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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu May 30, 2019 8:50 pm

MO11 wrote:
alasizon wrote:
define "the same".

OO went from no presence, to 13 CRJ-200s based in PHX to now a CRJ-700 fleet that flows between LAX & PHX.
YV went from Dashes and Beechcraft to CRJs to an all CRJ-900 fleet.


Can't forget the fine Fokker 70s. Loved working those.


Fokker 70's, here at PHX??? Whose?

Sexy little planes...as well as the F-100 too. Loved how AA pilots called them the "Spitfire".
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Thu May 30, 2019 8:57 pm

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MO11 wrote:
alasizon wrote:
define "the same".

OO went from no presence, to 13 CRJ-200s based in PHX to now a CRJ-700 fleet that flows between LAX & PHX.
YV went from Dashes and Beechcraft to CRJs to an all CRJ-900 fleet.


Can't forget the fine Fokker 70s. Loved working those.


Fokker 70's, here at PHX??? Whose?

Sexy little planes...as well as the F-100 too. Loved how AA pilots called them the "Spitfire".


I believe YV operated the F70 as America West Express in the 90s.


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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri May 31, 2019 12:06 am

Here you go..I believe Mesa operated two under Desert Sun. Very comfortable, I remember flying on one PHX-FAT maybe around 1996 or 1997..

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Fri May 31, 2019 12:21 am

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Year over year. May 2018-May2019


No, they have changed. As new routes have been added, other routes have been shifted to ML and frequencies have changed as many outstations added DFW service (although for some markets, that only boosted the entire market and PHX frequencies are fuller than ever).

There are routes that go back and forth between the carriers depending on time of year, other routes that have had their service profile changed and so-on.
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:14 pm

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Here you go..I believe Mesa operated two under Desert Sun. Very comfortable, I remember flying on one PHX-FAT maybe around 1996 or 1997..

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Sweet. Looks nice in the HP livery. Thanks for the pic. Where did they fly them to?
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Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:45 pm

cathay747 wrote:
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Here you go..I believe Mesa operated two under Desert Sun. Very comfortable, I remember flying on one PHX-FAT maybe around 1996 or 1997..

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Sweet. Looks nice in the HP livery. Thanks for the pic. Where did they fly them to?


It looks like initial cities were FAT, DSM, and GEG:

http://www.awa-history.org/about_awa/history/
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Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:36 pm

wn676 wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
910A wrote:
Here you go..I believe Mesa operated two under Desert Sun. Very comfortable, I remember flying on one PHX-FAT maybe around 1996 or 1997..


Sweet. Looks nice in the HP livery. Thanks for the pic. Where did they fly them to?


It looks like initial cities were FAT, DSM, and GEG:

http://www.awa-history.org/about_awa/history/


I think those were the only cities; it ended up getting only two airplanes. The maintenance base was FAT.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:23 am

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El Paso and ABQ should have long enough runways, and would have the similar issue around parking as it seems PHX did. Anyways, pretty cool to see the pictures.

I highly doubt either of those airports are qualified to handle an A380 diversion. A diversion of an aircraft that size requires more than simply having the runway length, it requires a study of the taxiways, procedures, and available equipment (support equipment, ARFF, etc.). PHX only completed that work to become an A380 diversion airport around 2012 after a fairly extensive study. Most airports that don't receive Group VI aircraft don't have published procedures to handle such an aircraft.


Ditto with the previous post. ELP's longest runway is over 12,000 ft., but it's only 150 ft., in width. It's my understanding an A380 requires runways to be 200 ft., in width. Taxiways would also need to be able to accommodate. While ELP airport's balance sheet is well in the black airport leadership wouldn't consider it cost effective to make ELP A380-compatible just to handle possible one or two emergency landings a year, if that. PHX is close enough for an A380 to fly there instead.
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:53 pm

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atcsundevil wrote:
hz747300 wrote:
El Paso and ABQ should have long enough runways, and would have the similar issue around parking as it seems PHX did. Anyways, pretty cool to see the pictures.

I highly doubt either of those airports are qualified to handle an A380 diversion. A diversion of an aircraft that size requires more than simply having the runway length, it requires a study of the taxiways, procedures, and available equipment (support equipment, ARFF, etc.). PHX only completed that work to become an A380 diversion airport around 2012 after a fairly extensive study. Most airports that don't receive Group VI aircraft don't have published procedures to handle such an aircraft.


Ditto with the previous post. ELP's longest runway is over 12,000 ft., but it's only 150 ft., in width. It's my understanding an A380 requires runways to be 200 ft., in width. Taxiways would also need to be able to accommodate. While ELP airport's balance sheet is well in the black airport leadership wouldn't consider it cost effective to make ELP A380-compatible just to handle possible one or two emergency landings a year, if that. PHX is close enough for an A380 to fly there instead.


