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VS4ever
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:58 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
So we have tons of domestic capacity additions leading to trashy fares, while TATL premium fares are still sky high. What gives?? Why are airlines not adding TATL premium capacity instead of trashing it out domestically?

Case in point:
Next Monday BOS-LAX, cheapest B6 Mint = $619. Cheapest J BOS-LHR = $6609 (DL).


Combo of factors, some of which you have already alluded to.

1. Because they can.. TATL JV's exist for a reason and it's not all about the customer :)
2. Means they can get away with offering trashy domestic fares and making it back up on TATL because bigger margins.
3. Costs for TATL are a bit larger than domestic, especially if flying to LHR and having to pay the APD and other taxes, you would be surprised how little the actual fare was.
4. Comparing a little bit of apples and pears. B6 is no TATL J, however they market it. But let's not forget a lot of J space is taken up with FF and upgrades using miles, so capacity is limited, of course they are going to try and charge higher prices to make the return on the real estate that remains, that's just economics.
5. As we have seen by the blustering of B6 over their initial attempts to get into LHR, it ain't that easy, even those with Premium Economy like DY, FI have not made a huge impact in the J market because of #4

I agree, a 10x differential for a flight of around the same length is insanity, but at the end of the day, the market is about charging what it's willing to bear. If DL's customers are ultimately willing to pay $6609 for a 7 hour flight in J, why would DL leave money on the table and charge a lower price. Any finance/economic type person would tell you they are doing exactly what they are supposed to do.

The only way to bring it down, is bring in a competitive offering like Mint that provides excellent value for Money, or another airline willing to take the risk with a premium offering to match it, it's a reason why types like Silver Air, Open Skies and La Compagnie, tried their all J offering to tap into that market and well you can see how well that ended up.

It basically needs some airlines to go in and push that capacity up with an offering that is more than comparable. VS won't do it, because they belong to DL, AA/UA don't want to do it, because well AA was running CDG and bailed and UA gave up that ghost along ago. B6 could do it, if they could find their rear end from their elbow in terms of moving that forward. DY/DI could do it, but need to pack their planes right now, so taking seats out is not good. (just think DY's 789's carry 344, JL's as an example are more like 180.. BIG difference!), I would love to have seen MT try something like that, but again like DY they need to pack planes to make them work and they canned BOS anyway.

As I said, the TATL JV's exist for the benefit of those in it, not for the customer, if those were ripped up, you might lose a few routes, but at least you might have some chance at some competition. I was looking forward to the 4 way fun on CDG, between, PF, DY, AF and DL, but alas not to be..
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:23 pm

F9 will be loading more routes soon, so I imagine more is to come to BOS.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:43 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
So we have tons of domestic capacity additions leading to trashy fares, while TATL premium fares are still sky high. What gives?? Why are airlines not adding TATL premium capacity instead of trashing it out domestically?

Case in point:
Next Monday BOS-LAX, cheapest B6 Mint = $619. Cheapest J BOS-LHR = $6609 (DL).


You would have to look up more than just a week ahead, as International fares tend to be more driven by advanced purchase. Also, be careful with one ways - domestically round trip fares are usually just the sum of two one-ways, while internationally one-ways are much higher as there is more risk for the carrier.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:47 pm

VS4ever wrote:
I agree, a 10x differential for a flight of around the same length is insanity, but at the end of the day, the market is about charging what it's willing to bear. I

This trumps everything.
My last trip to Bangalore I paid $2,900 R/T in J, on BA via LHR. So the guy sitting next to me just doing BOS-LHR-BOS probably paid 2x as much for a trip that is half the distance LOL
It's insane what people are willing to pay for a TATL J ticket and so you can see why B6 wants in on that market.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:53 pm

cloudboy wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
So we have tons of domestic capacity additions leading to trashy fares, while TATL premium fares are still sky high. What gives?? Why are airlines not adding TATL premium capacity instead of trashing it out domestically?

