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Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:14 am

Please continue from last year's discussion.

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Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:36 am

Did ORD beat ATL for 2018 aircraft movements? Anyone have the Numbers? Or projected?
 
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Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:38 am

TheKennady2 wrote:
Did ORD beat ATL for 2018 aircraft movements? Anyone have the Numbers? Or projected?

Probably won’t find out til 2nd or 3rd week of Jan is my guess. I think DoA has historically released the previous month’s data in the 2nd week of the following month. Not sure how frequent ATL reports data.
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Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:23 am

Happy New Year!

Learned a ton of new stuff in last year's thread, and looking forward to the thread this year, and in the years to come, as the city continues on the O'hare 21 project.

On a funny note, the Patch ran an article about the craziest thing TSA found last year at ORD.

https://patch.com/illinois/chicago/craz ... ohare-2018

In regards to GSPtoCHI's link from the previous thread, I'm a little lost as to what the two changes to T5 are.

'Huffman said the airport is also planning two new changes for Terminal 5, also known as the International Terminal, this spring.One change will be the addition of a new checkpoint, where passengers go through security clearance. This will increase the number of checkpoints to eight."

The article doesn't note the second change: does anyone know what the author is referring to?

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loc ... story.html
 
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:05 am

Just passed through O’Hare on January first. In UA’s C concourse some gate areas are closed for renovations. The pictures show extensions/modernization of the gate area, and has 787’s parked on it. Are these modifications allowing 787’s to park at T1 now or is it just UA marketing? Does anyone have any more information on these modernizations?

Also, I had to take a shuttle out to the Hyatt place hotel (that is where my car was parked), and the shuttle area is worn down, dim, and honestly depressing. Is a fresh new/modernized shuttle terminal part of O’Hare 21?
 
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:12 am

planespotter20 wrote:
Just passed through O’Hare on January first. In UA’s C concourse some gate areas are closed for renovations. The pictures show extensions/modernization of the gate area, and has 787’s parked on it. Are these modifications allowing 787’s to park at T1 now or is it just UA marketing? Does anyone have any more information on these modernizations?

Also, I had to take a shuttle out to the Hyatt place hotel (that is where my car was parked), and the shuttle area is worn down, dim, and honestly depressing. Is a fresh new/modernized shuttle terminal part of O’Hare 21?


Actually the brand new, shiny shuttle terminal is finished and will be open this fall as part of the multimodal center. The rental car part is already open.
 
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:22 am

planespotter20 wrote:
Just passed through O’Hare on January first. In UA’s C concourse some gate areas are closed for renovations. The pictures show extensions/modernization of the gate area, and has 787’s parked on it. Are these modifications allowing 787’s to park at T1 now or is it just UA marketing? Does anyone have any more information on these modernizations?


I noticed that as well yesterday: the signage said something to the effect to 'pardon the dust while [we] renovate' ... I'm paraphrasing but I think that was the gist. I'm thinking it's possibly gate area renovations/updates, irrespective of the 787s.

On another note, the CDA has granted me my wish and continues to publish the Fly Chicago newsletter. The winter 2018 edition was published with link below and a good synopsis of 2018 - almost 50 new routes added and 9% y-o-y increase in international pax!

Also interesting is an article about CDA community outreach events, so it sounds like the city is aiming to be engaged with citizens during O'hare 21 and beyond. Glad to see this newsletter is still being published.

https://indd.adobe.com/view/5f39433e-e7 ... 4ecf8005a1
 
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:25 am

Does anyone know if ORD will get service to TLV soon? if they do I hope it is UA/AA, not LY
 
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:16 am

ORDfan wrote:

On another note, the CDA has granted me my wish and continues to publish the Fly Chicago newsletter. The winter 2018 edition was published with link below and a good synopsis of 2018 - almost 50 new routes added and 9% y-o-y increase in international pax!

Also interesting is an article about CDA community outreach events, so it sounds like the city is aiming to be engaged with citizens during O'hare 21 and beyond. Glad to see this newsletter is still being published.

https://indd.adobe.com/view/5f39433e-e7 ... 4ecf8005a1


Thanks for sharing that! What stands out in that newsletter is that the CDA will focus on connecting to underserved areas throughout the world with an incentive program? Is the city going to offer breaks/money to airlines to fly to areas underserved(whatever that means)? I’m sure the Chicago taxpayers will just love that to pieces.
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:15 am

ORDfan wrote:
Happy New Year!

