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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:04 pm

Mboyle1988 wrote:
alasizon wrote:
Likely just not one that is going to happen unless AA opts for a new small ML narrowbody as 319s are in very hot demand within the AA network and I think the route is just too long and thin yield wise. AA hasn't been as keen as UA has on using the E75 on longer (1500+ miles) routes so I don't seem them going down that route either but never say never.


No more so than GRR...and people said that about RDU too. I actually think CVG and CLE are the two biggest holes in AA’s network out of PHX. I don’t think they are going to attack BNA. BDL is another possibility.


GRR is seasonal for that reason; it can't support the route year round. GRR is also 200 miles closer to PHX.
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:34 am

With these adds it will officially bring American to 100+ destinations served from PHX, 102 to be exact!
 
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Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:05 pm

Good & Bad news with the latest OAG update, GRR was finally loaded and MSN starts in late November.

However YVR is gone from 11/20... did not see this coming. mistake maybe?
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:37 pm

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Good & Bad news with the latest OAG update, GRR was finally loaded and MSN starts in late November.


Madison suspended December 4-18.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:15 am

BA744PHX wrote:
Good & Bad news with the latest OAG update, GRR was finally loaded and MSN starts in late November.

However YVR is gone from 11/20... did not see this coming. mistake maybe?


I'm thinking going seasonal maybe???
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:51 am

cm642 wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
Good & Bad news with the latest OAG update, GRR was finally loaded and MSN starts in late November.

However YVR is gone from 11/20... did not see this coming. mistake maybe?


I'm thinking going seasonal maybe???

Hopefully, also Swoop announced YWG-AZA, does anyone know if Flair is coming back?
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:51 am

MO11 wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
Good & Bad news with the latest OAG update, GRR was finally loaded and MSN starts in late November.


Madison suspended December 4-18.

Very odd honestly,
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:18 am

BA744PHX wrote:
MO11 wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
Good & Bad news with the latest OAG update, GRR was finally loaded and MSN starts in late November.


Madison suspended December 4-18.

Very odd honestly,


Post thanksgiving and pre-Christmas is one of the worst (if not the worst) periods of the year for the airlines - Arizona winter travel doesn’t really pick up until after Christmas anyways. Nothing that crazy here... though I guess it’s unusual for AA to do it.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:49 am

MO11 wrote:
JustWingIt wrote:
Guys, check this out.

https://amp.azcentral.com/amp/1370805001

It's a new plan for PHX to adapt to ever increasing pax and cargo capacity. It was unanimously voted on by Phoenix City Council. :D



If you download this pdf, and go to page 7, you get a clearer illustration.

https://www.phoenix.gov/cityclerksite/City%20Council%20Meeting%20Files/6-11-19%20Policy%20Agenda.pdf


Good luck reaching those gate totals without any plan for additional runways. The doubling of gates combined with no focus on additional runways and City of Tempe flight restrictions means this plan, fully built out, is a pipe dream.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:36 am

BA744PHX wrote:
cm642 wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
Good & Bad news with the latest OAG update, GRR was finally loaded and MSN starts in late November.

However YVR is gone from 11/20... did not see this coming. mistake maybe?


I'm thinking going seasonal maybe???

Hopefully, also Swoop announced YWG-AZA, does anyone know if Flair is coming back?


Pretty sure they are. It was a seasonal flight for the snowbird rush, after all.
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 04, 2019 3:56 pm

Just returned from a 4 day trip to LGB on Tuesday on AA. When I got to T4 for check-in, I was like "wasn't this all carpeted before?" Then saw all the terrazzo flooring at bag-claim too on return, but there also saw many areas of the old carpeting, so I knew I hadn't gone insane. I had no idea they were replacing the carpeting with terrazzo flooring. Good idea IMHO...looks nicer (very nice in fact) and I'm sure it's gotta be a helluva lot easier in terms of upkeep!

Was also surprised to see how much of the SkyTrain tracks they've built out westward past T3/T2...I presume this is the line extension which is going to run to the Rental Car Center?

Clearly I don't fly very often as I'm sure this has all been going on for quite a while! LOL Haven't flown anywhere since 2yrs. ago!
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:05 pm

Interesting change of plans...from routesonline: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-to-4q19/

I'm betting due to the continued MAX grounding because there's a separate item about some increased 757 ops to the Caribbean...

American Airlines during the weekend of 30JUN19’s schedule update filed additional Airbus A321neo-operating schedule, which now sees Hawaii service moving forward to the 4th quarter of 2019.