Case in point:
Next Monday BOS-LAX, cheapest B6 Mint = $619. Cheapest J BOS-LHR = $6609 (DL).


You would have to look up more than just a week ahead, as International fares tend to be more driven by advanced purchase. Also, be careful with one ways - domestically round trip fares are usually just the sum of two one-ways, while internationally one-ways are much higher as there is more risk for the carrier.


Not only that, but due to the taxes, you will find US-EUR one ways will largely be cheaper than EUR-US.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:29 pm

It appears that BA will bring the 787 back along with the A380. On selected days and selected flights, the 787 handles either of the last two outbounds. The morning is always a 777, the first evening one is the A380, and the second two evening ones bounce between 777/787.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:35 pm

VS4ever wrote:

As I said, the TATL JV's exist for the benefit of those in it, not for the customer, if those were ripped up, you might lose a few routes, but at least you might have some chance at some competition. I was looking forward to the 4 way fun on CDG, between, PF, DY, AF and DL, but alas not to be..



AF/DL look ready to battle anyone who tries CDG. There are days next summer that have 2 AF 77W, and a DL 764. An early departure, a middle, and a late departure.

That's a lot of seats for one JV
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:53 pm

FGITD wrote:
VS4ever wrote:

As I said, the TATL JV's exist for the benefit of those in it, not for the customer, if those were ripped up, you might lose a few routes, but at least you might have some chance at some competition. I was looking forward to the 4 way fun on CDG, between, PF, DY, AF and DL, but alas not to be..



AF/DL look ready to battle anyone who tries CDG. There are days next summer that have 2 AF 77W, and a DL 764. An early departure, a middle, and a late departure.

That's a lot of seats for one JV


Good to see a bit of an adjustment on the times too! The first AF flight and DL's used to leave within 15 minutes of each other. CDG-BOS still has a better spread of departure times coming home.
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2019: CX BOS-HKG, WE HKG-HKT, CA HKT-PEK-EWR, B6 EWR-BOS
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:18 am

adamh8297 wrote:
FGITD wrote:
VS4ever wrote:

As I said, the TATL JV's exist for the benefit of those in it, not for the customer, if those were ripped up, you might lose a few routes, but at least you might have some chance at some competition. I was looking forward to the 4 way fun on CDG, between, PF, DY, AF and DL, but alas not to be..



AF/DL look ready to battle anyone who tries CDG. There are days next summer that have 2 AF 77W, and a DL 764. An early departure, a middle, and a late departure.

That's a lot of seats for one JV


Good to see a bit of an adjustment on the times too! The first AF flight and DL's used to leave within 15 minutes of each other. CDG-BOS still has a better spread of departure times coming home.


Still not a huge gap. I believe AF is 18:30, DL is.19:15, and AF is 22:15 or somewhere thereabouts.

Mix in the AMS flights and it's quite the show those 2 will be running
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:20 am

MSP, FLL and IAH numbers for Nov-2018 are all out. FLL steam that was looking outstanding seems to have slowed down considerably. BOS has significantly overtaken MSP however has ways to go to take on IAH. I believe with the next round of adds in 2019 from mainly DL, and few other carriers, we could see the number shrink.

BOS MSP-BOS MSP FLL IAH-BOS IAH
Jan 2,576,261 108,549 2,684,810 3,030,577 654,853 3,231,114
Feb 2,605,207 105,812 2,711,019 2,854,417 444,034 3,049,241
Mar 3,197,326 213,541 3,410,867 3,498,784 490,837 3,688,163
Apr 3,508,607 (515,345) 2,993,262 3,100,652 37,603 3,546,210
May 3,705,129 (477,639) 3,227,490 3,011,356 9,930 3,715,059
Jun 3,843,131 (327,466) 3,515,665 3,011,746 194,032 4,037,163
Jul 3,999,933 (334,925) 3,665,008 3,166,922 236,939 4,236,872
Aug 4,044,126 (313,725) 3,730,401 3,021,479 (158,440) 3,885,686
Sep 3,393,644 (351,319) 3,042,325 2,419,516 (107,969) 3,285,675
Oct 3,677,923 (452,142) 3,225,781 2,573,461 (27,470) 3,650,453
Nov 3,296,694 (374,773) 2,921,921 2,982,375 362,359 3,659,053
Dec

