Does anyone know when we should see Virgin's first A350 painted, or at least the tail painted? Really looking forward to seeing this one out!

MSN 245 (HU#4) on its delivery flight as HU305 (contractually delivered on 11/21/18)
MSN 280 (PR#5) rolled out of paint hangar (special livery)
MSN 284 (CA#8) out on another test flight #AIB04FQ
MSN 302 (IB#4) rolled out of FAL

MSN 214 (QR#38) active on the fligthline this evening
MSN 271 (IB#3) sporting its final reg (EC-NBE) this evening - delivery imminent

MSN 246 (HX#7) maintenance engine run & taxi test (contractually delivered 12/31/18)
MSN 260 (HX#9) maintenance engine run & taxi test (contractually delivered 12/31/18)
MSN 268 (CA#7) departing shortly on its delivery flight. #236. #1 in 2018. #1 in January

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

MSN 280 (PR#5) rolled out of paint hangar (special livery)

First picture for part of the special livery:

https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=5CB42661
https://www.facebook.com/airbus/photos/a.403690762980547/2547382088611393/?type=3&theater

Better quality:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bs8SCPigRS- ... _copy_link

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

MSN 302 (IB#4) rolled out of FAL

So EY#1 should be next out? We are all waiting with baited breath

Does anybody have any idea when British Airways's first plane heads into the FAL?

Kindanew wrote:

Does anybody have any idea when British Airways's first plane heads into the FAL?

Not a clue but it is MSN 326 and delivery due July 2019, if that helps.

Has DAL #12 been delivered and does it have the new winglets?

A 350 Domestic evidently does multiple short hops with no limitation. (?). Does that tell us anything about smaller modern jets operating in Hawaii?

TropicalSky wrote:

Has DAL #12 been delivered and does it have the new winglets?

They all have the new winglets since MSN 216.
It's busy doing CAF flights.

BobMUC wrote:

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

MSN 280 (PR#5) rolled out of paint hangar (special livery)

First picture for part of the special livery:

https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=5CB42661
https://www.facebook.com/airbus/photos/a.403690762980547/2547382088611393/?type=3&theater

Better quality:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bs8SCPigRS- ... _copy_link

The Love bus?! Steady on!

Breathe wrote:

BobMUC wrote:

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

MSN 280 (PR#5) rolled out of paint hangar (special livery)

First picture for part of the special livery:

https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=5CB42661
https://www.facebook.com/airbus/photos/a.403690762980547/2547382088611393/?type=3&theater

Better quality:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bs8SCPigRS- ... _copy_link

The Love bus?! Steady on!

I somehow think I have seen something similar before....

Actually it's not new. It's a kind of retro livery.
It was already mentioned in another thread but I couldn't find it.


https://flic.kr/p/aWx8zz

Breathe wrote:

The Love bus?! Steady on!

Now, before anyone conjures up ideas of the mile-high club, let's just say the airline revived this image on its aircraft as their goodwill message to the world.

BobMUC wrote:

Actually it's not new. It's a kind of retro livery.

That photo is actually in the A.net database..... .....

BobMUC wrote:

It was already mentioned in another thread but I couldn't find it.

Here you are..... viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1413215 ..... and I suggest these comments about the livery are better discussed there instead of here in the P&D thread.

MSN 269 (MU#3) active at the delivery centre
MSN 279 (VN#13) initial engine run
MSN 280 (PR#5) new engine run (post painting)

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

MSN 268 (CA#7) departing shortly on its delivery flight. #236. #1 in 2018. #1 in January

Should have mentioned flight number CA080

MSN 269 (MU#3) CAF AIB04NS
MSN 273 (AY#13 ) second flight AIB02NE
MSN 278 (SQ#32 ) engine run
MSN 280 (PR#5) second flight AIB02NA

MSN 226 (HU#2) on its delivery flight as HU304 (contractually delivered on 9/28/18)
MSN 267 (DL#12) sporting its final reg (N512DN) - delivery imminent
MSN 269 (MU#3) first CAF this morning #AIB03NS
MSN 273 (AY#13) second test flight #AIB02NE
MSN 278 (SQ#32-Regional) initial engine run
MSN 280 (PR#5) second test flight #AIB02NA

MSN 211 (QR#36) sporting its final reg (A7-AMH) - delivery imminent
MSN 262 (CX#31) departing on another test flight this morning #AIB04FB

Is anybody aware what kind of testflights MSN001 is currently doing ? Could this be in reference to the JAL Version 942 ? It looks like MSN002 is also back in TLS. Is that Frame maybe sold ?

