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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:40 am
by 777PHX
AA's first revenue A321NEO flight scheduled to be PHX-MCO on 4/2. Previously scheduled to be PHX-LAX.

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 2:47 pm
by cathay747
777PHX wrote:
AA's first revenue A321NEO flight scheduled to be PHX-MCO on 4/2. Previously scheduled to be PHX-LAX.


Knowing AA's penchant for schedule changes, it wouldn't surprise me if this changed again.

Seeing how we're such a large base for A321ceo's, is it anticipated that that will continue with the neo's? We already know they're going to put the neo's on the Hawaii routes.

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:04 pm
by UpNAWAy
I thought the first Rev flight is not scheduled until May 3rd? In April there will only be 2 AC in April.
The cities seeing them pre ETOPS will be ANC, DCA, DFW, LAX, MCO & PHX.

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:50 pm
by 777PHX
The newest schedules show the second PHX-LHR frequency, the AA metal flight, is going year round daily.

Where are all the dweebs on here that were absolutely adamant that Phoenix was going to become a dehubbed wasteland?

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:21 am
by travaz
777PHX wrote:
The newest schedules show the second PHX-LHR frequency, the AA metal flight, is going year round daily.

Where are all the dweebs on here that were absolutely adamant that Phoenix was going to become a dehubbed wasteland?


:checkmark: :checkmark: :checkmark: :checkmark: :checkmark:
I second that remark!

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:31 am
by chepos
If the AA operated flight is year round (winter), will it operate daily? Seems like a lot of lift to LHR. I have not heard official word from the station regarding this.

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:20 am
by JonNYC
777PHX wrote:
The newest schedules show the second PHX-LHR frequency, the AA metal flight, is going year round daily.

Where are all the dweebs on here that were absolutely adamant that Phoenix was going to become a dehubbed wasteland?

Nicely put

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1088585170574299137

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:05 am
by Mboyle1988
chepos wrote:
If the AA operated flight is year round (winter), will it operate daily? Seems like a lot of lift to LHR. I have not heard official word from the station regarding this.


It’s the best viable option to fly to Europe, Africa, and the nearer parts of Asia. I genuinely think a NRT flight would work well too for the same reason. Who wants to fly through LAX if you don’t have to?

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:47 pm
by cathay747
777PHX wrote:
The newest schedules show the second PHX-LHR frequency, the AA metal flight, is going year round daily.

Where are all the dweebs on here that were absolutely adamant that Phoenix was going to become a dehubbed wasteland?


Oh wow...year-round? That IS news! The last I knew was that it would still be seasonal thru end of Oct. Did we all miss an announcement?

And those dweebs you refer to have mostly been in other threads...in virtually any thread about AA in fact, or so it seems, some armchair CEO always starts beating that long-dead horse.

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:39 pm
by cathay747
Mboyle1988 wrote:
chepos wrote:
If the AA operated flight is year round (winter), will it operate daily? Seems like a lot of lift to LHR. I have not heard official word from the station regarding this.


It’s the best viable option to fly to Europe, Africa, and the nearer parts of Asia. I genuinely think a NRT flight would work well too for the same reason. Who wants to fly through LAX if you don’t have to?


Not just LAX, but SFO, too.

A nonstop from here to NRT has been thoroughly discussed in this thread (either last year or in 2017 or both) and dismissed as not workable, but...I'm leaning towards your thinking, and have for a while. One of the reasons given for it not being workable is lack of demand in the Valley metro area to/from Asia, but...WHAT IF:

1) use either a AA or JL 788, neither of which has a F cabin needing to be filled
2) 4x weekly...hopefully enough freq. for business travelers...I truly can't see more being profitable in any way...maybe 5x weekly after a few years
3) CRITICAL ITEM: would have to be timed to maximize onward connections on JL beyond NRT to as many cities as
possible, especially big markets like HKG/SIN/PEK/SHA/SEL (and also the return so there's no ridiculously long layovers coming back)

Whatever that timing would be, I'm sure it would fit reasonably with one of AA's banks here to allow for some connections on this end in both directions for some regional points where travelers wouldn't have to backtrack to/from DFW.

Do any of you think this could be even remotely possible/workable? It seems roughly comparable to what BA did here.

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:15 pm
by Darenriley
From the AA Network thread on AA’s last earnings call... what markets do you think AA will target? PHX-GRR successful and "more Midwest to come.”

