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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:41 pm

United787 wrote:
emcm541 wrote:
Reported earlier on the UA Fleet/Network thread and now on the UA Facebook:

United to open a 787 Dreamliner base at O'Hare in 2020

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/news/un ... ut-chicago
https://www.facebook.com/United/videos/343209273227001/


About time, I still haven't been on a 787, let alone a UA 787. :( Any guesses on the first destination?


No need to guess: BRU/FRA/MUC are all slated to start in May.
After those, FWIW, the thinking here sees PEK/PVG/HND/GRU ahead:
"UA starts 787 base at ORD" viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1430139
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:24 am

nomorerjs wrote:
ORDfan wrote:
ORDfan101 wrote:
Does anyone know if ORD will get service to TLV soon? if they do I hope it is UA/AA, not LY


You'd actually prefer UA/AA service than LY? Hmm, that's a curious position - it's been my experience that TATL foreign flag service in all classes is universally better than UA/AA. And I say that as a UA FF....

United787 wrote:
Glad to see Sun Country (SY) coming to ORD. I feel like it is long overdue.


Happy to see another tail too, but interestingly enough, this USA Today article says they've been to O'hare before. Are they wrong and thinking about MDW, as Chicawgo notes?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/f ... 512134002/

Planeboy17 wrote:
That’s a good read. I know I’m old but I wonder if anyone remembers the old Airport Journal. It was published early 80s to the 90s. I used to have a ton of them.
.

I do remember the old Airport Journal as well! I used to love to get those on trips to the airport, back when they had them at the information kiosks. If you had some old copies I'd offer to buy them! I think I have a copy in the attic, from 1998 or so. Not sure when they went out of print, but I think it was not too long after that....? In any case, ya I'm glad we have the modern PDF incarnation in the Fly Chicago newsletter.


When ORD gets TLV service it will be on LY on a 788.

AA has no plans on going back to TLV and UA could give a s—t about ORD international service. Let alliance partners handle it (which is great for tail chasers, but not UA employees).

UA Employees can get anywhere they want but maybe NOT non stop out of ORD. but if they have to connect via other hubs? Oh well.. I try to avoid EWR because it's so crowded if I can. though I have connected through there to ZRH and LHR. when the Non stop out of SFO was filled up or I wanted to visit PHL to see family. It's just as easy to get to IAD as EWR for me as I enjoy the train out of 30th street station in Philly.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:29 pm

So just parused the DL website for flights on Wednesday January 8th and thought I’d share what I found.
SEA stays at 3 flights all 319s same as last winter.
SLC is 4x with 319s. This might be the first winter that DL is all mainline to SLC but they might’ve done this last year as well but with only 3 flights?
MSP is still 7 with all mainline mix with the only 321 to ORD
DTW is also still 7 all mainline mostly 717s
CVG is 4 with CRJ2s. Still surprised they are still flying this TBH.
BOS is 5 with 4 175s and 1 170.
LGA is 13 all 717s. This is nice to see because I thought they would reduce to some Ejets back on this route but they must be trying to stay competitive with AA and UA and they must be getting good returns on it so far.
JFK is 5 all CRJ9s
ATL is 11. Only change here is it’s all Airbus. No more Mad Dogs.
RDU is 3 but upgrades to CRJ9s from CRJ7s.
It’ll be interesting to see if they can get more gates at T5 when they make the move. Like I said, I’m still surprised that they are flying to CVG with the gate crunch. I wonder if they have some corporate contracts that require because I would think with the additions of SEA, BOS and RDU recently that LA might be on their mind.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:05 am

Planeboy17 wrote:
So just parused the DL website for flights on Wednesday January 8th and thought I’d share what I found.
SEA stays at 3 flights all 319s same as last winter.
SLC is 4x with 319s. This might be the first winter that DL is all mainline to SLC but they might’ve done this last year as well but with only 3 flights?
MSP is still 7 with all mainline mix with the only 321 to ORD
DTW is also still 7 all mainline mostly 717s
CVG is 4 with CRJ2s. Still surprised they are still flying this TBH.
BOS is 5 with 4 175s and 1 170.
LGA is 13 all 717s. This is nice to see because I thought they would reduce to some Ejets back on this route but they must be trying to stay competitive with AA and UA and they must be getting good returns on it so far.
JFK is 5 all CRJ9s
ATL is 11. Only change here is it’s all Airbus. No more Mad Dogs.
RDU is 3 but upgrades to CRJ9s from CRJ7s.
It’ll be interesting to see if they can get more gates at T5 when they make the move. Like I said, I’m still surprised that they are flying to CVG with the gate crunch. I wonder if they have some corporate contracts that require because I would think with the additions of SEA, BOS and RDU recently that LA might be on their mind.


Interesting perspective, Planeboy, and one you don't often see in this thread, operations at the airport being overshadowed by the two dominant carriers and all.

Thought I'd round out the Skyteam presence at O'Hare on your chosen day of Wednesday, January 8:

Aeroméxico MEX is 2, both 737s
Aeroméxico GDL is 2, both 737's
China Eastern PVG is 1, a 777
KLM to AMS is 1 787
Korean to ICN is 1, also a 777

Neither Air France or Delta operate ORD-CDG on Wednesday January 8th according to Google Flights and Alitalia to Rome does not operate on that day, being a seasonal route for them.

All in all not an insignificant presence at ORD for Skyteam. Will be fascinating to see them develop over at T-5.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:34 pm

In preparation for/celebration of the World Routes conference (in Adelaide Australia this year) Airlineroute has published a listing of all routes flown from Chicago area airports in November 1995.

(World Routes is "a conference and exhibition dedicated to route strategy development and planning in the the aviation industry").

The domestic info is worth a look... below are a few selected - check out the complete listing in the link below.

Chicago Midway – Minneapolis/St. Paul Downtown
Conquest Airlines: 4 daily Metroliner

Chicago O’Hare – Minneapolis/St. Paul

American: 15 daily Fokker 100
Northwest: 9 daily DC9, 4 daily 727, 2 daily 757, 1 daily A320
United: 2 daily 727, 10 daily 737, 1 daily 737-300, 2 daily 737-500

Chicago Palwaukee – Minocqua

Trans North Aviation: 2 weekly Piper


I’ve plucked out all the International routes below - makes for some interesting reading I thought.


