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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:10 pm

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QF7 about to land on a diversion from DFW because of weather.


PHX livecam, hopefully someone got a better pic.
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Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:54 am

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QF7 about to land on a diversion from DFW because of weather.


So I'm outside working in the yard. And I hear an airplane sound that is... Unusual.
I look up and there is no mistaking what it is and that there was a diversion.
I'm in Gilbert and it flew almost right overhead on its way out. It sure made its presence known.
Very, very cool.
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Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:11 pm

4holer wrote:
TUSPHX wrote:
QF7 about to land on a diversion from DFW because of weather.


So I'm outside working in the yard. And I hear an airplane sound that is... Unusual.
I look up and there is no mistaking what it is and that there was a diversion.
I'm in Gilbert and it flew almost right overhead on its way out. It sure made its presence known.
Very, very cool.



Quite the sight flying over our residence in Gilbert..Hey Qantas can come to PHX anytime they want.. :spin:
 
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Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:36 am

What was the journey for QF7 at PHX? Did it pull into a gate, or just stop somewhere to wait out the storm and top up with some petrol?
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Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:27 pm

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What was the journey for QF7 at PHX? Did it pull into a gate, or just stop somewhere to wait out the storm and top up with some petrol?


Based on the ground-time I saw on Flight Aware, it was only here for a little over an hour, so yeah...it was basically just a gas-and-go which, along with the flying-diversion-time to get here in the first place (it was over west Texas when it turned to come here), seems to have been enough time for the storms to clear DFW.
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Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:28 pm

Don’t US regulations require international pax to clear C&I at the first landing - whether diversion or not? I didn’t know a gas and go was even allowed. If that’s all that happened (no connections) then I wonder why QF7 backtracked 750 miles from Texas to PHX. Why not just go to larger airports nearby - IAH??
 
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Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:41 pm

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What was the journey for QF7 at PHX? Did it pull into a gate, or just stop somewhere to wait out the storm and top up with some petrol?


Parked out on the west side by the old executive terminal. There are no gates for the A380 (or towbars for that matter).

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Don’t US regulations require international pax to clear C&I at the first landing - whether diversion or not? I didn’t know a gas and go was even allowed.


Of course it's allowed. How else would smaller airports like ABE, ABI, or TUL handle the multiple international diversions they often get during IROPS?
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Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:51 pm

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[...] I wonder why QF7 backtracked 750 miles from Texas to PHX. Why not just go to larger airports nearby - IAH??


Weather moves west to east. If you went to IAH, you'd fly through it twice, and potentially have it impact the departure from IAH by the time the pit stop was complete.

Not sure there's another airport between Phoenix and Dallas that can handle the A380.
 
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Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:03 am

chrisair wrote:
Adipocere wrote:
[...] I wonder why QF7 backtracked 750 miles from Texas to PHX. Why not just go to larger airports nearby - IAH??


Weather moves west to east. If you went to IAH, you'd fly through it twice, and potentially have it impact the departure from IAH by the time the pit stop was complete.

Not sure there's another airport between Phoenix and Dallas that can handle the A380.


El Paso and ABQ should have long enough runways, and would have the similar issue around parking as it seems PHX did. Anyways, pretty cool to see the pictures.
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Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:02 am

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El Paso and ABQ should have long enough runways, and would have the similar issue around parking as it seems PHX did. Anyways, pretty cool to see the pictures.

I highly doubt either of those airports are qualified to handle an A380 diversion. A diversion of an aircraft that size requires more than simply having the runway length, it requires a study of the taxiways, procedures, and available equipment (support equipment, ARFF, etc.). PHX only completed that work to become an A380 diversion airport around 2012 after a fairly extensive study. Most airports that don't receive Group VI aircraft don't have published procedures to handle such an aircraft.
 
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Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:57 am

Adipocere wrote:
Don’t US regulations require international pax to clear C&I at the first landing - whether diversion or not? I didn’t know a gas and go was even allowed. If that’s all that happened (no connections) then I wonder why QF7 backtracked 750 miles from Texas to PHX. Why not just go to larger airports nearby - IAH??

