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Re: Washington State Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:58 pm

It looks like WN's SEA-BNA and SEA-MKE flights are both returning, according to their most recent schedule update, albeit both are only Saturday-only. SEA-BNA in the summer and SEA-MKE in the fall.
 
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Re: Washington State Thread - 2019

Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:56 pm

SEA's 2018 stats have been released. They reached 49,849,520 pax, a 5.8% growth compared to 2018. Crazy to think that SEA started the decade with 31 million and will almost certainly end it with 50!
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Re: Washington State Thread - 2019

Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:48 pm

SEA LFs, October '18 domestic and July '18 international:

Domestic:
AS: 85.03
AA: 82.98
DL: 85.83
F9: 86.67
HA: 94.38
B6: 83.74
WN: 83.31
NK: 74.88
SY: 82.52
UA: 86.78

Int'l:
AS: 87.51
DL: 84.30
EI: 75.73 19% drop compared to June. Interesting.
AM: 85.91
AC: 84.37
NH: 86.61
OZ: 81.26
BA: 86.48
AF: 78.76 A similar drop to EI (14%), although slightly less bad. Is June just a bigger month for travel to Europe than July?
Y4: 82.44
DE: 95.79
EK: 94.43
BR: 91.81
HU: 85.58
FI: 76.55
KE: 92.49
LH: 88.88
DY: 88.86
MT: 83.99
VS: 83.17
MF: 71.97
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Re: Washington State Thread - 2019

Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:41 pm

717atOGG wrote:
SEA LFs, October '18 domestic and July '18 international:

Domestic:
AS: 85.03
AA: 82.98
DL: 85.83
F9: 86.67
HA: 94.38
B6: 83.74
WN: 83.31
NK: 74.88
SY: 82.52
UA: 86.78

Int'l:
AS: 87.51
DL: 84.30
EI: 75.73 19% drop compared to June. Interesting.
AM: 85.91
AC: 84.37
NH: 86.61
OZ: 81.26
BA: 86.48
AF: 78.76 A similar drop to EI (14%), although slightly less bad. Is June just a bigger month for travel to Europe than July?
Y4: 82.44
DE: 95.79
EK: 94.43
BR: 91.81
HU: 85.58
FI: 76.55
KE: 92.49
LH: 88.88
DY: 88.86
MT: 83.99
VS: 83.17
MF: 71.97

Hmmm - July was a very good month for KE and EK - both well above their average LF's
To answer your June/July question, not sure about travel to Europe from Seattle - but July should be "prime time" for leisure travel to Seattle. Maybe it's business travel that was off from the previous month?
 
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Re: Washington State Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:58 pm

717atOGG wrote:
SEA LFs, October '18 domestic and July '18 international:

Domestic:
AS: 85.03
AA: 82.98
DL: 85.83
F9: 86.67
HA: 94.38
B6: 83.74
WN: 83.31
NK: 74.88
SY: 82.52
UA: 86.78

Int'l:
AS: 87.51
DL: 84.30
EI: 75.73 19% drop compared to June. Interesting.
AM: 85.91
AC: 84.37
NH: 86.61
OZ: 81.26
BA: 86.48
AF: 78.76 A similar drop to EI (14%), although slightly less bad. Is June just a bigger month for travel to Europe than July?
Y4: 82.44
DE: 95.79
EK: 94.43
BR: 91.81
HU: 85.58
FI: 76.55
KE: 92.49
LH: 88.88
DY: 88.86
MT: 83.99
VS: 83.17
MF: 71.97


This year, you'll be adding at least two (maybe 3 depending on data timing) to your International list this year!
 
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Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:05 pm

I'm assuming the two (or three) to which you are referring are JL, CX, and SQ.

I'm curious, since there are folks on this board far more knowledgeable than I am: There have been several other "teasers" (for lack of a better word) about other potential new entrants into SEA, among those being PR (mentioned most frequently), TG, TK, and QF.

A local travel agent whose agency serves the company for which I work and who is sometimes quoted in local travel-related news stories because of his expertise, is of the opinion that PR and QF are probably next in line, though not necessarily in 2019.

Thoughts and opinions, anyone?
 
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Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:28 pm

SeaTacFan wrote:
I'm assuming the two (or three) to which you are referring are JL, CX, and SQ.