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:22 pm
by jplatts
cathay747 wrote:
A nonstop from here to NRT has been thoroughly discussed in this thread (either last year or in 2017 or both) and dismissed as not workable, but...I'm leaning towards your thinking, and have for a while. One of the reasons given for it not being workable is lack of demand in the Valley metro area to/from Asia, but...WHAT IF:

1) use either a AA or JL 788, neither of which has a F cabin needing to be filled
2) 4x weekly...hopefully enough freq. for business travelers...I truly can't see more being profitable in any way...maybe 5x weekly after a few years
3) CRITICAL ITEM: would have to be timed to maximize onward connections on JL beyond NRT to as many cities as
possible, especially big markets like HKG/SIN/PEK/SHA/SEL (and also the return so there's no ridiculously long layovers coming back)

Whatever that timing would be, I'm sure it would fit reasonably with one of AA's banks here to allow for some connections on this end in both directions for some regional points where travelers wouldn't have to backtrack to/from DFW.

Do any of you think this could be even remotely possible/workable? It seems roughly comparable to what BA did here.


I think that AA or JL adding PHX-NRT nonstop service might be workable since (a) PHX is located in the largest market in the Western U.S. that doesn't currently have any nonstop service to East Asia, (b) JL would be able to connect passengers to other Asian destinations from PHX through NRT if either AA or JL adds PHX-NRT nonstop service, and (c) there are many domestic destinations east of PHX (including in the Southwest, Midwest, Northeast, and Southeast) that already have nonstop service to PHX on AA.

One advantage of connecting at PHX over DFW is that international departures, international arrivals, and AA domestic flights are all in Terminal 4 at PHX, whereas DFW has AA domestic flights out of Terminals A, B, C, and E in addition to Terminal D (which is the international terminal at DFW). All of the AA domestic gates at PHX are also (a) within walking distance of the international gates at PHX, (b) on the same side of Terminal 4 as the international gates, and (c) connected to the international departures gates behind security.

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:51 pm
by jplatts
Darenriley wrote:
From the AA Network thread on AA’s last earnings call... what markets do you think AA will target? PHX-GRR successful and "more Midwest to come.”


While AA already serves many of the major Midwestern destinations nonstop from PHX, I think that AA is likely to add PHX-CVG and PHX-ICT nonstop service since CVG and ICT are two of the largest markets in the Midwest that AA doesn't currently serve nonstop from PHX.

Even though CLE is one of the largest markets in the Midwest that AA doesn't currently serve nonstop from PHX, I am unsure if AA will bring back PHX-CLE nonstop service since AA dropped PHX-CLE nonstop service almost 3 years ago.

There are also some other routes such as PHX-CID, PHX-LIT, PHX-SDF, PHX-MLI, PHX-BNA, PHX-MSY, PHX-SGF, and PHX-TUL that could be added by AA out of PHX.

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:54 pm
by chepos
Some Midwest markets are low hanging fruit for AA out of PHX, ICT (a resumption), BNA, CVG and CLE (a resumption). COS while not in the Midwest is also a big gap in the network out of PHX, should come to fruition sooner rather than later.
PHX-NRT if it ever comes to fruition would be on AA metal, JAL’s 787 are too premium heavy.

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:03 pm
by travaz
Seeing how AA only has one NS from LAX NRT I wonder if they could start PHX NRT with a 788 as a second flight thru LAX. BA started the service with a tag on to SAN and eventually added a flight LHR SAN. I travel to Asia and hate LAX and but will not back track to DFW. If It was same plane service I could deal with it. This would be a good test of the loads out of PHX. It would suck having to go thru CBP at LAX, that is another pain point but still would be better than the way it is now.

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:06 pm
by cathay747
chepos wrote:
PHX-NRT if it ever comes to fruition would be on AA metal, JAL’s 787 are too premium heavy.


Not necessarily. Have you looked at Seat Guru? JL has one 788 config. with only 30 J-class compared to AA's 28.

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:14 pm
by cathay747
travaz wrote:
Seeing how AA only has one NS from LAX NRT I wonder if they could start PHX NRT with a 788 as a second flight thru LAX. BA started the service with a tag on to SAN and eventually added a flight LHR SAN. I travel to Asia and hate LAX and but will not back track to DFW. If It was same plane service I could deal with it. This would be a good test of the loads out of PHX. It would suck having to go thru CBP at LAX, that is another pain point but still would be better than the way it is now.