Learned a ton of new stuff in last year's thread, and looking forward to the thread this year, and in the years to come, as the city continues on the O'hare 21 project.

On a funny note, the Patch ran an article about the craziest thing TSA found last year at ORD.

https://patch.com/illinois/chicago/craz ... ohare-2018

In regards to GSPtoCHI's link from the previous thread, I'm a little lost as to what the two changes to T5 are.

'Huffman said the airport is also planning two new changes for Terminal 5, also known as the International Terminal, this spring.One change will be the addition of a new checkpoint, where passengers go through security clearance. This will increase the number of checkpoints to eight."

The article doesn't note the second change: does anyone know what the author is referring to?

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loc ... story.html

That’s a good read. I know I’m old but I wonder if anyone remembers the old Airport Journal. It was published early 80s to the 90s. I used to have a ton of them.
 
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Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:48 pm

kordcj wrote:
TheKennady2 wrote:
Did ORD beat ATL for 2018 aircraft movements? Anyone have the Numbers? Or projected?

Probably won’t find out til 2nd or 3rd week of Jan is my guess. I think DoA has historically released the previous month’s data in the 2nd week of the following month. Not sure how frequent ATL reports data.



rumor is ORD will be World Busiest Airport...... will see about that.
 
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:03 pm

planespotter20 wrote:
Just passed through O’Hare on January first. In UA’s C concourse some gate areas are closed for renovations. The pictures show extensions/modernization of the gate area, and has 787’s parked on it. Are these modifications allowing 787’s to park at T1 now or is it just UA marketing?


I don't think the renovations could give them additional wing space for 787s unless there is something they can do now that 15/33 is closed...
 
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Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:39 pm

Any idea on how well Ethiopian and Air New Zealand are doing at ORD?
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Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:29 pm

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Any idea on how well Ethiopian and Air New Zealand are doing at ORD?


Might be too early to know but I would love to hear about Avianca on the BOG flight also...
 
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Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:33 pm

Any guesses on where SY will be since they just announced ORD-MSP service? T3-L or T5? My guess would be T5, although F9's move to T5 does open up check-in space in T3 and just one flight a day should be easy enough to jam into the L gates.
 
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Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:14 pm

drdisque wrote:
Any guesses on where SY will be since they just announced ORD-MSP service? T3-L or T5? My guess would be T5, although F9's move to T5 does open up check-in space in T3 and just one flight a day should be easy enough to jam into the L gates.

Just so everyone knows
Sun Country will begin 1 flight a day between ORD-MSP
Flights begin 4/19 with 4 a week then move to daily on 5/27.
Haven’t checked to see the flight times yet.
Nice to see another airline at ORD.
 
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Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:15 pm

I also saw that perusing through the skeds that AS will add a second RT to PDX this summer but will use a E175.
Another long flight for the 175.
 
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Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:21 pm

drdisque wrote:
Any guesses on where SY will be since they just announced ORD-MSP service? T3-L or T5? My guess would be T5, although F9's move to T5 does open up check-in space in T3 and just one flight a day should be easy enough to jam into the L gates.



Unless there’s a voluntary accommodation by one of the preferential carriers within the core area, they’ll be located on common use gates at T5.

There’s no common use gates within the core area at this time.
 
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Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:38 pm

Glad to see Sun Country (SY) coming to ORD. I feel like it is long overdue.
 
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Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:38 pm

Is NK the preferential carrier for their gates on L or do they sub-lease from AA? Same question for B6. Do any AS flights still use L?

Is Air Choice One the preferential carrier for L10B or is it truly common use? Does NK or anybody else still use L11 as a ground board gate or was it converted into something else?
 
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Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:31 pm

I wonder why SY would try ORD now. They did MDW for a while which seems much better suited to their model.
 
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Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:44 pm

drdisque wrote:
Is NK the preferential carrier for their gates on L or do they sub-lease from AA? Same question for B6. Do any AS flights still use L?

Is Air Choice One the preferential carrier for L10B or is it truly common use? Does NK or anybody else still use L11 as a ground board gate or was it converted into something else?


I’ll answer this way.

1. Yes - L5-L11
2. No
3. Yes - L2a
4. Yes - L1-L3
5. EAS area is common use. They share with Cape Air.
6. L11 is NK preferential gate.

Eventually with the gate swap I believe B6 picks up G2 and AS picks up G4 and G6. AA picks up L2a, L1 and L3.
 
