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Please continue from last year's discussion.

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Happy New Year from an unusually cold valley of the sun. Hoping for a good year for SkyHarbor.
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Happy New Year! Cant wait to see the AA metal on the PHX LHR run!
 
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Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:07 pm

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Happy New Year from an unusually cold valley of the sun. Hoping for a good year for SkyHarbor.


Speaking of this, which airlines currently deice their aircraft at PHX? I know as of 2014 there were four that did - AA, WN, DL, and FX, with WN and DL performing the deicing in-house and AA and FX using an onsite provider (Swissport). Is that still the case?
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Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:34 pm

1337Delta764 wrote:
chepos wrote:
Happy New Year from an unusually cold valley of the sun. Hoping for a good year for SkyHarbor.


Speaking of this, which airlines currently deice their aircraft at PHX? I know as of 2014 there were four that did - AA, WN, DL, and FX, with WN and DL performing the deicing in-house and AA and FX using an onsite provider (Swissport). Is that still the case?


AFAIK, both AA and FX are in house. AA switched over to in-house (IAM employees) this past year and I believe FX did as well. Swissport still has the deicing contract for HA, BA and AC however as part of their larger ground handling contract.
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Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:51 pm

I cant imagine that deicing is required too many times in a year. I would think that they could go a couple of years without having to deice a plane at PHX.
 
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Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:18 pm

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I cant imagine that deicing is required too many times in a year. I would think that they could go a couple of years without having to deice a plane at PHX.


From what I read, back in 2000 there were no deicing operations at PHX. And still, besides the aforementioned airlines, most airlines at PHX do not deice their aircraft. I'm guessing AA, WN, and DL do becuase they are the three largest carriers and HA, BA, and AC do due to their longer stage lengths.

For comparison, after an tarmac delay incident a few years back, WN has since added deicing equipment at MCO.
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Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:49 am

travaz wrote:
I cant imagine that deicing is required too many times in a year. I would think that they could go a couple of years without having to deice a plane at PHX.


I know PHX is over a thousand feet lower in elevation than TUS, but it's been cold all over AZ since Christmas. Hard freeze warning tonight and tomorrow night for Pima County (Tucson) as well as other adjoining counties. Snow all around the Tucson metro area this AM. Sub-30-degree morning lows expected to continue through the week.
 
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From my time at Sky Harbor I only recall seeing AA, WN, and Swissport deice trucks (never ventured over that much to the FX ramp). I have never seen a deicing operation though in PHX, we would push the plane out and let the sun do the work for us.

If I recall the Swissport truck was intended for nothing bigger than a 737...
 
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It was nice knowing you, California Pacific..didn't even make the three months that I predicted. https://worldairlinenews.com/2018/12/29 ... perations/
 
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Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:31 pm

dlramp4life wrote:
From my time at Sky Harbor I only recall seeing AA, WN, and Swissport deice trucks (never ventured over that much to the FX ramp). I have never seen a deicing operation though in PHX, we would push the plane out and let the sun do the work for us.

If I recall the Swissport truck was intended for nothing bigger than a 737...


I remember getting de-iced on the red-eye PHX-STL years ago on a TWA MD-80. But I guess it had issues with the fuel 'gelling' if it got too cold. (They just did the wings.)
 
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It was nice knowing you, California Pacific..didn't even make the three months that I predicted. https://worldairlinenews.com/2018/12/29 ... perations/

All those years of planning and they made it what...six weeks? It's no wonder people are so cynical every time there's a new start-up.
 
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Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:24 pm

Did AA send a large airplane in to PHX on Jan 1 around 6p? I saw what appeared to be a larger AA plane making the downwind turn over Camelback while I was out for my run.

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From my time at Sky Harbor I only recall seeing AA, WN, and Swissport deice trucks (never ventured over that much to the FX ramp). I have never seen a deicing operation though in PHX, we would push the plane out and let the sun do the work for us.

If I recall the Swissport truck was intended for nothing bigger than a 737...