Not so sure how good a test it would be. They'd be at a competitive disadvantage (2-stops) to UA and DL for those going to points other than TYO where they could make a single connection at LAX/SFO/SEA. Would only be worthwhile in my mind for TYO O&D.

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:20 pm
by wn676
cathay747 wrote:
chepos wrote:
PHX-NRT if it ever comes to fruition would be on AA metal, JAL’s 787 are too premium heavy.


Not necessarily. Have you looked at Seat Guru? JL has one 788 config. with only 30 J-class compared to AA's 28.


I believe AA is going to 20J with the addition of PE.

travaz wrote:
Seeing how AA only has one NS from LAX NRT I wonder if they could start PHX NRT with a 788 as a second flight thru LAX. BA started the service with a tag on to SAN and eventually added a flight LHR SAN. I travel to Asia and hate LAX and but will not back track to DFW. If It was same plane service I could deal with it. This would be a good test of the loads out of PHX. It would suck having to go thru CBP at LAX, that is another pain point but still would be better than the way it is now.


AA also serves LAX-HND, so they would essentially be offering 3 daily flights to Tokyo. Also, anyone connecting beyond NRT, which this flight would probably have to rely heavily on, would be double-connecting.

I’ll caveat this by saying that I don’t think it is likely. BUT...let’s say AA cedes LAX-NRT to JL to handle beyond-NRT connectivity for LAX-originating customers and focuses strictly on serving the Tokyo market from LAX. That could open up the possibility for PHX-NRT. Connectivity to SE Asia in particular would be key though.

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:29 pm
by travaz
cathay747 wrote:
travaz wrote:
Seeing how AA only has one NS from LAX NRT I wonder if they could start PHX NRT with a 788 as a second flight thru LAX. BA started the service with a tag on to SAN and eventually added a flight LHR SAN. I travel to Asia and hate LAX and but will not back track to DFW. If It was same plane service I could deal with it. This would be a good test of the loads out of PHX. It would suck having to go thru CBP at LAX, that is another pain point but still would be better than the way it is now.


Not so sure how good a test it would be. They'd be at a competitive disadvantage (2-stops) to UA and DL for those going to points other than TYO where they could make a single connection at LAX/SFO/SEA. Would only be worthwhile in my mind for TYO O&D.



I was thinking of O&D. I forgot about the HND flight. It was just an Idea.

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:41 pm
by MO11
777PHX wrote:
The newest schedules show the second PHX-LHR frequency, the AA metal flight, is going year round daily.

Where are all the dweebs on here that were absolutely adamant that Phoenix was going to become a dehubbed wasteland?


For whatever it's worth, this was in FlightGlobal a few months ago, in response to a blogger who prediected dehubbing:

Vasu Raja, vice-president of network and schedule planning at American, told Snyder earlier October that Phoenix was no longer the east-west connecting hub for the airline as it was at US Airways, but a "mountains to the world" hub.

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 5:29 pm
by jplatts
wn676 wrote:
AA also serves LAX-HND, so they would essentially be offering 3 daily flights to Tokyo. Also, anyone connecting beyond NRT, which this flight would probably have to rely heavily on, would be double-connecting.

I’ll caveat this by saying that I don’t think it is likely. BUT...let’s say AA cedes LAX-NRT to JL to handle beyond-NRT connectivity for LAX-originating customers and focuses strictly on serving the Tokyo market from LAX. That could open up the possibility for PHX-NRT. Connectivity to SE Asia in particular would be key though.


There are a few East Asian destinations outside of Japan that JL serves nonstop from HND but not from NRT such as CAN, GMP, SHA, and TSA. There are also some Asian destinations outside of Japan such as BKK, PEK, SGN, HKG, PVG, and SIN that already have nonstop service to both HND and NRT on JL. There are also some Japanese destinations that JL serves nonstop from HND but not from NRT.

Connecting opportunities to other Asian destinations already exists at HND on JL, and AA would still be able to connect passengers onto JL flights to other Asian destinations at HND if it drops LAX-NRT nonstop service.

