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Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:55 pm

It will be nice to see the Aircraft in PHX for the last time. I hope I can make it tonight. I am also looking forward to seeing the 789 tomorrow.
 
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Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:44 am

Was cool to hear “requesting to push for the last time” on ground.
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Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:53 pm

Damn it, I totally forgot about the last BA 744 last nite and didn't go out to PHX. Bloody hell.
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Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:09 pm

I was listening to Tower when it left. It was cool to hear to takeoff clearance given. I went back and listened to the recording of it coming in and they had him do a long rollout.
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Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:03 am

And just like that its gone. No more 747 operating BA289. Sad, good for a chance, but i’ll miss it. The 77W will be nice, though.
 
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Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:40 am

colemcandrew wrote:
And just like that its gone. No more 747 operating BA289. Sad, good for a chance, but i’ll miss it. The 77W will be nice, though.

I believe it's a 789, not a 77W.
 
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Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:22 pm

WN could re-add PHX-BOS nonstop service to remain competitive against AA in the PHX market, and WN does have a customer base in Greater Phoenix to support PHX-BOS nonstop service.

Here were the number of passengers and load factors back when WN was last operating PHX-BOS nonstop service:
2011 - 91911 passengers, 92.79% load factor
2012 - 57921 passengers, 94.07% load factor

I am unsure why WN dropped PHX-BOS nonstop service 7 years ago when the demand was clearly there and when WN had a customer base in Greater Phoenix, Greater Las Vegas, and Southern California to support PHX-BOS nonstop service.

WN is also now bigger in BOS than was the case when WN last operated PHX-BOS nonstop service, and WN will also still be bigger in BOS after it drops BOS-ATL/MCI/MKE nonstop service and reduces BOS-ATL/DAL nonstop service to year-round.
 
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Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:24 pm

acentauri wrote:
colemcandrew wrote:
And just like that its gone. No more 747 operating BA289. Sad, good for a chance, but i’ll miss it. The 77W will be nice, though.

I believe it's a 789, not a 77W.


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Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:28 pm

The appearance of the 77W bodes well for the route - it's more premium on a percentage basis than the 744 was.
 
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:09 pm

Saw on Twitter NK is moving to T3, did anything change in T2 to prompt that operationally, or was it just a move of ease since they have a relatively small operation and T2 is closing eventually anyways?
 
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Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:52 am

With the schedule change, BA's PHX flights are back in Terminal 5 at LHR.
 
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910A wrote:
With the schedule change, BA's PHX flights are back in Terminal 5 at LHR.

I am curious, what is the big difference between T3 & T5 at LHR?
 
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Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:09 am

Osubuckeyes wrote:
Saw on Twitter NK is moving to T3, did anything change in T2 to prompt that operationally, or was it just a move of ease since they have a relatively small operation and T2 is closing eventually anyways?


NK is in T3S, which is already open. The other T2 airlines + AC will be in T3N, and HA will move to T3N.
 
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Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:32 am

BA744PHX wrote:
910A wrote:
With the schedule change, BA's PHX flights are back in Terminal 5 at LHR.

I am curious, what is the big difference between T3 & T5 at LHR?


From memory 5 has much better lounges, shops, and other amenities. Also they are about an hour apart and more BA flights depart from 5 so if you’re connecting it’s very hard to do.
 
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Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:23 am

BA744PHX wrote:
910A wrote:
With the schedule change, BA's PHX flights are back in Terminal 5 at LHR.

I am curious, what is the big difference between T3 & T5 at LHR?


T5 is where the majority of BA flights depart. It’s the newest terminal at LHR and quite nice. T3 is the one world terminal with AA also serving it

T3 is a bit dated and there are no windows in the departure hall. T2 has been remodeled and and looks more like T5. So in a since t3 is the oldest looking too.

UK airports want you to shop & dine...and then announce your gate about 1hr to 45min prior to departure...where you then walk to your gate.

T3 is like this. Think of the departure hall similar to a mall and food court. No windows and not that exciting if your an avgeek. Lots of stores and food options and seating. You hang out here before your flight

T5 is pretty much all glass and has great views of the operations depending on which runways they are using. Yes there are lots of shops, but it’s very open and less claustrophobic.

They also have BAs premium lounges on including the Concorde room. They lounges are stunning.




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Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:25 am

It will be nice not having to connect between T3 to T5.

Last time I flew to CDG via LHR I had the option of booking a tighter connection of about 1hr 45min. In the US that’s plenty...At Heathrow not so much.

The cue for the bus to T5 was quite long. Then when we got on it. Went thru transfers and security. By this point the earlier flight had departed. Thankful we had more time.