Chicago Midway – Nassau
ATA: 2 weekly 757

Chicago O’Hare – Amsterdam
KLM: 1 daily 747-400COMBI

Chicago O’Hare – Amsterdam – Amman

Royal Jordanian: 2 weekly L1011-500

Chicago O’Hare – Amsterdam – Kuwait City
Kuwait Airways: 2 weekly A340

Chicago O’Hare – Calgary
Air Canada: 1 daily DC9
American: 2 daily MD80

Chicago O’Hare – Copenhagen

SAS: 5 weekly 767

Chicago O’Hare – Durango – Leon/Guanajuato
Mexicana: 1 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Durango – Zacatecas
Mexicana: 1 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Dusseldorf
American: 7 weekly 767

Chicago O’Hare – Frankfurt 

American: 1 daily 767-300ER
Lufthansa: 4 weekly 747-200, 3 weekly 747-200COMBI
United: 1 daily 777

Chicago O’Hare – Freeport

Laker Airways (Bahamas): 2 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Guadalajara

Mexicana: 1 daily 727

Chicago O’Hare – Guadalajara – Morelia – Mexico City
TAESA: 1 weekly 737

Chicago O’Hare – Guadalajara – Puerto Vallarta

Mexicana: 3 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – London Heathrow

American: 2 daily MD11
British Airways: 1 daily 747
United: 1 daily 767-300ER

Chicago O’Hare – Lviv – Kiev Borispil – Shannon – Chicago O’Hare

Air Ukraine: 1 weekly Ilyushin Il62

Chicago O’Hare – Manchester (UK)

American: 1 daily 767-300ER

Chicago O’Hare – Mexico City

American: 1 daily 757
Mexicana: 1 daily A320
United: 1 daily A320

Chicago O’Hare – Mexico City – Acapulco 

Mexicana: 1 daily 727

Chicago O’Hare – Milan Malpensa

American: 1 daily 767-300ER

Chicago O’Hare – Montreal

Air Canada: 3 daily DC9
American: 2 daily Fokker 100, 3 daily MD80

Chicago O’Hare – Montreal – Tel Aviv

El Al: 1 weekly MD80 – 747-400 (MD80 operated by North American Airlines)

Chicago O’Hare – Morelia – Leon/Guanajuato

Mexicana: 1 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Morelia – Durango 

Mexicana: 1 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Morelia – Zacatecas

Mexicana: 3 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Moscow Sheremetyevo

Aeroflot: 2 weekly 767

Chicago O’Hare – Munich

Lufthansa: 1 daily A340

Chicago O’Hare – New York JFK – Tel Aviv

El Al: 1 weekly MD80 – 747-400 (MD80 operated by North American Airlines)

Chicago O’Hare – Ottawa
Air Canada: 2 daily CRJ
American: 3 daily Fokker 100

Chicago O’Hare – Paris CDG

Air France: 5 weekly 747COMBI
United: 1 daily 767-300ER

Chicago O’Hare – Paris Orly

American: 1 daily 767-300ER

Chicago O’Hare – Prague

CSA: 1 weekly A310

Chicago O’Hare – Puerto Vallarta

Mexicana: 3 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Rome

Alitalia: 4 weekly MD11COMBI, 1 weekly MD11

Chicago O’Hare – Seattle – Beijing – Shanghai
China Eastern: 2 weekly MD11

Chicago O’Hare – Seoul
Korean Air: 3 weekly 747-400 (Full routing: Seoul – Chicago – Atlanta)

Chicago O’Hare – Shannon

Aeroflot: 1 weekly Ilyushin Il62

Chicago O’Hare – Shannon – Bucharest
Tarom: 2 weekly A310

Chicago O’Hare – Stockholm Arlanda

American: 1 daily 767

Chicago O’Hare – Tokyo Narita

JAL: 1 daily 747
Northwest: 1 daily 747
United: 6 weekly 747-400

Chicago O’Hare – Vancouver

Canadian: 1 daily 737
United: 2 daily 737-300

Chicago O’Hare – Warsaw

LOT Polish: 5 weekly 767-300ER

Chicago O’Hare – Winnipeg
Air Canada: 2 daily DC9
American: 3 daily Fokker 100

Chicago O’Hare – Zacatecas – Morelia

TAESA: 3 weekly 737

Chicago O’Hare – Zurich

American: 1 daily 767
Swissair: 3 weekly MD11, 3 weekly 747-300COMBI


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-20190831
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:27 pm

yeogeo wrote:
In preparation for/celebration of the World Routes conference (in Adelaide Australia this year) Airlineroute has published a listing of all routes flown from Chicago area airports in November 1995.

(World Routes is "a conference and exhibition dedicated to route strategy development and planning in the the aviation industry").

The domestic info is worth a look... below are a few selected - check out the complete listing in the link below.

Chicago Midway – Minneapolis/St. Paul Downtown
Conquest Airlines: 4 daily Metroliner

Chicago O’Hare – Minneapolis/St. Paul

American: 15 daily Fokker 100
Northwest: 9 daily DC9, 4 daily 727, 2 daily 757, 1 daily A320
United: 2 daily 727, 10 daily 737, 1 daily 737-300, 2 daily 737-500

Chicago Palwaukee – Minocqua

Trans North Aviation: 2 weekly Piper


I’ve plucked out all the International routes below - makes for some interesting reading I thought.


Chicago Midway – Nassau
ATA: 2 weekly 757

Chicago O’Hare – Amsterdam
KLM: 1 daily 747-400COMBI

Chicago O’Hare – Amsterdam – Amman

Royal Jordanian: 2 weekly L1011-500

Chicago O’Hare – Amsterdam – Kuwait City
Kuwait Airways: 2 weekly A340

Chicago O’Hare – Calgary
Air Canada: 1 daily DC9
American: 2 daily MD80

Chicago O’Hare – Copenhagen

SAS: 5 weekly 767

Chicago O’Hare – Durango – Leon/Guanajuato
Mexicana: 1 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Durango – Zacatecas
Mexicana: 1 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Dusseldorf
American: 7 weekly 767

Chicago O’Hare – Frankfurt 

American: 1 daily 767-300ER
Lufthansa: 4 weekly 747-200, 3 weekly 747-200COMBI
United: 1 daily 777

Chicago O’Hare – Freeport

Laker Airways (Bahamas): 2 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Guadalajara

Mexicana: 1 daily 727

Chicago O’Hare – Guadalajara – Morelia – Mexico City
TAESA: 1 weekly 737

Chicago O’Hare – Guadalajara – Puerto Vallarta

Mexicana: 3 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – London Heathrow

American: 2 daily MD11
British Airways: 1 daily 747
United: 1 daily 767-300ER

Chicago O’Hare – Lviv – Kiev Borispil – Shannon – Chicago O’Hare

Air Ukraine: 1 weekly Ilyushin Il62

Chicago O’Hare – Manchester (UK)

American: 1 daily 767-300ER

Chicago O’Hare – Mexico City

American: 1 daily 757
Mexicana: 1 daily A320
United: 1 daily A320

Chicago O’Hare – Mexico City – Acapulco 

Mexicana: 1 daily 727

Chicago O’Hare – Milan Malpensa

American: 1 daily 767-300ER

Chicago O’Hare – Montreal

Air Canada: 3 daily DC9
American: 2 daily Fokker 100, 3 daily MD80

Chicago O’Hare – Montreal – Tel Aviv

El Al: 1 weekly MD80 – 747-400 (MD80 operated by North American Airlines)

Chicago O’Hare – Morelia – Leon/Guanajuato

Mexicana: 1 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Morelia – Durango 

Mexicana: 1 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Morelia – Zacatecas

Mexicana: 3 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Moscow Sheremetyevo

Aeroflot: 2 weekly 767

Chicago O’Hare – Munich

Lufthansa: 1 daily A340

Chicago O’Hare – New York JFK – Tel Aviv

El Al: 1 weekly MD80 – 747-400 (MD80 operated by North American Airlines)