I'm curious, since there are folks on this board far more knowledgeable than I am: There have been several other "teasers" (for lack of a better word) about other potential new entrants into SEA, among those being PR (mentioned most frequently), TG, TK, and QF.

A local travel agent whose agency serves the company for which I work and who is sometimes quoted in local travel-related news stories because of his expertise, is of the opinion that PR and QF are probably next in line, though not necessarily in 2019.

Thoughts and opinions, anyone?


Yes...I was referring to JL (recommencing on 3/31), CX (commencing on 4/1) and SQ (commencing on 9/3).

The most recent rumors have been PR to MNL and Hainan to X'ian. I haven't heard anything regarding QF, TG or even MH for quite a while.

Norwegian will return to SEA next month. I believe Thomas Cook will return in May/June to MAN.

Anything else?
 
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Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:45 am

wedgetail737 wrote:
SeaTacFan wrote:
I'm assuming the two (or three) to which you are referring are JL, CX, and SQ.

I'm curious, since there are folks on this board far more knowledgeable than I am: There have been several other "teasers" (for lack of a better word) about other potential new entrants into SEA, among those being PR (mentioned most frequently), TG, TK, and QF.

A local travel agent whose agency serves the company for which I work and who is sometimes quoted in local travel-related news stories because of his expertise, is of the opinion that PR and QF are probably next in line, though not necessarily in 2019.

Thoughts and opinions, anyone?


Yes...I was referring to JL (recommencing on 3/31), CX (commencing on 4/1) and SQ (commencing on 9/3).

The most recent rumors have been PR to MNL and Hainan to X'ian. I haven't heard anything regarding QF, TG or even MH for quite a while.

Norwegian will return to SEA next month. I believe Thomas Cook will return in May/June to MAN.

Anything else?

How is MF doing in Seattle? I know there LF% have been considerably lower than other long-haul SEA flights. Is their SEA operation subsidized?
 
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Re: Washington State Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:09 am

FA9295 wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
SeaTacFan wrote:
I'm assuming the two (or three) to which you are referring are JL, CX, and SQ.

I'm curious, since there are folks on this board far more knowledgeable than I am: There have been several other "teasers" (for lack of a better word) about other potential new entrants into SEA, among those being PR (mentioned most frequently), TG, TK, and QF.

A local travel agent whose agency serves the company for which I work and who is sometimes quoted in local travel-related news stories because of his expertise, is of the opinion that PR and QF are probably next in line, though not necessarily in 2019.

Thoughts and opinions, anyone?


Yes...I was referring to JL (recommencing on 3/31), CX (commencing on 4/1) and SQ (commencing on 9/3).

The most recent rumors have been PR to MNL and Hainan to X'ian. I haven't heard anything regarding QF, TG or even MH for quite a while.

Norwegian will return to SEA next month. I believe Thomas Cook will return in May/June to MAN.

Anything else?

How is MF doing in Seattle? I know there LF% have been considerably lower than other long-haul SEA flights. Is their SEA operation subsidized?

I've heard that SZX-SEA is subsidized, but I don't know the specifics about it. Their LFs have slightly increased over the years since it started, although it's still a laggard compared to the rest of SEA's intercontinental routes. The route happened due to Shenzhen's mayor visiting Seattle in 2014, and incidentally, I discovered that the two cities have biomedical research ties, so while I'm not entirely certain, there may be a corporate contract or two helping to support it.

http://murray.seattle.gov/murray-announ ... -research/
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Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:45 pm

OAG updates week of 2/3:

AA JFK-SEA MAY 3>1.9[1.0]
AA PHX-SEA MAY 4>3[4]
AS ANC-SEA SEP 16>17[16] OCT 13>14[13] NOV 13>14[12]
AS PHX-SEA SEP 5>6[5] OCT 5>6[5]
AS SAT-SEA NOV 1.1>1.4[1.0]
AS SEA-SFO SEP 12>13[11] OCT 12>13[11] NOV 14>13[14]
AS SEA-SJC NOV 10>8[10]
AS SEA-YEG NOV 1.5>2[1.6]
B6 ANC-SEA SEP 0.1>0.5[0.5]
B6 BOS-SEA SEP 0.2>1.9[2] OCT 0>1.5[1.9]
B6 JFK-SEA SEP 0.2>1.9[2.0] OCT 0>1.5[1.7]
B6 LGB-SEA SEP 0.2>2[1.1] OCT 0>1.7[1.0]
UA IAD-SEA SEP 3>4[3]
WN BOI-GEG AUG 0.3>1.7[1.8] SEP 0>1.7[1.6]
WN GEG-LAS AUG 0.3>2[2] SEP 0>2[2.0]
WN GEG-OAK AUG 0.3>2[2] SEP 0>2.0[1.9]
WN GEG-SAN AUG 0.2>1.0[0] SEP 0>1.0[0.1]
WN OAK-SEA AUG 1.1>7[7] OCT 0>0.2[6]
WN SAN-SEA AUG 0.3>1.3[1.2] SEP 0>1.2[1.0]
WN SEA-SMF AUG 0.9>6[6] SEP 0>6[5] OCT 0>0.2[5]

Notes:
-Disregard the October schedule for B6 and WN, the month wasn't fully loaded so the numbers are wonky.
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Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:53 am

Apologies if this is old news, according to AS's website, PUW (Pullman, WA) airport will be closed for runway improvements: https://www.alaskaair.com/content/advis ... e_Advisory

Between September 8-October 10, 2019, Pullman Moscow Regional (PUW) airport will be closed for runway improvement work.

We will not be operating flights to or from Pullman during the closure. If you're planning a trip at that time, we recommend booking travel through Spokane International Airport (GEG) instead.

We'll have more information to share as the closure approaches, so be sure to check back here for updates.

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How long ago was this announced? This is the first that I've heard of such a development. It'll be very inconvenient for those in Pullman to have to drive up to Spokane for flights.
 
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:56 pm

I think the closure at PUW is for the new runway being finished and opened.
 
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Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:10 am

Aer Lingus DUB-SEA is going 5x weekly this summer: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... ce-in-s19/

Extra flight will be on Thursdays. Glad to see this route doing well.
 
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Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:19 am

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I think the closure at PUW is for the new runway being finished and opened.


Correct...closure will be for 2 months...September and October 2019. Extending the runway by 400', and adding/modifying taxiways to accommodate the longer runway.
 
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Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:19 am

Dash8Driver16 wrote:
I think the closure at PUW is for the new runway being finished and opened.


Correct...closure will be for 2 months...September and October 2019. Extending the runway by 400', and adding/modifying taxiways to accommodate the longer runway.
 
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Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:33 pm

N174UA wrote:
Dash8Driver16 wrote:
I think the closure at PUW is for the new runway being finished and opened.


Correct...closure will be for 2 months...September and October 2019. Extending the runway by 400', and adding/modifying taxiways to accommodate the longer runway.


It's too bad that AS/QX shut down LWS prior to the runway closure. I guess travelers will have to go through GEG.
 
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Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:34 pm

FA9295 wrote:
Aer Lingus DUB-SEA is going 5x weekly this summer: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... ce-in-s19/

Extra flight will be on Thursdays. Glad to see this route doing well.


I've noticed this winter season that some of the SEA-DUB flights have been on A330-300's.
 
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Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:33 pm

As it turns out, SEA-KIX will be seasonal, according to this DL/SEA updates newsletter. Makes sense, since AC can't make YVR-KIX work year-round either, and hey, seasonal is better than nothing, right?

http://deltaupandaway.com/sea-winter-2019/5/
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Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:23 pm

717atOGG wrote:
As it turns out, SEA-KIX will be seasonal, according to this DL/SEA updates newsletter. Makes sense, since AC can't make YVR-KIX work year-round either, and hey, seasonal is better than nothing, right?

http://deltaupandaway.com/sea-winter-2019/5/



Fair enough, but DL has kicked SEA-KIX to the curb before and it's very much the kind of route you'd want to see some performance out of if you're advertising SEA as your TPAC hub--particularly in the face of drawing down at NRT. SQ, CX and JL are entering the market this year and I don't think it's due to Seattle suddenly being the place to be. DL botched their game plan here and their comptitors are making their moves
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Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:32 pm

gunsontheroof wrote:
717atOGG wrote:
As it turns out, SEA-KIX will be seasonal, according to this DL/SEA updates newsletter. Makes sense, since AC can't make YVR-KIX work year-round either, and hey, seasonal is better than nothing, right?