Totals 37,847,981 (2,719,432) 35,128,549 32,671,285 2,136,708 40,016,095
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:39 am

FGITD wrote:
VS4ever wrote:

As I said, the TATL JV's exist for the benefit of those in it, not for the customer, if those were ripped up, you might lose a few routes, but at least you might have some chance at some competition. I was looking forward to the 4 way fun on CDG, between, PF, DY, AF and DL, but alas not to be..



AF/DL look ready to battle anyone who tries CDG. There are days next summer that have 2 AF 77W, and a DL 764. An early departure, a middle, and a late departure.

That's a lot of seats for one JV

Could they be preparing for AZ leaving the JV (or going away for that matter), and thus need extra seats to absorb that demand?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:09 am

airbazar wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
I agree, a 10x differential for a flight of around the same length is insanity, but at the end of the day, the market is about charging what it's willing to bear. I

This trumps everything.
My last trip to Bangalore I paid $2,900 R/T in J, on BA via LHR. So the guy sitting next to me just doing BOS-LHR-BOS probably paid 2x as much for a trip that is half the distance LOL
It's insane what people are willing to pay for a TATL J ticket and so you can see why B6 wants in on that market.

Does this also have to do with corporate discounts that can be leveraged? I checked in my internal firm website and for a J class ticket from BOS to LHR departing next Monday and returning bAck on Thursday is coming to $4000 and economy is coming to $2400. I just believe there are too many corporate customers are willing to pay the price and there must be a lot more walk in customers to LHR vs A trip to BOM.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:49 am

airbazar wrote:
FGITD wrote:
VS4ever wrote:

As I said, the TATL JV's exist for the benefit of those in it, not for the customer, if those were ripped up, you might lose a few routes, but at least you might have some chance at some competition. I was looking forward to the 4 way fun on CDG, between, PF, DY, AF and DL, but alas not to be..



AF/DL look ready to battle anyone who tries CDG. There are days next summer that have 2 AF 77W, and a DL 764. An early departure, a middle, and a late departure.

That's a lot of seats for one JV

Could they be preparing for AZ leaving the JV (or going away for that matter), and thus need extra seats to absorb that demand?


I've heard a few theories/rumors on it, that definitely touch upon AZ not playing a significant role.

From the AF end I've read that the usual a330s are going through updates, reducing the overall fleet by a few at a time. And there are not many 330 destinations in the US to begin with, so for all we know the second 777 could be a one off season, then back to the 330s after.

But generally speaking, the 772/332 combo is a reduction from recent years. For example, not so many years ago, it was 2 744s. Or 744/772, 744/332 and various other combinations of 747s, 777s, 330s and 340s.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:56 pm

iyerhari wrote:
airbazar wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
I agree, a 10x differential for a flight of around the same length is insanity, but at the end of the day, the market is about charging what it's willing to bear. I

This trumps everything.
My last trip to Bangalore I paid $2,900 R/T in J, on BA via LHR. So the guy sitting next to me just doing BOS-LHR-BOS probably paid 2x as much for a trip that is half the distance LOL
It's insane what people are willing to pay for a TATL J ticket and so you can see why B6 wants in on that market.

Does this also have to do with corporate discounts that can be leveraged? I checked in my internal firm website and for a J class ticket from BOS to LHR departing next Monday and returning bAck on Thursday is coming to $4000 and economy is coming to $2400. I just believe there are too many corporate customers are willing to pay the price and there must be a lot more walk in customers to LHR vs A trip to BOM.

