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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:40 pm
by yeogeo
yeogeo wrote:
This rare visitor to the Midwest has been called to duty operating between Ontario and Rockford.


gabik001 wrote:
Any tip for how long?


Fancying a trip out to Rockford?
No idea how long she'll continue, and FR24 is only giving that day's schedule. (Today, the 19th, N688SL is scheduled to land at RFD at 10:37).
If I were a betting man I would say she's contracted through the peak Christmas rush, which means she'll be flying back to HNL the day before Christmas, on Christmas or the day after.
Good luck, Gabriel! :camera:

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:47 pm
by Galvan316
When BA retires the 744s, what aircraft will replace them on ORD-LHR?

Will we see A35Ks? 77Ws? A380s or a combo of them?

Just curious :)

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:19 pm
by ual763
yeogeo wrote:
gabik001 wrote:
Any tip for how long?


Fancying a trip out to Rockford?
No idea how long she'll continue, and FR24 is only giving that day's schedule. (Today, the 19th, N688SL is scheduled to land at RFD at 10:37).
If I were a betting man I would say she's contracted through the peak Christmas rush, which means she'll be flying back to HNL the day before Christmas, on Christmas or the day after.
Good luck, Gabriel! :camera:


http://www.flyapa.com/sched.asp?SchedDate=12/19/2019

As of now scheduled through the 21st.

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:44 pm
by SQ317
Galvan316 wrote:
When BA retires the 744s, what aircraft will replace them on ORD-LHR?

Will we see A35Ks? 77Ws? A380s or a combo of them?

Just curious :)


During northern summer I think I'm right in saying they currently operate A380 and ultra-high J 744; to maintain premium capacity this will probably go to A380 and 779. During winter, perhaps some combination of 779 and 772/781

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:53 pm
by Planeboy17
gabik001 wrote:
Any tip for how long?

Just returned from the long drive out there and it was worth it.
Got a few pictures of it on landing. Certainly a rare bird to get unless you live in Hawaii or the Pacific Islands.

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 1:29 am
by gabik001
Planeboy17 wrote:
gabik001 wrote:
Any tip for how long?

Just returned from the long drive out there and it was worth it.
Got a few pictures of it on landing. Certainly a rare bird to get unless you live in Hawaii or the Pacific Islands.

That's why I'm asking because I am planning to catch her sometime around X-mas (I was planning to get there on Dec 24th - its just 50 min drive for me).

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 6:00 pm
by muralir
BNAMealer wrote:
muralir wrote:
I think Crains has it backwards. Growth has slowed due to the terminals (esp T5) bursting at the seams. The runway reconfig reduced runway congestion and so we saw good growth rates for several years until we hit terminal constraints. The reduced growth rate in a good economy gives *more* support to expanding the airport, not less.

I bet you UA would love to expand at ORD, as they're facing significant constraints at EWR. Ideally they probably want to convert EWR into primarily an O&D site, and funnel connecting traffic through IAD, DEN, and ORD. and given that ORD has far more O&D traffic than those other hubs and favorable geography, ORD should be getting more of that expansion if it weren't so difficult to get gate space at T5. Plus, once the OGT is complete and international connections become smoother (none of this towing aircraft and loading people into trains) ORD will definately become more attractive for future international growth.


This is exactly what I was trying to get at. Even with improvements to the runways and the ATS, the congested and functionally obsolete main terminal complex is holding ORD back right now from growth and they need to be expediting the terminal construction so ORD can unlock its full potential. The timeline of the OGT construction concerns me.


While I'd love to see everything done by yesterday, no need to panic :) the terminals *are* being improved even now. Firstly, AA completed the L-stinger gates just about a year ago. That's 5 extra gates that did much to relieve pressure on AA's regional gates. As a result they've been adding small flights, exactly the type you need to fill those big, sexy international flights that we all like to focus on. Secondly, the T5 expansion will add 12 gates. In any other airport that would be a huge expansion just by itself. And it will do much to promote international flights well before the OGT project comes online. And finally, something that shouldn't be overlooked, is that the new lease agreements the airlines signed a couple years ago means gates will be much better utilized. There's no point in building new gates if UA and AA are allowed to just squat on them unused, which is what they often did before. The new use-it-or-lose-it and common-use provisions allow the city to allocate gates much more efficiently. This is easily the equivalent of building another dozen gates.