I now allow 3 hours minimum. However, heathrow t5 is pretty airport to walk around in.


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Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:18 am

bryancsnider wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
910A wrote:
With the schedule change, BA's PHX flights are back in Terminal 5 at LHR.

I am curious, what is the big difference between T3 & T5 at LHR?


T5 is where the majority of BA flights depart. It’s the newest terminal at LHR and quite nice. T3 is the one world terminal with AA also serving it

T3 is a bit dated and there are no windows in the departure hall. T2 has been remodeled and and looks more like T5. So in a since t3 is the oldest looking too.

UK airports want you to shop & dine...and then announce your gate about 1hr to 45min prior to departure...where you then walk to your gate.

T3 is like this. Think of the departure hall similar to a mall and food court. No windows and not that exciting if your an avgeek. Lots of stores and food options and seating. You hang out here before your flight

T5 is pretty much all glass and has great views of the operations depending on which runways they are using. Yes there are lots of shops, but it’s very open and less claustrophobic.

They also have BAs premium lounges on including the Concorde room. They lounges are stunning.

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Thanks for the info, I never understood why some users made big deals about their cities flights switching between these two terminals. Is it safe to assume T3 is catered to LON O&D passengers only?
 
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Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:45 pm

BA744PHX wrote:
bryancsnider wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
I am curious, what is the big difference between T3 & T5 at LHR?


T5 is where the majority of BA flights depart. It’s the newest terminal at LHR and quite nice. T3 is the one world terminal with AA also serving it

T3 is a bit dated and there are no windows in the departure hall. T2 has been remodeled and and looks more like T5. So in a since t3 is the oldest looking too.

UK airports want you to shop & dine...and then announce your gate about 1hr to 45min prior to departure...where you then walk to your gate.

T3 is like this. Think of the departure hall similar to a mall and food court. No windows and not that exciting if your an avgeek. Lots of stores and food options and seating. You hang out here before your flight

T5 is pretty much all glass and has great views of the operations depending on which runways they are using. Yes there are lots of shops, but it’s very open and less claustrophobic.

They also have BAs premium lounges on including the Concorde room. They lounges are stunning.

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Thanks for the info, I never understood why some users made big deals about their cities flights switching between these two terminals. Is it safe to assume T3 is catered to LON O&D passengers only?


I don't think so, but that being said, I've never understood what BA's logic is in determining which flights (on their own metal) are at/remain at T3. But anything being moved from T3 to T5 is GOOD for anybody making an onward BA connection...unless of course your connecting flight is at T3!! LOL The joke of this is that I remember the pre-T5-opening hoopla they were spreading in their dog-and-pony shows to us corp. travel mgmt. companies years ago, hyping it as the first time in history that "all of BA's flights at LHR would be under the same roof" or words to that effect. Well, we all have seen how THAT ended up! I find it hard to believe that they didn't know by then that it wasn't going to be possible...just as hard as I find it to believe that they didn't have T5 designed to be big enough for all their ops in the first place given that it was a clean-sheet new terminal. Shaking my head. How could they not have known?
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Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:11 pm

As for T3, I think BA has historically put the flights to the more leisure-oriented destinations there. Apparently in the case of PHX there might now be enough business traffic to warrant its move to T5.
 
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Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:00 pm

1337Delta764 wrote:
As for T3, I think BA has historically put the flights to the more leisure-oriented destinations there. Apparently in the case of PHX there might now be enough business traffic to warrant its move to T5.


Also had to do with the equipment operated. The 744 that PHX got is not operating to SAN which moved to T3, while the 789 that operated to SAN in the winter is now going to PHX and it operated out of T5.
 
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Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:45 pm

bryancsnider wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
910A wrote:
With the schedule change, BA's PHX flights are back in Terminal 5 at LHR.

I am curious, what is the big difference between T3 & T5 at LHR?


T5 is where the majority of BA flights depart. It’s the newest terminal at LHR and quite nice. T3 is the one world terminal with AA also serving it

T3 is a bit dated and there are no windows in the departure hall. T2 has been remodeled and and looks more like T5. So in a since t3 is the oldest looking too.

UK airports want you to shop & dine...and then announce your gate about 1hr to 45min prior to departure...where you then walk to your gate.

T3 is like this. Think of the departure hall similar to a mall and food court. No windows and not that exciting if your an avgeek. Lots of stores and food options and seating. You hang out here before your flight

T5 is pretty much all glass and has great views of the operations depending on which runways they are using. Yes there are lots of shops, but it’s very open and less claustrophobic.

They also have BAs premium lounges on including the Concorde room. They lounges are stunning.