I'm not sure if that question was for me but I'll answer it. My ticket to BLR was retail. My corporate agent wanted me to fly on some stupid itinerary with a huge layover which was more expensive. I jumped on Orbitz and found a better itinerary for less money. So much for corporate travel agents :)
On the topic of advance purchases you're probably right. The fact that some of us require a visa to travel to India for work and that my company has a huge laundry list of things that need to be done before any of us travels to India means there's no such thing as a walk-up purchase. So when we do go to India our trips are always planned a few months in advance thus allowing us to obtain advanced J fares.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:07 pm

Interesting. We don’t have the ability to use anyone other than our approved travel agency. Having said that, I’ve never come across an itinerary that wasn’t available.

In recent times, the prices I’ve seen for LHR have been closer to 4K on our coroporate travel sites, both from BOS and JFK.
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Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:03 pm

tlecam wrote:
Interesting. We don’t have the ability to use anyone other than our approved travel agency. Having said that, I’ve never come across an itinerary that wasn’t available.

Right, neither do I. But I gave her the exact itinerary and flight numbers that I wanted her to book for me. In other words: I did her job and they still collected my company's fee. And then TA's wonder why they're going out of business.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:24 pm

airbazar wrote:
tlecam wrote:
Interesting. We don’t have the ability to use anyone other than our approved travel agency. Having said that, I’ve never come across an itinerary that wasn’t available.

Right, neither do I. But I gave her the exact itinerary and flight numbers that I wanted her to book for me. In other words: I did her job and they still collected my company's fee. And then TA's wonder why they're going out of business.


Ha, reminds me of something that happened to my dad many years ago. He used to work for the UK arm of Caterpillar, but had to use a US Travel Agency to book his travel. He tried to book to go from BHX to ORD (he could at the time)... but when he submitted the request his TA called and said could he go from LGW as it was $200 cheaper. Well anyone who knows the relative locations of BHX and LGW, knows it's basically the difference from booking your ticket from BOS and your TA says, well you could go from JFK? needless to say his answer was two words, first beginning with F and the second was No.
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Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:15 pm

I rarely have to call, fortunately. If I do it’s because it’s a multi country trip. Usually our TA’s are pretty good, but every once in awhile (usually late at night or on the weekend) I get someone who apparently never took geography or logic. I do not care how much money it saves to have a 14 hour layover if I do not, in fact, want to spend a day in that particular city.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:04 am

now here's one you don't see every day
https://airlineinfo.com/ostpdf103/340.pdf

filing for a code share on JL's BOS-NRT and on LA's BOS-GRU

fun if you want to fly NRT-BOS-GRU-BOS-NRT... wonder how many people might actually do it.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:35 am

VS4ever wrote:
now here's one you don't see every day
https://airlineinfo.com/ostpdf103/340.pdf

filing for a code share on JL's BOS-NRT and on LA's BOS-GRU

fun if you want to fly NRT-BOS-GRU-BOS-NRT... wonder how many people might actually do it.


NRT-BOS-GRU requires overnight connection and GRU-BOS-NRT is 5 hour+ layover.
Airlines flown: A3, AA, AC, AF, AM, BA, B6, CA, CO, CX, DL, EA, EL, IB, LH, MI, MQ, NH, NW, NZ, OU, PE, QF, S4, SQ, TP, UA, US, VS, WE, WN

2019: CX BOS-HKG, WE HKG-HKT, CA HKT-PEK-EWR, B6 EWR-BOS
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:54 pm

F9 has loaded BOS-MCO, starts 3x weekly April 19 and then goes daily in May

MCO-BOS Dep 9:35AM Arr 12:36PM
BOS-MCO Dep 1:30PM Arr 4:55PM

Looks like DEN will be the next add, would also solve the mystery as to why RNO comes up as an option when there's no good way to get there
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:15 pm

VS4ever wrote:
now here's one you don't see every day
https://airlineinfo.com/ostpdf103/340.pdf

filing for a code share on JL's BOS-NRT and on LA's BOS-GRU

fun if you want to fly NRT-BOS-GRU-BOS-NRT... wonder how many people might actually do it.


