INFINITI329 wrote:

About time.. this was one of the holes in their route map out of PHX...I think this will be more popular than F9's current schedule. I definitely expect 2-3 daily on CR7/CR9s on this route if the flights go daily. Someone had posted earlier that there is no slack in PHX CRJs so it would interesting how AA would swing this.

Right now the CR7/CR9 schedule in PHX has just about zero slack which is why additional flights are added as old Regional flights are shifted to the 319 (think SBA,FAT,BUR,ONT). Every day MX delays or MX routing push about 3-4 flights back a whole bank. The CR7 lines are the most painful right now as there are entire lines that run at minimum turn time in every city and some of the CR7 lines have ten legs per day which is really uncommon in the West where stage lengths are longer. Mesa isn't in a shape to take on more CR9s and scope is maxed out for Skywest to take on more CR7s (there are at least twelve sitting in TUS). The best way to get more CR7s into PHX right now would be more MQ E175s or OH CR7s in ORD freeing up OO to move some to the PHX/LAX system.

Hello all. Former PHX resident back in my hometown of SAN. I was wondering about the likelihood of Southwest launching nonstops to Hawaii from Sky Harbor once the Max issue has been completely resolved? I know this was speculated on here a year or so ago, but I think it would be a great option for WN travelers connecting from the Midwest.

SAN is great, thrilled we will have nonstop to HI but T1 is very old and cramped during peak hours and not a very pleasant connecting point for everyone PHX would be a perfect connection point and destination (in my opinion, not basing off of stats) for Southwest. Again, this is all contingent on the MAX issue being resolved of course. Thoughts? Thank you for your insight and the discussion.

LeftcoastB6 wrote:

Hello all. Former PHX resident back in my hometown of SAN. I was wondering about the likelihood of Southwest launching nonstops to Hawaii from Sky Harbor once the Max issue has been completely resolved? I know this was speculated on here a year or so ago, but I think it would be a great option for WN travelers connecting from the Midwest.

SAN is great, thrilled we will have nonstop to HI but T1 is very old and cramped during peak hours and not a very pleasant connecting point for everyone PHX would be a perfect connection point and destination (in my opinion, not basing off of stats) for Southwest. Again, this is all contingent on the MAX issue being resolved of course. Thoughts? Thank you for your insight and the discussion.

There were issues with MAX performance from PHX in the summer which is why AA chose to go with the NEOs instead as I recall. The MAX7 could make it but that is another 3-4 years away before WN has enough of them to reach critical mass and I think they would rather use them at BUR & SNA before PHX. WN is mostly focused on California-Hawaii for now.

I think some day we will get WN service with the MAX7. We already have 1 stop no plane change from PHX.

cathay747 wrote:

"...Then saw all the terrazzo flooring at bag-claim too on return, but there also saw many areas of the old carpeting, so I knew I hadn't gone insane. I had no idea they were replacing the carpeting with terrazzo flooring. Good idea IMHO...looks nicer (very nice in fact) and I'm sure it's gotta be a helluva lot easier in terms of upkeep!"

Another benefit (speaking from experience) is that it is a hell of a lot easier to roll your 4-wheel roller bag of the terrazzo that the carpet due to much less rolling resistance of the tile. It sound like a little thing, but for frequent T-4 fliers, it definitely makes the airport easier to deal with.
I can't wait till they get it all finished.

Tucson got an absolute treat today! I was working in the tower at the AFB and on our radar I see the typical AAL flight from DFW coming into the airspace and I did a literal double take when I saw the a/c id register "MD83"!!! Operated AAL1441 and not even 5 minutes later, a second MD83 was inbound operating AAL1097!!! I guess AAL1441 was operating a couple hours delayed so I asked around once they were both down, and apparently both MD83s were parked side by side at the terminal! I'm hoping an avgeek was flying out of TUS today that managed to snap a pick, that's something we'll probably never again see in Tucson.

Ebmek wrote:

Tucson got an absolute treat today! I was working in the tower at the AFB and on our radar I see the typical AAL flight from DFW coming into the airspace and I did a literal double take when I saw the a/c id register "MD83"!!! Operated AAL1441 and not even 5 minutes later, a second MD83 was inbound operating AAL1097!!! I guess AAL1441 was operating a couple hours delayed so I asked around once they were both down, and apparently both MD83s were parked side by side at the terminal! I'm hoping an avgeek was flying out of TUS today that managed to snap a pick, that's something we'll probably never again see in Tucson.