If you check flightaware and look at that flight you can see the wall of bad weather that made PHX a good diversion airport. IAH might have worked but they could have hands full with diversions as well.
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:04 pm

OK here's a question...per FLIFO in Sabre, AA194 to LHR scheduled at 1510 as of this writing has a ETD of 1700 due to MX. It's at B25. Now, as per usual, BA289 is running late with ETA of 1833, so if the 1700 ETD for AA holds, all is well, but...if it's delayed longer and still at B25 when BA arrives...what gate can BA use? I seem to recall one of you guys saying that B23 or B24 are also widebody capable...but a 772 and 744 at adjacent gates? Possible? (if I have the other gate numbers correct)
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Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:53 am

Looks like AA 194 departed at 17:22. No conflict
 
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Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:19 pm

cathay747 wrote:
OK here's a question...per FLIFO in Sabre, AA194 to LHR scheduled at 1510 as of this writing has a ETD of 1700 due to MX. It's at B25. Now, as per usual, BA289 is running late with ETA of 1833, so if the 1700 ETD for AA holds, all is well, but...if it's delayed longer and still at B25 when BA arrives...what gate can BA use? I seem to recall one of you guys saying that B23 or B24 are also widebody capable...but a 772 and 744 at adjacent gates? Possible? (if I have the other gate numbers correct)


B23 and B25 can gate two ADG-V with no adjacency restrictions if I’m not mistaken.
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:21 pm

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Looks like AA 194 departed at 17:22. No conflict


Yes, blocked-out of the gate at 1709, off the field at 1722. BA289 didn't arrive until 1812. But I was speaking hypothetically about the gate issue.
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:22 pm

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cathay747 wrote:
OK here's a question...per FLIFO in Sabre, AA194 to LHR scheduled at 1510 as of this writing has a ETD of 1700 due to MX. It's at B25. Now, as per usual, BA289 is running late with ETA of 1833, so if the 1700 ETD for AA holds, all is well, but...if it's delayed longer and still at B25 when BA arrives...what gate can BA use? I seem to recall one of you guys saying that B23 or B24 are also widebody capable...but a 772 and 744 at adjacent gates? Possible? (if I have the other gate numbers correct)


B23 and B25 can gate two ADG-V with no adjacency restrictions if I’m not mistaken.


OK thanks, that's what I was wondering.
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Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:02 pm

Hi everyone,

Somebody started a new thread "AA Phoenix to Tokyo?" where I just learned something new...and this is what I posted as a reply. Thought I'd get your take, whomever would like to chime in, on what I'm speculating...

I guess I missed the memo on AA applying for LAS-HND. I'm very surprised to learn this. Even though it would feed into a JL hub, it still strikes me as an odd route for AA to apply for.

That being said...my take on this is that if AA gets that route, it'll really put the kabash on any hopes of them ever starting a PHX-TYO route. Given the number of flights AA has been PHX & LAS, you could easily make a connection which would be in addition of course to connection possibilities over LAX...with customs/immigration at LAS being a LOT easier/less busy than at LAX. Tourist traffic for Grand Canyon could use LAS so that's another strike against PHX. Sad to say, we'd love to have an Asian nonstop here at PHX, but I don't see it happening if AA gets that LAS-HND.
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:59 pm

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Hi everyone,

Somebody started a new thread "AA Phoenix to Tokyo?" where I just learned something new...and this is what I posted as a reply. Thought I'd get your take, whomever would like to chime in, on what I'm speculating...

I guess I missed the memo on AA applying for LAS-HND. I'm very surprised to learn this. Even though it would feed into a JL hub, it still strikes me as an odd route for AA to apply for.

That being said...my take on this is that if AA gets that route, it'll really put the kabash on any hopes of them ever starting a PHX-TYO route. Given the number of flights AA has been PHX & LAS, you could easily make a connection which would be in addition of course to connection possibilities over LAX...with customs/immigration at LAS being a LOT easier/less busy than at LAX. Tourist traffic for Grand Canyon could use LAS so that's another strike against PHX. Sad to say, we'd love to have an Asian nonstop here at PHX, but I don't see it happening if AA gets that LAS-HND.