Previously filed from 29MAR20, the A321neo is now scheduled to serve following Hawaii routes from 03OCT19:
Phoenix – Honolulu
Phoenix – Kahului
Phoenix – Kona

Phoenix – Lihue A321neo service remains scheduled from 29MAR20. AA also scheduled one-time A321neo service for Los Angeles – Honolulu market on 14AUG19.
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:35 pm

joeblow10 wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
MO11 wrote:

Madison suspended December 4-18.

Very odd honestly,


Post thanksgiving and pre-Christmas is one of the worst (if not the worst) periods of the year for the airlines - Arizona winter travel doesn’t really pick up until after Christmas anyways. Nothing that crazy here... though I guess it’s unusual for AA to do it.


Yep, early to mid December is one of the slowest travel periods of the year. Especially for a route that is probably heavily driven off of university traffic.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:26 pm

PhilMcCrackin wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
Very odd honestly,


Post thanksgiving and pre-Christmas is one of the worst (if not the worst) periods of the year for the airlines - Arizona winter travel doesn’t really pick up until after Christmas anyways. Nothing that crazy here... though I guess it’s unusual for AA to do it.


Yep, early to mid December is one of the slowest travel periods of the year. Especially for a route that is probably heavily driven off of university traffic.


What you both said about the Thanksgiving-to-Xmas period is generally true, but not to Hawaii! Based on this thinking I planned our 2016 Hawaii trip for the first week of Dec., and let me tell you, the HA flights both ways were still packed in both cabins. The only part of the idea that worked out was that there weren't a gazillion screaming little kids everywhere. Oh and the side-benefit that, without realizing it or planning for it, we were there for the 75th anniversary of Pearl Harbor which was cool as hell. And with those two holidays being American, it doesn't affect the number of Japanese tourists either...so HA at least still does a robust business during that period!
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:51 pm

cathay747 wrote:
Interesting change of plans...from routesonline: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-to-4q19/

I'm betting due to the continued MAX grounding because there's a separate item about some increased 757 ops to the Caribbean..

American Airlines during the weekend of 30JUN19’s schedule update filed additional Airbus A321neo-operating schedule, which now sees Hawaii service moving forward to the 4th quarter of 2019.

Previously filed from 29MAR20, the A321neo is now scheduled to serve following Hawaii routes from 03OCT19:
Phoenix – Honolulu
Phoenix – Kahului
Phoenix – Kona

Phoenix – Lihue A321neo service remains scheduled from 29MAR20. AA also scheduled one-time A321neo service for Los Angeles – Honolulu market on 14AUG19.


This was always the plan (2019Q4), it just hadn't been loaded originally due to the delivery delays for the NEOs. The 75Hs will be relegated to more domestic service (PHX-BOS/CLT/DFW/SAN/PHL etc); that will also help with their reliability as requirements for a flight over land are less stringent than ETOPS. The 75Hs won't be finding their way out to the Carribean; rather those will be the LAA 75Ls that are DFW/MIA based.

PhilMcCrackin wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
Very odd honestly,


Post thanksgiving and pre-Christmas is one of the worst (if not the worst) periods of the year for the airlines - Arizona winter travel doesn’t really pick up until after Christmas anyways. Nothing that crazy here... though I guess it’s unusual for AA to do it.


Yep, early to mid December is one of the slowest travel periods of the year. Especially for a route that is probably heavily driven off of university traffic.


Also likely aircraft availability caused. The pulldown of LGA/JFK/DCA for the holidays also frees up more Regional aircraft in DFW & PHX (indirectly) so it may be that Dec 1H doesn't have the slack. Its also possible Dec 1H just hasn't been loaded fully yet.
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 3:30 pm

alasizon wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
Interesting change of plans...from routesonline: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-to-4q19/

I'm betting due to the continued MAX grounding because there's a separate item about some increased 757 ops to the Caribbean..

American Airlines during the weekend of 30JUN19’s schedule update filed additional Airbus A321neo-operating schedule, which now sees Hawaii service moving forward to the 4th quarter of 2019.

Previously filed from 29MAR20, the A321neo is now scheduled to serve following Hawaii routes from 03OCT19:
Phoenix – Honolulu
Phoenix – Kahului
Phoenix – Kona

Phoenix – Lihue A321neo service remains scheduled from 29MAR20. AA also scheduled one-time A321neo service for Los Angeles – Honolulu market on 14AUG19.