MSN 211 (QR#36) on its delivery flight as QR3350. #238. #3 in 2018. #3 in January
MSN 271 (IB#3) on its delivery flight as IB035. #237. #2 in 2018. #2 in January
MSN 279 (VN#13) RTO - first flight scheduled for Monday

MSN 290 (EY#1) has rolled out of FAL (unfortunately white tail)
MSN 303 (PR#6) also rolled out of FAL

MSN 262 (CX#31) active at the delivery centre this morning

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

MSN 303 (PR#6) also rolled out of FAL

Hopefully, testing of this last frame in the batch would proceed smoothly...so it could also be painted with the "tweaked" livery and delivered soonest.

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

MSN 290 (EY#1) has rolled out of FAL (unfortunately white tail)

And so the rumours are true.

Now will they cancel the entirety of the order? Or will they keep some?

Eyad89 wrote:

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

MSN 290 (EY#1) has rolled out of FAL (unfortunately white tail)

And so the rumours are true.

Now will they cancel the entirety of the order? Or will they keep some?

An A350 leaving the FAL with a white tail does not mean the order is cancelled.

A few others have left the FAL with white tails and have went on to be delivered.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/steam60163/33900874520

This was delivered to Sichuan Airlines

Kindanew wrote:

Eyad89 wrote:

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

MSN 290 (EY#1) has rolled out of FAL (unfortunately white tail)

And so the rumours are true.

Now will they cancel the entirety of the order? Or will they keep some?

An A350 leaving the FAL with a white tail does not mean the order is cancelled.

A few others have left the FAL with white tails and have went on to be delivered.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/steam60163/33900874520

This was delivered to Sichuan Airlines

It left as a white tail because it was originally supposed to go to Sri Lankan Airlines, which was NTU. Looks like the same is happening with Etihad here.

Are EY liable for staged payments on the plane until they find a substitute buyer, or formally cancel the order and pay any penalties in their contract for doing so?

How many EY frames are to be built this year ? From this https://sites.google.com/site/a350xwbpr ... ction-list .I can see two but there's about 24 LN slots with missing information i wonder if a airline like TK can take up EY slots after the first two EY frames and convert these into the 359 thoughts ?

Turnhouse1 wrote:

Are EY liable for staged payments on the plane until they find a substitute buyer, or formally cancel the order and pay any penalties in their contract for doing so?

Three parts to purchase finance - pre-delivery, delivery and post-delivery. Sometimes all three are rolled into one.

Often, on a new aircraft lease, the leasor is the buyer, so they take care of all three stages of finance.

On a sale/leaseback, the leasee takes care of pre-delivery and delivery finance (this doesn't necessarily mean they directly fund), as per EK.

Irrespective, either directly to Airbus, or indirectly via financiers, EY has already partly paid for the air frame, engines, and other related costs. All that are missing are the final two payments on the engines (one if EY engines already delivered or fitted, as opposed to Airbus mules) and two on the air frame (paint & delivery), and perhaps fit out, depending whether included or excluded (on new leases, leasee's often prefer to 'own' the interior, so at end of lease returned bare with no branding, or leasor pays for the residual value of the interior).

Unless someone is privy to the precise agreement on THIS aircraft, and when it was notified / varied, and what if anything the parties agreed to forgive, it's impossible to know.

MSN 262 (CX#31) first CAF #AIB05FB
MSN 267 (DL#12) out on delivery flight as DL9931. #239. #4 in 2019. #4 in January

Re: MSN 290, i would caution the conspiracy theorists. I am still showing it is going to EY - with EY getting another 3 in 2019 on top if it (315 - which is 3rd in line to enter FAL, 330 and 342). White tails mean nothing. Practically all of QR's frames exit FAL with "white tails". VS also came out with white tail.

MSN 270 (HX#10) maintenance engine run and taxi test
MSN 276 (SQ#31) active at the delivery centre
MSN 279 (VN#13) first flight #AIB01NP
MSN 284 (CA#8) out on another test flight #AIB05FQ

When are MSNs 65 and 71 due out of rework? Seems like they've been in for rework for a long time.

MSN 278 (SQ#32-Regional) RTO - first flight scheduled for Wednesday
MSN 292 (LH#13/14) initial engine run (unpainted)

Slug71 wrote:

When are MSNs 65 and 71 due out of rework? Seems like they've been in for rework for a long time.

One of them is in Bordeaux, the 71 is in the A380 FAL, might take a couple more month, the HTP has been removed and quite a lot of work are happening, I guess removing all the flight test instruments, sensors is quite a big job

MSN 214 (QR#37/38) initial engine run
MSN 262 (CX#31) sporting its final reg (B-LXI) - delivery imminent
MSN 269 (MU#3) sporting its final reg (B-305X) - delivery imminent
MSN 276 (SQ#31-Regional) first CAF #AIB03GV
MSN 278 (SQ#32-Regional) first flight #AIB01GU
MSN 287 (LH#13/14) active on the flightline

DrunkFunk wrote:

Slug71 wrote:

When are MSNs 65 and 71 due out of rework? Seems like they've been in for rework for a long time.