I think at this point NRT-PHX is not on AA's agenda, I would hope JL would consider. With NH & JL getting at least 6 slots for N.A. Hopefully we know soon
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Sun Apr 21, 2019 1:00 pm

Any update on MSN & GRR, neither is loaded for December, did these routes not do well this past winter?
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 21, 2019 1:33 pm

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cathay747 wrote:
Hi everyone,

Somebody started a new thread "AA Phoenix to Tokyo?" where I just learned something new...and this is what I posted as a reply. Thought I'd get your take, whomever would like to chime in, on what I'm speculating...

I guess I missed the memo on AA applying for LAS-HND. I'm very surprised to learn this. Even though it would feed into a JL hub, it still strikes me as an odd route for AA to apply for.

That being said...my take on this is that if AA gets that route, it'll really put the kabash on any hopes of them ever starting a PHX-TYO route. Given the number of flights AA has been PHX & LAS, you could easily make a connection which would be in addition of course to connection possibilities over LAX...with customs/immigration at LAS being a LOT easier/less busy than at LAX. Tourist traffic for Grand Canyon could use LAS so that's another strike against PHX. Sad to say, we'd love to have an Asian nonstop here at PHX, but I don't see it happening if AA gets that LAS-HND.


I think at this point NRT-PHX is not on AA's agenda, I would hope JL would consider. With NH & JL getting at least 6 slots for N.A. Hopefully we know soon


Except that with the JL/AA JV, I don't think it would make sense for JL to start PHX given that they'd be sharing the LAS-HND route if AA gets it...for the same reasons I outlined above.
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:54 am

By random chance, happened to be in my car when I saw the BA Landor 744 (G-BNLY) landing in PHX this past Friday. Took some crappy phone pics through my windshield.

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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:07 pm

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By random chance, happened to be in my car when I saw the BA Landor 744 (G-BNLY) landing in PHX this past Friday. Took some crappy phone pics through my windshield.

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I was at T4 when it landed. Great looking paint scheme, probably my favorite of the BA retro jets.
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:27 pm

I saw BA289 turning from downwind to base to final yesterday evening (Tues 4/23)...looked like the Negus ship?
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:39 pm

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Any update on MSN & GRR, neither is loaded for December, did these routes not do well this past winter?


The December schedule isn't loaded yet, I wouldn't read much into it. MSN did pretty well, GRR needs to be an E175 to really succeed as the 319 is just too much plane for the route most days.
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:35 pm

For anybody who hasn't heard/read this from the source or other means...

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... es-in-s20/

American files preliminary new A321neo routes in S20
By Jim Liu
Posted 22 April 2019 07:00

American Airlines during the weekend of 21APR19’s schedule update filed additional Airbus A321neo routes, tentatively scheduled from 29MAR20.

Phoenix – Cancun 29MAR20 – 06APR20 1 daily
Phoenix – Honolulu eff 29MAR20 2 weekly (9 weekly from 07APR20, 14 weekly from 07MAY20)
Phoenix – Kahului eff 29MAR20 11 weekly (8 weekly from 06APR20)
Phoenix – Kona eff 29MAR20 8 weekly (4 weekly 05APR20 – 10MAY20, 7 weekly from 11MAY20)
Phoenix – Lihue eff 29MAR20 8 weekly (4-5 weekly 09APR20 – 10MAY19)

Current schedule listing in the OAG is displayed until 21MAY20. Additional changes expected in the last few weeks.

We all knew about the Hawaiian routes already, but the CUN flight is an interesting add, although I guess not surprising since that's been on a 752 same as Hawaii. Bye-bye AA/LUS 752's!!! <sad>
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:52 am

cathay747 wrote:
For anybody who hasn't heard/read this from the source or other means...

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... es-in-s20/

American files preliminary new A321neo routes in S20
By Jim Liu
Posted 22 April 2019 07:00

American Airlines during the weekend of 21APR19’s schedule update filed additional Airbus A321neo routes, tentatively scheduled from 29MAR20.