PHX's runways are only 150 ft wide. The bigger issue is how close the runway and taxiway centerlines are. They can't use adjacent taxiways or the north runway simultaneously with Group VI aircraft due to the wingspan.
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:48 pm

Not sure if anyone else saw or posted, but it looks like Sun Country is starting 4x weekly PHX-LAS. Always nice to have more options.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/travel/ ... 340361001/
 
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Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:24 am

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Not sure if anyone else saw or posted, but it looks like Sun Country is starting 4x weekly PHX-LAS. Always nice to have more options.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/travel/ ... 340361001/


Don't understand why they wouldn't make it at least daily.
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Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:26 am

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Osubuckeyes wrote:
Not sure if anyone else saw or posted, but it looks like Sun Country is starting 4x weekly PHX-LAS. Always nice to have more options.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/travel/ ... 340361001/


Don't understand why they wouldn't make it at least daily.


Well... obviously the goal here is to target vacationers who'd rather fly than drive. T/W/Sa is a pretty weak schedule for those folks when it comes to Vegas.

It is rather humorous to watch airline pricing play out though - within hours, AA is matching $49 frequently, and I see a couple of $39's from G4
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:38 pm

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alasizon wrote:
Osubuckeyes wrote:
Not sure if anyone else saw or posted, but it looks like Sun Country is starting 4x weekly PHX-LAS. Always nice to have more options.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/travel/ ... 340361001/


Don't understand why they wouldn't make it at least daily.


Well... obviously the goal here is to target vacationers who'd rather fly than drive. T/W/Sa is a pretty weak schedule for those folks when it comes to Vegas.

It is rather humorous to watch airline pricing play out though - within hours, AA is matching $49 frequently, and I see a couple of $39's from G4


Well I'm glad for it. My dad lives in North Vegas and I'd rather not burn any more miles than I already am so far this year to go there...but the lowest fares I've seen on both AA (my pref. airline) and also WN have been over $300 r/t and I was like, uh, 'NO!' so I figured I'd use miles after all. So if SY brings AA's fares down, great!
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:39 pm

JetSuiteX has announced flights to BUR, LAS, and OAK from PHX.

https://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoen ... -low-as-79
 
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Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:54 pm

Very exciting JetSuiteX news for PHX.
 
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:56 am

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Very exciting JetSuiteX news for PHX.


That might help keep fares low to Vegas. I think it would work. I would fly it.
 
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:05 am

JetSuiteX is an awesome addition to Sky Harbor. I am very excited to try it out along with most people I know!
 
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:42 am

Great addition, will definitely be using them for PHX-BUR as opposed to fighting the non-rev battle.
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:04 am

With DL upgrading Boston to hub status, think we will get competition beyond AA and B6?

Especially with DL adding flights to CVG, I would think BOS would be a given now, but then again we didn’t have service when it was a DL focus city...
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:49 am

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Great addition, will definitely be using them for PHX-BUR as opposed to fighting the non-rev battle.


Yeah, agreed, I'd love to use this to LAS. Poked around on their website and if you're flexible you can get flights at $79 or even $99. Superb. But given their non-recognition so to speak...does anybody know who does their MX and pilot training? Want to try to make sure they're a safe op before putting my butt in a seat.
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:03 pm

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Great addition, will definitely be using them for PHX-BUR as opposed to fighting the non-rev battle.


Yeah, agreed, I'd love to use this to LAS. Poked around on their website and if you're flexible you can get flights at $79 or even $99. Superb. But given their non-recognition so to speak...does anybody know who does their MX and pilot training? Want to try to make sure they're a safe op before putting my butt in a seat.

I believe there were ads to hire mx staff in Phoenix before this announcement. So I would have to assume that they are looking to build this to much larger competition. I have not seen any other airport where they started off with 10 flights right away.
 
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Sun Jun 09, 2019 1:37 am

I dropped my wife off at T3S tonight then drove over to the Starbucks on Priest and Washington but it was closed. While sitting planning my next move, a BA 744 on approach did a go around right overhead and the quick cellphone clip showed it to be the Negus livery. So I hustled over to the “viewpoint” hard against the north fence and got to enjoy watching it land and taxi in, hot on the heels of Condor. Stunning livery in person. Wish my cellphone could handle the contrast when videoing and taking pics.
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Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:54 am

Was out not he Salt River today and saw the DC10 air tanker doing laps, must have been 5+ circuits. Were these training runs or actually dumping on fires?
 
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Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:58 am

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Was out not he Salt River today and saw the DC10 air tanker doing laps, must have been 5+ circuits. Were these training runs or actually dumping on fires?


Unaware of any fires in central AZ at this moment.
 
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Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:29 am

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Was out not he Salt River today and saw the DC10 air tanker doing laps, must have been 5+ circuits. Were these training runs or actually dumping on fires?