Chicago O’Hare – Ottawa
Air Canada: 2 daily CRJ
American: 3 daily Fokker 100

Chicago O’Hare – Paris CDG

Air France: 5 weekly 747COMBI
United: 1 daily 767-300ER

Chicago O’Hare – Paris Orly

American: 1 daily 767-300ER

Chicago O’Hare – Prague

CSA: 1 weekly A310

Chicago O’Hare – Puerto Vallarta

Mexicana: 3 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Rome

Alitalia: 4 weekly MD11COMBI, 1 weekly MD11

Chicago O’Hare – Seattle – Beijing – Shanghai
China Eastern: 2 weekly MD11

Chicago O’Hare – Seoul
Korean Air: 3 weekly 747-400 (Full routing: Seoul – Chicago – Atlanta)

Chicago O’Hare – Shannon

Aeroflot: 1 weekly Ilyushin Il62

Chicago O’Hare – Shannon – Bucharest
Tarom: 2 weekly A310

Chicago O’Hare – Stockholm Arlanda

American: 1 daily 767

Chicago O’Hare – Tokyo Narita

JAL: 1 daily 747
Northwest: 1 daily 747
United: 6 weekly 747-400

Chicago O’Hare – Vancouver

Canadian: 1 daily 737
United: 2 daily 737-300

Chicago O’Hare – Warsaw

LOT Polish: 5 weekly 767-300ER

Chicago O’Hare – Winnipeg
Air Canada: 2 daily DC9
American: 3 daily Fokker 100

Chicago O’Hare – Zacatecas – Morelia

TAESA: 3 weekly 737

Chicago O’Hare – Zurich

American: 1 daily 767
Swissair: 3 weekly MD11, 3 weekly 747-300COMBI


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-20190831

Thanks for this - it's very interesting. I didn't realize that even in 1995 three Eastern European carriers (Aeroflot, Air Ukraine, TAROM) were still using SNN as a stop en route.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:22 pm

Quick question: Did ORD have more international carriers in 1995 than ATL has now?
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:27 pm

An article suggesting that O'Hare- Dubrovnik Croatia (DBV) is a possibility with AA and also suggests that Philadelphia>European secondary routes are incubators for Chicago routes:

https://www.total-croatia-news.com/trav ... -dubrovnik

“As we go and start things in Philadelphia, and they work, it becomes a means to develop routes for Chicago. Barcelona, Venice, Prague and Budapest all started from Philadelphia, and we realized they could all work from Chicago too, given where the traffic was coming from," Raja added, hinting that the airline could launch a service between Chicago and Dubrovnik in the coming years, as its new routes out of Philadelphia are used as a guinea pig for future operations out of O’Hare airport."

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=ORD-DBV
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:18 pm

AmricanShamrok wrote:
yeogeo wrote:
In preparation for/celebration of the World Routes conference (in Adelaide Australia this year) Airlineroute has published a listing of all routes flown from Chicago area airports in November 1995.

(World Routes is "a conference and exhibition dedicated to route strategy development and planning in the the aviation industry").

The domestic info is worth a look... below are a few selected - check out the complete listing in the link below.

Chicago Midway – Minneapolis/St. Paul Downtown
Conquest Airlines: 4 daily Metroliner

Chicago O’Hare – Minneapolis/St. Paul

American: 15 daily Fokker 100
Northwest: 9 daily DC9, 4 daily 727, 2 daily 757, 1 daily A320
United: 2 daily 727, 10 daily 737, 1 daily 737-300, 2 daily 737-500

Chicago Palwaukee – Minocqua

Trans North Aviation: 2 weekly Piper


I’ve plucked out all the International routes below - makes for some interesting reading I thought.


Chicago Midway – Nassau
ATA: 2 weekly 757

Chicago O’Hare – Amsterdam
KLM: 1 daily 747-400COMBI

Chicago O’Hare – Amsterdam – Amman

Royal Jordanian: 2 weekly L1011-500

Chicago O’Hare – Amsterdam – Kuwait City
Kuwait Airways: 2 weekly A340

Chicago O’Hare – Calgary
Air Canada: 1 daily DC9
American: 2 daily MD80

Chicago O’Hare – Copenhagen

SAS: 5 weekly 767

Chicago O’Hare – Durango – Leon/Guanajuato
Mexicana: 1 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Durango – Zacatecas
Mexicana: 1 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Dusseldorf
American: 7 weekly 767

Chicago O’Hare – Frankfurt 

American: 1 daily 767-300ER
Lufthansa: 4 weekly 747-200, 3 weekly 747-200COMBI
United: 1 daily 777

Chicago O’Hare – Freeport

Laker Airways (Bahamas): 2 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Guadalajara

Mexicana: 1 daily 727

Chicago O’Hare – Guadalajara – Morelia – Mexico City
TAESA: 1 weekly 737

Chicago O’Hare – Guadalajara – Puerto Vallarta

Mexicana: 3 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – London Heathrow

American: 2 daily MD11
British Airways: 1 daily 747
United: 1 daily 767-300ER

Chicago O’Hare – Lviv – Kiev Borispil – Shannon – Chicago O’Hare

Air Ukraine: 1 weekly Ilyushin Il62

Chicago O’Hare – Manchester (UK)

American: 1 daily 767-300ER

Chicago O’Hare – Mexico City

American: 1 daily 757
Mexicana: 1 daily A320
United: 1 daily A320

Chicago O’Hare – Mexico City – Acapulco 

Mexicana: 1 daily 727

Chicago O’Hare – Milan Malpensa

American: 1 daily 767-300ER

Chicago O’Hare – Montreal

Air Canada: 3 daily DC9
American: 2 daily Fokker 100, 3 daily MD80

Chicago O’Hare – Montreal – Tel Aviv

El Al: 1 weekly MD80 – 747-400 (MD80 operated by North American Airlines)

Chicago O’Hare – Morelia – Leon/Guanajuato

Mexicana: 1 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Morelia – Durango 

Mexicana: 1 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Morelia – Zacatecas

Mexicana: 3 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Moscow Sheremetyevo

Aeroflot: 2 weekly 767

Chicago O’Hare – Munich

Lufthansa: 1 daily A340

Chicago O’Hare – New York JFK – Tel Aviv

El Al: 1 weekly MD80 – 747-400 (MD80 operated by North American Airlines)

Chicago O’Hare – Ottawa
Air Canada: 2 daily CRJ
American: 3 daily Fokker 100

Chicago O’Hare – Paris CDG

Air France: 5 weekly 747COMBI
United: 1 daily 767-300ER

Chicago O’Hare – Paris Orly

American: 1 daily 767-300ER

Chicago O’Hare – Prague

CSA: 1 weekly A310

Chicago O’Hare – Puerto Vallarta

Mexicana: 3 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Rome

Alitalia: 4 weekly MD11COMBI, 1 weekly MD11

Chicago O’Hare – Seattle – Beijing – Shanghai
China Eastern: 2 weekly MD11

Chicago O’Hare – Seoul
Korean Air: 3 weekly 747-400 (Full routing: Seoul – Chicago – Atlanta)

Chicago O’Hare – Shannon

Aeroflot: 1 weekly Ilyushin Il62

Chicago O’Hare – Shannon – Bucharest
Tarom: 2 weekly A310

Chicago O’Hare – Stockholm Arlanda

American: 1 daily 767

Chicago O’Hare – Tokyo Narita

JAL: 1 daily 747
Northwest: 1 daily 747
United: 6 weekly 747-400

Chicago O’Hare – Vancouver

Canadian: 1 daily 737
United: 2 daily 737-300

Chicago O’Hare – Warsaw

LOT Polish: 5 weekly 767-300ER

Chicago O’Hare – Winnipeg
Air Canada: 2 daily DC9
American: 3 daily Fokker 100

Chicago O’Hare – Zacatecas – Morelia

TAESA: 3 weekly 737

Chicago O’Hare – Zurich

American: 1 daily 767
Swissair: 3 weekly MD11, 3 weekly 747-300COMBI


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-20190831

Thanks for this - it's very interesting. I didn't realize that even in 1995 three Eastern European carriers (Aeroflot, Air Ukraine, TAROM) were still using SNN as a stop en route.