Phoenix – Cancun 29MAR20 – 06APR20 1 daily
Phoenix – Honolulu eff 29MAR20 2 weekly (9 weekly from 07APR20, 14 weekly from 07MAY20)
Phoenix – Kahului eff 29MAR20 11 weekly (8 weekly from 06APR20)
Phoenix – Kona eff 29MAR20 8 weekly (4 weekly 05APR20 – 10MAY20, 7 weekly from 11MAY20)
Phoenix – Lihue eff 29MAR20 8 weekly (4-5 weekly 09APR20 – 10MAY19)

Current schedule listing in the OAG is displayed until 21MAY20. Additional changes expected in the last few weeks.

We all knew about the Hawaiian routes already, but the CUN flight is an interesting add, although I guess not surprising since that's been on a 752 same as Hawaii. Bye-bye AA/LUS 752's!!! <sad>


Flew this route about four years ago, and it was 752 to CUN and supposed to be on the return. But after a three hour delay, the flight was switched to an A321. On approach those of us who had PHX as a terminus, to remain seated--flight was full and they said that only 75 people were stopping in PHX.

It would make sense if the 752 is going, going, gone from the fleet--why not a A321 while PHX is a hub, and an A319/A220 when it de-hubs.
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:15 pm

hz747300 wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
For anybody who hasn't heard/read this from the source or other means...

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... es-in-s20/

American files preliminary new A321neo routes in S20
By Jim Liu
Posted 22 April 2019 07:00

American Airlines during the weekend of 21APR19’s schedule update filed additional Airbus A321neo routes, tentatively scheduled from 29MAR20.

Phoenix – Cancun 29MAR20 – 06APR20 1 daily
Phoenix – Honolulu eff 29MAR20 2 weekly (9 weekly from 07APR20, 14 weekly from 07MAY20)
Phoenix – Kahului eff 29MAR20 11 weekly (8 weekly from 06APR20)
Phoenix – Kona eff 29MAR20 8 weekly (4 weekly 05APR20 – 10MAY20, 7 weekly from 11MAY20)
Phoenix – Lihue eff 29MAR20 8 weekly (4-5 weekly 09APR20 – 10MAY19)

Current schedule listing in the OAG is displayed until 21MAY20. Additional changes expected in the last few weeks.

We all knew about the Hawaiian routes already, but the CUN flight is an interesting add, although I guess not surprising since that's been on a 752 same as Hawaii. Bye-bye AA/LUS 752's!!! <sad>


Flew this route about four years ago, and it was 752 to CUN and supposed to be on the return. But after a three hour delay, the flight was switched to an A321. On approach those of us who had PHX as a terminus, to remain seated--flight was full and they said that only 75 people were stopping in PHX.

It would make sense if the 752 is going, going, gone from the fleet--why not a A321 while PHX is a hub, and an A319/A220 when it de-hubs.


I always thought that the 752 on this route was an opportunistic way to increase aircraft utilization. Same as the 752s that fly PHX-CLT/DCA/LAX/SAN. There is a lot of downtime between Hawaii flights and another turn makes sense.

Also, I'm not convinced about a PHX dehub in the near future. PHX appears to be in the middle of estimated profitability of the AA hubs, the Arizona economy is expanding and the population here is growing. Also, the Airport has a pretty ambitious master plan that seems to account for airline expansion (something they've had to have gotten input from their stakeholders on).
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:46 pm

hz747300 wrote:
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Phoenix – Honolulu eff 29MAR20 2 weekly (9 weekly from 07APR20, 14 weekly from 07MAY20)
Phoenix – Kahului eff 29MAR20 11 weekly (8 weekly from 06APR20)
Phoenix – Kona eff 29MAR20 8 weekly (4 weekly 05APR20 – 10MAY20, 7 weekly from 11MAY20)
Phoenix – Lihue eff 29MAR20 8 weekly (4-5 weekly 09APR20 – 10MAY19)


...while PHX is a hub, and an A319/A220 when it de-hubs.