NRT-GRU is actually a significant market, albeit with a lot of competition. JL served GRU for decades via JFK (IIRC), until its Ch11 bk filing in 2010.
But for BOS to be a relevant connection between NRT and GRU either LA or JL would have to adjust their schedule. For now I think it's just about expanding the codeshare more than anything else.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:27 pm

A daytime BOS-DUB on EI would be useful. The 5:50 PM as it is now is horrible (landing at 4:50 AM local time... :yuck: ).
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:01 pm

aaflyer777 wrote:
F9 has loaded BOS-MCO, starts 3x weekly April 19 and then goes daily in May

MCO-BOS Dep 9:35AM Arr 12:36PM
BOS-MCO Dep 1:30PM Arr 4:55PM

Looks like DEN will be the next add, would also solve the mystery as to why RNO comes up as an option when there's no good way to get there


I wonder what terminal F9 will use? Gate space is getting tight. Maybe somewhere in B?
Airports: BOS, JAX, JFK, EWR, LGA, CVG, ATL, CLT, DCA, IAD, STT, PVD, ALB, MCO
Aircraft: 733, 735, 73G, 738, 752, 717, A319, A320, MD-88, E190, E175, E145, CRJ-200, CRJ-700, Q400
Airlines: B6, CO, DL, US, NW, WN, DH
...a good start but a long way to go!
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:16 pm

mikegigs wrote:
aaflyer777 wrote:
F9 has loaded BOS-MCO, starts 3x weekly April 19 and then goes daily in May

MCO-BOS Dep 9:35AM Arr 12:36PM
BOS-MCO Dep 1:30PM Arr 4:55PM

Looks like DEN will be the next add, would also solve the mystery as to why RNO comes up as an option when there's no good way to get there


I wonder what terminal F9 will use? Gate space is getting tight. Maybe somewhere in B?


There's plenty of space in E during the day :)

On a different note, TAP will be replacing the A332 with the A339/A333 for the Summer schedule.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... ce-in-s19/
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:37 pm

Just saw on emirates247 that BOS is getting the A380 seasonally. It's not loaded into any of the booking engines yet though

"Emirates’ customers travelling to Boston will be able to experience the world’s largest commercial aircraft famed for its Onboard Lounge accessible to First and Business Class passengers as well as the Onboard Shower Spas for First Class customers.
Emirates’ A380 will operate to Boston between 01 June and 30 September 2019 and between 01 December 2019 and 31 January 2020 to accommodate the increased seasonal demand in travel to the US East Coast."
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:39 pm

kq747 wrote:
Just saw on emirates247 that BOS is getting the A380 seasonally. It's not loaded into any of the booking engines yet though

"Emirates’ customers travelling to Boston will be able to experience the world’s largest commercial aircraft famed for its Onboard Lounge accessible to First and Business Class passengers as well as the Onboard Shower Spas for First Class customers.
Emirates’ A380 will operate to Boston between 01 June and 30 September 2019 and between 01 December 2019 and 31 January 2020 to accommodate the increased seasonal demand in travel to the US East Coast."


Here’s the link:

https://www.emirates247.com/business/co ... PageLayout

The summer I get, but the Winter is confusing given the supposed issues with de icing etc. however I’ll take it. Will be good to see 2 380’s on the ground at BOS.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:21 pm

VS4ever wrote:
kq747 wrote:
Just saw on emirates247 that BOS is getting the A380 seasonally. It's not loaded into any of the booking engines yet though

"Emirates’ customers travelling to Boston will be able to experience the world’s largest commercial aircraft famed for its Onboard Lounge accessible to First and Business Class passengers as well as the Onboard Shower Spas for First Class customers.
Emirates’ A380 will operate to Boston between 01 June and 30 September 2019 and between 01 December 2019 and 31 January 2020 to accommodate the increased seasonal demand in travel to the US East Coast."