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:07 pm
by wn676
jplatts wrote:
wn676 wrote:
AA also serves LAX-HND, so they would essentially be offering 3 daily flights to Tokyo. Also, anyone connecting beyond NRT, which this flight would probably have to rely heavily on, would be double-connecting.

I’ll caveat this by saying that I don’t think it is likely. BUT...let’s say AA cedes LAX-NRT to JL to handle beyond-NRT connectivity for LAX-originating customers and focuses strictly on serving the Tokyo market from LAX. That could open up the possibility for PHX-NRT. Connectivity to SE Asia in particular would be key though.


There are a few East Asian destinations outside of Japan that JL serves nonstop from HND but not from NRT such as CAN, GMP, SHA, and TSA. There are also some Asian destinations outside of Japan such as BKK, PEK, SGN, HKG, PVG, and SIN that already have nonstop service to both HND and NRT on JL. There are also some Japanese destinations that JL serves nonstop from HND but not from NRT.

Connecting opportunities to other Asian destinations already exists at HND on JL, and AA would still be able to connect passengers onto JL flights to other Asian destinations at HND if it drops LAX-NRT nonstop service.


AA’s flight arrives at 15:25, so only GMP and TSA on JL offer a realistic connection time. While PEK would also work, AA serves that market non-stop. The rest would require a long layover:

CAN - 17h25m
SHA - 17h50m
BKK - 8h40m
SGN - 10h5m
SIN - 8h40m

PVG and HKG are excluded as well because AA also serves those cities non-stop. And keep in mind that JL is flying LAX-NRT with an almost identical schedule, so connectivity over NRT would remain for their LAX customer base.

My main point was that AA/JL could continue to serve both airports, perhaps improve LAX-TYO yields, and open a new market (we’d all love it if it was PHX) with their recently freed asset.

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:03 am
by cathay747
MO11 wrote:
777PHX wrote:
The newest schedules show the second PHX-LHR frequency, the AA metal flight, is going year round daily.

Where are all the dweebs on here that were absolutely adamant that Phoenix was going to become a dehubbed wasteland?


For whatever it's worth, this was in FlightGlobal a few months ago, in response to a blogger who prediected dehubbing:

Vasu Raja, vice-president of network and schedule planning at American, told Snyder earlier October that Phoenix was no longer the east-west connecting hub for the airline as it was at US Airways, but a "mountains to the world" hub.


Now that is a very interesting quote! However I dare say they still have quite a bit of east/west connecting traffic, no?

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:05 am
by cathay747
travaz wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
travaz wrote:
Seeing how AA only has one NS from LAX NRT I wonder if they could start PHX NRT with a 788 as a second flight thru LAX. BA started the service with a tag on to SAN and eventually added a flight LHR SAN. I travel to Asia and hate LAX and but will not back track to DFW. If It was same plane service I could deal with it. This would be a good test of the loads out of PHX. It would suck having to go thru CBP at LAX, that is another pain point but still would be better than the way it is now.


Not so sure how good a test it would be. They'd be at a competitive disadvantage (2-stops) to UA and DL for those going to points other than TYO where they could make a single connection at LAX/SFO/SEA. Would only be worthwhile in my mind for TYO O&D.



I was thinking of O&D. I forgot about the HND flight. It was just an Idea.


Ah, OK. And so did I. And not an outlandish idea, maybe for O&D it would be a cautious start.

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:10 am
by cathay747
wn676 wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
Not necessarily. Have you looked at Seat Guru? JL has one 788 config. with only 30 J-class compared to AA's 28.


I believe AA is going to 20J with the addition of PE.

I’ll caveat this by saying that I don’t think it is likely.

Connectivity to SE Asia in particular would be key though.


I didn't know that...then yes, I'd say AA metal would be the way to go with the fewest number of J seats (and of course, still no F)

I don't think so either, even though I think it might just work...but if so, probably a couple years down the line (or more).

TOTALLY! Without that, forget it.

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:19 am
by allegiantflyer
Great numbers for IWA! 10% increase from the previous record set in 2012

https://www.gatewayairport.com/pressrelease?id=165

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:33 pm
by treebeard787
JAL 787-9 is inbound to PHX today
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/JAL8804

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:37 pm
by INFINITI329
treebeard787 wrote:
JAL 787-9 is inbound to PHX today
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/JAL8804


I am assuming a baseball charter?