What on earth are you talking about? When it de-hubs??? How do we go from my posting of the official 321neo deployment schedule for PHX/Hawaii + CUN to regurgitating the beaten-to-death talk about de-hubbing PHX??? PHX is NOT going to be de-hubbed for many reasons which have already been CLEARLY outlined in this and several other threads. WHY does this keep coming up???
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Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:09 pm

It was nice to have the 787 on my PHX-ORD-PHX flights earlier this week. Seemed like the captain was even surprised to see a PHX turn on his schedule. "I've been doing a lot of Asia recently. It's nice to have a good turn and sleep in my own bed." or something like that.

cathay747 wrote:
PHX is NOT going to be de-hubbed for many reasons which have already been CLEARLY outlined in this and several other threads. WHY does this keep coming up???


Same reason as PHX-NRT keeps coming up...
 
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Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:19 pm

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It was nice to have the 787 on my PHX-ORD-PHX flights earlier this week. Seemed like the captain was even surprised to see a PHX turn on his schedule. "I've been doing a lot of Asia recently. It's nice to have a good turn and sleep in my own bed." or something like that.

cathay747 wrote:
PHX is NOT going to be de-hubbed for many reasons which have already been CLEARLY outlined in this and several other threads. WHY does this keep coming up???


Same reason as PHX-NRT keeps coming up...


Kind of disturbing a pilot was surprised about the 787 PHX-ORD turn, considering its been going on for months now.

PHX-NRT is the next logical route from NRT on an O&D basis, if AA does win the LAS slot case, PHX would be the largest airport without any TYO service. When is another question
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:11 am

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It was nice to have the 787 on my PHX-ORD-PHX flights earlier this week. Seemed like the captain was even surprised to see a PHX turn on his schedule. "I've been doing a lot of Asia recently. It's nice to have a good turn and sleep in my own bed." or something like that.

cathay747 wrote:
PHX is NOT going to be de-hubbed for many reasons which have already been CLEARLY outlined in this and several other threads. WHY does this keep coming up???


Same reason as PHX-NRT keeps coming up...


As far as PHX-NRT it keeps coming up because every year or so the City of Phoenix aviation department and the chamber of commerce end up going to the media lamenting that there is no nonstop PHX-Asia service and talking about how much they are working to get nonstop service to Asia.

I know that the city was trying hard to get JAL to start service but as of yet the efforts have been for naught.
 
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Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:00 am

hz747300 wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
For anybody who hasn't heard/read this from the source or other means...

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... es-in-s20/

American files preliminary new A321neo routes in S20
By Jim Liu
Posted 22 April 2019 07:00

American Airlines during the weekend of 21APR19’s schedule update filed additional Airbus A321neo routes, tentatively scheduled from 29MAR20.

Phoenix – Cancun 29MAR20 – 06APR20 1 daily
Phoenix – Honolulu eff 29MAR20 2 weekly (9 weekly from 07APR20, 14 weekly from 07MAY20)
Phoenix – Kahului eff 29MAR20 11 weekly (8 weekly from 06APR20)
Phoenix – Kona eff 29MAR20 8 weekly (4 weekly 05APR20 – 10MAY20, 7 weekly from 11MAY20)
Phoenix – Lihue eff 29MAR20 8 weekly (4-5 weekly 09APR20 – 10MAY19)

Current schedule listing in the OAG is displayed until 21MAY20. Additional changes expected in the last few weeks.

We all knew about the Hawaiian routes already, but the CUN flight is an interesting add, although I guess not surprising since that's been on a 752 same as Hawaii. Bye-bye AA/LUS 752's!!! <sad>


Flew this route about four years ago, and it was 752 to CUN and supposed to be on the return. But after a three hour delay, the flight was switched to an A321. On approach those of us who had PHX as a terminus, to remain seated--flight was full and they said that only 75 people were stopping in PHX.

It would make sense if the 752 is going, going, gone from the fleet--why not a A321 while PHX is a hub, and an A319/A220 when it de-hubs.


What?
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:25 am

Did anyone catch why Frontier diverted to Mesa Gateway this afternoon? It seemed very strange that they went to Gateway rather than just going to Sky Harbor which is where the usual Vegas diversions go.

They left after a 5-hour delay on the ground at Gateway (yikes)
 
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Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:53 pm

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Did anyone catch why Frontier diverted to Mesa Gateway this afternoon? It seemed very strange that they went to Gateway rather than just going to Sky Harbor which is where the usual Vegas diversions go.