In all, O'Hare will have increased gate capacity by the equivalent of 25-30 gates *before* the OGT projects even start. That would be a massive expansion on its own anywhere else (even in a big airport like DFW or ATL), and will help keep O'Hare growing until the new concourses are built.

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 6:12 pm
by muralir
yeogeo wrote:
Revised FAA ORD airport diagram released yesterday (5 Dec).
I’ve arranged the previous diagram on left and the now current diagram on right for easier comparison.

Image

Notice on north side of the field changes to Delta taxiway (now nearly complete) and taxiways north of the “scenic hold pad”, including a new holding pad, “Orchard”.

Elsewhere, The deicing pads are now officially the “Central Deicing Facility” and we see additions to pavement and revisions to taxiways both east of T-5 and east of the Southeast Cargo Ramp.

Copying the diagrams as I have has made them a bit blurry - sorry. You may want to consult the originals:

https://aeronav.faa.gov/d-tpp/1913/0016 ... ddest=(ORD)

https://aeronav.faa.gov/d-tpp/1913/comp ... ad_cmp.pdf


I realize I'm hardly an expert airport planner but I always wondered why the city didn't move 22R/4L a little northeast so that it didn't intersect 27L/9R and extend into the terminal space. That would have allowed a full concourse to be built. As it is, in the OGT drawings released, the new concourse is shortened due to the runway sticking right into the middle of where it would go. It seems like it will always cause taxiing complexities as well in the terminal apron.

I imagine it was cost, but was there any other reason not to move that runway while all this other work was being done?

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 6:56 pm
by ORDfan
I was running some errands this morning on the NW side and saw an AA 788 on short final....approach was coming in from the east (heading west). I'm assuming it was on 10L/28R, when the plane turned slight left and looked like it changed approach to 10C/28C. Either that or she wasn't quite on center line for 10L28R to begin with.

This was above right above Oak Park Ave/Austin Ave & Irving Park Rd, so it was gear down and full flaps. Is this possible and has anyone else seen or heard of this happening this late into the approach?

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:44 pm
by ZBA2CGX
Overhead shot of the O'hare and surrounding area
Source
https://images.nasa.gov/details-iss061e067911
High resolution
https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/is ... 1~orig.jpg

looks like the new runways is coming along nicely....

Shamelessly lifted from https://old.reddit.com/r/chicago/commen ... _centered/

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 3:47 am
by gabik001
ual763 wrote:
yeogeo wrote:
gabik001 wrote:
Any tip for how long?


Fancying a trip out to Rockford?
No idea how long she'll continue, and FR24 is only giving that day's schedule. (Today, the 19th, N688SL is scheduled to land at RFD at 10:37).
If I were a betting man I would say she's contracted through the peak Christmas rush, which means she'll be flying back to HNL the day before Christmas, on Christmas or the day after.
Good luck, Gabriel! :camera:


http://www.flyapa.com/sched.asp?SchedDate=12/19/2019

As of now scheduled through the 21st.

Seems like will heading back to HNL on Christmas Eve. Went to RFD today and got her on departure. Weird, with wind 170 degree 10kts departed from rwy 25. I was in the area that will cover both 19 and 25 departures so was lucky enough to catch her. Looks like tomorrow last day so see her during a day at RFD.

And some of you guys might heard that AA donated one MD80 (N501AA) to Lewis University. Arrived today at LOT around 2pm and parked in nice area with good access to see her closer. Will try to take some shots tomorrow.

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 4:21 am
by ual763
gabik001 wrote:
And some of you guys might heard that AA donated one MD80 (N501AA) to Lewis University. Arrived today at LOT around 2pm and parked in nice area with good access to see her closer. Will try to take some shots tomorrow.


Better hurry if you want to see it in the AA livery! Lewis Univ. paints over their donated aircraft in the school colors.