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Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:19 pm

Just curious, why is AA giving up space in G? Is the space in L better?
 
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:38 am

Planeboy17 wrote:
drdisque wrote:
Sun Country will begin 1 flight a day between ORD-MSP
Flights begin 4/19 with 4 a week then move to daily on 5/27.
Haven’t checked to see the flight times yet.
Nice to see another airline at ORD.


SY departs 2:55pm arr ORD 4:25pm
return departs 5:25pm arrives 6:55pm

Sun Country is charging $109 one-way whereas both AA & UA are priced at $130 with DL at $150, again, one way.
 
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:06 am

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Does anyone know if ORD will get service to TLV soon? if they do I hope it is UA/AA, not LY


You'd actually prefer UA/AA service than LY? Hmm, that's a curious position - it's been my experience that TATL foreign flag service in all classes is universally better than UA/AA. And I say that as a UA FF....

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Glad to see Sun Country (SY) coming to ORD. I feel like it is long overdue.


Happy to see another tail too, but interestingly enough, this USA Today article says they've been to O'hare before. Are they wrong and thinking about MDW, as Chicawgo notes?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/f ... 512134002/

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That’s a good read. I know I’m old but I wonder if anyone remembers the old Airport Journal. It was published early 80s to the 90s. I used to have a ton of them.
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I do remember the old Airport Journal as well! I used to love to get those on trips to the airport, back when they had them at the information kiosks. If you had some old copies I'd offer to buy them! I think I have a copy in the attic, from 1998 or so. Not sure when they went out of print, but I think it was not too long after that....? In any case, ya I'm glad we have the modern PDF incarnation in the Fly Chicago newsletter.
 
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:37 am

ORDfan wrote:
ORDfan101 wrote:
Does anyone know if ORD will get service to TLV soon? if they do I hope it is UA/AA, not LY


You'd actually prefer UA/AA service than LY? Hmm, that's a curious position - it's been my experience that TATL foreign flag service in all classes is universally better than UA/AA. And I say that as a UA FF....

United787 wrote:
Glad to see Sun Country (SY) coming to ORD. I feel like it is long overdue.


Happy to see another tail too, but interestingly enough, this USA Today article says they've been to O'hare before. Are they wrong and thinking about MDW, as Chicawgo notes?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/f ... 512134002/

Planeboy17 wrote:
That’s a good read. I know I’m old but I wonder if anyone remembers the old Airport Journal. It was published early 80s to the 90s. I used to have a ton of them.
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I do remember the old Airport Journal as well! I used to love to get those on trips to the airport, back when they had them at the information kiosks. If you had some old copies I'd offer to buy them! I think I have a copy in the attic, from 1998 or so. Not sure when they went out of print, but I think it was not too long after that....? In any case, ya I'm glad we have the modern PDF incarnation in the Fly Chicago newsletter.


When ORD gets TLV service it will be on LY on a 788.

AA has no plans on going back to TLV and UA could give a s—t about ORD international service. Let alliance partners handle it (which is great for tail chasers, but not UA employees).
 
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:10 am

ORDfan wrote:
ORDfan101 wrote:
Does anyone know if ORD will get service to TLV soon? if they do I hope it is UA/AA, not LY


You'd actually prefer UA/AA service than LY? Hmm, that's a curious position - it's been my experience that TATL foreign flag service in all classes is universally better than UA/AA. And I say that as a UA FF....

United787 wrote:
Glad to see Sun Country (SY) coming to ORD. I feel like it is long overdue.


Happy to see another tail too, but interestingly enough, this USA Today article says they've been to O'hare before. Are they wrong and thinking about MDW, as Chicawgo notes?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/f ... 512134002/

Planeboy17 wrote:
That’s a good read. I know I’m old but I wonder if anyone remembers the old Airport Journal. It was published early 80s to the 90s. I used to have a ton of them.
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I do remember the old Airport Journal as well! I used to love to get those on trips to the airport, back when they had them at the information kiosks. If you had some old copies I'd offer to buy them! I think I have a copy in the attic, from 1998 or so. Not sure when they went out of print, but I think it was not too long after that....? In any case, ya I'm glad we have the modern PDF incarnation in the Fly Chicago newsletter.

Sun Country flew into ORD in the 1990s with 727s and DC10s. The article is correct.
 
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:24 am

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Did ORD beat ATL for 2018 aircraft movements? Anyone have the Numbers? Or projected?



Yes. For this year.
 