They left after a 5-hour delay on the ground at Gateway (yikes)


PHX was having issues with crosswinds and arrival rates. AA diverted 5 or 6 flights between 2 and 4.
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Wed May 01, 2019 1:17 am

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It was nice to have the 787 on my PHX-ORD-PHX flights earlier this week. Seemed like the captain was even surprised to see a PHX turn on his schedule. "I've been doing a lot of Asia recently. It's nice to have a good turn and sleep in my own bed." or something like that.

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PHX is NOT going to be de-hubbed for many reasons which have already been CLEARLY outlined in this and several other threads. WHY does this keep coming up???


Same reason as PHX-NRT keeps coming up...


As far as PHX-NRT it keeps coming up because every year or so the City of Phoenix aviation department and the chamber of commerce end up going to the media lamenting that there is no nonstop PHX-Asia service and talking about how much they are working to get nonstop service to Asia.

I know that the city was trying hard to get JAL to start service but as of yet the efforts have been for naught.


Organizations like the Greater Phoenix Economic Council are aware that Phoenix needs a non-stop link to Asia to achieve it's potential as a economic leader in the southwest. Until that happens call-centers like USAA will be the future of the valley.
 
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Wed May 01, 2019 11:46 pm

Nice sub today. American operated a 77W in place of a 757 this morning for flight #812 from DFW at B25..returned to DFW as #9240 at 1051 hrs MST.
 
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Thu May 02, 2019 2:12 pm

An Antonov 124 is parked west of T2 at Sky Harbor. An impressive sight! It flew in from ANC around 4:45 this morning
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Fri May 03, 2019 1:37 pm

910A wrote:
Nice sub today. American operated a 77W in place of a 757 this morning for flight #812 from DFW at B25..returned to DFW as #9240 at 1051 hrs MST.


Especially nice for any avgeek's onboard! Wow. But what catches my eye is the return flight #...9240? I thought AA only used the 9000-range of numbers for non-rev. ferry flights...wonder why it didn't use the flight # of the regularly scheduled flight as it would appear was the case with the inbound?

And did anybody catch that AA194 to LHR went tech the other day (I forget now which day, but was this past week)? AA195 came in fine from LHR, but then 194 back to LHR was cxld due to MX and as a result, 195 the next day from LHR was also cxld., and the "sick ship" operated 194 that day, so it was here for over 24hrs. I'd been wondering what would happen if AA had had a tech problem with that bird here. Must have been one hell of an issue. I'd presumed AA must have stocked some spares for the 77E here, such as LRU's, maybe a tire or two, but I would guess anything more major they'd have to fly in from TUL or DFW?
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri May 03, 2019 1:38 pm

BMIMSNPHX wrote:
An Antonov 124 is parked west of T2 at Sky Harbor. An impressive sight! It flew in from ANC around 4:45 this morning


Glad I wasn't driving by on I-10 when that beast came in...I probably would have caused/been in an accident trying to watch it!!
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Sat May 04, 2019 2:25 am

cathay747 wrote:
910A wrote:
Nice sub today. American operated a 77W in place of a 757 this morning for flight #812 from DFW at B25..returned to DFW as #9240 at 1051 hrs MST.


Especially nice for any avgeek's onboard! Wow. But what catches my eye is the return flight #...9240? I thought AA only used the 9000-range of numbers for non-rev. ferry flights...wonder why it didn't use the flight # of the regularly scheduled flight as it would appear was the case with the inbound?

And did anybody catch that AA194 to LHR went tech the other day (I forget now which day, but was this past week)? AA195 came in fine from LHR, but then 194 back to LHR was cxld due to MX and as a result, 195 the next day from LHR was also cxld., and the "sick ship" operated 194 that day, so it was here for over 24hrs. I'd been wondering what would happen if AA had had a tech problem with that bird here. Must have been one hell of an issue. I'd presumed AA must have stocked some spares for the 77E here, such as LRU's, maybe a tire or two, but I would guess anything more major they'd have to fly in from TUL or DFW?