This was always the plan (2019Q4), it just hadn't been loaded originally due to the delivery delays for the NEOs. The 75Hs will be relegated to more domestic service (PHX-BOS/CLT/DFW/SAN/PHL etc); that will also help with their reliability as requirements for a flight over land are less stringent than ETOPS. The 75Hs won't be finding their way out to the Carribean; rather those will be the LAA 75Ls that are DFW/MIA based.


Oh I see. And yes certainly about the non-ETOPS overland routes. And as I previously posted, I'm getting a 75H on PHX-DFW in late Sept., guess it's tied to all of this.
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:08 pm

New service from Frontier to San Diego, Salt Lake City, Fargo and the once a week to Detroit. One can only guess how long these flights will last.
San Diego launches Nov. 14 and will operate year round and daily.

Salt Lake City also launches Nov. 14 and operate year-round, daily service.

Fargo, N.D. starts Nov. 14 and flies on Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday.

Detroit starts Nov. 15 and flies on Wednesdays.

Once a week to Detroit? I'm sure Delta is shaking in their boots.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:57 pm

910A wrote:
New service from Frontier to San Diego, Salt Lake City, Fargo and the once a week to Detroit. One can only guess how long these flights will last.
San Diego launches Nov. 14 and will operate year round and daily.

Salt Lake City also launches Nov. 14 and operate year-round, daily service.

Fargo, N.D. starts Nov. 14 and flies on Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday.

Detroit starts Nov. 15 and flies on Wednesdays.

Once a week to Detroit? I'm sure Delta is shaking in their boots.


DTW will be 4x weekly (M/W/F/Sa).

https://www.azcentral.com/story/travel/ ... 735827001/
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:15 pm

F9LASDEN wrote:
910A wrote:
New service from Frontier to San Diego, Salt Lake City, Fargo and the once a week to Detroit. One can only guess how long these flights will last.
San Diego launches Nov. 14 and will operate year round and daily.

Salt Lake City also launches Nov. 14 and operate year-round, daily service.

Fargo, N.D. starts Nov. 14 and flies on Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday.

Detroit starts Nov. 15 and flies on Wednesdays.

Once a week to Detroit? I'm sure Delta is shaking in their boots.


DTW will be 4x weekly (M/W/F/Sa).

https://www.azcentral.com/story/travel/ ... 735827001/

Makes more sense, I see the paper updated the article after I posted. So Fargo and DTW are seasonal which was left out of the original article.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:14 pm

910A wrote:
New service from Frontier to San Diego, Salt Lake City, Fargo and the once a week to Detroit. One can only guess how long these flights will last.
San Diego launches Nov. 14 and will operate year round and daily.

Salt Lake City also launches Nov. 14 and operate year-round, daily service.

Fargo, N.D. starts Nov. 14 and flies on Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday.

Detroit starts Nov. 15 and flies on Wednesdays.

Once a week to Detroit? I'm sure Delta is shaking in their boots.


There is O/D to skim. Always great to see more airlines add PHX flights.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:51 am

My question is what is the schedule. I don't want to fly PHX SAN at 01:00
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:15 am

travaz wrote:
My question is what is the schedule. I don't want to fly PHX SAN at 01:00


PHX-SAN 0955 - 1012
SAN-PHX 1103 - 1330

PHX-SLC 1427 - 1610
SLC-PHX 1701 - 1848

PHX-FAR 1633 - 2040
FAR-PHX 2130 - 0007

PHX-DTW 0645 - 1239
DTW-PHX 2112 - 2331

Overall looks like competitive timings.
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Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:28 am

travaz wrote:
My question is what is the schedule. I don't want to fly PHX SAN at 01:00


PHX-SAN
-Depart PHX: 9:55am
-Arrive SAN: 10:12am
-Daily, A320

SAN-PHX
-Depart SAN: 11:03am
-Arrive PHX: 1:30pm
-Daily, A320

PHX-SLC
-Depart PHX: 2:27pm
-Arrive SLC: 4:10pm
-Daily, A320

SLC-PHX
-Depart SLC: 5:01pm
-Arrive PHX: 6:48pm
-Daily, A320

PHX-FAR
-Depart PHX: 4:33pm
-Arrive FAR: 8:40pm
-Tu/Th/Su, A320

FAR-PHX
-Depart FAR: 9:30pm
-Arrive PHX: 12:07am
-Tu/Th/Su, A320

PHX-DTW
-Depart PHX: 6:45am
-Arrive DTW: 12:39pm
-M/W/F/Sa, A320

DTW-PHX
-Depart DTW: 9:12pm
-Arrive PHX: 11:31pm
-M/W/F/Sa, A320

Along with these new routes, F9 announced that they are increasing frequencies on their newly-announced LAS-PHX route, increasing it to twice daily in November.