Here’s the link:

https://www.emirates247.com/business/co ... PageLayout

The summer I get, but the Winter is confusing given the supposed issues with de icing etc. however I’ll take it. Will be good to see 2 380’s on the ground at BOS.



Been hearing a lot about this, just never posted because "EK A380 to BOS!" has been the rumor so many times.

Also the 380 deicing question is solved. There's a company capable of doing it. Beautiful trucks, only problem is wind limits, considering usually when there's snow there's wind. But that's always been a problem for deicing
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:25 pm

kq747 wrote:
Just saw on emirates247 that BOS is getting the A380 seasonally.


Well this will generate a lot of excitement here. I'm glad to see it and it makes sense considering EK's LFs. And maybe the couple of winter months will enable BOS to figure out how to service the A380 year-round, paving the way for even more whale watching. Good stuff!
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:30 pm

FGITD wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
kq747 wrote:
Just saw on emirates247 that BOS is getting the A380 seasonally. It's not loaded into any of the booking engines yet though

"Emirates’ customers travelling to Boston will be able to experience the world’s largest commercial aircraft famed for its Onboard Lounge accessible to First and Business Class passengers as well as the Onboard Shower Spas for First Class customers.
Emirates’ A380 will operate to Boston between 01 June and 30 September 2019 and between 01 December 2019 and 31 January 2020 to accommodate the increased seasonal demand in travel to the US East Coast."


Here’s the link:

https://www.emirates247.com/business/co ... PageLayout

The summer I get, but the Winter is confusing given the supposed issues with de icing etc. however I’ll take it. Will be good to see 2 380’s on the ground at BOS.



Been hearing a lot about this, just never posted because "EK A380 to BOS!" has been the rumor so many times.

Also the 380 deicing question is solved. There's a company capable of doing it. Beautiful trucks, only problem is wind limits, considering usually when there's snow there's wind. But that's always been a problem for deicing

Excellent news, maybe in 2020 they will go year round if it works out.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:21 pm

VS4ever wrote:
FGITD wrote:
VS4ever wrote:

Here’s the link:

https://www.emirates247.com/business/co ... PageLayout

The summer I get, but the Winter is confusing given the supposed issues with de icing etc. however I’ll take it. Will be good to see 2 380’s on the ground at BOS.



Been hearing a lot about this, just never posted because "EK A380 to BOS!" has been the rumor so many times.

Also the 380 deicing question is solved. There's a company capable of doing it. Beautiful trucks, only problem is wind limits, considering usually when there's snow there's wind. But that's always been a problem for deicing

Excellent news, maybe in 2020 they will go year round if it works out.


Makes me wonder if the entire airfield is capable of handling an a380 in the winter, assuming snowbanks etc (remember, contrary to this year, it should usually snow here)

after all, there was that LH 744 that devoured a snowbank a few years ago...
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:48 pm

FGITD wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
kq747 wrote:
Just saw on emirates247 that BOS is getting the A380 seasonally. It's not loaded into any of the booking engines yet though

"Emirates’ customers travelling to Boston will be able to experience the world’s largest commercial aircraft famed for its Onboard Lounge accessible to First and Business Class passengers as well as the Onboard Shower Spas for First Class customers.
Emirates’ A380 will operate to Boston between 01 June and 30 September 2019 and between 01 December 2019 and 31 January 2020 to accommodate the increased seasonal demand in travel to the US East Coast."


Here’s the link:

https://www.emirates247.com/business/co ... PageLayout

The summer I get, but the Winter is confusing given the supposed issues with de icing etc. however I’ll take it. Will be good to see 2 380’s on the ground at BOS.



Been hearing a lot about this, just never posted because "EK A380 to BOS!" has been the rumor so many times.