It is truly bizarre to see the old-ish WN de-ice trucks sitting by D7/D8 when it's 115F in the summer. I've never been sprayed down here in Phoenix, but have been a few times in Tucson. I even remember being sprayed down in Tucson when it was 45F in bright sunshine on an Alaska flight. I suggested to the pilot we just push into the sun and he just laughed and said "it takes too long to melt the frost and I want to go home."

It's also weird to wake up to 29F at my house in Arcadia.
 
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Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:38 pm

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I've never been sprayed down here in Phoenix, but have been a few times in Tucson. I even remember being sprayed down in Tucson when it was 45F in bright sunshine on an Alaska flight. I suggested to the pilot we just push into the sun and he just laughed and said "it takes too long to melt the frost and I want to go home."

It's also weird to wake up to 29F at my house in Arcadia.


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Too funny that we're talking about deicing in PHX. Even though I've lived here now a little over 4yrs and know full well that we can get down to freezing or even a tad lower sometimes during the winter, it just still seems a bit weird to think of it, so I can only imagine how totally bizarre it must/would sound to anybody living outside of AZ since so many think AZ is a desert that's always hot! LOL

That being said...I've never thought about this before...do they "deice" even if it's just simple frost? Is simple frost a danger like hard ice? Or do they not chance it and deice anyway? And for this, do they just do the wings & control surfaces and not bother with the rest of the fuselage? I can't imagine we get actual hard ice on airplanes, even if it goes a little below freezing (unless there's precip. of course).
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Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:01 pm

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Did AA send a large airplane in to PHX on Jan 1 around 6p? I saw what appeared to be a larger AA plane making the downwind turn over Camelback while I was out for my run. .


Sure that wasn't the BA flight, which arrived just prior to 6pm (1757hrs) yesterday..
 
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chrisair wrote:
Did AA send a large airplane in to PHX on Jan 1 around 6p? I saw what appeared to be a larger AA plane making the downwind turn over Camelback while I was out for my run.


The only widebody of any sort to land around 6PM yesterday was the BA 747, which arrived at 5:57PM. Largest AA jets at that time were the usual 319/320/321s.
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Planes in PHX have definitely been sprayed this season
 
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That being said...I've never thought about this before...do they "deice" even if it's just simple frost? Is simple frost a danger like hard ice?


When I've been deiced in Tucson, it was because of frost, not because of "hard ice."

I've also been deiced in SEA at 45F on the underside of the wings. That's a weird thing to watch.

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Winter wonderland in Tucson today. Biggest snowfall since our Easter 1999 snow on April 3 of that year. Ironically, though, my low here on the SE side of Tucson was 32--warmer than yours!


Wow. I have a house out west in Tucson and we didn't get any snow! My cameras never showed any. Crazy how localized it can be.

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Sure that wasn't the BA flight, which arrived just prior to 6pm (1757hrs) yesterday..


Very possible. Do they have LED strobe lights on the 747s?
 
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:40 am

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Too funny that we're talking about deicing in PHX. Even though I've lived here now a little over 4yrs and know full well that we can get down to freezing or even a tad lower sometimes during the winter, it just still seems a bit weird to think of it, so I can only imagine how totally bizarre it must/would sound to anybody living outside of AZ since so many think AZ is a desert that's always hot! LOL


The coldest Phoenix has ever been when I was there was 29 degrees and for Phoenix that was absolutely freezing. I can't imagine what the folks there thought when they hit their record low of 16 degrees. I'm sure all of the saguaros and date palms hate the cold weather lol. But at least you're not in Flagstaff where the lows have been in the single digits!
 
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:24 am

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Did AA send a large airplane in to PHX on Jan 1 around 6p? I saw what appeared to be a larger AA plane making the downwind turn over Camelback while I was out for my run.


AA had a 788 come in a few days ago. It parked at B23 and then was towed over to A25 for fitment testing.
 
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:13 am

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Winter wonderland in Tucson today. Biggest snowfall since our Easter 1999 snow on April 3 of that year. Ironically, though, my low here on the SE side of Tucson was 32--warmer than yours!