Actually Aeroflot used to fly SVO-ORD three times a week - MWS using a 767. Monday and Saturday were non stop and Wednesday was via Shannon. Although they did not use pre-clearance and just picked up local traffic. Subsequently it went to non stop for all three days until 9/11.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 11:06 pm

AmricanShamrok wrote:
yeogeo wrote:
In preparation for/celebration of the World Routes conference (in Adelaide Australia this year) Airlineroute has published a listing of all routes flown from Chicago area airports in November 1995.

(World Routes is "a conference and exhibition dedicated to route strategy development and planning in the the aviation industry").

The domestic info is worth a look... below are a few selected - check out the complete listing in the link below.

Chicago Midway – Minneapolis/St. Paul Downtown
Conquest Airlines: 4 daily Metroliner

Chicago O’Hare – Minneapolis/St. Paul

American: 15 daily Fokker 100
Northwest: 9 daily DC9, 4 daily 727, 2 daily 757, 1 daily A320
United: 2 daily 727, 10 daily 737, 1 daily 737-300, 2 daily 737-500

Chicago Palwaukee – Minocqua

Trans North Aviation: 2 weekly Piper


I’ve plucked out all the International routes below - makes for some interesting reading I thought.


Chicago Midway – Nassau
ATA: 2 weekly 757

Chicago O’Hare – Amsterdam
KLM: 1 daily 747-400COMBI

Chicago O’Hare – Amsterdam – Amman

Royal Jordanian: 2 weekly L1011-500

Chicago O’Hare – Amsterdam – Kuwait City
Kuwait Airways: 2 weekly A340

Chicago O’Hare – Calgary
Air Canada: 1 daily DC9
American: 2 daily MD80

Chicago O’Hare – Copenhagen

SAS: 5 weekly 767

Chicago O’Hare – Durango – Leon/Guanajuato
Mexicana: 1 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Durango – Zacatecas
Mexicana: 1 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Dusseldorf
American: 7 weekly 767

Chicago O’Hare – Frankfurt 

American: 1 daily 767-300ER
Lufthansa: 4 weekly 747-200, 3 weekly 747-200COMBI
United: 1 daily 777

Chicago O’Hare – Freeport

Laker Airways (Bahamas): 2 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Guadalajara

Mexicana: 1 daily 727

Chicago O’Hare – Guadalajara – Morelia – Mexico City
TAESA: 1 weekly 737

Chicago O’Hare – Guadalajara – Puerto Vallarta

Mexicana: 3 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – London Heathrow

American: 2 daily MD11
British Airways: 1 daily 747
United: 1 daily 767-300ER

Chicago O’Hare – Lviv – Kiev Borispil – Shannon – Chicago O’Hare

Air Ukraine: 1 weekly Ilyushin Il62

Chicago O’Hare – Manchester (UK)

American: 1 daily 767-300ER

Chicago O’Hare – Mexico City

American: 1 daily 757
Mexicana: 1 daily A320
United: 1 daily A320

Chicago O’Hare – Mexico City – Acapulco 

Mexicana: 1 daily 727

Chicago O’Hare – Milan Malpensa

American: 1 daily 767-300ER

Chicago O’Hare – Montreal

Air Canada: 3 daily DC9
American: 2 daily Fokker 100, 3 daily MD80

Chicago O’Hare – Montreal – Tel Aviv

El Al: 1 weekly MD80 – 747-400 (MD80 operated by North American Airlines)

Chicago O’Hare – Morelia – Leon/Guanajuato

Mexicana: 1 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Morelia – Durango 

Mexicana: 1 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Morelia – Zacatecas

Mexicana: 3 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Moscow Sheremetyevo

Aeroflot: 2 weekly 767

Chicago O’Hare – Munich

Lufthansa: 1 daily A340

Chicago O’Hare – New York JFK – Tel Aviv

El Al: 1 weekly MD80 – 747-400 (MD80 operated by North American Airlines)

Chicago O’Hare – Ottawa
Air Canada: 2 daily CRJ
American: 3 daily Fokker 100

Chicago O’Hare – Paris CDG

Air France: 5 weekly 747COMBI
United: 1 daily 767-300ER

Chicago O’Hare – Paris Orly

American: 1 daily 767-300ER

Chicago O’Hare – Prague

CSA: 1 weekly A310

Chicago O’Hare – Puerto Vallarta

Mexicana: 3 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Rome

Alitalia: 4 weekly MD11COMBI, 1 weekly MD11

Chicago O’Hare – Seattle – Beijing – Shanghai
China Eastern: 2 weekly MD11

Chicago O’Hare – Seoul
Korean Air: 3 weekly 747-400 (Full routing: Seoul – Chicago – Atlanta)

Chicago O’Hare – Shannon

Aeroflot: 1 weekly Ilyushin Il62

Chicago O’Hare – Shannon – Bucharest
Tarom: 2 weekly A310

Chicago O’Hare – Stockholm Arlanda

American: 1 daily 767

Chicago O’Hare – Tokyo Narita

JAL: 1 daily 747
Northwest: 1 daily 747
United: 6 weekly 747-400

Chicago O’Hare – Vancouver

Canadian: 1 daily 737
United: 2 daily 737-300

Chicago O’Hare – Warsaw

LOT Polish: 5 weekly 767-300ER

Chicago O’Hare – Winnipeg
Air Canada: 2 daily DC9
American: 3 daily Fokker 100

Chicago O’Hare – Zacatecas – Morelia

TAESA: 3 weekly 737

Chicago O’Hare – Zurich

American: 1 daily 767
Swissair: 3 weekly MD11, 3 weekly 747-300COMBI


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-20190831

Thanks for this - it's very interesting. I didn't realize that even in 1995 three Eastern European carriers (Aeroflot, Air Ukraine, TAROM) were still using SNN as a stop en route.

Great link.
Just a couple of INTL routes left out
Brussels
AA 1x 767
Sabena 5w DC10

Toronto
AC 5x DC9
AA 1 75 2 F100 3 MD 80
Canadian 2 737
UA 1 727, 3 737, 1 75
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 11:33 pm

Planeboy17 wrote:
AmricanShamrok wrote:
yeogeo wrote:
In preparation for/celebration of the World Routes conference (in Adelaide Australia this year) Airlineroute has published a listing of all routes flown from Chicago area airports in November 1995.

(World Routes is "a conference and exhibition dedicated to route strategy development and planning in the the aviation industry").

The domestic info is worth a look... below are a few selected - check out the complete listing in the link below.

Chicago Midway – Minneapolis/St. Paul Downtown
Conquest Airlines: 4 daily Metroliner

Chicago O’Hare – Minneapolis/St. Paul

American: 15 daily Fokker 100
Northwest: 9 daily DC9, 4 daily 727, 2 daily 757, 1 daily A320
United: 2 daily 727, 10 daily 737, 1 daily 737-300, 2 daily 737-500

Chicago Palwaukee – Minocqua

Trans North Aviation: 2 weekly Piper


I’ve plucked out all the International routes below - makes for some interesting reading I thought.