Unaware of any fires in central AZ at this moment.


There is one going just outside of Cave Creek as of this morning. Though a DC-10 would seem to be overkill for it.

https://ktar.com/story/2608721/mountain ... vacuation/
 
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Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:52 am

Definitely smoke rising to the east of town.
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Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:08 am

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airzona11 wrote:
Was out not he Salt River today and saw the DC10 air tanker doing laps, must have been 5+ circuits. Were these training runs or actually dumping on fires?


Unaware of any fires in central AZ at this moment.


There’s 7000+ acres ablaze 40 miles NE of Phoenix as of Saturday afternoon.

https://www.abc15.com/news/region-north ... lett-lakes
 
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:05 pm

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With DL upgrading Boston to hub status, think we will get competition beyond AA and B6?

Especially with DL adding flights to CVG, I would think BOS would be a given now, but then again we didn’t have service when it was a DL focus city...


I thought the CVG flight was already dropped. This would be awesome if year round.

Again with AA totally neglecting BNA, there is for sure a place for one more carrier and BNA just was named a focus city as well. Would be nice for DL to go up against WN on this route though I know it is not likely.
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Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:40 pm

Very excited, for once, about an AA schedule change. For my trip in late Sept. to SBN, my PHX-DFW flight has been switched from a LUS 321 to a LUS 752! Will be my 1st 757 since July, 2011, and for several reasons will likely be my last-ever 757. And just a few months before those birds are retired. Given the 0645 departure time, I'm sure it's one of the birds that comes in from Hawaii at 0-dark-30. Can't wait to hear the glorious sound of those RB211-535's!!!
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Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:03 pm

Guys, check this out.

https://amp.azcentral.com/amp/1370805001

It's a new plan for PHX to adapt to ever increasing pax and cargo capacity. It was unanimously voted on by Phoenix City Council. :D
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Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:07 pm

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Given the 0645 departure time, I'm sure it's one of the birds that comes in from Hawaii at 0-dark-30.


No, the earliest Hawaii flight gets in just before 6am, so your airplane will be here overnight.
 
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Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:11 pm

JustWingIt wrote:
Guys, check this out.

https://amp.azcentral.com/amp/1370805001

It's a new plan for PHX to adapt to ever increasing pax and cargo capacity. It was unanimously voted on by Phoenix City Council. :D



If you download this pdf, and go to page 7, you get a clearer illustration.

https://www.phoenix.gov/cityclerksite/City%20Council%20Meeting%20Files/6-11-19%20Policy%20Agenda.pdf
 
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Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:26 pm

Better information is available at http://skyharbor.com/CAMP as it details the plans pretty well. Oddly, the piece missing from the City budget document is the replacement of N3/N4 with N3.5
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Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:20 pm

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Given the 0645 departure time, I'm sure it's one of the birds that comes in from Hawaii at 0-dark-30.


No, the earliest Hawaii flight gets in just before 6am, so your airplane will be here overnight.


The flight in question is #407. Today's flight used the same plane as the Maui flight which arrived at 0542hrs. Tomorrow it overnights from DCA. Some other random dates shows overnights from Cancun. So basically you have to wait and see.
 
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Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:26 pm

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Very excited, for once, about an AA schedule change. For my trip in late Sept. to SBN, my PHX-DFW flight has been switched from a LUS 321 to a LUS 752! Will be my 1st 757 since July, 2011, and for several reasons will likely be my last-ever 757. And just a few months before those birds are retired. Given the 0645 departure time, I'm sure it's one of the birds that comes in from Hawaii at 0-dark-30. Can't wait to hear the glorious sound of those RB211-535's!!!


FWIW, the LUS 757s have been reported as sticking around through 2020 to provide additional domestic lift and cover for the delays in MAX and NEO deliveries. They will be contained to PHX routes in 2020 from what I've heard with LIH being the only Hawaii market in 2020 still as a 757. SAN/BOS/DCA/DFW/PHL are rumored to be the domestic legs.
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Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:40 pm

Yes, flight 407. Thanks guys for all the info in the multiple replies. Whatever the deal is, just happy to be on that 757! Interesting the last bit from "alasizon" about possibly remaining thru 2020...we can hope!
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Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:43 pm

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cathay747 wrote:
Given the 0645 departure time, I'm sure it's one of the birds that comes in from Hawaii at 0-dark-30.


No, the earliest Hawaii flight gets in just before 6am, so your airplane will be here overnight.


The flight in question is #407. Today's flight used the same plane as the Maui flight which arrived at 0542hrs. Tomorrow it overnights from DCA. Some other random dates shows overnights from Cancun. So basically you have to wait and see.


I guess so...the OGG-PHX flight this morning was scheduled in at 607am, but was early. On the schedule, that would have been a 38 minute turn.
 