PHX-LAS (9/6-11/13)
-Depart PHX: 2:22pm
-Arrive LAS: 3:37pm (2:37pm after DST)
-Daily, A320

LAS-PHX (9/6-11/13)
-Depart LAS: 12:17pm
-Arrive PHX: 1:37pm (2:37pm after DST)

PHX-LAS (after 11/14)
-Depart PHX: 9:52am
-Arrive LAS: 10:07am
-Daily, A320

-Depart PHX: 5:24pm
-Arrive LAS: 5:39pm
-Daily, A320

LAS-PHX (after 11/14)
-Depart LAS: 10:00am
-Arrive PHX: 12:20pm
-Daily, A320

-Depart LAS: 5:45pm
-Arrive PHX: 8:05pm
-Daily, A320
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Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:01 am

Thanks those times look very good
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:52 am

I'm really surprised to see Frontier beat American to the punch on the Fargo to Phoenix route, it seems like they could've offered a major competition to Allegiant and offered some nice connection times if they timed it right like they do in Sioux Falls and soon to be Rapid City.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:55 am

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I'm really surprised to see Frontier beat American to the punch on the Fargo to Phoenix route, it seems like they could've offered a major competition to Allegiant and offered some nice connection times if they timed it right like they do in Sioux Falls and soon to be Rapid City.


Wouldn't surprise me to see it be added down the line. ICT and CID (which were added this winter season) seem like bigger fish to fry.
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:22 am

I'd agree with you as it's rumored to be added this fall (FAR-PHX) but, thats a lot of seats out of FAR with Allegiant running double daily on some days in the winter on A320s, Frontier 3x weekly on A320 and if AA added it my guess would be it would have to be on a CRJ 900 to be profitable. Lots of seats direct to PHX which would be good for consumers!
 
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Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:04 am

Grandforks12 wrote:
I'd agree with you as it's rumored to be added this fall (FAR-PHX) but, thats a lot of seats out of FAR with Allegiant running double daily on some days in the winter on A320s, Frontier 3x weekly on A320 and if AA added it my guess would be it would have to be on a CRJ 900 to be profitable. Lots of seats direct to PHX which would be good for consumers!


Wouldn't be on anything other than a CR7/CR9. The market isn't big enough to support a daily 319 on AA. It is too late in the season for it to be added for this year so I'd guess you may see it for Winter 2020.
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:49 am

AA updated its "Fact Sheets" and I noticed they have PHX listed as only serving 86 destinations in 5 countries, while the 5 countries part is correct they serve more than 86 with 95+ in actuality. I wonder if they're not including seasonal routes in their count.

http://news.aa.com/multimedia/default.aspx#factsheets
 
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Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:51 am

A new animation showing the new T4 concourse along with the new walkway and security check pointing has been released. Looks good.https://youtu.be/xaYflJE1CIM
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:07 am

Nice video, but it doesn't look like there is a moving walkway between concourses.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:44 pm

Last night sucked.

I flew STL-PHX. We got over Gallup and they put us in a hold. The crew timed out and we were running low on gas, so they sent us to Ontario. My three hour flight ended up being a six hour flight by the time it was all said and done with.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:05 pm

paulsaz wrote:
Nice video, but it doesn't look like there is a moving walkway between concourses.


That apparently is the plan; no moving walkways in the connector at all as the angled corner at D12 will maximize retail space and the connector will have a custom terrazzo floor.
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:17 pm

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Last night sucked.

I flew STL-PHX. We got over Gallup and they put us in a hold. The crew timed out and we were running low on gas, so they sent us to Ontario. My three hour flight ended up being a six hour flight by the time it was all said and done with.

Sometimes monsoon storms just cause havoc..I think this was the first of the year and well overdue. I noticed the JetBlue flight #602 Boston diverted to IWA .
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:34 pm

AA adds seasonal PHX-FAR/COS/FLL/CVG starting December 18th

''Starting Dec. 18, American (Nasdaq: AAL) will launch service between Sky Harbor and Fort Lauderdale International Airport in Florida; Colorado Springs Airport; Hector International Airport in Fargo, North Dakota; and Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport.''

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/new ... s_headline
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:34 pm

Here are the schedules for the new service.
All are the daily, nonstop schedules:

Colorado Springs

Colorado Springs to Phoenix: Depart 6:39 p.m., arrive 10:35 p.m.
Phoenix to Colorado Springs: Depart 4:00 p.m., arrive 5:49 p.m.