Chicago Midway – Nassau
ATA: 2 weekly 757

Chicago O’Hare – Amsterdam
KLM: 1 daily 747-400COMBI

Chicago O’Hare – Amsterdam – Amman

Royal Jordanian: 2 weekly L1011-500

Chicago O’Hare – Amsterdam – Kuwait City
Kuwait Airways: 2 weekly A340

Chicago O’Hare – Calgary
Air Canada: 1 daily DC9
American: 2 daily MD80

Chicago O’Hare – Copenhagen

SAS: 5 weekly 767

Chicago O’Hare – Durango – Leon/Guanajuato
Mexicana: 1 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Durango – Zacatecas
Mexicana: 1 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Dusseldorf
American: 7 weekly 767

Chicago O’Hare – Frankfurt 

American: 1 daily 767-300ER
Lufthansa: 4 weekly 747-200, 3 weekly 747-200COMBI
United: 1 daily 777

Chicago O’Hare – Freeport

Laker Airways (Bahamas): 2 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Guadalajara

Mexicana: 1 daily 727

Chicago O’Hare – Guadalajara – Morelia – Mexico City
TAESA: 1 weekly 737

Chicago O’Hare – Guadalajara – Puerto Vallarta

Mexicana: 3 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – London Heathrow

American: 2 daily MD11
British Airways: 1 daily 747
United: 1 daily 767-300ER

Chicago O’Hare – Lviv – Kiev Borispil – Shannon – Chicago O’Hare

Air Ukraine: 1 weekly Ilyushin Il62

Chicago O’Hare – Manchester (UK)

American: 1 daily 767-300ER

Chicago O’Hare – Mexico City

American: 1 daily 757
Mexicana: 1 daily A320
United: 1 daily A320

Chicago O’Hare – Mexico City – Acapulco 

Mexicana: 1 daily 727

Chicago O’Hare – Milan Malpensa

American: 1 daily 767-300ER

Chicago O’Hare – Montreal

Air Canada: 3 daily DC9
American: 2 daily Fokker 100, 3 daily MD80

Chicago O’Hare – Montreal – Tel Aviv

El Al: 1 weekly MD80 – 747-400 (MD80 operated by North American Airlines)

Chicago O’Hare – Morelia – Leon/Guanajuato

Mexicana: 1 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Morelia – Durango 

Mexicana: 1 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Morelia – Zacatecas

Mexicana: 3 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Moscow Sheremetyevo

Aeroflot: 2 weekly 767

Chicago O’Hare – Munich

Lufthansa: 1 daily A340

Chicago O’Hare – New York JFK – Tel Aviv

El Al: 1 weekly MD80 – 747-400 (MD80 operated by North American Airlines)

Chicago O’Hare – Ottawa
Air Canada: 2 daily CRJ
American: 3 daily Fokker 100

Chicago O’Hare – Paris CDG

Air France: 5 weekly 747COMBI
United: 1 daily 767-300ER

Chicago O’Hare – Paris Orly

American: 1 daily 767-300ER

Chicago O’Hare – Prague

CSA: 1 weekly A310

Chicago O’Hare – Puerto Vallarta

Mexicana: 3 weekly 727

Chicago O’Hare – Rome

Alitalia: 4 weekly MD11COMBI, 1 weekly MD11

Chicago O’Hare – Seattle – Beijing – Shanghai
China Eastern: 2 weekly MD11

Chicago O’Hare – Seoul
Korean Air: 3 weekly 747-400 (Full routing: Seoul – Chicago – Atlanta)

Chicago O’Hare – Shannon

Aeroflot: 1 weekly Ilyushin Il62

Chicago O’Hare – Shannon – Bucharest
Tarom: 2 weekly A310

Chicago O’Hare – Stockholm Arlanda

American: 1 daily 767

Chicago O’Hare – Tokyo Narita

JAL: 1 daily 747
Northwest: 1 daily 747
United: 6 weekly 747-400

Chicago O’Hare – Vancouver

Canadian: 1 daily 737
United: 2 daily 737-300

Chicago O’Hare – Warsaw

LOT Polish: 5 weekly 767-300ER

Chicago O’Hare – Winnipeg
Air Canada: 2 daily DC9
American: 3 daily Fokker 100

Chicago O’Hare – Zacatecas – Morelia

TAESA: 3 weekly 737

Chicago O’Hare – Zurich

American: 1 daily 767
Swissair: 3 weekly MD11, 3 weekly 747-300COMBI


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-20190831

Thanks for this - it's very interesting. I didn't realize that even in 1995 three Eastern European carriers (Aeroflot, Air Ukraine, TAROM) were still using SNN as a stop en route.

Great link.
Just a couple of INTL routes left out
Brussels
AA 1x 767
Sabena 5w DC10

Toronto
AC 5x DC9
AA 1 75 2 F100 3 MD 80
Canadian 2 737
UA 1 727, 3 737, 1 75


:bigthumbsup:
Rather major omissions I'd say.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:40 am

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Quick question: Did ORD have more international carriers in 1995 than ATL has now?

If my counting is correct, and that’s a big if, but I count 23 carriers from the list and using ATL Wiki page it shows only 11.
Not really close.
ORD 1995
1. British
2. Lufthansa
3. Air France
4. KLM
5. Sabena
6. Alitalia
7. SAS
8. Swissair
9. CSA
10. Tarom
11. Air Ukraine
12. LOT Polish
13. Aeroflot
14. China Eastern
15. Japan
16. Korean
17. Air Canada
18. Canadian
19. Mexicana
20. Taesa
21. Laker
22. Royal Jordanian
23. Kuwait

ATL
1. Air France
2. British
3. Lufthansa
4. Korean
5. Qatar
6. Air Canada
7. Aeroméxico
8. Turkish
9. KLM
10. Westjet
11. Virgin Atlantic
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:06 am

Here is the current list
1. British
2. Lufthansa
3. SAS
4. Iberia
5. Aer Lingus
6. Icelandair
7. KLM
8. Air France
9. TAP
10. Alitalia
11. Swiss
12. Norwegian
13. LOT Polish
14. Turkish
15. Royal Jordanian
16. Emirates
17. Qatar
18. Etihad
19. Air India
20. Cathay Pacific
21. Hainan
22. China Eastern
23. Japan
24. ANA
25. Korean
26. Asiana
27. Air New Zealand
28. Air Canada
29. Aeroméxico
30. Volaris
31. Interjet
32. Cayman
33. Austrian
34. COPA
35. Finnair
36. EVA
37. Ethiopian

* Asiana leaves October 27th.

Qantas begins in April
El Al begins in March
Viva Aerobus begins in December
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:58 am

I have a T3 to T5 connection coming up again in October, 2 hr connection.

Last time I used the airside bus which was a nightmare, the transit took about an hour (bus runs every 20 mins or so, constant waits etc).

I understand the people mover is still under repairs and thus not an option.

So the question is, which is better ? The terrible airside transfer or landside bus transfer and redoing security at T5. How bad is security there anyway ?
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:29 pm

Fittingly, the last AA MD-80 flight arrives today at ORD from DFW.

