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Etihad’s first A350 has been photographed in Toulouse with the Etihad livery painted on the tail.

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Etihad’s first A350 has been photographed in Toulouse with the Etihad livery painted on the tail.

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Wow! Wow! I have always loved the Etihad livery with its abstract shapes. But the tail of this A35J looks really promising. Looking forward to the fully painted aircraft.
 
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:36 pm

This is actually bird number 2 for Etihad. MSN 290 is the first.
 
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MSN 287 (LH#13 -A359), D-AIXM, is on its delivery flight as DLH9923. #3 in March...#17 in 2019...#252 total
 
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MSN 287 (LH#13) flew home as LH9923. #252. #17 in 2019. #3 in March.
MSN 293 (E9#1) out on a second test flight #AIB02HJ
 
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MSN 300 (AY#14) is active on the flightline this morning
 
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MSN 305 (SQ#34-Regional) second RTO - revised first flight scheduled for Tuesday
 
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Air France's first A350's have been revealed

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MSN 214 (QR#38-359) on its delivery flight as QR3350. #253. #18 in 2019. #4 in March
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MSN 292 (LH#14) active at the delivery centre this morning
MSN 293 (E9#1) departing on its first CAF #AIB03HJ
 
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Any updates on what went wrong with MSN 295?
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MSN 229 (QR#39-35J) second test flight #AIB02NG
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MSN 291 (MU#5) RTO this morning - first flight scheduled for Friday
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MSN 265 (JJ#12) departing on its delivery flight as QR3350. #254. #19 in 2019. #5 in March.
This is a lease to Qatar Airways of a LATAM Brazil livery aircraft.
 
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MSN 293 (E9#1) sporting its final reg (EC-NBO) this morning - delivery imminent
 
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Air France's first A350's have been revealed

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I don't know why, but that shiney livery looks amazing!!!

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Kindanew wrote:
Air France's first A350's have been revealed

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I don't know why, but that shiney livery looks amazing!!!

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I think it has a layer of high gloss clear coat applied.
 
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Kindanew wrote:
Air France's first A350's have been revealed

ImageFrance by Kind Of New, on Flickr

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ImageFrance by Kind Of New, on Flickr

I don't know why, but that shiney livery looks amazing!!!

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It looks so shiny because it’s Air France... sorry, couldn’t resist... :lol: :white:
 
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:17 am

Has the financial situation with HX gotten worse when will these 3 fly home ( contractually delivered ) with a further 3 LN 270 283 299 not far behind ? Also is this rubbing off onto CA and HU ?

Is LN 282 been taken up by LATAM or is this another one going to QR ?
 
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Has the financial situation with HX gotten worse when will these 3 fly home ( contractually delivered ) with a further 3 LN 270 283 299 not far behind ? Also is this rubbing off onto CA and HU ?

I speculate but believe that 246/251/260 were contractually delivered to Airbus' financial arm to boost 2018 delivery numbers (a practice both A&B are good at) and not to HX directly. HX is in no way taking the delivery of those and future frames until (or if) it sorts itself out. HX is actually looking to shed planes right now (A330s) not acquire any. Rumblings have come out that HU may end up taking some of those frames as part of an order restructuring of sorts. To be seen. CA is completely unrelated.

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Is LN 282 been taken up by LATAM or is this another one going to QR ?

LATAM's 12/31 fleet profile showed only 3x 359s being leased out to QR during the 2019. So the only way 282 goes to QR is if one of the ones currently at QR goes back to JJ as a result. Unlikely. I show JJ taking 282/313/363 this year.
 
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I never really understood why they made the A359ULR if they knew that only one airline would ever order it. I mean sure it's a relatively inexpensive variant and so the development costs weren't so much, but I would have expected that either they made a higher GW version available earlier (which probably could have had more customers), or tried to promote the A359ULR more and offer it to more airlines instead of just SQ. I mean there are probably many airlines that would like the A359ULR if they could get their act together (TG and DL come to mind).
 
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It looks so shiny because it’s Air France haven't operated it yet... sorry, couldn’t resist... :lol: :white:


Fixed that for you! :duck:
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I never really understood why they made the A359ULR if they knew that only one airline would ever order it. I mean sure it's a relatively inexpensive variant and so the development costs weren't so much, but I would have expected that either they made a higher GW version available earlier (which probably could have had more customers), or tried to promote the A359ULR more and offer it to more airlines instead of just SQ. I mean there are probably many airlines that would like the A359ULR if they could get their act together (TG and DL come to mind).


Aren't Qantas interested in the A359ULR more over other options for LHR-SYD (Project Sunrise)?

Still that would only be two airlines with it in their fleet, which doesn't seem enough to have bothered building it.
 
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filipinoavgeek wrote:
I never really understood why they made the A359ULR if they knew that only one airline would ever order it. I mean sure it's a relatively inexpensive variant and so the development costs weren't so much, but I would have expected that either they made a higher GW version available earlier (which probably could have had more customers), or tried to promote the A359ULR more and offer it to more airlines instead of just SQ. I mean there are probably many airlines that would like the A359ULR if they could get their act together (TG and DL come to mind).