9000 series are also used for revenue extra sections. I'm not sure if 9240 was revenue or not.

The MX issue was not terrible (an MEL was applied), but by the time it was all sorted the crew timed out. Operationally it was decided it would be better to cancel the inbound the next day and just operate the outbound with the plane already there.
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Sat May 04, 2019 1:29 pm

Maverick623 wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
910A wrote:
Nice sub today. American operated a 77W in place of a 757 this morning for flight #812 from DFW at B25..returned to DFW as #9240 at 1051 hrs MST.


Especially nice for any avgeek's onboard! Wow. But what catches my eye is the return flight #...9240? I thought AA only used the 9000-range of numbers for non-rev. ferry flights...wonder why it didn't use the flight # of the regularly scheduled flight as it would appear was the case with the inbound?

And did anybody catch that AA194 to LHR went tech the other day (I forget now which day, but was this past week)? AA195 came in fine from LHR, but then 194 back to LHR was cxld due to MX and as a result, 195 the next day from LHR was also cxld., and the "sick ship" operated 194 that day, so it was here for over 24hrs. I'd been wondering what would happen if AA had had a tech problem with that bird here. Must have been one hell of an issue. I'd presumed AA must have stocked some spares for the 77E here, such as LRU's, maybe a tire or two, but I would guess anything more major they'd have to fly in from TUL or DFW?


9000 series are also used for revenue extra sections. I'm not sure if 9240 was revenue or not.

The MX issue was not terrible (an MEL was applied), but by the time it was all sorted the crew timed out. Operationally it was decided it would be better to cancel the inbound the next day and just operate the outbound with the plane already there.


Thanks. I wondered after I made the above post about it possibly being an extra section. And that makes total sense about the MX & crew issue. At least AA have the later BA flight both ways to help out with reaccom's.
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed May 08, 2019 5:05 pm

Found this in the "American Airlines Network 2019" thread...mind it does say "estimated" but still nice to see that we're more profitable than MIA by a healthy margin! Hope this finally puts the last nail in the coffin of the talk about PHX being de-hubbed!

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interesting chart in this article.
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... ry-anymore
estimated profitability in each hubs.
CLT 14.3%
DCA 13.6%
DFW 12.7%
ORD 11.4%
PHL 11.4%
PHX 9.6%
MIA 6.7%
JFK 3.1%
LGA -0.8%
LAX -0.9%
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Thu May 09, 2019 9:20 pm

AA adding PHX-CUU/RAP. Very off the radar adds. These wouldn't have been on my top 10 AA targets from PHX. RAP should do well in the winter months, as PHX-Upper Midwest is usually solid. Unsure what to think of CUU. Definitely more cultural ties to Northern Mexico, not sure if that really justifies the air service though. Will be interesting to see how it goes.
 
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Thu May 09, 2019 9:30 pm

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AA adding PHX-CUU/RAP. Very off the radar adds. These wouldn't have been on my top 10 AA targets from PHX. RAP should do well in the winter months, as PHX-Upper Midwest is usually solid. Unsure what to think of CUU. Definitely more cultural ties to Northern Mexico, not sure if that really justifies the air service though. Will be interesting to see how it goes.

Must be a market of some kind for RAP. G4 has been operating to RAP from IWA year around for a number of years..Flying a CRJ-200 isn't my cup of tea for a two hour flight.
 
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Sun May 12, 2019 1:13 am

Osubuckeyes wrote:
AA adding PHX-CUU/RAP. Very off the radar adds. These wouldn't have been on my top 10 AA targets from PHX. RAP should do well in the winter months, as PHX-Upper Midwest is usually solid. Unsure what to think of CUU. Definitely more cultural ties to Northern Mexico, not sure if that really justifies the air service though. Will be interesting to see how it goes.


PHX-RAP is a Skywest at-risk add, guaranteed by SCASD funds. That being said, I see no reason why the CR7 couldn't support it.
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Sun May 12, 2019 1:31 am

I’m curious why COS wouldn’t be added by Skywest. Seems that it’s probably the biggest hole within RJ range.
 