One of them is in Bordeaux, the 71 is in the A380 FAL, might take a couple more month, the HTP has been removed and quite a lot of work are happening, I guess removing all the flight test instruments, sensors is quite a big job

Oh that's crazy. Never would have guessed that much work is involved.

Slug71 wrote:

DrunkFunk wrote:

Slug71 wrote:

When are MSNs 65 and 71 due out of rework? Seems like they've been in for rework for a long time.

One of them is in Bordeaux, the 71 is in the A380 FAL, might take a couple more month, the HTP has been removed and quite a lot of work are happening, I guess removing all the flight test instruments, sensors is quite a big job

Oh that's crazy. Never would have guessed that much work is involved.

There are thousands of sensors and miles of cabling to remove and to make good any part that needs to be brought up to production spec. I am not surprised it takes a long time to resolve.

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

MSN 214 (QR#37/38) initial engine run
MSN 262 (CX#31) sporting its final reg (B-LXI) - delivery imminent
MSN 269 (MU#3) sporting its final reg (B-305X) - delivery imminent
MSN 276 (SQ#31-Regional) first CAF #AIB03GV
MSN 278 (SQ#32-Regional) first flight #AIB01GU
MSN 287 (LH#13/14) active on the flightline

I’m pleased to see January being such a productive month. Coming after a less manic than usual December gives me hope that Airbus are starting to solve their year end production panic .

Geoff

MSN 265 (JJ#10) initial engine run this morning
MSN 269 (MU#3) departing on its delivery flight as MU2999. #240. #5 in 2018. #5 in January

EY’s 1st, MSN 290, what does the future hold for this frame?

Eyad89 wrote:

EY’s 1st, MSN 290, what does the future hold for this frame?

Outfitted, painted, engines and delivery. There is a lot of speculation about Etihad not taking those frames, but I have yet to find something from a reputable source, or Etihad or Airbus about deferrals or cancellations.

It is quite obvious to me that this one is not going to EY - the tail fin is left unpainted. We normally see the tail fin painted even though the fuselage is still in primer.

flee wrote:

It is quite obvious to me that this one is not going to EY - the tail fin is left unpainted. We normally see the tail fin painted even though the fuselage is still in primer.

The fuselage is ALWAYS in primer after P18. All QR frames had no painted tail at that point.

flee wrote:

It is quite obvious to me that this one is not going to EY - the tail fin is left unpainted. We normally see the tail fin painted even though the fuselage is still in primer.

Normally yes! But there have been exceptions!

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled ... /5255387/L

What’s the story behind the Virgin A350? They posted a video of it getting painted awhile ago.. Where is it hiding?

audidudi wrote:

flee wrote:

It is quite obvious to me that this one is not going to EY - the tail fin is left unpainted. We normally see the tail fin painted even though the fuselage is still in primer.

Normally yes! But there have been exceptions!

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled ... /5255387/L

Even there , I can see Virgin Atlantic brand on the wing sharklets . There appears to be no branding on MSN 290 about it.

MSN 214 (QR#37/38) RTO - first flight scheduled for Thursday
MSN 215 (QR#37/38) initial engine run this afternoon
MSN 285 (HU#5) exited paint hangar
MSN 292 (LH#13) RTO - first flight scheduled for Thursday (unpainted)

Vladex wrote:

audidudi wrote:

flee wrote:

It is quite obvious to me that this one is not going to EY - the tail fin is left unpainted. We normally see the tail fin painted even though the fuselage is still in primer.

Normally yes! But there have been exceptions!

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled ... /5255387/L

Even there , I can see Virgin Atlantic brand on the wing sharklets . There appears to be no branding on MSN 290 about it.

Still doesn't mean much. A lot of QR frames rolled out like this. It's a bit late to announce a cancellation. I've read somewhere that they're taking five A350-1000s, however has another said, no reputable sources yet.

Vladex wrote:

audidudi wrote:

flee wrote:

It is quite obvious to me that this one is not going to EY - the tail fin is left unpainted. We normally see the tail fin painted even though the fuselage is still in primer.

Normally yes! But there have been exceptions!

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitle ... /5255387/L

Even there , I can see Virgin Atlantic brand on the wing sharklets . There appears to be no branding on MSN 290 about it.

Etihad's brand is not painted on their winglets, even on the "inboard" side. So it does not help much.



The colour on this A330's winglet is not exactly the same as MSN 290 above though.