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 4:42 am
by gabik001
ual763 wrote:
gabik001 wrote:
And some of you guys might heard that AA donated one MD80 (N501AA) to Lewis University. Arrived today at LOT around 2pm and parked in nice area with good access to see her closer. Will try to take some shots tomorrow.


Better hurry if you want to see it in the AA livery! Lewis Univ. paints over their donated aircraft in the school colors.

I do not think they gonna do it over this weekend ;)

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 7:07 am
by SRQLOT
gabik001 wrote:
ual763 wrote:
gabik001 wrote:
And some of you guys might heard that AA donated one MD80 (N501AA) to Lewis University. Arrived today at LOT around 2pm and parked in nice area with good access to see her closer. Will try to take some shots tomorrow.


Better hurry if you want to see it in the AA livery! Lewis Univ. paints over their donated aircraft in the school colors.

I do not think they gonna do it over this weekend ;)



What will my alma mater do with the 737-200?? I’m not sure they have space for 2.

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:03 pm
by jetblastdubai
muralir wrote:

I realize I'm hardly an expert airport planner but I always wondered why the city didn't move 22R/4L a little northeast so that it didn't intersect 27L/9R and extend into the terminal space. That would have allowed a full concourse to be built. As it is, in the OGT drawings released, the new concourse is shortened due to the runway sticking right into the middle of where it would go. It seems like it will always cause taxiing complexities as well in the terminal apron.

I imagine it was cost, but was there any other reason not to move that runway while all this other work was being done?


The word "cost" and "O'Hare" should almost never be in the same sentence.

The reason that moving 4L/22R farther northeast isn't considered is because it wouldn't be usable for most operations. If you picked up the entire runway and moved it 1,000' - 2,000' to the NE (preserving the existing length) you would not be able to land on 4L if there were a terminal building build directly below the approach path (clear zone). Additionally, if you needed to land on 22R due to very strong winds, I'm almost certain that the approach would be too low over the Rosemont Horizon/Arena.

I cannot think of any situation where ORD would depart 22R. If, after the runway relocation, you needed to depart 4L, I believe that the Rosemont Horizon/Arena would again be an issue with low, over-flying aircraft. The number of motorists that have a heart attack on the tollway off the departure end of the new 4L would be a drawback as well.

I'm sure there is a good reason for everything done with the airport improvement plan but having worked in the tower there, I (personally) would have rather kept 14L/32R instead of 4L/22R. 14L/32R would provide a long runway alternative during high north or south wind conditions. Much cleaner taxiway layout adjacent to Concourse C and it would eliminate any runway crossings at A3 and eliminating runway crossings is almost always a good thing.

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:18 pm
by wn676
jetblastdubai wrote:
muralir wrote:

I realize I'm hardly an expert airport planner but I always wondered why the city didn't move 22R/4L a little northeast so that it didn't intersect 27L/9R and extend into the terminal space. That would have allowed a full concourse to be built. As it is, in the OGT drawings released, the new concourse is shortened due to the runway sticking right into the middle of where it would go. It seems like it will always cause taxiing complexities as well in the terminal apron.

I imagine it was cost, but was there any other reason not to move that runway while all this other work was being done?


The word "cost" and "O'Hare" should almost never be in the same sentence.

The reason that moving 4L/22R farther northeast isn't considered is because it wouldn't be usable for most operations. If you picked up the entire runway and moved it 1,000' - 2,000' to the NE (preserving the existing length) you would not be able to land on 4L if there were a terminal building build directly below the approach path (clear zone). Additionally, if you needed to land on 22R due to very strong winds, I'm almost certain that the approach would be too low over the Rosemont Horizon/Arena.

I cannot think of any situation where ORD would depart 22R. If, after the runway relocation, you needed to depart 4L, I believe that the Rosemont Horizon/Arena would again be an issue with low, over-flying aircraft. The number of motorists that have a heart attack on the tollway off the departure end of the new 4L would be a drawback as well.