Cincinnati

Cincinnati to Phoenix: Depart 4:15 p.m., arrive 6:44 p.m.
Phoenix to Cincinnati: Depart 9:35 a.m., arrive 3:10 p.m.

Fargo

Fargo to Phoenix: Depart 6:22 p.m., arrive 10:35 p.m.
Phoenix to Fargo: Depart 1:30 p.m., arrive 5:26 p.m.

Fort Lauderdale

Fort Lauderdale to Phoenix: Depart 10:35 p.m., arrive 12:17 a.m.
Phoenix to Fort Lauderdale: Depart 12:45 a.m., arrive 6:16 a.m.

I hope that AA isn't expecting much cruise traffic on the return from FLL, that is one awful departure time. Fargo is going to see quite a number seats to PHX area with three airlines. Wonder if F9 will drop service before starting?
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:46 pm

910A wrote:
Here are the schedules for the new service.
Fort Lauderdale

Fort Lauderdale to Phoenix: Depart 10:35 p.m., arrive 12:17 a.m.
Phoenix to Fort Lauderdale: Depart 12:45 a.m., arrive 6:16 a.m.


What a crappy schedule for FLL!

Of course I'll also never understand why AA doesn't have a flight around 1700 or so WB MIA-PHX...they've got a flight at 1415 then not until 2150. I did that late one, was the pits having to hang around MIA after work was done till that late.
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:52 pm

Fargo doesn't surprise me. There are a huge number of ND snowbirds out where I live in east Mesa. North Dakota license plates all over the place during the winter.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:04 pm

All of them make sense....COS resumption is long-overdue...maybe even year-round with 2-3x daily. BNA/BIL/BZN/GUC/HDN/TUL/XNA all should be the next adds from PHX.
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:08 pm

910A wrote:
PhilMcCrackin wrote:
Last night sucked.

I flew STL-PHX. We got over Gallup and they put us in a hold. The crew timed out and we were running low on gas, so they sent us to Ontario. My three hour flight ended up being a six hour flight by the time it was all said and done with.

Sometimes monsoon storms just cause havoc..I think this was the first of the year and well overdue. I noticed the JetBlue flight #602 Boston diverted to IWA .


I was checking FR24 late last night for something unrelated and saw DL1239 from LAS-PHX. In my late night stupor I thought I had missed that Delta FINALLY brought back a Vegas turn. Then I remembered the monsoon storm and sure enough it was a diversion from MSP.

Few years ago I was diverted to LAS from SEA on WN. Peanut allergy on board so they ran out of food and all of us had one glass of water waiting on the tarmac for 2 hours. Made me glad I live in a place where diversions are rare as that is a great way to ruin your night and the next day.
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:14 pm

alasizon wrote:
Grandforks12 wrote:
I'd agree with you as it's rumored to be added this fall (FAR-PHX) but, thats a lot of seats out of FAR with Allegiant running double daily on some days in the winter on A320s, Frontier 3x weekly on A320 and if AA added it my guess would be it would have to be on a CRJ 900 to be profitable. Lots of seats direct to PHX which would be good for consumers!


Wouldn't be on anything other than a CR7/CR9. The market isn't big enough to support a daily 319 on AA. It is too late in the season for it to be added for this year so I'd guess you may see it for Winter 2020.



Apparently the market is big enough for A319 and not too late in the season for it to be added this year haha I had to give you a hard time about it.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:39 pm

Grandforks12 wrote:
alasizon wrote:
Grandforks12 wrote:
I'd agree with you as it's rumored to be added this fall (FAR-PHX) but, thats a lot of seats out of FAR with Allegiant running double daily on some days in the winter on A320s, Frontier 3x weekly on A320 and if AA added it my guess would be it would have to be on a CRJ 900 to be profitable. Lots of seats direct to PHX which would be good for consumers!


Wouldn't be on anything other than a CR7/CR9. The market isn't big enough to support a daily 319 on AA. It is too late in the season for it to be added for this year so I'd guess you may see it for Winter 2020.



Apparently the market is big enough for A319 and not too late in the season for it to be added this year haha I had to give you a hard time about it.


Legitimately and truly surprised that it happened this year. The other December adds of ICT & CID had already been announced. Interesting they are doing all of them with 319s; Fargo I suspect is simply a shot across the bow of F9; I don't think long-term it would support a 319 but there is no CR7/CR9 fleet slack in PHX.
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:26 pm

alasizon wrote:
Grandforks12 wrote:
alasizon wrote:

Wouldn't be on anything other than a CR7/CR9. The market isn't big enough to support a daily 319 on AA. It is too late in the season for it to be added for this year so I'd guess you may see it for Winter 2020.