Wow. I have a house out west in Tucson and we didn't get any snow! My cameras never showed any. Crazy how localized it can be.


Elevation is the big factor. Tucson valley tends to slope toward the west and northwest, as can be seen form the river/arroyo drainage patterns. 'My' side of town tends to be higher than 'yours', hence more likely to see snow. I believe the official NWS station at TUS recorded one inch today. I probably had two or three. Just southeast of me in Vail they had 5 inches.
 
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:51 am

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That being said...I've never thought about this before...do they "deice" even if it's just simple frost? Is simple frost a danger like hard ice? Or do they not chance it and deice anyway? And for this, do they just do the wings & control surfaces and not bother with the rest of the fuselage? I can't imagine we get actual hard ice on airplanes, even if it goes a little below freezing (unless there's precip. of course).


Critical surfaces need to be clear of all frozen contaminates, including frost.
 
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Too funny that we're talking about deicing in PHX. Even though I've lived here now a little over 4yrs and know full well that we can get down to freezing or even a tad lower sometimes during the winter, it just still seems a bit weird to think of it, so I can only imagine how totally bizarre it must/would sound to anybody living outside of AZ since so many think AZ is a desert that's always hot! LOL


The coldest Phoenix has ever been when I was there was 29 degrees and for Phoenix that was absolutely freezing. I can't imagine what the folks there thought when they hit their record low of 16 degrees. I'm sure all of the saguaros and date palms hate the cold weather lol. But at least you're not in Flagstaff where the lows have been in the single digits!


Yeah tell me about it...my mom lives in PRC where they got down to 10-12 the other morning and I think yesterday again & probably this morning too...I avoid going up there during the winter like the plague; I wouldn't even THINK about going to FLG! But it's still better than living in the DC area where we moved from 4yrs ago...no snow/sleet/ice/freezing rain here at least, just some below-normal cold temps for a spell.
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:27 pm

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cathay747 wrote:

That being said...I've never thought about this before...do they "deice" even if it's just simple frost? Is simple frost a danger like hard ice? Or do they not chance it and deice anyway? And for this, do they just do the wings & control surfaces and not bother with the rest of the fuselage? I can't imagine we get actual hard ice on airplanes, even if it goes a little below freezing (unless there's precip. of course).


Critical surfaces need to be clear of all frozen contaminates, including frost.


OK, thanks for that info.

To the reply above about spraying UNDER the wings...yeah, that does sound weird, never heard of or seen THAT before! Gotta be a messy job for the ground staff!
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AZ Republic article says the south concourse of T3 is going to open 1/6/19 evening. I assume all of the airlines from the north concourse are going to start operations at the south concourse then. Is that the plan?
 
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AZ Republic article says the south concourse of T3 is going to open 1/6/19 evening. I assume all of the airlines from the north concourse are going to start operations at the south concourse then. Is that the plan?


Yes, T3 North carriers will move into the new south concourse when it opens, then T3 North will be closed for renovations/modernization. Once that is complete all T2 carriers will be moved into the newly renovated/modernized T3 North concourse and T2 will be closed and demolished.
 
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Yes, T3 North carriers will move into the new south concourse when it opens, then T3 North will be closed for renovations/modernization. Once that is complete all T2 carriers will be moved into the newly renovated/modernized T3 North concourse and T2 will be closed and demolished.


I thought everyone was moving to T3 and AS/UA were going to be stuck in T3N during construction?
 
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chrisair wrote:
cm642 wrote:

Yes, T3 North carriers will move into the new south concourse when it opens, then T3 North will be closed for renovations/modernization. Once that is complete all T2 carriers will be moved into the newly renovated/modernized T3 North concourse and T2 will be closed and demolished.


I thought everyone was moving to T3 and AS/UA were going to be stuck in T3N during construction?


I'm just going off the last plan I heard of in the 2018 thread a few months back before they announced the demolition, they could've changed it and that could also be the case!
 