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Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:48 pm

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910A wrote:

The flight in question is #407. Today's flight used the same plane as the Maui flight which arrived at 0542hrs. Tomorrow it overnights from DCA. Some other random dates shows overnights from Cancun. So basically you have to wait and see.


I guess so...the OGG-PHX flight this morning was scheduled in at 607am, but was early. On the schedule, that would have been a 38 minute turn.


It likely was supposed to turn from CUN but CUN cancelled last night due to pressurization issues in CUN.
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Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:53 pm

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They will be contained to PHX routes in 2020 from what I've heard with LIH being the only Hawaii market in 2020 still as a 757. SAN/BOS/DCA/DFW/PHL are rumored to be the domestic legs.


That's more or less what they fly now, with the addition of Charlotte. Nice change from the A321s that fly that route.
 
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Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:03 pm

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alasizon wrote:
They will be contained to PHX routes in 2020 from what I've heard with LIH being the only Hawaii market in 2020 still as a 757. SAN/BOS/DCA/DFW/PHL are rumored to be the domestic legs.


That's more or less what they fly now, with the addition of Charlotte. Nice change from the A321s that fly that route.


Difference is without the HI legs, that is a lot more domestic flying for them, a lot more frequency.
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Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:31 pm

Are there any mock-ups of what the new T3N will look like? As someone mentioned upthread, I too am surprised at just how much of a full gut the terminal is getting.
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:26 am

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Are there any mock-ups of what the new T3N will look like? As someone mentioned upthread, I too am surprised at just how much of a full gut the terminal is getting.


https://youtu.be/FHdNMiF5byw

This is an old video rendering, but it should hopefully give you a good idea of what it may look like.
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Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:55 am

Structurally nothing is really changing with the actual concourse on T3N. They are bumping out the middle section to make addl square footage for a club and restaurants. The work is mostly just updating the building to more modern materials and making some earlier patchwork a bit more permanent.
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Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:10 pm

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BigPlaneGuy13 wrote:
Are there any mock-ups of what the new T3N will look like? As someone mentioned upthread, I too am surprised at just how much of a full gut the terminal is getting.


https://youtu.be/FHdNMiF5byw

This is an old video rendering, but it should hopefully give you a good idea of what it may look like.


That's a good vid, thanks for posting the link. Wow...T3N is going to be quite a sea-change from what it is now!! Certainly a lot brighter. What a welcome change. Now if only the T4 concourses could be at least brightened-up some.
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Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:12 am

Well I have to say I always wondered why PHX-LAS was only served by 2 carriers, now after F9's announcement today, starting in September there will be 5 carriers from the current 2. Anyone think someone will pull out? AA, WN, SY, F9 & JetSuiteX

Also I was surprised about WO YWG-AZA announcement for year around service, instead of YEG-AZA which is still seasonal
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Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:51 pm

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Well I have to say I always wondered why PHX-LAS was only served by 2 carriers, now after F9's announcement today, starting in September there will be 5 carriers from the current 2. Anyone think someone will pull out? AA, WN, SY, F9 & JetSuiteX


Well I am delighted at all of this...FINALLY some lower fares to LAS vs. the outrageous fares charged by the cosy little duopoly of AA/WN!
I never would have flown on SY or F9, mostly because of their lack of presence here but also being ULCC's...however, for the very short hop
to/from LAS, I've no problem with either...although JetSuiteX will be my preference unless the price difference is big, which I'm doubting given all the ancillary fees on SY/F9. Plus the whole "private terminal/no-TSA" draw of JetSuiteX...man that really sounds fantastic!
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Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:53 pm

Apparently AA has just announced starting PHX-CID/ICT/MSY...finally filling that hole in the map of MSY!
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Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:26 pm

Still waiting patiently for AA to bring back PHX-CLE... But always good to get more dots on the map from PHX.
 
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Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:12 pm

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Still waiting patiently for AA to bring back PHX-CLE... But always good to get more dots on the map from PHX.


Likely just not one that is going to happen unless AA opts for a new small ML narrowbody as 319s are in very hot demand within the AA network and I think the route is just too long and thin yield wise. AA hasn't been as keen as UA has on using the E75 on longer (1500+ miles) routes so I don't seem them going down that route either but never say never.
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Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:18 am

alasizon wrote:
Osubuckeyes wrote:
Still waiting patiently for AA to bring back PHX-CLE... But always good to get more dots on the map from PHX.


Likely just not one that is going to happen unless AA opts for a new small ML narrowbody as 319s are in very hot demand within the AA network and I think the route is just too long and thin yield wise. AA hasn't been as keen as UA has on using the E75 on longer (1500+ miles) routes so I don't seem them going down that route either but never say never.


No more so than GRR...and people said that about RDU too. I actually think CVG and CLE are the two biggest holes in AA’s network out of PHX. I don’t think they are going to attack BNA. BDL is another possibility.
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