http://deltaupandaway.com/sea-winter-2019/5/



Fair enough, but DL has kicked SEA-KIX to the curb before and it's very much the kind of route you'd want to see some performance out of if you're advertising SEA as your TPAC hub--particularly in the face of drawing down at NRT. SQ, CX and JL are entering the market this year and I don't think it's due to Seattle suddenly being the place to be. DL botched their game plan here and their comptitors are making their moves


It definitely does seem like AS with its global competitors, are solidifying themselves against DL.
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Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:44 am

BA wrote:
gunsontheroof wrote:
717atOGG wrote:
As it turns out, SEA-KIX will be seasonal, according to this DL/SEA updates newsletter. Makes sense, since AC can't make YVR-KIX work year-round either, and hey, seasonal is better than nothing, right?

http://deltaupandaway.com/sea-winter-2019/5/



Fair enough, but DL has kicked SEA-KIX to the curb before and it's very much the kind of route you'd want to see some performance out of if you're advertising SEA as your TPAC hub--particularly in the face of drawing down at NRT. SQ, CX and JL are entering the market this year and I don't think it's due to Seattle suddenly being the place to be. DL botched their game plan here and their comptitors are making their moves


It definitely does seem like AS with its global competitors, are solidifying themselves against DL.

True, DL doesn't seem to have much trouble filling its planes (yields notwithstanding, but that isn't just a DL problem), but their route portfolio has shrunk slightly. If they end up introducing their A339 out of SEA like rumors have suggested, that'd make things even more interesting, since it'd be a not-insignificant capacity jump over a 763. While I'm not projecting doom and gloom for DL at SEA per se, I think that the new entrants and capacity increases could potentially make life tougher for them internationally here.
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Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:10 am

717atOGG wrote:
BA wrote:
gunsontheroof wrote:


Fair enough, but DL has kicked SEA-KIX to the curb before and it's very much the kind of route you'd want to see some performance out of if you're advertising SEA as your TPAC hub--particularly in the face of drawing down at NRT. SQ, CX and JL are entering the market this year and I don't think it's due to Seattle suddenly being the place to be. DL botched their game plan here and their comptitors are making their moves


It definitely does seem like AS with its global competitors, are solidifying themselves against DL.

True, DL doesn't seem to have much trouble filling its planes (yields notwithstanding, but that isn't just a DL problem), but their route portfolio has shrunk slightly. If they end up introducing their A339 out of SEA like rumors have suggested, that'd make things even more interesting, since it'd be a not-insignificant capacity jump over a 763. While I'm not projecting doom and gloom for DL at SEA per se, I think that the new entrants and capacity increases could potentially make life tougher for them internationally here.


When the economy decides to turn south and air travel slumps significantly, will DL stay with SEA? Somehow, I don't think so.
 
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Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:59 am

Or SEA may be one of the spokes some of the international carriers drop first. None of us know how the planning works in a recession.
 
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Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:07 am

Prost wrote:
Or SEA may be one of the spokes some of the international carriers drop first. None of us know how the planning works in a recession.



Agreed. We'll just have to see what happens.
 
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Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:26 pm

OAG updates week of 2/10:

AS PDX-SEA JUL 19>18[25]
AS SEA-SJC JUN 7>8[7] JUL 7>8[7] AUG 7>8[7]
AS SEA-STS JUN 1.8>1.0[2] JUL 2>1.5[2]
DL PSC-SEA JUN 3>4[3] JUL 3>4[3] AUG 3>4[3] SEP 3>4[3] OCT 3>4[3] NOV 3>4[3]
DL SEA-YYJ JUN 3>2[3] JUL 3>2[3] AUG 3>1.9[3] SEP 3>1.6[3] OCT 3>2[3] NOV 3>2.0[3]
G4 BLI-TUS MAY 0.3>0[0] JUN 0.3>0[0] JUL 0.3>0[0]
SY MSP-SEA AUG 1.2>1.9[3] SEP 0>0.2[1.3]
UA LAX-SEA JUN 2>3[2]

Notes:
-G4 BLI-TUS going seasonal.
-UA adding another frequency on LAX-SEA, although they actually have between 2 and 4 flights depending on day of week.
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Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:12 pm