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:42 pm
by treebeard787
INFINITI329 wrote:
treebeard787 wrote:
JAL 787-9 is inbound to PHX today
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/JAL8804


I am assuming a baseball charter?


I believe so yes. Last year an ANA 787 was used for this.

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:53 pm
by 777PHX
allegiantflyer wrote:
Great numbers for IWA! 10% increase from the previous record set in 2012

https://www.gatewayairport.com/pressrelease?id=165


As the sprawl goes out in that direction, I think it's only a matter of time before a big name carrier tries service there again.

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:29 pm
by cm642
Just out of curiosity do you guys think AA will go toe-to-toe with Allegiant on smaller markets, I've noticed the big three doing this quite a bit. To name a few AA added Guadalajara from CLT just after Volaris announced service or UA adding Burlington out of DEN after Frontier announced service. I know they did this with F9 when it came to Grand Rapids and Madison. Granted they operate out of two different airports it seems like Allegiant makes markets work out of IWA that American Eagle also serves so it seems like there's a market for those routes! What are your thoughts?

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:57 pm
by cathay747
treebeard787 wrote:
INFINITI329 wrote:
treebeard787 wrote:
JAL 787-9 is inbound to PHX today
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/JAL8804


I am assuming a baseball charter?


I believe so yes. Last year an ANA 787 was used for this.


Do these baseball charters block-on to B23 or 25 to disembark the pax? And presuming they do, I also presume they're then towed to a remote stand to await the return flight? Those charters must cost the ball team a big pile of Yen!

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:33 am
by cm642
Phoenix Sky Harbor sets passenger record in 2018
The airport says the previous record was set in 2015 with just over 44 million passengers.

PHOENIX — Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport reports it set a passenger record in 2018 with just under 45 million travelers passing through the airport.

The airport says the previous record was just over 44 million passengers in 2015 and that 2018's headcount of 44,943,686 was up 2.3 percent from 2017.


https://www.12news.com/article/news/local/valley/phoenix-sky-harbor-sets-passenger-record-in-2018/75-03ae80bc-4d03-415b-9966-f2dd55b01169

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:11 am
by treebeard787
cathay747 wrote:
treebeard787 wrote:
INFINITI329 wrote:

I am assuming a baseball charter?


I believe so yes. Last year an ANA 787 was used for this.


Do these baseball charters block-on to B23 or 25 to disembark the pax? And presuming they do, I also presume they're then towed to a remote stand to await the return flight? Those charters must cost the ball team a big pile of Yen!


They did use gate B25 to clear customs, and once the aircraft was unloaded they towed it over to the ramp west of T2. It departed empty back to NRT earlier this evening.

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:08 am
by hz747300
Looking at the JAL flights on Flight Aware, I like those travel times. Living in HKG with the holidays in PHX, it would be pretty nice to do the 3/3:30hr to Tokyo, ~2hr layover, then 9.5 hours to PHX. And the return of 11:5 hours PHX-NRT with ~2hr layover plus 4hr NRT-HKG would be a nice option. Traveling with three toddlers that's a good separation.

I now believe we'll likely not see a NRT/HND flight soon, but it would be nice.

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:20 pm
by cathay747
treebeard787 wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
treebeard787 wrote:

I believe so yes. Last year an ANA 787 was used for this.


Do these baseball charters block-on to B23 or 25 to disembark the pax? And presuming they do, I also presume they're then towed to a remote stand to await the return flight? Those charters must cost the ball team a big pile of Yen!


They did use gate B25 to clear customs, and once the aircraft was unloaded they towed it over to the ramp west of T2. It departed empty back to NRT earlier this evening.


Damn, they ferry it back to Japan empty? Yikes. Then they've got to have another ferry come back empty to pick them up...so as I said, this must cost big Yen! I must presume that costs less than what JL would charge to have the airplane sit here for however many days the team is in town.

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:23 pm
by cathay747
hz747300 wrote:
Looking at the JAL flights on Flight Aware, I like those travel times. Living in HKG with the holidays in PHX, it would be pretty nice to do the 3/3:30hr to Tokyo, ~2hr layover, then 9.5 hours to PHX. And the return of 11:5 hours PHX-NRT with ~2hr layover plus 4hr NRT-HKG would be a nice option. Traveling with three toddlers that's a good separation.