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According to the article, T2 airlines move after completion of the T3N renovation.
 
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In terms of 2019 I'm curious on what your guys predictions are for new air service development and what you would like to see added?

To get it started for me:

PHX-BNA, MSY on AA metal as well as a few more Eagle routes opened up!
 
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cm642 wrote:
In terms of 2019 I'm curious on what your guys predictions are for new air service development and what you would like to see added?

To get it started for me:

PHX-BNA, MSY on AA metal as well as a few more Eagle routes opened up!


PHX BDL is one I would like to see. Having said that I think PHX for the moment is just the right size. We will see a few adds but basically static growth this year.
 
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cm642 wrote:
chrisair wrote:
cm642 wrote:

Yes, T3 North carriers will move into the new south concourse when it opens, then T3 North will be closed for renovations/modernization. Once that is complete all T2 carriers will be moved into the newly renovated/modernized T3 North concourse and T2 will be closed and demolished.


I thought everyone was moving to T3 and AS/UA were going to be stuck in T3N during construction?


I'm just going off the last plan I heard of in the 2018 thread a few months back before they announced the demolition, they could've changed it and that could also be the case!
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According to the article, T2 airlines move after completion of the T3N renovation.


I'm pretty sure at least one of the T2 carriers is moving into T3S upon opening or shortly their after. I can't recall if its AS or NK.

travaz wrote:
cm642 wrote:
In terms of 2019 I'm curious on what your guys predictions are for new air service development and what you would like to see added?

To get it started for me:

PHX-BNA, MSY on AA metal as well as a few more Eagle routes opened up!


PHX BDL is one I would like to see. Having said that I think PHX for the moment is just the right size. We will see a few adds but basically static growth this year.


PHX will be pretty static on the AA side this year between construction and other hub priorities but there will be a few adds (some have already been announced, PHX-ASE goes year round, PHX-RDU added). WN will be battling elsewhere and won't have the time/frames available to grow PHX much. A year of slow growth though is really what PHX needs to assess actual local O&D LF and preferences. There have been so many tweaks over the past couple years for both with shifting flight times, and shifting connection patterns that the local market is a bit hard to define their preferences currently.
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alasizon wrote:
cm642 wrote:
chrisair wrote:

I thought everyone was moving to T3 and AS/UA were going to be stuck in T3N during construction?


I'm just going off the last plan I heard of in the 2018 thread a few months back before they announced the demolition, they could've changed it and that could also be the case!
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According to the article, T2 airlines move after completion of the T3N renovation.


I'm pretty sure at least one of the T2 carriers is moving into T3S upon opening or shortly their after. I can't recall if its AS or NK.


AS is going to T3N.
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Dupe - please delete.
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I heard AS will be sending A320 family birds on PHX-SFO this spring. Any details on that?
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AS is going to T3N.


Do you know when they're moving?

JustWingIt wrote:
I heard AS will be sending A320 family birds on PHX-SFO this spring. Any details on that?


Yes, the airplanes will land, taxi to T2 or T3N, be serviced, and depart. :o

Unfortunately, it'll only last six weeks. Maybe one day Alaska will fly that route year round.
 
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I still think COS is a huge hole in the AA network from either PHX or LAX. I can't guess what they were thinking in trying AMA instead of COS. Weren't COS and ICT 2 of the original HP cities?
 
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COS in my opinion (along with ICT) is low hanging fruit for AA out of PHX.
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I heard AS will be sending A320 family birds on PHX-SFO this spring. Any details on that?


Yes, the airplanes will land, taxi to T2 or T3N, be serviced, and depart. :o

Unfortunately, it'll only last six weeks. Maybe one day Alaska will fly that route year round.


Very funny man...xD

Interesting, I'm not surprised that it's only lasting about 6 weeks, the daily QX service lasted just over a month (it was a nice flight though), and SFO service didn't last long last year either with 739s. Still, just like the E175s Q4 2018, it's something new for PHX.
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Interesting, I'm not surprised that it's only lasting about 6 weeks, the daily QX service lasted just over a month (it was a nice flight though), and SFO service didn't last long last year either with 739s. Still, just like the E175s Q4 2018, it's something new for PHX.