I'm sure there is a good reason for everything done with the airport improvement plan but having worked in the tower there, I (personally) would have rather kept 14L/32R instead of 4L/22R. 14L/32R would provide a long runway alternative during high north or south wind conditions. Much cleaner taxiway layout adjacent to Concourse C and it would eliminate any runway crossings at A3 and eliminating runway crossings is almost always a good thing.


The long term plan for 4L/22R is to use it for departures from 4L and arrivals on 22R only. Eventually you’ll see the markings changed to reflect this.

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:32 pm
by kordcj
Does anyone know the usable runway length from N5 when departing on 28R. Same for DD when departing on 10L?

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:45 pm
by gabik001
SRQLOT wrote:
gabik001 wrote:
ual763 wrote:

Better hurry if you want to see it in the AA livery! Lewis Univ. paints over their donated aircraft in the school colors.

I do not think they gonna do it over this weekend ;)



What will my alma mater do with the 737-200?? I’m not sure they have space for 2.

I am planning to stop by tomorrow morning and will se where she gone... or not.

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 11:06 pm
by TrafficCop
kordcj wrote:
Does anyone know the usable runway length from N5 when departing on 28R. Same for DD when departing on 10L?


TORA's
N5 9650
DD 10050

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 3:37 am
by kordcj
[twoid][/twoid]
TrafficCop wrote:
kordcj wrote:
Does anyone know the usable runway length from N5 when departing on 28R. Same for DD when departing on 10L?


TORA's
N5 9650
DD 10050


Thanks! Was curious to know if it was the same length as the old T10 departure on 32L which I believe was 9800ish.

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:16 pm
by yeogeo
gabik001 wrote:
...some of you guys might heard that AA donated one MD80 (N501AA) to Lewis University. Arrived today at LOT around 2pm and parked in nice area with good access to see her closer. Will try to take some shots tomorrow.


Still in AA paint :biggrin:

from caption: "she was donated by American for aviation maintenance students to further their education. Her ferry flight was the very final flight of an American Airlines MD-82, thus officially ending an iconic era."

...meanwhile, ~20 miles north of LOT, DPA (DuPage) has claimed the title of third busiest in Illinois (which airport has it displaced, I wonder?):
https://www.kcchronicle.com/2019/12/18/ ... s/au2k57s/

According to Wiki, "DuPage Airport sits on 1,200 acres (490 ha) and is the only general aviation airport in Illinois with four active runways, two ILS approaches, a 24-hour FAA air control tower, and over 40 aviation and non-aviation support businesses. DPA also has an on-site U.S. Customs Office."

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 3:00 pm
by ual763
yeogeo wrote:
...meanwhile, ~20 miles north of LOT, DPA (DuPage) has claimed the title of third busiest in Illinois (which airport has it displaced, I wonder?):
https://www.kcchronicle.com/2019/12/18/ ... s/au2k57s/

According to Wiki, "DuPage Airport sits on 1,200 acres (490 ha) and is the only general aviation airport in Illinois with four active runways, two ILS approaches, a 24-hour FAA air control tower, and over 40 aviation and non-aviation support businesses. DPA also has an on-site U.S. Customs Office."


I believe KPWK held the title of 3rd busiest previously.

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 3:56 pm
by yeogeo
jetblastdubai wrote:
I'm sure there is a good reason for everything done with the airport improvement plan but having worked in the tower there, I (personally) would have rather kept 14L/32R instead of 4L/22R. 14L/32R would provide a long runway alternative during high north or south wind conditions. Much cleaner taxiway layout adjacent to Concourse C and it would eliminate any runway crossings at A3 and eliminating runway crossings is almost always a good thing.

Interesting observation, jbd. I think they may miss 14L/32R again, in its current role as SS taxiway, when its eliminated to make room for the satellites.

jetblastdubai wrote:
I cannot think of any situation where ORD would depart 22R. If, after the runway relocation, you needed to depart 4L, I believe that the Rosemont Horizon/Arena would again be an issue with low, over-flying aircraft. The number of motorists that have a heart attack on the tollway off the departure end of the new 4L would be a drawback as well.