Also the 380 deicing question is solved. There's a company capable of doing it. Beautiful trucks, only problem is wind limits, considering usually when there's snow there's wind. But that's always been a problem for deicing


Out of curiosity, EK flew a 380 proving flight in January 2017. What were the contingency plans if it snowed or became icy?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:59 pm

Great news about the EK A380. So who ended up budging EK or Massport? Is EK towing the whale to the hardstand or are they keeping it at the gate?
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:21 pm

I'd guess EK budged. That trial proved that the beast doesn't turn into a pumpkin or evaporate into thin air once towed from its gate.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:21 pm

NickolayAv wrote:
Great news about the EK A380. So who ended up budging EK or Massport? Is EK towing the whale to the hardstand or are they keeping it at the gate?


I think EK has wisely looked into adjusting schedules and gauge of aircraft based on seasonality based on their statement on A380 service in BOS. I'd prefer to see seasonal double-daily instead of the whale personally.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:24 pm

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Great news about the EK A380. So who ended up budging EK or Massport? Is EK towing the whale to the hardstand or are they keeping it at the gate?


No inside track on this, but I'm going to guess EK will tow. Trying to strongarm or push massport to your benefit is like trying to scam a casino. The house always wins.

Generally massport will do everything in their power to minimize tows and get every airline what they want, but there is no room for telling massport what you want
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:29 pm

Have to imagine they'll tow it. They tow the 77W now as aircraft is on the ground for 8+ hours so makes no sense to occupy a gate for that long
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:17 pm

Just saw on twitter DELTA's First A220 will be making it's first visit to Boston tomorrow 1/13 ahead of it's first commercial flight later this month.

Flight info: N101DU the flight is filed for arrival at 8:49am on Sunday January 13th. flight# DL9964
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:23 pm

jworks158 wrote:
Just saw on twitter DELTA's First A220 will be making it's first visit to Boston tomorrow 1/13 ahead of it's first commercial flight later this month.

Flight info: N101DU the flight is filed for arrival at 8:49am on Sunday January 13th. flight# DL9964


9964, that's a test flight to make sure it works with everything by the looks of things. I hope some of the local spotters catch it, going to be rather cold to be out there waiting. I wonder if Massport will do any kind of celebration for it (Water Cannon, albeit, that might be dangerous due to the temps)

BTW, unrelated, did anyone see or hear Massport celebrate 40m pax, they were supposed to get it around 12/21, but never saw anything posted.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:39 am

Will DL add BOS-DFW anytime soon? If they did, would they need a mainline plane for it?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:46 am

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Will DL add BOS-DFW anytime soon? If they did, would they need a mainline plane for it?


DL runs JFK-DFW with CRJ900s and E-175s so it might be possible to use regional jets on BOS-DFW. That being said 4.5 hours on a CRJ900 sounds like hell.

Luckily at 1,562 mi BOS-DFW is just outside of the range of a CRJ, but still within an ejet's range.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:00 am

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Will DL add BOS-DFW anytime soon? If they did, would they need a mainline plane for it?


DL actually used to serve DFW nonstop from BOS back when DL had a hub at DFW. DFW is also within the range of E-175 regional jets, and DL even currently the SEA-MKE nonstop route (which is longer than the BOS-DFW nonstop route) on E-175 regional jets.

I think that DL bringing back BOS-DFW nonstop service might happen soon since (a) DL has been recently adding nonstop routes out of BOS that are in competition with existing B6 nonstop routes out of BOS, (b) B6 already serves DFW nonstop from BOS, and (c) DFW is one of the top domestic destinations traveled to out of BOS that isn't currently served nonstop out of BOS on DL.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:11 am

A nice little story I felt compelled to share...

Heard/witnessed today that despite the shutdown, TSA staffing at terminal E has been pretty much normal. Apparently the airline tenants (all of whom are internationally based) are taking turns buying the TSA staff dinner every night.

Just thought it was a nice little anecdote, despite all the competition, that all the airlines can coordinate to feed those people.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:47 am

FGITD wrote:
A nice little story I felt compelled to share...