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Minor point, T2 was demolished and rebuilt rather than remodelled :)
 
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Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:23 am

Quick question, I had heard something a while back about Gateway possibly becoming a Class C instead of a very busy Delta. Are there any updates on whether or not this will go through?
 
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Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:54 am

What's the story behind the UA 777-200 that was at West Cargo today?
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Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:08 am

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What's the story behind the UA 777-200 that was at West Cargo today?


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Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:59 am

SierraPacific wrote:
Quick question, I had heard something a while back about Gateway possibly becoming a Class C instead of a very busy Delta. Are there any updates on whether or not this will go through?


The traffic the gateway already surpasses what is seen at a typical Class D airport. I wouldn't be surprised if in the next few years that gateway becomes a class c and the FAA taking over tower ops.
 
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Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:50 pm

BA289's on-time performance has sure seen an improvement now that it's a 789. Hardly a surprise, and still sad we lost the 744, but this is certainly good for the pax! Every day I looked at FLIFO it's left LHR more or less on time, some days right on the dot; it's even been arriving quite early, but of course that's probably due to favorable winds aloft.
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:12 pm

AN-124 inbound, due around 11:30AM.
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:29 pm

cathay747 wrote:
Damn it, I totally forgot about the last BA 744 last nite and didn't go out to PHX. Bloody hell.


I was a little surprised that I was the only one taking video. She flew pretty low over 24th street (as usual) and made for a nice goodbye vid.
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:56 am

skyharborshome wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
Damn it, I totally forgot about the last BA 744 last nite and didn't go out to PHX. Bloody hell.


I was a little surprised that I was the only one taking video. She flew pretty low over 24th street (as usual) and made for a nice goodbye vid.


Does anyone have pics of videos of the 789 yet?
 
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:17 pm

4holer wrote:
AN-124 inbound, due around 11:30AM.

Is it still here?
 
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:06 pm

BA744PHX wrote:
skyharborshome wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
Damn it, I totally forgot about the last BA 744 last nite and didn't go out to PHX. Bloody hell.


I was a little surprised that I was the only one taking video. She flew pretty low over 24th street (as usual) and made for a nice goodbye vid.


Does anyone have pics of videos of the 789 yet?


I don't think so, it's pretty much completely dark when it arrives and departs, makes it hard to video or photograph.
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:30 pm

There is a 787 landing video on Youtube from this week.
 
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:29 am

treebeard787 wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
skyharborshome wrote:

I was a little surprised that I was the only one taking video. She flew pretty low over 24th street (as usual) and made for a nice goodbye vid.


Does anyone have pics of videos of the 789 yet?


I don't think so, it's pretty much completely dark when it arrives and departs, makes it hard to video or photograph.
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There is a 787 landing video on Youtube from this week.


Ah thanks, i finally found it, sorry I'm not in PHX and was unaware of how early the sunset.

I found the video thanks!
 
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:43 am

IS there a link to the video I can't find it or how about the exact title?
 
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:01 am

travaz wrote:
IS there a link to the video I can't find it or how about the exact title?


https://youtu.be/L8yEQdDHT8E

Go to 4:15
 
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:37 am

AntonioMartin wrote:
4holer wrote:
AN-124 inbound, due around 11:30AM.

Is it still here?


Yes, interesting view parked next to an Atlas 744 and a C-17
 
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:57 pm

wetpantsmcgee wrote:
AntonioMartin wrote:
4holer wrote:
AN-124 inbound, due around 11:30AM.

Is it still here?


Yes, interesting view parked next to an Atlas 744 and a C-17

Talking about the fence on buckeye road where you can get pretty close up?
 
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:23 pm

Surprised that this wasn't posted yet. Terminal 2 will be replaced by "bus gates" which is the term used by the paper, I prefer the term remote gates. The airport will be seeking bids on buses to operate transfer the passengers to the planes. https://www.azcentral.com/story/travel/ ... 499296001/
 
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Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:27 am

Ishrion wrote:
travaz wrote:
IS there a link to the video I can't find it or how about the exact title?


https://youtu.be/L8yEQdDHT8E

Go to 4:15

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Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:56 am

910A wrote:
Surprised that this wasn't posted yet. Terminal 2 will be replaced by "bus gates" which is the term used by the paper, I prefer the term remote gates. The airport will be seeking bids on buses to operate transfer the passengers to the planes. https://www.azcentral.com/story/travel/ ... 499296001/


Article is behind a paywall.