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Mexicana757 wrote:
ORDfan wrote:
ORDfan101 wrote:
Does anyone know if ORD will get service to TLV soon? if they do I hope it is UA/AA, not LY


You'd actually prefer UA/AA service than LY? Hmm, that's a curious position - it's been my experience that TATL foreign flag service in all classes is universally better than UA/AA. And I say that as a UA FF....

United787 wrote:
Glad to see Sun Country (SY) coming to ORD. I feel like it is long overdue.


Happy to see another tail too, but interestingly enough, this USA Today article says they've been to O'hare before. Are they wrong and thinking about MDW, as Chicawgo notes?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/f ... 512134002/

Planeboy17 wrote:
That’s a good read. I know I’m old but I wonder if anyone remembers the old Airport Journal. It was published early 80s to the 90s. I used to have a ton of them.
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I do remember the old Airport Journal as well! I used to love to get those on trips to the airport, back when they had them at the information kiosks. If you had some old copies I'd offer to buy them! I think I have a copy in the attic, from 1998 or so. Not sure when they went out of print, but I think it was not too long after that....? In any case, ya I'm glad we have the modern PDF incarnation in the Fly Chicago newsletter.

Sun Country flew into ORD in the 1990s with 727s and DC10s. The article is correct.

Yes, they used to run charters to the Caribbean and Vegas but they also tried scheduled MSP service around late 90s into the 2000s. They used T5 and I don’t think it lasted very long. It was 727 service if I remember correctly.
 
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ORD and MDW is where youll find Me!
 
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Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:19 am

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So Icelandair isn't the only carrier packing fish!
(LATAM ships roughly 700 tons of Salmon per week from Chile to Asia, and this is predicted to be a important component of this flight's cargo- see link above)

Starting Feb 19
 
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Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:32 am

First O'Hare Air Europa photo in the Airliners database:

 
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Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:04 am

Mexicana757 wrote:
Sun Country flew into ORD in the 1990s with 727s and DC10s. The article is correct.


Planeboy17 wrote:
Yes, they used to run charters to the Caribbean and Vegas but they also tried scheduled MSP service around late 90s into the 2000s. They used T5 and I don’t think it lasted very long. It was 727 service if I remember correctly.


Very interesting, thanks. Did not know that they were here that long ago. Quite honestly, I didn't really know about SY until a few years ago until seeing them at MSP, and I literally had to google them. Don't think they're a fit for me, but I wish them luck here the 2nd or 3rd time around.

yeogeo wrote:
So Icelandair isn't the only carrier packing fish!
(LATAM ships roughly 700 tons of Salmon per week from Chile to Asia, and this is predicted to be a important component of this flight's cargo- see link above)


It's funny, Chicago (and Chicagoans) enjoy some of the best variety of fresh fish in the country, thanks to all the cargo flights from the coasts and ANC, on top of the local fresh water stuff. I'm glad to hear that about LATAM and Icelandair too!
 
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First O'Hare Air Europa photo in the Airliners database:



What was the deal with this one, again? Did LOT lease this bird for the summer or was it a charter or something?
 
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ORDfan wrote:
yeogeo wrote:
First O'Hare Air Europa photo in the Airliners database:



What was the deal with this one, again? Did LOT lease this bird for the summer or was it a charter or something?


In August and September of last year this aircraft was flying for LOT on its BUD-ORD and BUD-JFK flights.
 
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In August and September of last year this aircraft was flying for LOT on its BUD-ORD and BUD-JFK flights.


Ah okay, that's right... I know about the BUD flights, but forgot that they leased some metal for it.

I wonder if LO will have to bring back the A330 again this year? I'm thinking not, since they are scheduled to get a few more 789 this year, so should free up a 788 to keep on the BUD run.
 
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I wonder if LO will have to bring back the A330 again this year? I'm thinking not, since they are scheduled to get a few more 789 this year, so should free up a 788 to keep on the BUD run.


We'll have to wait and see...Can't help but get the impression that the Budapest flights are the black sheep in the LOT family; it's a re-occurring subject in the LOT threads since the flights' inception last year.

Starting with post #10 you'll read that there's been some recent cancellations of the ORD and JFK flights this winter and further on a report of leasing an Air Italy A-330 through January.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1411855&p=20974881&hilit=Polish#p20974881

Hopefully the situation settles down with the 789 arrivals, as you say, but it's clear that in a pinch, the BUD flights are the ones that get subbed out.
 