Heard/witnessed today that despite the shutdown, TSA staffing at terminal E has been pretty much normal. Apparently the airline tenants (all of whom are internationally based) are taking turns buying the TSA staff dinner every night.

Just thought it was a nice little anecdote, despite all the competition, that all the airlines can coordinate to feed those people.


Very good to hear.
Additionally, why does Massport not have their own security personnel instead of the TSA? I believe this is OK as long as the 3rd party is accredited.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:16 am

FGITD wrote:
NickolayAv wrote:
Great news about the EK A380. So who ended up budging EK or Massport? Is EK towing the whale to the hardstand or are they keeping it at the gate?


No inside track on this, but I'm going to guess EK will tow. Trying to strongarm or push massport to your benefit is like trying to scam a casino. The house always wins.

Generally massport will do everything in their power to minimize tows and get every airline what they want, but there is no room for telling massport what you want


FGITD - I have to ask as you've posted previously that BOS will be seeing some interesting equipment changes and new carriers coming in 2019....have you known about this for a while and kept us all in suspense :D
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:19 pm

VS4ever wrote:
jworks158 wrote:
Just saw on twitter DELTA's First A220 will be making it's first visit to Boston tomorrow 1/13 ahead of it's first commercial flight later this month.

Flight info: N101DU the flight is filed for arrival at 8:49am on Sunday January 13th. flight# DL9964


9964, that's a test flight to make sure it works with everything by the looks of things. I hope some of the local spotters catch it, going to be rather cold to be out there waiting. I wonder if Massport will do any kind of celebration for it (Water Cannon, albeit, that might be dangerous due to the temps)

BTW, unrelated, did anyone see or hear Massport celebrate 40m pax, they were supposed to get it around 12/21, but never saw anything posted.


It is scheduled to fly back to ATL tomorrow as DL9961. I notified a few local spotters, and believe 1 if not 2 were going to try and get a picture of it. https://twitter.com/theOrangetechie/sta ... 1379542016

By the way I forgot to give credit for the tip https://twitter.com/ShaquilleAKhan/stat ... 5541176320
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:20 pm

jworks158 wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
jworks158 wrote:
Just saw on twitter DELTA's First A220 will be making it's first visit to Boston tomorrow 1/13 ahead of it's first commercial flight later this month.

Flight info: N101DU the flight is filed for arrival at 8:49am on Sunday January 13th. flight# DL9964


9964, that's a test flight to make sure it works with everything by the looks of things. I hope some of the local spotters catch it, going to be rather cold to be out there waiting. I wonder if Massport will do any kind of celebration for it (Water Cannon, albeit, that might be dangerous due to the temps)


It is scheduled to fly back to ATL tomorrow as DL9961. I notified a few local spotters, and believe 1 if not 2 were going to try and get a picture of it. https://twitter.com/theOrangetechie/sta ... 1379542016

By the way I forgot to give credit for the tip https://twitter.com/ShaquilleAKhan/stat ... 5541176320
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:27 pm

In other news [url]jettip.net[/url] sent me an alert saying that LH would be sending a 744 today on the FRA-BOS route. After further investigation on flightradar24 it appears for the foreseeable future (next 7 flights) that the route will be operated using a 744.

Also it appears they are operating the route on a non-daily basis as they did last winter.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:36 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:

FGITD - I have to ask as you've posted previously that BOS will be seeing some interesting equipment changes and new carriers coming in 2019....have you known about this for a while and kept us all in suspense :D


I didn't fully know, as it wasn't completely confirmed, but EK 380 to BOS has been one of the more prominent rumors of the last few months, just as it was last year.

There were a few other equipment changes that I now know were definitely false.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:47 pm

It will be interesting to see whether EK has ‘bargain pricing’ on BOS-DXB once they start moving more seats though here. It bodes well for the route if they don’t need to resort to that.
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