:biggrin:

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:52 pm
by jetblastdubai
kordcj wrote:

Thanks! Was curious to know if it was the same length as the old T10 departure on 32L which I believe was 9800ish.


T10 was 8,800' (99% certain)

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:20 pm
by gabik001
yeogeo wrote:
gabik001 wrote:
...some of you guys might heard that AA donated one MD80 (N501AA) to Lewis University. Arrived today at LOT around 2pm and parked in nice area with good access to see her closer. Will try to take some shots tomorrow.


Still in AA paint :biggrin:

from caption: "she was donated by American for aviation maintenance students to further their education. Her ferry flight was the very final flight of an American Airlines MD-82, thus officially ending an iconic era."


Got it from the other side. This was taken just after she was parked when all that were there waiting, were allowed on the airside. I wasn't that lucky today however got nice and clear shots.
Seems like busy cargo days coming to ORD and RFD today and tomorrow... I was a while at the mornig hanging around ORD and got plenty of cargo traffic.

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:14 pm
by jcwr56
Antonov Airlines with the A4F will be having two charters; One tomorrow on the 23rd and the other on the 25th via ORD. Heading down and back to CUN.

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:45 am
by Planeboy17
I had some time today so I perused the UA timetable for Thursday, July 16th to see what changes there are for this summer.
First off, I’m just doing this without any data from last year but it seems like not a lot of up gauging, in fact, if anything, I would guess seats will probably be down from last summer.
The only domestic wide bodies I found were 777s to HNL,OGG,MCO,SFO and DEN. No wides to EWR, IAH, IAD or LAX.
EUG gets upgraded to a 319.
CVG sees an Airbus, I think this is the first time in a long time that there is a mainline on this route.
MYR is a 320. I think that was a 175 last summer but not sure.
PDX has almost as many seats as SEA. 4 739s to 4 738s and 1 739.
LGA goes all Airbus. No more regionals.
MEM has 4 flights and all CRJ2s but ROC has 4 Airbuses. Seems strange that MEM can’t even garner a 550.
No more mainline, or even first class, for MKE and DAY.
DEN has 3 777 flights.
Like I said, just some random thoughts and the schedule may not be finalized but just thought I’d put it out there.

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 5:41 am
by ordpark
Interesting, but it is a little early for summer to be finalized...expect more changes...

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 7:49 am
by Scarebus34
Planeboy17 wrote:
I had some time today so I perused the UA timetable for Thursday, July 16th to see what changes there are for this summer.
First off, I’m just doing this without any data from last year but it seems like not a lot of up gauging, in fact, if anything, I would guess seats will probably be down from last summer.
The only domestic wide bodies I found were 777s to HNL,OGG,MCO,SFO and DEN. No wides to EWR, IAH, IAD or LAX.
EUG gets upgraded to a 319.
CVG sees an Airbus, I think this is the first time in a long time that there is a mainline on this route.
MYR is a 320. I think that was a 175 last summer but not sure.
PDX has almost as many seats as SEA. 4 739s to 4 738s and 1 739.
LGA goes all Airbus. No more regionals.
MEM has 4 flights and all CRJ2s but ROC has 4 Airbuses. Seems strange that MEM can’t even garner a 550.
No more mainline, or even first class, for MKE and DAY.
DEN has 3 777 flights.
Like I said, just some random thoughts and the schedule may not be finalized but just thought I’d put it out there.

CVG has been on and off again mainline for quite awhile now. There was never mainline to DAY.

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:28 pm
by sircygnus
Does anyone know if Runway Usage Reports are still created? I used to see them on a website related to noise in the surrounding communities but haven’t seen them for a while. They were monthly reports that showed arrivals and departures for each individual runway. A second set had the same data but YTD

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:41 pm
by yeogeo
Can anyone explain this bid opportunity email from the CDA?

Image

Taxiways Alpha and Bravo swing around the terminals on the south sides and Kilo3 is south and east of the Central Deicing Facility, but otherwise I'm in the dark.

Image

Best guess: Replacing the south end of what was 14R/32L (now taxiwaySS) with Kilo 3 and involves a bit of Alpha and Bravo?