Aren't Qantas interested in the A359ULR more over other options for LHR-SYD (Project Sunrise)?

Still that would only be two airlines with it in their fleet, which doesn't seem enough to have bothered building it.


No, they're instead considering a potential A350-1000ULR instead. They already ruled out the A359ULR at some point.

To be honest, I'm rather surprised that no one else has ordered the A359ULR, I would have expected at least Delta to have gotten a few by now. Otherwise I don't really see the point of making a variant just for a single airline (and I think it might be likely that whatever wins Project Sunrise will not be Qantas-only): it made more sense decades ago but not so much now.
 
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MSN 246 (HX#7) maintenance engine run & taxi test (delivered 12/31/18)
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I never really understood why they made the A359ULR if they knew that only one airline would ever order it. I mean sure it's a relatively inexpensive variant and so the development costs weren't so much, but I would have expected that either they made a higher GW version available earlier (which probably could have had more customers), or tried to promote the A359ULR more and offer it to more airlines instead of just SQ. I mean there are probably many airlines that would like the A359ULR if they could get their act together (TG and DL come to mind).


There’s hardly any differences, the majority of them being paperwork and software related to the fuel system. Not a huge expense for Airbus.
 
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filipinoavgeek wrote:
I never really understood why they made the A359ULR if they knew that only one airline would ever order it. I mean sure it's a relatively inexpensive variant and so the development costs weren't so much, but I would have expected that either they made a higher GW version available earlier (which probably could have had more customers), or tried to promote the A359ULR more and offer it to more airlines instead of just SQ. I mean there are probably many airlines that would like the A359ULR if they could get their act together (TG and DL come to mind).


There’s hardly any differences, the majority of them being paperwork and software related to the fuel system. Not a huge expense for Airbus.


I mean sure the changes are somewhat minimal, but it's kind of odd that they didn't seem to promote it to any other airline. Is Airbus really fine with SQ being the sole customer? Years from now we might have "Airliner Flops" threads and (rightly-or-wrongly) there might be mentions of the A359ULR by then.
 
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Hi Folks

I would ask again what about the JAL A350. In fact I would be interested if there are news to the technical details of the version 942 ? Some sources are still listing also the JAL frames as 941. Will there be another version and whats the difference ?
 
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filipinoavgeek wrote:
rufusmi wrote:
filipinoavgeek wrote:
I never really understood why they made the A359ULR if they knew that only one airline would ever order it. I mean sure it's a relatively inexpensive variant and so the development costs weren't so much, but I would have expected that either they made a higher GW version available earlier (which probably could have had more customers), or tried to promote the A359ULR more and offer it to more airlines instead of just SQ. I mean there are probably many airlines that would like the A359ULR if they could get their act together (TG and DL come to mind).


There’s hardly any differences, the majority of them being paperwork and software related to the fuel system. Not a huge expense for Airbus.


I mean sure the changes are somewhat minimal, but it's kind of odd that they didn't seem to promote it to any other airline. Is Airbus really fine with SQ being the sole customer? Years from now we might have "Airliner Flops" threads and (rightly-or-wrongly) there might be mentions of the A359ULR by then.


It has no doubt been promoted to other airlines. The base -900 will have the -ULR capabilities from 2020 or 2021, if I'm not mistaken. So the -ULR today, will essentially be a standard -900.
 
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Slug71 wrote:
filipinoavgeek wrote:
rufusmi wrote:

There’s hardly any differences, the majority of them being paperwork and software related to the fuel system. Not a huge expense for Airbus.


I mean sure the changes are somewhat minimal, but it's kind of odd that they didn't seem to promote it to any other airline. Is Airbus really fine with SQ being the sole customer? Years from now we might have "Airliner Flops" threads and (rightly-or-wrongly) there might be mentions of the A359ULR by then.


It has no doubt been promoted to other airlines. The base -900 will have the -ULR capabilities from 2020 or 2021, if I'm not mistaken. So the -ULR today, will essentially be a standard -900.

The base -900 will have the MTOW, but not the ability to carry the same fuel level (and I doubt that is retrofittable). The -900ULH is extremely niche though, very few airlines need it. It trades payload for more fuel, most airlines have no interest in running low density ULH flights with a subfleet in a different configuration, certainly not airlines like DL.

Too many people here look at the -900ULH as like the 77L. The 77L has something like a ~50 t higher MTOW than the 77E. The A350ULH MTOW is only like 2-4t higher than the standard A359, and soon it will be 0t higher. The primary objective of the ULH over the standard -900 is to be a flying fuel tank, not to lift more payload further.
 
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Polot wrote:
Slug71 wrote:
filipinoavgeek wrote:

I mean sure the changes are somewhat minimal, but it's kind of odd that they didn't seem to promote it to any other airline. Is Airbus really fine with SQ being the sole customer? Years from now we might have "Airliner Flops" threads and (rightly-or-wrongly) there might be mentions of the A359ULR by then.


It has no doubt been promoted to other airlines. The base -900 will have the -ULR capabilities from 2020 or 2021, if I'm not mistaken. So the -ULR today, will essentially be a standard -900.