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Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:54 am

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Who cares about Cargo service? JK, maybe LATAM can explore ORD passenger service if cargo goes well. LIM-ORD could work.
 
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yeogeo wrote:
ORDfan wrote:
I wonder if LO will have to bring back the A330 again this year? I'm thinking not, since they are scheduled to get a few more 789 this year, so should free up a 788 to keep on the BUD run.


We'll have to wait and see...Can't help but get the impression that the Budapest flights are the black sheep in the LOT family; it's a re-occurring subject in the LOT threads since the flights' inception last year.

Starting with post #10 you'll read that there's been some recent cancellations of the ORD and JFK flights this winter and further on a report of leasing an Air Italy A-330 through January.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1411855&p=20974881&hilit=Polish#p20974881

Hopefully the situation settles down with the 789 arrivals, as you say, but it's clear that in a pinch, the BUD flights are the ones that get subbed out.



I’m not sure how much longer BUD will last, LOT announced additional 3rd flight KRK to ORD for the summer months June thru September, all 3 flights will be on 787-9. LOT was pushing connections from KRK thru BUD, and with the 2 KRK flights people could have additional 2 weekly flights not including the WAW connections. Yet people want non stop flights, and flights from BUD to ORD are not performing that well.
 
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Galvan316 wrote:


Who cares about Cargo service?


:confused:
The airport cares, having recently committed millions in additional cargo facilities (whose investment is clearly paying off, this flight being only the latest example of that stratagy's success), the city certainly cares, I dare say hundreds of employees at O'Hare, cargo companies, & shippers care.... and finally many from this board care, whether its simply due to seeing another tail on the field or because it adds to the amazing feat of being the worlds busiest airport by movements or they feel like me; that cargo is just as cool as pax. :old:
 
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SRQLOT wrote:
I’m not sure how much longer BUD will last, LOT announced additional 3rd flight KRK to ORD for the summer months June thru September, all 3 flights will be on 787-9. LOT was pushing connections from KRK thru BUD, and with the 2 KRK flights people could have additional 2 weekly flights not including the WAW connections. Yet people want non stop flights, and flights from BUD to ORD are not performing that well.


I know... you've got to wonder if this lasts. I remember when it was launched - that it was a matter of great civic pride on the Hungarian side, but I suspect that that alone won't carry it on if loads don't hold up.
 
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:09 am

yeogeo wrote:
TheKennady2 wrote:
Galvan316 wrote:


Who cares about Cargo service?


:confused:
The airport cares, having recently committed millions in additional cargo facilities (whose investment is clearly paying off, this flight being only the latest example of that stratagy's success), the city certainly cares, I dare say hundreds of employees at O'Hare, cargo companies, & shippers care.... and finally many from this board care, whether its simply due to seeing another tail on the field or because it adds to the amazing feat of being the worlds busiest airport by movements or they feel like me; that cargo is just as cool as pax. :old:


Of course. My comment was a joke
 
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:32 am

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yeogeo wrote:
TheKennady2 wrote:

Who cares about Cargo service?


:confused:
The airport cares, having recently committed millions in additional cargo facilities (whose investment is clearly paying off, this flight being only the latest example of that stratagy's success), the city certainly cares, I dare say hundreds of employees at O'Hare, cargo companies, & shippers care.... and finally many from this board care, whether its simply due to seeing another tail on the field or because it adds to the amazing feat of being the worlds busiest airport by movements or they feel like me; that cargo is just as cool as pax. :old:


Of course. My comment was a joke


Notice how LatAm talks about the connections to Asia via ORD?

AA realized this and has turned DFW into a mega South America to Asia via DFW scissors hub.

NRT-ORD-GRU is within 100 miles of NRT-GRU direct. AA realized the potential via DFW (actually a few miles further). UA is just SFO and EWR focused that they fail to realize ORDs potential.

The DTW fan boys realize the potential of DTWs location for this (but much less O&D - especially Premium).
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:43 pm

nomorerjs wrote:
Notice how LatAm talks about the connections to Asia via ORD? AA realized this and has turned DFW into a mega South America to Asia via DFW scissors hub. NRT-ORD-GRU is within 100 miles of NRT-GRU direct. AA realized the potential via DFW (actually a few miles further). UA is just SFO and EWR focused that they fail to realize ORDs potential.


Perhaps UA's "failure" is the current lack of adequate facilities for a major expansion and/or a function of the changes UA sees coming to the airport in the near and medium term. In other words, they're putting off any major international additions until the construction is complete?