AS announced their initial 737 MAX 9 routes from SEA, which will commence this summer:

Seattle – Los Angeles eff 15JUL19 1 daily AS310/465 (2nd daily AS400/351 from 15AUG19)
Seattle – San Diego eff 15AUG19 1 daily AS482/539
Seattle – San Jose CA eff 15JUL19 1 daily AS344/319


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-20190210

I wonder if these planes will fly the same routes as the existing 739 fleet, or if they'll eventually take over some of the longer transcons and HI flights, where the 737NG and A320 has struggled at times during the winter months.
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:21 pm

SEA LFs, November '18 domestic and August '18 international:

Domestic:
AS: 86.86
AA: 85.64
DL: 87.68
F9: 90.08
HA: 93.98
B6: 86.27
WN: 84.52
NK: 85.09
SY: 75.88
UA: 89.47

Int'l:
AS: 91.63
DL: 89.36
EI: 90.77
AM: 84.42
AC: 95.85
NH: 86.29
OZ: Data wasn't available for this month, for some reason.
BA: 89.45
AF: 89.81
Y4: 81.52
DE: 96.80
EK: 96.76
EW: 50.14
BR: 95.98
HU: 95.44
FI: 86.36
KE: 92.16
LH: 95.57
DY: 91.02
MT: 90.06
VS: 88.82
MF: 66.68
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Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:49 pm

Between Spokane and Los Angeles on Delta. I have never seen mainline used. Why hasn't the market grown?
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:59 pm

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Between Spokane and Los Angeles on Delta. I have never seen mainline used. Why hasn't the market grown?


I think the direct flight is a way for DL to get a plane out of LAX that would otherwise be RONing at LAX. There is probably not enough direct demand for more than the one daily flight. DL can serve the route with sufficient capacity through SLC or SEA.
 
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Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:24 pm

OAG updates week of 2/17:

AS ALW-SEA SEP 2>3[2] OCT 2>3[2]
AS DEN-SEA SEP 5>6[5] OCT 5>6[4]
AS GEG-SEA SEP 15>16[14] OCT 15>16[15]
AS KOA-SEA SEP 2>1.4[1.2]
AS KTN-SEA OCT 3>4[3]
AS MSY-SEA OCT 1.0>2.0[1.1] NOV 1.0>2[1.0]
AS PVR-SEA OCT 0.4>0.5[0.4]
AS SEA-YEG SEP 2>3[2] OCT 2>3[2.0] NOV 2>3[1.6]
AS SEA-YLW SEP 2>1.0[1.9] OCT 2>1.0[2]
G4 ANC-BLI AUG 0.1>0.3[0]
G4 BLI-LAS AUG 0.9>2[2] NOV 0>0.9[1.9]
G4 BLI-PSP NOV 0>0.2[0.5]
G4 BLI-TUS OCT 0>0.3[0]
NK DFW-SEA SEP 0.1>1.0[0.2] OCT 0>1.0[0] NOV 0>0.4[0]
NK LAS-SEA SEP 0.5>4[3] NOV 0>1.5[3]
UA SEA-SFO AUG 9>10[11]

Notes:
-NK extended SEA-DFW past the summer. Could it eventually go year-round?
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Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:59 pm

Pasco - San Francisco now departs in the morning on United Express.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SKW ... /KPSC/KSFO
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:04 pm

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-NK extended SEA-DFW past the summer. Could it eventually go year-round?

When they operated PDX-DFW, I believe it was always year-round. Perhaps they're having better luck in Seattle. NK's strategy has always been to enter very crowded markets in hopes of stealing other airline's customers with much cheaper prices.
 
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Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:45 pm

Also I noticed that Vancouver, BC is the #1 International Airport route. YVR has way better International Air Service than Seattle. I would think Seattle would have better International Air Service.
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:20 pm

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Also I noticed that Vancouver, BC is the #1 International Airport route. YVR has way better International Air Service than Seattle. I would think Seattle would have better International Air Service.