QX will be back with the E75s for their Everett service.
 
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chrisair wrote:
wn676 wrote:

AS is going to T3N.


Do you know when they're moving?

JustWingIt wrote:
I heard AS will be sending A320 family birds on PHX-SFO this spring. Any details on that?


Yes, the airplanes will land, taxi to T2 or T3N, be serviced, and depart. :o

Unfortunately, it'll only last six weeks. Maybe one day Alaska will fly that route year round.


This strikes me as incredibly odd. Why only for six weeks? I mean that's not even what would be considered "seasonal"!
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:24 pm

cathay747 wrote:
chrisair wrote:
wn676 wrote:

AS is going to T3N.


Do you know when they're moving?

JustWingIt wrote:
I heard AS will be sending A320 family birds on PHX-SFO this spring. Any details on that?


Yes, the airplanes will land, taxi to T2 or T3N, be serviced, and depart. :o

Unfortunately, it'll only last six weeks. Maybe one day Alaska will fly that route year round.


This strikes me as incredibly odd. Why only for six weeks? I mean that's not even what would be considered "seasonal"!

San Francisco Giants spring training..It's part of AS deal with the Giants as a sponsor..after all they have a plane in Giants livery..and I think they might have done this last spring training also, I would need to be double checked on that.
 
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910A wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
chrisair wrote:

Do you know when they're moving?



Yes, the airplanes will land, taxi to T2 or T3N, be serviced, and depart. :o

Unfortunately, it'll only last six weeks. Maybe one day Alaska will fly that route year round.


This strikes me as incredibly odd. Why only for six weeks? I mean that's not even what would be considered "seasonal"!

San Francisco Giants spring training..It's part of AS deal with the Giants as a sponsor..after all they have a plane in Giants livery..and I think they might have done this last spring training also, I would need to be double checked on that.


They did indeed try it last year. They ran it with the E175.

I do think AS could easily serve PHX 1-2x from some of their other focus cities as well but seems not a priority for them.
 
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alasizon wrote:
cm642 wrote:
chrisair wrote:

I thought everyone was moving to T3 and AS/UA were going to be stuck in T3N during construction?


I'm just going off the last plan I heard of in the 2018 thread a few months back before they announced the demolition, they could've changed it and that could also be the case!
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According to the article, T2 airlines move after completion of the T3N renovation.


I'm pretty sure at least one of the T2 carriers is moving into T3S upon opening or shortly their after. I can't recall if its AS or NK


Sun Country moved from T2 to T3 last month. Maybe this is what you are thinking of?

The initial opening will only have 10 gates. Assuming DL uses 6 gates, then that leaves 4 gates for HA, B6, F9, and SY. I don’t think there would be enough room for AS or NK. We will find out shortly.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:06 am

Osubuckeyes wrote:
They did indeed try it last year. They ran it with the E175.


They used the 737s. Supposedly adding year-round SFO-PHX is something that "AS wants to do," at least according to one poster here with inside information...
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:11 am

chrisair wrote:
Osubuckeyes wrote:
They did indeed try it last year. They ran it with the E175.


They used the 737s. Supposedly adding year-round SFO-PHX is something that "AS wants to do," at least according to one poster here with inside information...


I am not surprised about AS extending SFO-PHX to year-round nonstop service since VX was considering adding service to PHX prior to the AS-VX merger.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:14 am

It surprises me that AA serves PHX-YEG but not PHX-YYC. I was expecting that Calgary being a sister city of Phoenix, AA should consider serving YYC from PHX.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:29 am

master14225 wrote:
It surprises me that AA serves PHX-YEG but not PHX-YYC. I was expecting that Calgary being a sister city of Phoenix, AA should consider serving YYC from PHX.

AA served PHX-YYC back a few years ago. They ended the service around Mid-2016.
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