I remember when these were so ubiquitous at ORD, that I took them for granted. I’ll miss these old birds- they truly defined AA to me.

I saw one a few weeks ago and wondered how much longer AA would keep them around: not sure I was ready for it to be this soon.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -love-hate
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:40 pm

ORDfan wrote:
Fittingly, the last AA MD-80 flight arrives today at ORD from DFW.

I remember when these were so ubiquitous at ORD, that I took them for granted. I’ll miss these old birds- they truly defined AA to me.

I saw one a few weeks ago and wondered how much longer AA would keep them around: not sure I was ready for it to be this soon.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -love-hate


So long buddy.



...still, we'll have close cousin 717's around for the time being.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:52 am

Good riddance to the MD-80, hated those things... I always prefer new when it comes to technology!
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:39 pm

A question for the very frequent flyers. I had a UA flight on 319 depart terminal 2 yesterday morning - E8. I only thought UA Express was in T2. Is this something new, or do I just not come to ORD enough?
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:13 pm

emcm541 wrote:
A question for the very frequent flyers. I had a UA flight on 319 depart terminal 2 yesterday morning - E8. I only thought UA Express was in T2. Is this something new, or do I just not come to ORD enough?

I don't have the answer to your question but this got me thinking - what's the largest aircraft that can be accommodated at T2? Seeing as its mostly RJs that use it.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:31 pm

AmricanShamrok wrote:
emcm541 wrote:
A question for the very frequent flyers. I had a UA flight on 319 depart terminal 2 yesterday morning - E8. I only thought UA Express was in T2. Is this something new, or do I just not come to ORD enough?

I don't have the answer to your question but this got me thinking - what's the largest aircraft that can be accommodated at T2? Seeing as its mostly RJs that use it.

I have seen Airbuses out of the E side of T2 recently as well.
I don’t know what the largest airplane right now could be parked there but I know Delta is using a 321 currently and both UA and NW used 747s out of T2 back in the 80s and up to around 1999 or so when NW gave up the NRT flight.
I remember in the early 2000s ATA used L1011s to HNL for Pleasant Hawaiian out of the E gates as well.
I’m guessing that was the last time a wide body has parked at T2 since DL parked their 767 at T5 when they flew CDG.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:37 pm

emcm541 wrote:
A question for the very frequent flyers. I had a UA flight on 319 depart terminal 2 yesterday morning - E8. I only thought UA Express was in T2. Is this something new, or do I just not come to ORD enough?


UA did this for years until the RJ Era began. Nice to see them needing more space for mainline again with upgauging.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:29 pm

chicawgo wrote:
emcm541 wrote:
A question for the very frequent flyers. I had a UA flight on 319 depart terminal 2 yesterday morning - E8. I only thought UA Express was in T2. Is this something new, or do I just not come to ORD enough?


UA did this for years until the RJ Era began. Nice to see them needing more space for mainline again with upgauging.


UA just recently reconfigured some of the E/F gates for mainline aircraft. Think bad weather where you have no RJ's operating and all this open gate space and yet can't use it.

There will be some shuffling once DL moves to T5 in 2022. You'll see some domestic common use gates placed in T2 or additional preferential gates going to carriers that have met the criteria currently but not able to be moved over from T5.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:14 pm

I know it's been asked before, but any current pictures of 9C/27C and/or the north side of the airfield would be incredibly welcome. Anything.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:08 am

chicawgo wrote:

UA did this for years until the RJ Era began. Nice to see them needing more space for mainline again with upgauging.


Yup, United was using gates on E for mainline flights for most of the 1990s and even into the early 2000s before the regional jet invasion really cranked up post-9/11. I can remember arriving on E aboard a United 727 from DFW in the spring of 2000. I was disappointed not to be arriving at the shinier, newer T1.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:38 am

jsnww81 wrote:
chicawgo wrote:

UA did this for years until the RJ Era began. Nice to see them needing more space for mainline again with upgauging.


Yup, United was using gates on E for mainline flights for most of the 1990s and even into the early 2000s before the regional jet invasion really cranked up post-9/11. I can remember arriving on E aboard a United 727 from DFW in the spring of 2000. I was disappointed not to be arriving at the shinier, newer T1.


There were a couple times, in the summer of 1999 when they had the operational difficulties, that I would see a DC-10 parked over there at E2 I believe. Brought back the glory days! Too bad we all did not carry camera phones back then!
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:34 pm

jcwr56 wrote:
chicawgo wrote:
emcm541 wrote:
A question for the very frequent flyers. I had a UA flight on 319 depart terminal 2 yesterday morning - E8. I only thought UA Express was in T2. Is this something new, or do I just not come to ORD enough?


UA did this for years until the RJ Era began. Nice to see them needing more space for mainline again with upgauging.


UA just recently reconfigured some of the E/F gates for mainline aircraft. Think bad weather where you have no RJ's operating and all this open gate space and yet can't use it.

There will be some shuffling once DL moves to T5 in 2022. You'll see some domestic common use gates placed in T2 or additional preferential gates going to carriers that have met the criteria currently but not able to be moved over from T5.


Thanks for all the feedback. It had been sometime since I had a departure out of T2, so this was totally new to me. I did see Delta already advertising their new Sky Club in T5 to open 2021/2022 on various signage throughout T2.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:08 am

chidino wrote:
I know it's been asked before, but any current pictures of 9C/27C and/or the north side of the airfield would be incredibly welcome. Anything.

I have a flight in and out next Sunday and another pair of flights in and out on the Friday following so I'll do my best. I have a window seat throughout so i should think my chances are pretty good.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:47 pm

Just flew in from Europe and when I was walking towards the border control area I saw a sign that shows "Global Entry" and "APC" accompanied with arrows. Not sure what they are smoking at ORD and USCIS, but why would a random person know what the acronym APC stands for (i.e., automated passport control)? I actually had to ask.

And there was no separation between US and non-US travelers. We all went to the same line.
Flying at the cruising altitude is (mostly) boring. I wish all flights were nothing but endless take offs and landings every 10 minutes or so.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:54 pm

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BEG2IAH wrote:
Just flew in from Europe and when I was walking towards the border control area I saw a sign that shows "Global Entry" and "APC" accompanied with arrows. Not sure what they are smoking at ORD and USCIS, but why would a random person know what the acronym APC stands for (i.e., automated passport control)? I actually had to ask.

And there was no separation between US and non-US travelers. We all went to the same line.



Thank you, I’ve already passed this information on. It’s not the City that placed the signage it was CBP. They’re trying to improve queuing efficiencies within the hall.

There’s also MPC (Mobile Passport Control), it’s a phone app that can be downloaded and used.

Starting next summer you’ll see construction changes that move processing over to a single harden border along the lines of Europe and Asia. No more lines after you claim your bag.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:46 am

Lots of good stuff in the thread, recently...will have to get caught up soon.

The new O'hare noise plan goes into affect in November.

"The communities that will be taking one for the team on week one: Itasca, Wood Dale, Bensenville, Rosemont, Schiller Park, Norridge and Hardwood Heights, according to Arlene Juracek, who is mayor of Mount Prospect and chairs the commission.

In week two, diagonal runways will carry flights over Elmhurst, Northlake, Franklin Park, a small part of Bensenville, Des Plaines, Park Ridge, Niles and Glenview, she said."