Thought you were going to say the rain we got in Tucson today was an absolute treat.

chrisair wrote:

Ebmek wrote:

Tucson got an absolute treat today! I was working in the tower at the AFB and on our radar I see the typical AAL flight from DFW coming into the airspace and I did a literal double take when I saw the a/c id register "MD83"!!! Operated AAL1441 and not even 5 minutes later, a second MD83 was inbound operating AAL1097!!! I guess AAL1441 was operating a couple hours delayed so I asked around once they were both down, and apparently both MD83s were parked side by side at the terminal! I'm hoping an avgeek was flying out of TUS today that managed to snap a pick, that's something we'll probably never again see in Tucson.

Thought you were going to say the rain we got in Tucson today was an absolute treat.

That it was! Combined with these two arrivals however, you could say I was mildly ecstatic at work. However I did notice a poor UA CR7 from Houston having to go around once and then hold for about half an hour before coming in due to the storms. Those lightning strikes were mad close to us in the tower.

Already announced in the Lufthansa thread, EW will start 5 weekly from April 29, VIA 332 FRA-PHX

https://newsroom.lufthansagroup.com/Eng ... 6f45321874

BA744PHX wrote:

Already announced in the Lufthansa thread, EW will start 5 weekly from April 29, VIA 332 FRA-PHX

https://newsroom.lufthansagroup.com/Eng ... 6f45321874

I wonder what impact this will have one DE, EW will only provide E & PE, DE at least offers business. Do you think there is room for both?

Is this an experiment for LH to test the waters and then in the near future take over this route? Because otherwise, I don't see this making much sense having EW operate it.

kimimm19 wrote:

Is this an experiment for LH to test the waters and then in the near future take over this route? Because otherwise, I don't see this making much sense having EW operate it.

Eurowings is more leisure oriented. People will probably go to ANC for tourism as well...

BA744PHX wrote:

BA744PHX wrote:

Already announced in the Lufthansa thread, EW will start 5 weekly from April 29, VIA 332 FRA-PHX

https://newsroom.lufthansagroup.com/Eng ... 6f45321874

I wonder what impact this will have one DE, EW will only provide E & PE, DE at least offers business. Do you think there is room for both?

DE has jumped ship at both SAN and AUS when the LH group started up service. I'd expect the same thing to happen at PHX and ANC. Especially with EW offering 5x weekly service to PHX.

kimimm19 wrote:

Is this an experiment for LH to test the waters and then in the near future take over this route? Because otherwise, I don't see this making much sense having EW operate it.

I wouldn't bet against it if the yields supported an upgrade. The route supposedly does very well for BA/AA, so I wouldn't think it a stretch to see mainline LH here in the future.

NolaMD88fan wrote:

BA744PHX wrote:

BA744PHX wrote:

Already announced in the Lufthansa thread, EW will start 5 weekly from April 29, VIA 332 FRA-PHX

https://newsroom.lufthansagroup.com/Eng ... 6f45321874

I wonder what impact this will have one DE, EW will only provide E & PE, DE at least offers business. Do you think there is room for both?

DE has jumped ship at both SAN and AUS when the LH group started up service. I'd expect the same thing to happen at PHX and ANC. Especially with EW offering 5x weekly service to PHX.

I actually expect DE to try and fight this one out for the first year. If they don't gain traction, then they will likely bail after the first year. DE expanded the service season for 2020 and I would think they wouldn't want to walk away from that.

The schedule could be interesting with the 767, A332 & 772 on the ground all simultaneously when combined with the existing schedule from AA, Y4 & WS (assuming AC will be in T3 at this point). Thankfully they aren't flying on Saturday but there could be some real issues with gate space if anything runs late/early.

alasizon wrote:

NolaMD88fan wrote:

BA744PHX wrote:

I wonder what impact this will have one DE, EW will only provide E & PE, DE at least offers business. Do you think there is room for both?

DE has jumped ship at both SAN and AUS when the LH group started up service. I'd expect the same thing to happen at PHX and ANC. Especially with EW offering 5x weekly service to PHX.

I actually expect DE to try and fight this one out for the first year. If they don't gain traction, then they will likely bail after the first year. DE expanded the service season for 2020 and I would think they wouldn't want to walk away from that.

The schedule could be interesting with the 767, A332 & 772 on the ground all simultaneously when combined with the existing schedule from AA, Y4 & WS (assuming AC will be in T3 at this point). Thankfully they aren't flying on Saturday but there could be some real issues with gate space if anything runs late/early.

