makes sense except terminal E is just as busy and as gate constrained as terminal A so i don't really know where the "slots" would come from in order for DL to move some of their departures from A to E.
TP is adding a flight (PDL-BOS) and i wouldn't be totally shocked if they're not done adding. Between O&D and B6 conx TP could conceivably go up to 4 daily.
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Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:32 pm

Given how many flights tp might run next summer and how many additional flights b6 has scheduled in, wouldnt surprise me if tp flies out of e at some point. Things are going to get pretty tight in c if tp and ei have to occupy 3 or 4 gates at the same time. Especially since b6 isn't getting any more gates next year according to what I have read here.
 
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Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:51 pm

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Given how many flights tp might run next summer and how many additional flights b6 has scheduled in, wouldnt surprise me if tp flies out of e at some point. Things are going to get pretty tight in c if tp and ei have to occupy 3 or 4 gates at the same time. Especially since b6 isn't getting any more gates next year according to what I have read here.

TP's LIS and PDL flight will not overlap at Logan. The PDL flight will arrive after the LIS flight has departed. PDL will be a late night departure (after 10pm) when terminal C is not so busy.
 
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Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:56 pm

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https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/287687/sas-sepoct-2020-us-service-changes/
Confirmation of SAS’s addition of the 321LR to the mix up to 6 weekly but only 2-3 of those will be on the 321, the 330 will still cover the other days

They've been a bit to quick, compared to SAS's IT department, and taken the information from the booking system before it was fully loaded.
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Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:00 pm

SASViking wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/287687/sas-sepoct-2020-us-service-changes/
Confirmation of SAS’s addition of the 321LR to the mix up to 6 weekly but only 2-3 of those will be on the 321, the 330 will still cover the other days

They've been a bit to quick, compared to SAS's IT department, and taken the information from the booking system before it was fully loaded.
All 6 weekly departures now shows "A321Neo" aka A321LR


Thanks for the clarification, appreciated :)
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Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:57 pm

Part 4: M to O

MCI - not much to write home about here, nobody is really setting the world on fire with regional service. 9E is the best of course.

9E BOS-MCI 338 25679 21616 84.2%
OO BOS-MCI 46 3226 2512 77.9%
WN BOS-MCI 290 45694 31389 68.7%
YX BOS-MCI 386 28069 18614 66.3%

MCO - 4 way fight now that F9 have weighed in, guess using E isn't affecting them at all, but that's a nice start to the route for them, B6 is the market leader as they should be, but DL and NK mop up a significant portion of this market.

F9 BOS-MCO 256 47942 43948 91.7%
DL BOS-MCO 1381 223006 197543 88.6%
B6 BOS-MCO 2915 538097 458819 85.3%
NK BOS-MCO 962 192720 163637 84.9%
WN BOS-MCO 42 6262 5257 84.0%

PT BOS-MDT 378 18900 11824 62.6% - Meh...

WN BOS-MDW 1705 262279 227637 86.8% - WN fortress, big connecting hub, not surprised at this one.

AA BOS-MIA 3010 502521 458532 91.2% - AA fortress, big connecting hub, no competition until DL start up, so unsurprising.

MKE - this one surprised me, thought WN would be bigger to MKE, but it's only around 51/49 in favor of WN.

OO BOS-MKE 815 57074 44744 78.4%
WN BOS-MKE 431 64033 47094 73.5%

MSP - MSP is a hub for DL, you would expect their numbers to be good. SY is the hometown airline so you would expect those to be good too. B6 is a little behind, but 76% is not terrible, but it's not earth shattering either.

DL BOS-MSP 2655 463953 405823 87.5%
SY BOS-MSP 263 48597 39793 81.9%
B6 BOS-MSP 1350 210448 160499 76.3%

MSY - Clear #1 on all counts here for B6, NK making a decent fight of it. But this is definitely B6 turf.

B6 BOS-MSY 721 100960 87893 87.1%
NK BOS-MSY 448 73655 57578 78.2%
YX BOS-MSY 54 3985 2961 74.3%

MYR - NK's bread and butter, so again, not surprising they are in 82%, although loads should be decent in winter with the snowbirds going down that way.

9E BOS-MYR 24 1824 1743 95.6%
NK BOS-MYR 481 98499 81650 82.9%

B6 BOS-OAK 88 14232 12491 87.8% (this one surprised me, although it's only seasonal, but very good for OAK I have to say)

ORD - 4 way fight with UA/AA cornering the market, amazing how close they are on this route. B6 will never increase that much because they don't have the gate space for more, but given the twin 800lb gorilla's and less than stellar B6 schedule, 83% is not bad.

NK BOS-ORD 233 42415 39659 93.5%
UA BOS-ORD 3548 582812 511872 87.8%
AA BOS-ORD 3397 562534 492212 87.5%
B6 BOS-ORD 2034 205564 170998 83.2%

9E BOS-ORF 323 24541 18916 77.1% - Not much to say, not crap, not brilliant, it's like goldilock's porridge, just about right.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 23, 2019 12:59 am

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Part 2
DEN - Everyone should be happy with these results, even with F9 joining the fray, UA is the market leader, but B6 is hot on the heels of WN, you have to wonder where those F9 pax would have gone if that service had not started. Still shows F9 are going to be at least a bit relevant in this market.