I'm not sure if Mayor Juracek is accurate in her statement: it seems to me that Rosemont, Wood Dale, Harwood Heights, Norridge etc ARE already taking the brunt of the overhead aircraft, and that Park Ridge, Niles, Glenview, etc are going to start to see an increase in flights.

Am I missing something or is the major mistaken on who's taking one for the team? I'm glad ORD still has the diagnol runways in any event.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/9/9/2 ... f-november
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:02 am

Also, the June traffic stats are out:

Another strong showing for ORD, growth clearly trending. MDW still lagging, but at least YTD decline looks to have stabilized, hopefully it was a better summer for the South Side.

https://www.flychicago.com/SiteCollecti ... UMMARY.pdf

https://www.flychicago.com/SiteCollecti ... UMMARY.pdf
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:56 am

yeogeo wrote:
In preparation for/celebration of the World Routes conference (in Adelaide Australia this year) Airlineroute has published a listing of all routes flown from Chicago area airports in November 1995.

(World Routes is "a conference and exhibition dedicated to route strategy development and planning in the the aviation industry").

The domestic info is worth a look...


I'll say!

Chicago O’Hare – Ontario
American: 2 daily MD80
United: 4 daily 727

These days, even though ONT is a *much* nicer airport and the Inland Empire has a *much* bigger population, AA can only manage a sporadic "seasonal" service on the ORD-ONT route. UA offers no nonstop service of any kind either. What ever happened here?!?
Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:44 am

ORDfan wrote:
Also, the June traffic stats are out:

Another strong showing for ORD, growth clearly trending. MDW still lagging, but at least YTD decline looks to have stabilized, hopefully it was a better summer for the South Side.

https://www.flychicago.com/SiteCollecti ... UMMARY.pdf

https://www.flychicago.com/SiteCollecti ... UMMARY.pdf


Those are great numbers. Even better, the passenger numbers are up higher than the movements which means improved load factors and/or upgauging.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:09 am

ORDfan wrote:
Lots of good stuff in the thread, recently...will have to get caught up soon.

The new O'hare noise plan goes into affect in November.

"The communities that will be taking one for the team on week one: Itasca, Wood Dale, Bensenville, Rosemont, Schiller Park, Norridge and Hardwood Heights, according to Arlene Juracek, who is mayor of Mount Prospect and chairs the commission.

In week two, diagonal runways will carry flights over Elmhurst, Northlake, Franklin Park, a small part of Bensenville, Des Plaines, Park Ridge, Niles and Glenview, she said."

I'm not sure if Mayor Juracek is accurate in her statement: it seems to me that Rosemont, Wood Dale, Harwood Heights, Norridge etc ARE already taking the brunt of the overhead aircraft, and that Park Ridge, Niles, Glenview, etc are going to start to see an increase in flights.

Am I missing something or is the major mistaken on who's taking one for the team? I'm glad ORD still has the diagnol runways in any event.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/9/9/2 ... f-november


You are WAY kinder than I would be. My first question to Mayor Juracek would be: when did your family move here?

Is this truly an issue any more? The airport was built in 1955. (Older than ME, for crissakes). There were large signs erected back then -- paid for by the city -- that said "Jet aircraft will take off and land over this property." And the developers who gave us suburbs tore those signs down and sold people the suburban dream, knowing that the jets would come. Back then, we're talking JT3D. If her family owned property back in 1940 and they had serious objections, she has every right to protest. Otherwise... :rotfl:
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:40 am

If you notice a large presence of emergency equipment out at ORD this morning, it's due to the triennial certification taking place.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:45 pm

jcwr56 wrote:
Thank you, I’ve already passed this information on. It’s not the City that placed the signage it was CBP. They’re trying to improve queuing efficiencies within the hall.

There’s also MPC (Mobile Passport Control), it’s a phone app that can be downloaded and used.

Starting next summer you’ll see construction changes that move processing over to a single harden border along the lines of Europe and Asia. No more lines after you claim your bag.


Thank you, jcwr56!
Flying at the cruising altitude is (mostly) boring. I wish all flights were nothing but endless take offs and landings every 10 minutes or so.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:50 am

The inaugural Hainan CTU-ORD flight and return leg is today/tonight HU705/706. The first interior US to interior China flights! Excited to see this.

Kudos to HU for continuing to launch this despite the trade-related headwinds. I'm hoping 2x week is enough to get things going and can build on it for the future.

https://www.flychicago.com/business/med ... zgp-69mFYI
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:21 am

ORDfan wrote:
The inaugural Hainan CTU-ORD flight and return leg is today/tonight HU705/706. The first interior US to interior China flights! Excited to see this.

Kudos to HU for continuing to launch this despite the trade-related headwinds. I'm hoping 2x week is enough to get things going and can build on it for the future.

https://www.flychicago.com/business/med ... zgp-69mFYI

Does anyone know if this flight is getting subsidized?
I obviously hope this route succeeds but I seriously wonder about it. Hainan hasn’t been great on Beijing, they still can’t make it work daily and now they’re going to try Chengdu work, a city UA couldn’t make work from SFO.
I’m trying to stay glass half full on this route but not betting the house, or a nickel, that this is around 2 years from now.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:49 am

Planeboy17 wrote:
ORDfan wrote:
The inaugural Hainan CTU-ORD flight and return leg is today/tonight HU705/706. The first interior US to interior China flights! Excited to see this.

Kudos to HU for continuing to launch this despite the trade-related headwinds. I'm hoping 2x week is enough to get things going and can build on it for the future.

https://www.flychicago.com/business/med ... zgp-69mFYI

Does anyone know if this flight is getting subsidized?
I obviously hope this route succeeds but I seriously wonder about it. Hainan hasn’t been great on Beijing, they still can’t make it work daily and now they’re going to try Chengdu work, a city UA couldn’t make work from SFO.
I’m trying to stay glass half full on this route but not betting the house, or a nickel, that this is around 2 years from now.



CTU can supplement HU on the PEK route, might as well spread the wealth and allow Chengdu passengers another option to the states.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:22 pm

TheKennady2 wrote:
Planeboy17 wrote:
ORDfan wrote:
The inaugural Hainan CTU-ORD flight and return leg is today/tonight HU705/706. The first interior US to interior China flights! Excited to see this.

Kudos to HU for continuing to launch this despite the trade-related headwinds. I'm hoping 2x week is enough to get things going and can build on it for the future.

https://www.flychicago.com/business/med ... zgp-69mFYI

Does anyone know if this flight is getting subsidized?
I obviously hope this route succeeds but I seriously wonder about it. Hainan hasn’t been great on Beijing, they still can’t make it work daily and now they’re going to try Chengdu work, a city UA couldn’t make work from SFO.
I’m trying to stay glass half full on this route but not betting the house, or a nickel, that this is around 2 years from now.



CTU can supplement HU on the PEK route, might as well spread the wealth and allow Chengdu passengers another option to the states.


Agreed on the last part. Here's a good article in CBJ that notes that Hainan realizes the current challenges, but believes that there is a long-term value to this route. Chengdu is one of the fastest growing cities in China.

It would not shock me at all if HU waits this out and watches UA continue to pull back on US-China. HNA Group knows how to play the long-game.

https://www.bizjournals.com/chicago/new ... ortin.html
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:49 am

chidino wrote:
I know it's been asked before, but any current pictures of 9C/27C and/or the north side of the airfield would be incredibly welcome. Anything.

sorry, chidino, no luck with photos of the north side of the field (although I did observe the new runway construction from ground level. There were lots of activity going on at the center of the 9C/27C construction: they're hard at it).