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:49 pm
by ORDfan
yeogeo wrote:
gabik001 wrote:
...some of you guys might heard that AA donated one MD80 (N501AA) to Lewis University. Arrived today at LOT around 2pm and parked in nice area with good access to see her closer. Will try to take some shots tomorrow.


Still in AA paint :biggrin:

from caption: "she was donated by American for aviation maintenance students to further their education. Her ferry flight was the very final flight of an American Airlines MD-82, thus officially ending an iconic era."

...meanwhile, ~20 miles north of LOT, DPA (DuPage) has claimed the title of third busiest in Illinois (which airport has it displaced, I wonder?):
https://www.kcchronicle.com/2019/12/18/ ... s/au2k57s/

According to Wiki, "DuPage Airport sits on 1,200 acres (490 ha) and is the only general aviation airport in Illinois with four active runways, two ILS approaches, a 24-hour FAA air control tower, and over 40 aviation and non-aviation support businesses. DPA also has an on-site U.S. Customs Office."


This is awesome... I'm glad this last AA MD bird is staying in the Chicagoland area. I wonder if Lewis will make her available to public at all, now or in the future?

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:01 pm
by ORDfan
Planeboy17 wrote:
I had some time today so I perused the UA timetable for Thursday, July 16th to see what changes there are for this summer.
First off, I’m just doing this without any data from last year but it seems like not a lot of up gauging, in fact, if anything, I would guess seats will probably be down from last summer.
The only domestic wide bodies I found were 777s to HNL,OGG,MCO,SFO and DEN. No wides to EWR, IAH, IAD or LAX.
EUG gets upgraded to a 319.
CVG sees an Airbus, I think this is the first time in a long time that there is a mainline on this route.
MYR is a 320. I think that was a 175 last summer but not sure.
PDX has almost as many seats as SEA. 4 739s to 4 738s and 1 739.
LGA goes all Airbus. No more regionals.
MEM has 4 flights and all CRJ2s but ROC has 4 Airbuses. Seems strange that MEM can’t even garner a 550.
No more mainline, or even first class, for MKE and DAY.
DEN has 3 777 flights.
Like I said, just some random thoughts and the schedule may not be finalized but just thought I’d put it out there.


I'm glad to see that about the PDX seats and hope it sticks. I've noticed historically fares to PDX have been 15-25% higher than to SEA, SFO, or LAX, and would like to see these fares work lower. While I'm making requests, I'd also like to see UA offer service to MFR, or at the very least, make RDM year-round. I'd venture to say MFR should be a priority over RDM, since Medford metro CSA is bigger and growing fast with all the NoCal transplants relocating.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

October data posted by the CDA. Contrary to some of recent Crain's reports,Y-o-y growth still looks intact and sure while 1.5% is slower than last year, it's still net positive and for such a mature market, impressive.

https://www.flychicago.com/SiteCollecti ... UMMARY.pdf

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 11:04 pm
by yeogeo
O'Hare aircraft art.

Thankyou Bill Wang! That's a beauty!

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 11:20 pm
by yeogeo
jcwr56 wrote:
Antonov Airlines with the A4F will be having two charters; One tomorrow on the 23rd and the other on the 25th via ORD. Heading down and back to CUN.

During daylight, I hope? And somebody's out there getting a shot, right? Don't get Soviet birds in the ORD database very often.

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 11:30 pm
by yeogeo
ORDfan wrote:
October data posted by the CDA. Contrary to some of recent Crain's reports,Y-o-y growth still looks intact and sure while 1.5% is slower than last year, it's still net positive and for such a mature market, impressive.

https://www.flychicago.com/SiteCollecti ... UMMARY.pdf


12 :shock: % increase y/y for domestic cargo operator!
explination?

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:52 am
by gabik001
yeogeo wrote:
jcwr56 wrote:
Antonov Airlines with the A4F will be having two charters; One tomorrow on the 23rd and the other on the 25th via ORD. Heading down and back to CUN.

During daylight, I hope? And somebody's out there getting a shot, right? Don't get Soviet birds in the ORD database very often.