The base -900 will have the MTOW, but not the ability to carry the same fuel level (and I doubt that is retrofittable). The -900ULH is extremely niche though, very few airlines need it. It trades payload for more fuel, most airlines have no interest in running low density ULH flights with a subfleet in a different configuration, certainly not airlines like DL.

Too many people here look at the -900ULH as like the 77L. The 77L has something like a ~50 t higher MTOW than the 77E. The A350ULH MTOW is only like 2-4t higher than the standard A359, and soon it will be 0t higher. The primary objective of the ULH over the standard -900 is to be a flying fuel tank, not to lift more payload further.


As far as I'm aware, the -ULR has a modified fuel system that allows the aircraft to carry 24,000L of additional fuel with the existing fuel tanks. There is no additional fuel tanks. The -ULR MTOW is 280t and the base -900, 275t.
Not sure if the the modifications can be removed, but should certainly be able to be retrofitted. Albeit with a small weight penalty.
 
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Slug71 wrote:

It has no doubt been promoted to other airlines. The base -900 will have the -ULR capabilities from 2020 or 2021, if I'm not mistaken. So the -ULR today, will essentially be a standard -900.

The base -900 will have the MTOW, but not the ability to carry the same fuel level (and I doubt that is retrofittable). The -900ULH is extremely niche though, very few airlines need it. It trades payload for more fuel, most airlines have no interest in running low density ULH flights with a subfleet in a different configuration, certainly not airlines like DL.

Too many people here look at the -900ULH as like the 77L. The 77L has something like a ~50 t higher MTOW than the 77E. The A350ULH MTOW is only like 2-4t higher than the standard A359, and soon it will be 0t higher. The primary objective of the ULH over the standard -900 is to be a flying fuel tank, not to lift more payload further.


As far as I'm aware, the -ULR has a modified fuel system that allows the aircraft to carry 24,000L of additional fuel with the existing fuel tanks. There is no additional fuel tanks. The -ULR MTOW is 280t and the base -900, 275t.
Not sure if the the modifications can be removed, but should certainly be able to be retrofitted. Albeit with a small weight penalty.

Yes it is is the same fuel tanks. I’m not sure if hardware to support the extra fuel is retrofittable however. Airbus has given zero indication that you can transform a 280t A359 (when that is available) to a ULR.
 
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As far as I'm aware, the -ULR has a modified fuel system that allows the aircraft to carry 24,000L of additional fuel with the existing fuel tanks. There is no additional fuel tanks. The -ULR MTOW is 280t and the base -900, 275t. Not sure if the the modifications can be removed, but should certainly be able to be retrofitted. Albeit with a small weight penalty.


The ULR model has modifications to the fuel sensors and the fuel management software to allow it to use the additional volume already present in the A350-900. The forward cargo hold is also unusable (no reason was given why it needs to be deactivated).

Airbus have said you can "reverse" an A350-900ULR into a standard A350-900 model. They have said it is a "paperwork reversion" from an airframe perspective and that the forward cargo hold can be reactivated when reverted.

Airbus has not made any mention that you can convert an A350-900 into an A350-900ULR.
 
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I'm rather surprised that no one else has ordered the A359ULR

Shouldn't be. There's soooo few airlines that have a use for it, in any task that a standard 280T (or, as we're seeing now, even 275-278T) A359s can't effectively do.

Those standard configurations are already opping 17hr+ flights on the likes of SIN-SFO and MNL-JFK, without the need for -ULR fuel capacity.

SQ, due to its location, is one of the few who "need" that extra cushion; and even then, who knows for how long:
Just a postulation-- but as their nonstops grow, I wouldn't be surprised to see Boeing make a bid to place 778s at SQ, allowing them to carry more pax/payload on those routes. The airline will already have the engine/airframe combination due to their 779 orders, and the A359ULRs can (according to Airbus) be reverted back to standard configuration.

Then again, they also have tons of incoming A359s, and could easily convert some of those outstanding orders to -ULRs, if desired. Particularly the proposed -1000ULR, if launched. They could also pull the current -ULRs off of LAX and SFO, and instead op those routes with standard 280T A359s equipped with the 161pax hi-J interior, while redeploying the -ULRs to other east coast (or even Brazilian) routes.

Will indeed be interesting to see how (or if) they grow their N.Am nonstops!



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The primary objective of the ULH over the standard -900 is to be a flying fuel tank, not to lift more payload further.

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The base -900 will have the -ULR capabilities from 2020 or 2021, if I'm not mistaken.

They already do.

After introducing the -ULR last year, Airbus found that they were able to incorporate the changes (wing twist, redesigned sharklets, 280T MTOW option, lighter door frames and empennage) into their standard A350 production line a full two years ahead of initially advertised schedule.

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I would ask again what about the JAL A350. In fact I would be interested if there are news to the technical details of the version 942 ? Some sources are still listing also the JAL frames as 941. Will there be another version and whats the difference ?

Not sure what constitute to the 941 and 942 but you may find XWB engines technical details here: https://www.airbus.com/content/dam/corp ... 0-1000.pdf
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:13 pm

Etihad #2 A350-1000, tail and sharklet

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