Also, would they have the fleet to do this at this moment in time? The coming A-350's might align with this vision of yours, but they're years off as well aren't they?

Seems to me there's more reasons for UA not to expand internationally at O'Hare at this moment, than reasons for. But what do I know.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:12 pm

nomorerjs wrote:
TheKennady2 wrote:
yeogeo wrote:

:confused:
The airport cares, having recently committed millions in additional cargo facilities (whose investment is clearly paying off, this flight being only the latest example of that stratagy's success), the city certainly cares, I dare say hundreds of employees at O'Hare, cargo companies, & shippers care.... and finally many from this board care, whether its simply due to seeing another tail on the field or because it adds to the amazing feat of being the worlds busiest airport by movements or they feel like me; that cargo is just as cool as pax. :old:


Of course. My comment was a joke


Notice how LatAm talks about the connections to Asia via ORD?

AA realized this and has turned DFW into a mega South America to Asia via DFW scissors hub.

NRT-ORD-GRU is within 100 miles of NRT-GRU direct. AA realized the potential via DFW (actually a few miles further). UA is just SFO and EWR focused that they fail to realize ORDs potential.

The DTW fan boys realize the potential of DTWs location for this (but much less O&D - especially Premium).


If UA does develop ORD into a secondary/3rd Latam/East Asia gateway, i could see routes like LIM and EZE possible being able to work from ORD, EWR and IAH may already cover this demand but i am not sure how UA times thier LATAM flighs in relation to thier Asian ones out of EWR and IAH still has no PVG, HKG, ICN(niether does EWR).
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:02 am

The Chicago Sun-Times has a look-back on the most notable runway incursions of 2018 at both O'Hare and Midway. Luckily there were no injuries or fatalities involved.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/ohare ... epartment/

Most notably, a China Southern triple seven freighter back in September managed to cross into the path of an aircraft taking off from 9R.

Midway's most notable incursion involved a city electrician who was blamed for driving a city vehicle onto a runway in May as a “short cut”. He had his airfield driving privileges revoked, but did not lose his job in spite of being involved in another runway incursion in 2016, "when he entered and exited an active runway four times." Man, those city jobs are bulletproof.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:29 pm

SRQLOT wrote:
I’m not sure how much longer BUD will last, LOT announced additional 3rd flight KRK to ORD for the summer months June thru September, all 3 flights will be on 787-9. LOT was pushing connections from KRK thru BUD, and with the 2 KRK flights people could have additional 2 weekly flights not including the WAW connections. Yet people want non stop flights, and flights from BUD to ORD are not performing that well.


yeogeo wrote:
I know... you've got to wonder if this lasts. I remember when it was launched - that it was a matter of great civic pride on the Hungarian side, but I suspect that that alone won't carry it on if loads don't hold up.


Ya I hear you guys... I've kinda been thinking the same thing. Honestly, it was kind of a curious route for me, even when it was first announced. I was happy to see LOT give it a try, and its cool be able to say ORD has nonstops to BUD, but I knew it would be a long shot for viable success. Actually I was surprised it was weekly, year-round.

Happy to hear about the KRK flights though and the 789s coming.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:37 pm

AA adding 2x daily to Joplin, MO from ORD starting June 6. It already serves JLN from DFW.

According to the article, sounds like the goal is to drive international feeds, which is good: "AA said it wants Joplin residents to be able to seamlessly connect to the carrier’s expanding international routes out of Chicago." BUT have a little bit of skepticism on my part since we all know AA ORD long-haul is a shadow of it's former self, but maybe this helps to eventually bring back more year-round international service.

https://www.bizjournals.com/chicago/new ... route.html
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:36 pm

I always wonder why AA doesn't/didn't push more connecting INTL traffic through ORD to fill Asia/Europe flights and instead cancel routes claiming low yields and demand. They push pax through DFW, LAX, and PHL for INTL to these flights with less local demand than Chicago has, except maybe LAX. Why do they now realize they can connect people through ORD Internationally? I doubt Joplin is going to make a difference on filling those Europe flights.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:27 am

JLN “International” connections via ORD are probably targeted to the recent Caribbean expansion and Canada. Europe is a possibility, but AA is seasonal at ORD except for LHR and CDG (for 50 weeks).

The smaller Midwest markets have been quite successful to DFW and ORD. This is one area where AA has done well against UA.
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