Seems like inbound to ORD from CPH is ADB245F and ETA 00:35 so it will be 12/24. A/c is UR-82027.
Hopefully way back will be stop during a day...

About Soviet heavy metal there were plenty of diferent models at ORD. From rare birds I got IL-62 (Russia - Dept of Transportation), Tu-154 (Slovakia Government), An-12 (Cavok) also more frequent An-124 (Polet, Volda-Dnepr, ADB) and IL-76 (Volga-Dnepr). In 2007 I missed (just went too late to ORD) Ukrainian Govt Tu-134 (just saw her sneaking to rwy 27L when was on my way to ORD). Only Tu-154 uploaded to d/b.

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 2:32 am
by yeogeo
gabik001 wrote:
yeogeo wrote:
jcwr56 wrote:
Antonov Airlines with the A4F will be having two charters; One tomorrow on the 23rd and the other on the 25th via ORD. Heading down and back to CUN.

During daylight, I hope? And somebody's out there getting a shot, right? Don't get Soviet birds in the ORD database very often.

Seems like inbound to ORD from CPH is ADB245F and ETA 00:35 so it will be 12/24. A/c is UR-82027.
Hopefully way back will be stop during a day...

About Soviet heavy metal there were plenty of diferent models at ORD. From rare birds I got IL-62 (Russia - Dept of Transportation), Tu-154 (Slovakia Government), An-12 (Cavok) also more frequent An-124 (Polet, Volda-Dnepr, ADB) and IL-76 (Volga-Dnepr). In 2007 I missed (just went too late to ORD) Ukrainian Govt Tu-134 (just saw her sneaking to rwy 27L when was on my way to ORD). Only Tu-154 uploaded to d/b.


I've never been lucky enough to see an example at O'Hare in many years of flying in and out...

Here's UR-82027 (in Toulouse Blagnac):

Keep an eye open!

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 2:41 am
by gabik001
I got alert set on FR24 for every soviet heavy metal that enters north american territory (some of them just when close to the midwest). This gives me some time to get home, pick my photo backpack and set posistion at the airport (just 10min drive to farthest point). I hope to get her tomorrow morning on departure (no ETD yet) or on Dec 25 on her way back.

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 3:00 am
by yeogeo
What's up with UPS9804 flying RFD-ORD tonight? (767 N314UP) Doesn't seem to be a diversion. Is this a regular thing?

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 3:15 am
by gabik001
yeogeo wrote:
What's up with UPS9804 flying RFD-ORD tonight? (767 N314UP) Doesn't seem to be a diversion. Is this a regular thing?

It might be repositioning flight. On Sunday FX MD-11 flown MKE-ORD. It will be more flights like this tonight and tomorrow. I'm always looking for something interesting near X-mas.

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 4:50 am
by emcm541
Just an fyi, looks like some landings on 4R tonight.

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 5:36 am
by gabik001
emcm541 wrote:
Just an fyi, looks like some landings on 4R tonight.

Departures from10C and 4L. Saw FX A30F on FR24 doing weird approach then go around and finally landed on 4R.
RFD receiving a lot of UPS's tonight. Actually now nine UPS's descending to RFD along with one WGN (UPS charter) and Asia Pacific (final flight I think). All will land in next 45 min. Busy there...

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 2:20 pm
by Crosswind787
Why isnt 4R used for landing more often like it used to be? It doesn't intersect any other runways, provides an alternate approach path that is over 294 (which is good for noise abatement) and could be used simultaneously with 10C landings. Seems like its only used for runway noise rotation occasionally. 22L still gets used for departures regularly but why not 4R?

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 4:29 pm
by CleSyrRoc
YeoGeo, I don't know the specifics, but that almost has to be the preliminary work for the new global terminal and satelite facilities. Check out the link below, pages 18 and 20. You will see slides that involve the relocation of A and B to the west. Obviously A and B are important for the operational flow of the airfield. Relocating them will move them out of the construction area for the new global terminal. I don't see K4 in the drawings below, but probably something related.

http://www.theconf.com/presentations/20 ... unways.pdf

It's good to see movement on this now, its a substantial project in its own right that needs to go before construction can start on the new terminal.