UA BOS-DEN 2174 383306 352587 92.0%
WN BOS-DEN 978 161358 144832 89.8%
F9 BOS-DEN 244 44952 39739 88.4%
B6 BOS-DEN 928 162540 138913 85.5%


Interestingly over the last few weeks I have noticed that UA each week has had a 753 which has basically been assigned assigned to BOS to do a turn to DEN each day (only operating 2 flights each day) and overnighting at BOS.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:23 am

jworks158 wrote:
Interestingly over the last few weeks I have noticed that UA each week has had a 753 which has basically been assigned assigned to BOS to do a turn to DEN each day (only operating 2 flights each day) and overnighting at BOS.

I'm actually booked on that DEN 753 and IIRC it was a 737 when I first booked the flight but about a month ago it switched to a 753. I was happy for the switch because this will be my first ride on this "rare" type.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:25 pm

Part 5: Destinations P to R

PBI - On a B6 bread and butter route, you would expect them to be dominant and they are, but DL and NK have taken a decent slice of this market

9E BOS-PBI 24 1824 1614 88.5%
B6 BOS-PBI 2329 371928 316361 85.1%
DL BOS-PBI 225 29971 24484 81.7%
NK BOS-PBI 261 37845 30769 81.3%

PDX - This surprised me a little, not that AS was the bigger carrier, it should be, but 92% loads for B6 is definitely up there and clearly popular with their passengers..

B6 BOS-PDX 279 45126 41692 92.4%
AS BOS-PDX 720 122414 107937 88.2%

PHL - PHL for B6 is one of those have to have routes, AA clearly dominant here in all the number metrics, 214,000 is a pretty good capture for B6, but the loads are low and the prices are too. 9E for DL is also struggling, having taken a couple of these flights this year, they are far from full for sure.

AA BOS-PHL 5100 710282 573968 80.8%
B6 BOS-PHL 2889 289408 214851 74.2%
OO BOS-PHL 92 6440 4703 73.0%
9E BOS-PHL 794 60323 41592 68.9%
YX BOS-PHL 954 66757 44130 66.1%

PHX - AA bread and butter route and it shows with 94% loads, but B6 holding their own, clearly much lower in the passenger count, but 89% is pretty good to be honest.

AA BOS-PHX 1677 283485 266985 94.2%
B6 BOS-PHX 485 77337 68741 88.9%

PIT - Nobody is really setting the world on fire with PIT, B6 is doing the best and is also the dominant player in the market, but 75% is really just ok.

B6 BOS-PIT 2585 260012 195327 75.1%
YX BOS-PIT 844 59111 42301 71.6%
9E BOS-PIT 794 60318 40706 67.5%
OO BOS-PIT 133 9322 5487 58.9%

B6 BOS-PSP 84 13836 7451 53.9% - the less said about this one the better.

RDU - popular route this one.. B6 still just about lead the way as #1 carrier, but it's close, once you add all the regionals and DL up. F9 has taken a decent chunk along with NK, most are doing ok at above 80%, NK are probably short of where they would like to be at 78% however.

F9 BOS-RDU 140 25812 21935 85.0%
9E BOS-RDU 554 42071 35099 83.4%
B6 BOS-RDU 2632 263856 216977 82.2%
G7 BOS-RDU 751 56008 45616 81.4%
DL BOS-RDU 1013 118136 95898 81.2%
NK BOS-RDU 230 36902 28667 77.7%
YX BOS-RDU 270 19603 12704 64.8%

RIC - B6 is the market leader by some considerable margin, and just under 80% average, is not bad overall, some of the regionals are not great at 60% or so..

OO BOS-RIC 396 26760 21788 81.4%
B6 BOS-RIC 1774 179236 142867 79.7%
9E BOS-RIC 164 12455 8298 66.6%
YX BOS-RIC 575 40228 24120 60.0%
G7 BOS-RIC 100 7444 4347 58.4%

ROC - two way fight between Piedmont and B6 here, Piedmont has the upper hand with a 55/45 split in passengers, but both are seeming to co-exist happily here.

B6 BOS-ROC 460 46059 37708 81.9%
PT BOS-ROC 1198 59900 47883 79.9%

RSW - Another B6 bread and butter route, and it shows with 86% loads, NK has a decent share, but 75% is probably just ok for them, nothing special

B6 BOS-RSW 2301 379110 326852 86.2%
DL BOS-RSW 221 29494 24007 81.4%
YX BOS-RSW 33 2417 1937 80.1%
NK BOS-RSW 464 84448 63919 75.7%
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:41 pm

These numbers show there’s a lot of “fat” in the service levels at BOS ...70-75% on ULCCs or LCCs is not “not bad”... it’s bad... and if it’s more than 2 Airlines, it’s probably really bad from a yield perspective.

There a good 2-3 dozen airline routes (not routes in general but an airline and route together) that are not sustainable. We’ve already seen WN throw in the towel on half a dozen... there’s lots more to come.
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