Yeah, it's interesting. Although I don't know the exact specifics of it, I think that Canadians travel abroad for vacations more frequently than US residents, and the large population of people of Asian descent means more flights to Asia. A glaring example of this is HKG, where CX/AC/HX have 4-5 flights a day to YVR, compared to 1 to SEA from CX. SEA handles 2x as much pax yearly as YVR though due to its much larger amount of domestic flights.
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Re: Washington State Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:52 pm

dc10lover wrote:
Also I noticed that Vancouver, BC is the #1 International Airport route. YVR has way better International Air Service than Seattle. I would think Seattle would have better International Air Service.


Really? SEA is pretty loaded for the size of the market. What do you think it's missing?

I've said this a million times over the years, but you can't compare SEA to YVR just because they're close to each other. YVR is Canada's only west coast point of entry, SEA is the United States' third-largest. Being in different countries makes a huge difference--YVR is always going to see more international action than SEA.
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Re: Washington State Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:48 am

gunsontheroof wrote:
dc10lover wrote:
Also I noticed that Vancouver, BC is the #1 International Airport route. YVR has way better International Air Service than Seattle. I would think Seattle would have better International Air Service.


Really? SEA is pretty loaded for the size of the market. What do you think it's missing?

I've said this a million times over the years, but you can't compare SEA to YVR just because they're close to each other. YVR is Canada's only west coast point of entry, SEA is the United States' third-largest. Being in different countries makes a huge difference--YVR is always going to see more international action than SEA.


Exactly. YVR is to Canada what LAX/SFO are to the U.S.
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Re: Washington State Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:06 am

gunsontheroof wrote:
dc10lover wrote:
Also I noticed that Vancouver, BC is the #1 International Airport route. YVR has way better International Air Service than Seattle. I would think Seattle would have better International Air Service.


Really? SEA is pretty loaded for the size of the market. What do you think it's missing?

I've said this a million times over the years, but you can't compare SEA to YVR just because they're close to each other. YVR is Canada's only west coast point of entry, SEA is the United States' third-largest. Being in different countries makes a huge difference--YVR is always going to see more international action than SEA.


SEA doesn't have the capacity for YVR's level of overseas traffic. SEA can't handle the overseas traffic it has now!
 
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Re: Washington State Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:58 am

wedgetail737 wrote:
gunsontheroof wrote:
dc10lover wrote:
Also I noticed that Vancouver, BC is the #1 International Airport route. YVR has way better International Air Service than Seattle. I would think Seattle would have better International Air Service.


Really? SEA is pretty loaded for the size of the market. What do you think it's missing?

I've said this a million times over the years, but you can't compare SEA to YVR just because they're close to each other. YVR is Canada's only west coast point of entry, SEA is the United States' third-largest. Being in different countries makes a huge difference--YVR is always going to see more international action than SEA.


SEA doesn't have the capacity for YVR's level of overseas traffic. SEA can't handle the overseas traffic it has now!


Well, that's also a factor, but what I was getting at is that I don't really know what SEA is missing internationally at this point. By the end of the year, pretty much every heavy hitter outside of QF, NZ and TK will be here. Outside of those two, there aren't really any gaps in the route map that anyone would seriously think about filling. Latin America beyond Mexico (except MAYBE PTY) is a non-starter, the likes of BKK, MNL and SGN are money pits and there really isn't an argument to be made for Africa/additional Middle East services. I'm banking on our next international add being YUL at some point in the next year or so, but beyond that, could be crickets around here for awhile...
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Re: Washington State Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:17 pm

BA wrote:
gunsontheroof wrote:
dc10lover wrote:
Also I noticed that Vancouver, BC is the #1 International Airport route. YVR has way better International Air Service than Seattle. I would think Seattle would have better International Air Service.


Really? SEA is pretty loaded for the size of the market. What do you think it's missing?

I've said this a million times over the years, but you can't compare SEA to YVR just because they're close to each other. YVR is Canada's only west coast point of entry, SEA is the United States' third-largest. Being in different countries makes a huge difference--YVR is always going to see more international action than SEA.


Exactly. YVR is to Canada what LAX/SFO are to the U.S.


And also its Miami and Arizona (warmest spot in the country in the winter) LOL
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Re: Washington State Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:31 am

AS is adding a daily mainline frequency on SEA-RNO starting this July. Does anyone know when the last time this route saw mainline, if ever, was?

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-17feb19/
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Re: Washington State Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:43 am

717atOGG wrote:
AS is adding a daily mainline frequency on SEA-RNO starting this July. Does anyone know when the last time this route saw mainline, if ever, was?