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:22 pm
by gabik001
yeogeo wrote:
gabik001 wrote:
yeogeo wrote:
During daylight, I hope? And somebody's out there getting a shot, right? Don't get Soviet birds in the ORD database very often.

Seems like inbound to ORD from CPH is ADB245F and ETA 00:35 so it will be 12/24. A/c is UR-82027.
Hopefully way back will be stop during a day...

About Soviet heavy metal there were plenty of diferent models at ORD. From rare birds I got IL-62 (Russia - Dept of Transportation), Tu-154 (Slovakia Government), An-12 (Cavok) also more frequent An-124 (Polet, Volda-Dnepr, ADB) and IL-76 (Volga-Dnepr). In 2007 I missed (just went too late to ORD) Ukrainian Govt Tu-134 (just saw her sneaking to rwy 27L when was on my way to ORD). Only Tu-154 uploaded to d/b.


I've never been lucky enough to see an example at O'Hare in many years of flying in and out...

Here's UR-82027 (in Toulouse Blagnac):

Keep an eye open!

ETD moved twice and finally departed around 9.30am from (hold your jaw) 28C! I was around ORD to get some nice foggy shots but fog was too thick and you can see just a/c shape on the picture but no details even if you were under the flight path. And I saw its just light up on FR24 so I run pretty quick to the Hills. Fog was slowly dropping and when she rotate no fog at all. She banked left just after departure so I got nice top shots.

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:29 pm
by yeogeo
CleSyrRoc wrote:
YeoGeo, I don't know the specifics, but that almost has to be the preliminary work for the new global terminal and satelite facilities. Check out the link below, pages 18 and 20. You will see slides that involve the relocation of A and B to the west. Obviously A and B are important for the operational flow of the airfield. Relocating them will move them out of the construction area for the new global terminal. I don't see K4 in the drawings below, but probably something related.

http://www.theconf.com/presentations/20 ... unways.pdf

It's good to see movement on this now, its a substantial project in its own right that needs to go before construction can start on the new terminal.


I see what you're saying - the Project is well west of SS. Very interesting!
That's an excellent link - The graphics on pp 4, 12 and 16 are very helpful also :thumbsup:

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:39 pm
by yeogeo
gabik001 wrote:
yeogeo wrote:
gabik001 wrote:
Seems like inbound to ORD from CPH is ADB245F and ETA 00:35 so it will be 12/24. A/c is UR-82027.
Hopefully way back will be stop during a day...

About Soviet heavy metal there were plenty of diferent models at ORD. From rare birds I got IL-62 (Russia - Dept of Transportation), Tu-154 (Slovakia Government), An-12 (Cavok) also more frequent An-124 (Polet, Volda-Dnepr, ADB) and IL-76 (Volga-Dnepr). In 2007 I missed (just went too late to ORD) Ukrainian Govt Tu-134 (just saw her sneaking to rwy 27L when was on my way to ORD). Only Tu-154 uploaded to d/b.


I've never been lucky enough to see an example at O'Hare in many years of flying in and out...

Here's UR-82027 (in Toulouse Blagnac):

Keep an eye open!

ETD moved twice and finally departed around 9.30am from (hold your jaw) 28C! I was around ORD to get some nice foggy shots but fog was too thick and you can see just a/c shape on the picture but no details even if you were under the flight path. And I saw its just light up on FR24 so I run pretty quick to the Hills. Fog was slowly dropping and when she rotate no fog at all. She banked left just after departure so I got nice top shots.


:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

28C - huh! - guess she's got to be different in all respects

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:47 pm
by ual763
Flew out of ORD late last night on my way to CWA. Got to takeoff on 4L for the first time in a long time. Even saw an SAS A330 takeoff from 4L before us. Not too often where the heavy departures depart 4L. Must’ve been lightly loaded.

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:49 pm
by yeogeo
As if there aren't enough projects to keep up about around here -- 4L/22R is due for a mill and an overlay

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How much pain on operations do these things involve?