Apparently the market is big enough for A319 and not too late in the season for it to be added this year haha I had to give you a hard time about it.


Legitimately and truly surprised that it happened this year. The other December adds of ICT & CID had already been announced. Interesting they are doing all of them with 319s; Fargo I suspect is simply a shot across the bow of F9; I don't think long-term it would support a 319 but there is no CR7/CR9 fleet slack in PHX.


I knew the AA route would be added but, I'm truly shocked it's mainline. I thought it would have to be a Mesa CRJ900, it'll be interesting to see Mainline AA here in KFAR. It's been in the works well before F9, of the two announcements I'm more surprised by F9. Now, in peak Winter Season you could see 3x weekly on F9 A320, 7 times weekly on AA A319 both to PHX and then up to 12x weekly on Allegiant to IWA A319 and A320. That's a ton of capacity!
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:27 pm

What is the other city or cities that sees an AA 319 in Fargo. I can't believe the aircraft would sit for 15 hrs. ORD or DFW?
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:54 am

910A wrote:
What is the other city or cities that sees an AA 319 in Fargo. I can't believe the aircraft would sit for 15 hrs. ORD or DFW?


Its only a 50 minute turn in FAR based on your quoted schedule. Where did you get the schedules? I can't seem to find them published anywhere.

910A wrote:
Fargo

Fargo to Phoenix: Depart 6:22 p.m., arrive 10:35 p.m.
Phoenix to Fargo: Depart 1:30 p.m., arrive 5:26 p.m.
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:07 am

Thrilled to see COS get PHX service, hopefully this can grow in to year round and 2-3x daily. Something doesn’t seem right with those times though, COS-PHX at four hours is way off! I thought this would start with a CR7/9 and will be great on a 319!
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:46 am

alasizon wrote:
910A wrote:
What is the other city or cities that sees an AA 319 in Fargo. I can't believe the aircraft would sit for 15 hrs. ORD or DFW?


Its only a 50 minute turn in FAR based on your quoted schedule. Where did you get the schedules? I can't seem to find them published anywhere.

910A wrote:
Fargo

Fargo to Phoenix: Depart 6:22 p.m., arrive 10:35 p.m.
Phoenix to Fargo: Depart 1:30 p.m., arrive 5:26 p.m.


Correct, it would be just an in and out turn and not overnight. Similar flight time to that in FSD. FAR has 2x daily DFW on E175 and ORD 3x daily ranging from a E145, CRJ700, and E175.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:05 am

alasizon wrote:
910A wrote:
What is the other city or cities that sees an AA 319 in Fargo. I can't believe the aircraft would sit for 15 hrs. ORD or DFW?


Its only a 50 minute turn in FAR based on your quoted schedule. Where did you get the schedules? I can't seem to find them published anywhere.

910A wrote:
Fargo

Fargo to Phoenix: Depart 6:22 p.m., arrive 10:35 p.m.
Phoenix to Fargo: Depart 1:30 p.m., arrive 5:26 p.m.


Schedules were posted on AZ Central..I got confused regarding the turnaround time, I was mentally seeing Phoenix-Fargo on the top line..Happens when one is getting older.. :shakehead:
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:57 pm

910A wrote:
Schedules were posted on AZ Central..I got confused regarding the turnaround time, I was mentally seeing Phoenix-Fargo on the top line..Happens when one is getting older.. :shakehead:


The schedules don't quite make sense though so something is off. FAR-PHX and COS-PHX are not four hour legs (FAR-PHX would be five with the time difference).

The 10:35 arrival times also don't make sense if the intention is to serve at least some connections as that would only connect them to a handful of flights on non-Flex days. A 20:35 arrival time would make more sense (both in how long it takes to actually fly and when it comes to connections).
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:57 pm

OKCDCA wrote:
Thrilled to see COS get PHX service, hopefully this can grow in to year round and 2-3x daily. Something doesn’t seem right with those times though, COS-PHX at four hours is way off! I thought this would start with a CR7/9 and will be great on a 319!


About time.. this was one of the holes in their route map out of PHX...I think this will be more popular than F9's current schedule. I definitely expect 2-3 daily on CR7/CR9s on this route if the flights go daily. Someone had posted earlier that there is no slack in PHX CRJs so it would interesting how AA would swing this.
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