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-17feb19/


It was mainline when it started in the 90’s, I believe through the early 2000’s.
 
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Re: Washington State Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:56 am

Chugach wrote:
717atOGG wrote:
AS is adding a daily mainline frequency on SEA-RNO starting this July. Does anyone know when the last time this route saw mainline, if ever, was?

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-17feb19/


It was mainline when it started in the 90’s, I believe through the early 2000’s.

Hmm, interesting. It's good that they're adding it back then, since fares have been pretty high at times on the route. I wonder if either DL or WN will eventually jump on SEA-RNO too (a return in WN's case, if I'm not mistaken).
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Re: Washington State Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:04 am

717atOGG wrote:
AS is adding a daily mainline frequency on SEA-RNO starting this July. Does anyone know when the last time this route saw mainline, if ever, was?

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-17feb19/


AS’s evening flight to RNO stayed mainline well after the other frequencies were turned over to QX. I had been quite a few years though.
 
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Re: Washington State Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:10 am

Chugach wrote:
717atOGG wrote:
AS is adding a daily mainline frequency on SEA-RNO starting this July. Does anyone know when the last time this route saw mainline, if ever, was?

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-17feb19/


It was mainline when it started in the 90’s, I believe through the early 2000’s.

Back farther, when I was working for AirCal in LAS in 1982, OC was flying SEA-RNO-LAS-SNA with 737-100/200s. I was recalled to SMF later that year, but as far as I know, OC continued the route through the AA merger.
I imagine RenoAir flew it some time in their existance.
I don't know who else may have flown the route.
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Re: Washington State Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:08 pm

717atOGG wrote:
AS is adding a daily mainline frequency on SEA-RNO starting this July. Does anyone know when the last time this route saw mainline, if ever, was?

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-17feb19/


It's good to see many AS routes going from E-175's to 737's...but I'm wondering if those are just seasonal (peak season) increases and that they will be going back to E-175's during the Fall and Winter months.
 
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Re: Washington State Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:21 pm

AS started SEA-ELP today. I doubt that there was any ceremonies on the SEA end, but there was probably one at ELP. As always, nice to see AS filling in the gaps at SEA, and I'm curious to see how this flight performs. Speaking of AS, I've recently noticed that their A320 fleet is now parking at Concourse C now also, so they're not confined to Concourse D anymore.
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Re: Washington State Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:30 am

717atOGG wrote:
AS started SEA-ELP today. I doubt that there was any ceremonies on the SEA end, but there was probably one at ELP. As always, nice to see AS filling in the gaps at SEA, and I'm curious to see how this flight performs. Speaking of AS, I've recently noticed that their A320 fleet is now parking at Concourse C now also, so they're not confined to Concourse D anymore.


A few times, I've seen some Airbus at the N-concourse as well.
 
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Re: Washington State Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:51 am

Delta flew the 717 over the Christmas and New Year's period this last go around.

Otherwise good question...AS has tried it a couple of times on mainline, most recently ending 737 service about 5-8 years ago. If you go way back, Western tried LAX-GEG a few times with the last stab being right at the DL merger with a 732.

I know the GEG airport folks are more focused on trying to keep UA on the SFO-GEG route with 2-cabin aircraft and not the CRJ they've been running last few months on most days.

dc10lover wrote:
Between Spokane and Los Angeles on Delta. I have never seen mainline used. Why hasn't the market grown?
 
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Re: Washington State Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:32 am

For those of you in the Seattle area that don't get over to Non-av, fellow member LH707330 is putting together a meet-up for late March. Would be great to have more of us a.nuts there
Here's the topic:
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Re: Washington State Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:30 am

717atOGG wrote:
AS started SEA-ELP today. I doubt that there was any ceremonies on the SEA end, but there was probably one at ELP. As always, nice to see AS filling in the gaps at SEA, and I'm curious to see how this flight performs. Speaking of AS, I've recently noticed that their A320 fleet is now parking at Concourse C now also, so they're not confined to Concourse D anymore.


There was a ceremony down here at ELP. Ribbon-cutting, cake and a water cannon salute greeted the E175 when it arrived. Here's the local press reporting on it: https://www.ktsm.com/news/local/el-paso ... 1795347309

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