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Sun May 12, 2019 2:26 am

Osubuckeyes wrote:
AA adding PHX-CUU/RAP. Very off the radar adds. These wouldn't have been on my top 10 AA targets from PHX. RAP should do well in the winter months, as PHX-Upper Midwest is usually solid. Unsure what to think of CUU. Definitely more cultural ties to Northern Mexico, not sure if that really justifies the air service though. Will be interesting to see how it goes.


I thought a return to MTY would been first, but glad to see a new Mexico destination from PHX.

RAP should do fine, G4 has operated from AZA since they opened up shop! I hope to see FAR, CID & BIS soon, outside of the obvious BNA & MSY.

This would make 20 new routes from AA since the merger

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Mon May 13, 2019 2:26 am

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RAP should do fine, G4 has operated from AZA since they opened up shop! I hope to see FAR, CID & BIS soon, outside of the obvious BNA & MSY.

This would make 20 new routes from AA since the merger


In addition to PHX-FAR/CID/BIS/BNA/MSY, other possible adds by AA out of PHX include PHX-BUF, PHX-CVG, PHX-LIT, PHX-SDF, PHX-TUL, and PHX-ICT.

There are still many WN frequent flyers in Greater Phoenix who prefer to fly WN over AA due to WN having nonstop service out of PHX to destinations such as BUF, MDW, CLE, DAL, FLL, HOU, LIT, SDF, BNA, MSY, TUL, and ICT that aren't served nonstop out of PHX on AA.

There are some adds that could be made by WN out of PHX, including (a) the return of PHX-BOS nonstop service, (b) extension of PHX-CVG nonstop service to daily, year-round nonstop service, and (c) the addition of PHX-CLT, PHX-GRR, PHX-BDL, PHX-HNL, PHX-LGB, PHX-MEM, and PHX-IAD nonstop service. WN does need to add some more nonstop routes out of PHX in order to defend market share against AA in the PHX market.
 
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Mon May 13, 2019 3:26 am

cathay747 wrote:
Found this in the "American Airlines Network 2019" thread...mind it does say "estimated" but still nice to see that we're more profitable than MIA by a healthy margin! Hope this finally puts the last nail in the coffin of the talk about PHX being de-hubbed!

tphuang wrote:

interesting chart in this article.
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... ry-anymore
estimated profitability in each hubs.
CLT 14.3%
DCA 13.6%
DFW 12.7%
ORD 11.4%
PHL 11.4%
PHX 9.6%
MIA 6.7%
JFK 3.1%
LGA -0.8%
LAX -0.9%


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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon May 13, 2019 10:48 pm

jplatts wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
RAP should do fine, G4 has operated from AZA since they opened up shop! I hope to see FAR, CID & BIS soon, outside of the obvious BNA & MSY.

This would make 20 new routes from AA since the merger


In addition to PHX-FAR/CID/BIS/BNA/MSY, other possible adds by AA out of PHX include PHX-BUF, PHX-CVG, PHX-LIT, PHX-SDF, PHX-TUL, and PHX-ICT.

There are still many WN frequent flyers in Greater Phoenix who prefer to fly WN over AA due to WN having nonstop service out of PHX to destinations such as BUF, MDW, CLE, DAL, FLL, HOU, LIT, SDF, BNA, MSY, TUL, and ICT that aren't served nonstop out of PHX on AA.

There are some adds that could be made by WN out of PHX, including (a) the return of PHX-BOS nonstop service, (b) extension of PHX-CVG nonstop service to daily, year-round nonstop service, and (c) the addition of PHX-CLT, PHX-GRR, PHX-BDL, PHX-HNL, PHX-LGB, PHX-MEM, and PHX-IAD nonstop service. WN does need to add some more nonstop routes out of PHX in order to defend market share against AA in the PHX market.


CVG is the one that kills me. AA and DL pulls it around the same time and even WN does not have a non-stop. I have been trying to book a flight for June and the prices have not dropped below $650 for red-eyes and are around $800 for daylight hours on non-WN carriers. I thought for sure DL would try and keep it year-round.

BNA not being an add years ago for AA is a real head-scratcher.
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