I now believe we'll likely not see a NRT/HND flight soon, but it would be nice.


I agree...short-term we're not going to see it, but maybe within 5 years? Although I feel that they should, where possible, not have connection times exceed 1.5hrs to be more competitive with LAX/SFO/SEA routings.

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:19 pm
by Osubuckeyes
Seems a bit early for Spring Training charters, maybe it was related to the WMO?

Also Oakland & Seattle will be opening the MLB season this year in Japan so we should see some additional widebody action around March for the team charters in addition to the normal fan charters.

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:03 pm
by 777PHX
Osubuckeyes wrote:
Seems a bit early for Spring Training charters, maybe it was related to the WMO?


It's Spring Training related, it's been an annual thing for the past few years. Pitchers and catchers for MLB teams report on 2/12, so it's not that far away.

cathay747 wrote:
I agree...short-term we're not going to see it, but maybe within 5 years? Although I feel that they should, where possible, not have connection times exceed 1.5hrs to be more competitive with LAX/SFO/SEA routings.


I think we'll see it in the distant future, 5-10 years from now. With the influx of tech companies and the rapidly expanding population in the area, the case for such a flight only gets better as time goes on.

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:26 am
by alasizon
777PHX wrote:
Osubuckeyes wrote:
Seems a bit early for Spring Training charters, maybe it was related to the WMO?


It's Spring Training related, it's been an annual thing for the past few years. Pitchers and catchers for MLB teams report on 2/12, so it's not that far away.


Its been the Hokkaido Street Fighters for the past couple years who do their Spring Training at the Peoria Sports Complex for two weeks before the Mariners and Padres report.

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:39 pm
by 777PHX
alasizon wrote:
777PHX wrote:
Osubuckeyes wrote:
Seems a bit early for Spring Training charters, maybe it was related to the WMO?


It's Spring Training related, it's been an annual thing for the past few years. Pitchers and catchers for MLB teams report on 2/12, so it's not that far away.


Its been the Hokkaido Street Fighters for the past couple years who do their Spring Training at the Peoria Sports Complex for two weeks before the Mariners and Padres report.


Best team name ever.

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:25 pm
by cm642
Just noticed AA's daily 787 to ORD is scheduled all the way into May. If I recall it was originally only planned for a month or month and a half Jan-Feb but looks like it got extended! Any chance of it being extended into summer or year-round for that matter? Would be cool to see the 788 and 772 on the ground at the same time!

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:20 am
by Darenriley
Is the new Terminal 3 conceived to be upgradable to FIS? You would think if a Sky Team (Aeromexico) or Star Alliance (Lufthansa) partner come back to Phoenix it would be nice to be in the same terminal as their partners and give those international airlines access to their partners lounges.

On a similar note will Air Canada move to Terminal 3 to be next to United and their new lounge?

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:27 am
by treebeard787
Darenriley wrote:
Is the new Terminal 3 conceived to be upgradable to FIS? You would think if a Sky Team (Aeromexico) or Star Alliance (Lufthansa) partner come back to Phoenix it would be nice to be in the same terminal as their partners and give those international airlines access to their partners lounges.

On a similar note will Air Canada move to Terminal 3 to be next to United and their new lounge?


T3 was not designed to have FIS added in. T4 will be where FIS is located for the foreseeable future.

I believe it's planned that AC will move over to T3 once the work is completed on the north concourse.

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:29 pm
by alasizon
cm642 wrote:
Just noticed AA's daily 787 to ORD is scheduled all the way into May. If I recall it was originally only planned for a month or month and a half Jan-Feb but looks like it got extended! Any chance of it being extended into summer or year-round for that matter? Would be cool to see the 788 and 772 on the ground at the same time!


It was originally loaded for Jan-Mar but was carried over into Apr/May (there were other plans for it originally but the schedule was changed). I suspect it'll be seasonal each year Nov-May; the 788 has better uses each year during the summer than PHX.

treebeard787 wrote:
Darenriley wrote:
Is the new Terminal 3 conceived to be upgradable to FIS? You would think if a Sky Team (Aeromexico) or Star Alliance (Lufthansa) partner come back to Phoenix it would be nice to be in the same terminal as their partners and give those international airlines access to their partners lounges.

On a similar note will Air Canada move to Terminal 3 to be next to United and their new lounge?