As a consolation I managed a grainy a/c window shot of the goings-on east of T-5 (the hard stand preparations?)

Image
(looking SW with T-5 just out of the frame on the right side)
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:53 am

yeogeo wrote:
sorry, chidino, no luck with photos of the north side of the field (although I did observe the new runway construction from ground level. There were lots of activity going on at the center of the 9C/27C construction: they're hard at it).

As a consolation I managed a grainy a/c window shot of the goings-on east of T-5 (the hard stand preparations?)

(looking SW with T-5 just out of the frame on the right side)


You didn't phone ahead to NWS and ATC (as well as your airline) with appropriate arrangements? ;) Thanks very much for the effort. It's nice to see any progress.
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:25 pm

"LOT Polish Airlines in summer 2020 season plans to expand Krakow – Chicago O’Hare service, currently served 3 times weekly. From 01JUN20, overall service will increase to 5 weekly, on board Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner aircraft. "

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... ts-in-s20/

As Ishrion says here:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1431733
"Looks like [LOT are] really going head on with AA's new 5x weekly ORD-KRK service."
Not sure who has the advantage here, but I doubt the market can support 10 weekly flights!

chidino wrote:
yeogeo wrote:
sorry, chidino, no luck with photos of the north side of the field...

You didn't phone ahead to NWS and ATC (as well as your airline) with appropriate arrangements? ;) Thanks very much for the effort. It's nice to see any progress.

:bigthumbsup:
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:28 pm

Ugh! More shuttle buses at O'Hare:
The CTA will suspend Blue Line service between the O’Hare and Rosemont stations for nine days, from 10pm on Friday the 27th September to 4am October 7. Shuttle buses will operate between those stations for that period.

"The service impact is the first of two extended line-cuts planned as part of a $207 million “Your New Blue" project to upgrade the O’Hare branch’s nearly 40-year-old signal system. A second service line-cut will happen next year, the CTA said."

https://www.chicagotribune.com/business ... story.html
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:33 pm

yeogeo wrote:
Ugh! More shuttle buses at O'Hare:
The CTA will suspend Blue Line service between the O’Hare and Rosemont stations for nine days, from 10pm on Friday the 27th September to 4am October 7. Shuttle buses will operate between those stations for that period.

"The service impact is the first of two extended line-cuts planned as part of a $207 million “Your New Blue" project to upgrade the O’Hare branch’s nearly 40-year-old signal system. A second service line-cut will happen next year, the CTA said."

https://www.chicagotribune.com/business ... story.html

I don’t know of any plans but I’d imagine 190 will be expanded sometime in the near future. I’m almost certain there was talk of this happening a few years ago but I think the budget woes may have stalled it.
They definitely need to expand it someway. This “allowing” shoulder riding sometimes is not only confusing but also dangerous. People not only get confused by it but then the people who understand it don’t realize that NB Mannheim to 190 exit merges with the shoulder and people don’t know who is supposed to yield. I’m shocked there’s not more accidents right there, especially with the 294 South exit immediately after that merge.
IDOT really needs to fix this.
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:53 pm

This “allowing” shoulder riding sometimes is not only confusing but also dangerous. People not only get confused by it but then the people who understand it don’t realize that NB Mannheim to 190 exit merges with the shoulder and people don’t know who is supposed to yield. I’m shocked there’s not more accidents right there, especially with the 294 South exit immediately after that merge.
IDOT really needs to fix this.


I could not agree more but I think the chances of 190 being expanded are probably near zero.
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:22 pm

sircygnus wrote:
This “allowing” shoulder riding sometimes is not only confusing but also dangerous. People not only get confused by it but then the people who understand it don’t realize that NB Mannheim to 190 exit merges with the shoulder and people don’t know who is supposed to yield. I’m shocked there’s not more accidents right there, especially with the 294 South exit immediately after that merge.
IDOT really needs to fix this.


I could not agree more but I think the chances of 190 being expanded are probably near zero.


If you look at the bridge embarkments for the railway and Mannheim bridge. It appears that IDOT has left room for road expansion.
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9805233 ... 384!8i8192

When it happens is another story.
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:01 pm

sircygnus wrote:
This “allowing” shoulder riding sometimes is not only confusing but also dangerous. People not only get confused by it but then the people who understand it don’t realize that NB Mannheim to 190 exit merges with the shoulder and people don’t know who is supposed to yield. I’m shocked there’s not more accidents right there, especially with the 294 South exit immediately after that merge.
IDOT really needs to fix this.


I could not agree more but I think the chances of 190 being expanded are probably near zero.


I frequent ORD, BOS, ATL, and LGA often on Monday mornings and the constant traffic to ORD is unbelievable. Two lanes from downtown to ORD is just insufficient. Traffic starts to slow up at 5:15am, if not earlier, and any accident causes unbelievable delays. I left Lincoln Park at 5:20am last Monday and a vehicle fire had traffic backed up almost all the way to Fullerton Ave exit. I don't see how this is sustainable in the near-term.
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:33 pm

I frequent ORD, BOS, ATL, and LGA often on Monday mornings and the constant traffic to ORD is unbelievable. Two lanes from downtown to ORD is just insufficient. Traffic starts to slow up at 5:15am, if not earlier, and any accident causes unbelievable delays. I left Lincoln Park at 5:20am last Monday and a vehicle fire had traffic backed up almost all the way to Fullerton Ave exit. I don't see how this is sustainable in the near-term.


I believe there was another vehicle fire on Kennedy this AM as well that was impacting traffic to Ohare. What you mention is another reason for viable western access to the airport. I’m not necessarily saying a western terminal but instead a way for passengers to enter/exit the airport from the west. Maybe relocate all long term economy parking to west (except spaces at Consolidated Rental Facility)

Maybe there’s a plan for it already
Stage 1 = fix the airport layout
Stage 2= fix the terminal spaces
Stage 3 = fix ingress/ egress to airport.

Not holding my breath for stage 3
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:31 pm

sircygnus wrote:
I frequent ORD, BOS, ATL, and LGA often on Monday mornings and the constant traffic to ORD is unbelievable. Two lanes from downtown to ORD is just insufficient. Traffic starts to slow up at 5:15am, if not earlier, and any accident causes unbelievable delays. I left Lincoln Park at 5:20am last Monday and a vehicle fire had traffic backed up almost all the way to Fullerton Ave exit. I don't see how this is sustainable in the near-term.


I believe there was another vehicle fire on Kennedy this AM as well that was impacting traffic to Ohare. What you mention is another reason for viable western access to the airport. I’m not necessarily saying a western terminal but instead a way for passengers to enter/exit the airport from the west. Maybe relocate all long term economy parking to west (except spaces at Consolidated Rental Facility)

Maybe there’s a plan for it already
Stage 1 = fix the airport layout
Stage 2= fix the terminal spaces
Stage 3 = fix ingress/ egress to airport.

Not holding my breath for stage 3


I know it's like putting a band-aid on a gushing wound, but getting the ATS up and running will at least help slightly reduce volume of traffic by getting less shuttle busses on 190 and in the terminal area. It won't fix the problem, but could lessen the symptoms.

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