This was already included in the Airfield Layout Plan when it was released earlier this year. Its a temporary stop-gap until the second T3 north concourse is built. The problem with using it for T4 Airlines is there is zero room for a busing operation. The only people I see using it are Spirit and Frontier from T3S for when they have overlapping flights.
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Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:29 pm

wetpantsmcgee wrote:
AntonioMartin wrote:
4holer wrote:
AN-124 inbound, due around 11:30AM.

Is it still here?


Yes, interesting view parked next to an Atlas 744 and a C-17


I saw it yesterday at about noon. Does anyone have any idea what it was doing here ? Or if the C-17 next to it was a pure coincidence ?
 
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Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:31 pm

RobertPhoenix wrote:
wetpantsmcgee wrote:
AntonioMartin wrote:
Is it still here?


Yes, interesting view parked next to an Atlas 744 and a C-17


I saw it yesterday at about noon. Does anyone have any idea what it was doing here ? Or if the C-17 next to it was a pure coincidence ?


Probably more hauling for Intel again.
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:47 pm

Anyone know why BA289 canceled today?

I've yet to see the 789. I saw the 744 nearly everyday on my commute home down the 202, but I haven't seen the 789 once yet because it seems to land later now.
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:18 pm

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Anyone know why BA289 canceled today?

I've yet to see the 789. I saw the 744 nearly everyday on my commute home down the 202, but I haven't seen the 789 once yet because it seems to land later now.


Sadly, even BA's website doesn't show a reason, same as in Amadeus GDS. Their FLIFO isn't "informative"; even for a delay, they just show in Amadeus "DELAY ZO" which appears to be some kind of internal code. So unless somebody knows for sure, I'd just presume it went tech.

And yes, now that the UK is back on standard time, the flight is scheduled in an hour later at roughly 1830 or so as I recall vs. when UK is on DST and then it's due in around 1730-ish. Normal seasonal time-change.
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:51 pm

It doesn't give a reason on FL24 either. I hope some of the people got rebooked on AA flight. It operated on time in both directions.
 
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Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:18 am

Well this week's OAG update was interesting, B6 doubles BOS-PHX-BOS and AA ending PHX-BWI 2daily, I wonder if this is a misfile or something else in the works with those 2 spare AC
 
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Well this week's OAG update was interesting, B6 doubles BOS-PHX-BOS and AA ending PHX-BWI 2daily, I wonder if this is a misfile or something else in the works with those 2 spare AC


AA also ended PHX-FLL (although it is seasonally resuming). AA tends to not like to fly to airports adjacent to their hubs. It wouldn't surprise me if PHX-EWR also meets the axe eventually. Neither BWI nor EWR are served nonstop out of LAX on AA.

It is shocking that PHX-WAS can only support 3x on AA metal. I'd be curious if someone like NK or F9 may be interested in picking up the slack with PHX-BWI.
 
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Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:55 am

Vctony wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
Well this week's OAG update was interesting, B6 doubles BOS-PHX-BOS and AA ending PHX-BWI 2daily, I wonder if this is a misfile or something else in the works with those 2 spare AC


AA also ended PHX-FLL (although it is seasonally resuming). AA tends to not like to fly to airports adjacent to their hubs. It wouldn't surprise me if PHX-EWR also meets the axe eventually. Neither BWI nor EWR are served nonstop out of LAX on AA.

It is shocking that PHX-WAS can only support 3x on AA metal. I'd be curious if someone like NK or F9 may be interested in picking up the slack with PHX-BWI.


I wouldn't be surprised if NK adds BWI-PHX

PHX-FLL is only operating from 12/18-01/06 barely 3 weeks. I think it would of been easier to add a frequency to MIA.
 
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Well this week's OAG update was interesting, B6 doubles BOS-PHX-BOS and AA ending PHX-BWI 2daily, I wonder if this is a misfile or something else in the works with those 2 spare AC


PHX-BWI is currently 1 daily redeye.


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Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:18 am

Vctony wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
Well this week's OAG update was interesting, B6 doubles BOS-PHX-BOS and AA ending PHX-BWI 2daily, I wonder if this is a misfile or something else in the works with those 2 spare AC


AA also ended PHX-FLL (although it is seasonally resuming). AA tends to not like to fly to airports adjacent to their hubs. It wouldn't surprise me if PHX-EWR also meets the axe eventually. Neither BWI nor EWR are served nonstop out of LAX on AA.

It is shocking that PHX-WAS can only support 3x on AA metal. I'd be curious if someone like NK or F9 may be interested in picking up the slack with PHX-BWI.


Yet looking at the schedule tomorrow. PHX-EWR has 4 flights, while BWI is at 1. Not sure one can assume just because BWI is getting the axe EWR will follow.


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