T3 was not designed to have FIS added in. T4 will be where FIS is located for the foreseeable future.

I believe it's planned that AC will move over to T3 once the work is completed on the north concourse.


AC will re-locate to T3N once the renovations are complete (and it can't come soon enough, the common use gates see delays every Saturday with aircraft holding for the gates).

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:25 pm
by Ceejay12
I know last years thread had this documented, but can someone post an updated schedule of current widebodies flying into PHX? Thank you

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:07 am
by JustWingIt
Ceejay12 wrote:
I know last years thread had this documented, but can someone post an updated schedule of current widebodies flying into PHX? Thank you


Til 4/3
PHX-HNL 333 AA692 12:05PM-4:00PM
HNL-PHX 333 AA693 10:45PM-7:43AM (+1)

CLT-PHX 333 AA1678 7:30AM-10:24AM
PHX-CLT 333 AA1696 9:36AM-3:25PM

Til 2/13
ORD-PHX 788 AA88 11:05AM-1:45PM
PHX-ORD 788 AA88 3:07PM-7:33PM

(P.S. I saw a 788 option until 3/31 as well on a different flight number & similar times, no details. Spring Training??)

Year round from 3/31
LHR-PHX 772 AA195 9:30AM-12:30PM
PHX-LHR 772 AA194 3:00PM-9:23AM (+1)

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:03 am
by JustWingIt
Found stuff on the post-2/13 788 flight.

2/14-3/31 (or later)
ORD-PHX 788 AA2238 11:22AM-2:00PM(12:59PM DST)
PHX-ORD 788 AA2410 3:12PM(2:12PM DST)-7:33PM

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:09 am
by wn676
JustWingIt wrote:
Ceejay12 wrote:
I know last years thread had this documented, but can someone post an updated schedule of current widebodies flying into PHX? Thank you


Til 4/3
PHX-HNL 333 AA692 12:05PM-4:00PM
HNL-PHX 333 AA693 10:45PM-7:43AM (+1)

CLT-PHX 333 AA1678 7:30AM-10:24AM
PHX-CLT 333 AA1696 9:36AM-3:25PM

Til 2/13
ORD-PHX 788 AA88 11:05AM-1:45PM
PHX-ORD 788 AA88 3:07PM-7:33PM

(P.S. I saw a 788 option until 3/31 as well on a different flight number & similar times, no details. Spring Training??)

Year round from 3/31
LHR-PHX 772 AA195 9:30AM-12:30PM
PHX-LHR 772 AA194 3:00PM-9:23AM (+1)


2/14-3/9
ORD-PHX 788 AA2238 11:20-14:00
PHX-ORD 788 AA2410 15:12-19:33

3/10-4/1
ORD-PHX 788 AA2238 11:22-12:59
PHX-ORD 788 AA2410 14:12-19:34

4/1-5/2
ORD-PHX 788 AA605 07:10-08:56
PHX-ORD 788 AA974 10:20-15:45

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:22 am
by JustWingIt
wn676 wrote:
JustWingIt wrote:
Ceejay12 wrote:
I know last years thread had this documented, but can someone post an updated schedule of current widebodies flying into PHX? Thank you


Til 4/3
PHX-HNL 333 AA692 12:05PM-4:00PM
HNL-PHX 333 AA693 10:45PM-7:43AM (+1)

CLT-PHX 333 AA1678 7:30AM-10:24AM
PHX-CLT 333 AA1696 9:36AM-3:25PM

Til 2/13
ORD-PHX 788 AA88 11:05AM-1:45PM
PHX-ORD 788 AA88 3:07PM-7:33PM

(P.S. I saw a 788 option until 3/31 as well on a different flight number & similar times, no details. Spring Training??)

Year round from 3/31
LHR-PHX 772 AA195 9:30AM-12:30PM
PHX-LHR 772 AA194 3:00PM-9:23AM (+1)


2/14-3/9
ORD-PHX 788 AA2238 11:20-14:00
PHX-ORD 788 AA2410 15:12-19:33

3/10-4/1
ORD-PHX 788 AA2238 11:22-12:59
PHX-ORD 788 AA2410 14:12-19:34

4/1-5/2
ORD-PHX 788 AA605 07:10-08:56
PHX-ORD 788 AA974 10:20-15:45


Hm, didn't know about the 3rd one. Thx for the correction.