DE was all in on AUS before LH announced. They were expanding service there and dropped the route shortly after the LH announcement. I would be absolutely shocked if DE decided to stick around given their past history. The only airport they serve that has LH group service to FRA is SEA, and that is due to the AS codeshare partnership. In the long run, EW is a step up from DE, so it's good news for PHX.

is the eurowings flight seasonal? or year round. Also EW doesn't offer complementary meals and ife do they?

boeing777200lr wrote:

is the eurowings flight seasonal? or year round. Also EW doesn't offer complementary meals and ife do they?

Seasonal currently April 29th to November 2020..and according to their web site EW does offer complementary meals on long haul.

It's roughly a five month hiatus, I suppose Germans don't want to Snowbird to Cave Creek like the Canadians do. It's a nice add for PHX, but that immigration area could get crowded!

hz747300 wrote:

It's roughly a five month hiatus, I suppose Germans don't want to Snowbird to Cave Creek like the Canadians do. It's a nice add for PHX, but that immigration area could get crowded!

Already does when BA is a little late and pulls it at the same time as Condor; we've had to hold Mexico arrivals due to the backup. The FIS can only process about 500 pax/hour assuming a 40-60 visitor/resident mix.

alasizon wrote:

INFINITI329 wrote:

About time.. this was one of the holes in their route map out of PHX...I think this will be more popular than F9's current schedule. I definitely expect 2-3 daily on CR7/CR9s on this route if the flights go daily. Someone had posted earlier that there is no slack in PHX CRJs so it would interesting how AA would swing this.

Right now the CR7/CR9 schedule in PHX has just about zero slack which is why additional flights are added as old Regional flights are shifted to the 319 (think SBA,FAT,BUR,ONT). Every day MX delays or MX routing push about 3-4 flights back a whole bank. The CR7 lines are the most painful right now as there are entire lines that run at minimum turn time in every city and some of the CR7 lines have ten legs per day which is really uncommon in the West where stage lengths are longer. Mesa isn't in a shape to take on more CR9s and scope is maxed out for Skywest to take on more CR7s (there are at least twelve sitting in TUS). The best way to get more CR7s into PHX right now would be more MQ E175s or OH CR7s in ORD freeing up OO to move some to the PHX/LAX system.

There are rumors in other threads that Skywest are picking up more CR7/CR9s. If some go to the AA side of the house maybe this helps AA expand slightly their PHX Eagle routes

alasizon wrote:

NolaMD88fan wrote:

BA744PHX wrote:

I wonder what impact this will have one DE, EW will only provide E & PE, DE at least offers business. Do you think there is room for both?

DE has jumped ship at both SAN and AUS when the LH group started up service. I'd expect the same thing to happen at PHX and ANC. Especially with EW offering 5x weekly service to PHX.

I actually expect DE to try and fight this one out for the first year. If they don't gain traction, then they will likely bail after the first year. DE expanded the service season for 2020 and I would think they wouldn't want to walk away from that.

The schedule could be interesting with the 767, A332 & 772 on the ground all simultaneously when combined with the existing schedule from AA, Y4 & WS (assuming AC will be in T3 at this point). Thankfully they aren't flying on Saturday but there could be some real issues with gate space if anything runs late/early.

I would agree with you on all points. Especially since DE offers a business class product and EW doesn't/will not. Ironically I just watched in the past few days a new vid by YouTube reviewer Josh Cahill where he took the PHX-FRA flight on DE in business class and I have to say, it's one hella nice product for a leisure carrier. The catch of it is though is that he related that his seat-mate got an offer at check-in to upgrade from Economy to Business for a mere $150. Now I would think it's known in Germany that DE does/offers that, so that's a little bit of a competitive edge I think. Although there was no mention if that upgrade charge is dynamically priced based on what your Economy fare is, it's still attractive as hell!

It will be interesting to see how this pans out. EW is a competitive threat to BA/AA too given how EW can feed right into the LH network at FRA.

AA Widebody Flight Schedules:
another new upgrade to domestic widebody aircraft for Thanksgiving holiday for PHL to PHX and seasonal for DFW, ORD, CLT & HNL to PHX !!! but still no widebody jet from MIA or JFK to PHX.

DAILY - YEARLY-ROUND
LHR-PHX 772 AA195 9:30AM-12:35PM (Arrive at 1:55PM effective 11/27 for London Daylight Saving Time)
PHX-LHR 772 AA194 3:00PM-9:25AM (+1) (Departure at 4:10PM and Arrive at 9:40AM effective 11/27)

11/2/19 till 11/20/19 (Daily — Seasonal)
CLT-PHX 333 AA316 8:00PM-9:28PM (Arrive at 10:32PM effective 11/3 for USA Daylight Saving Time)
PHX-CLT 333 AA498 11:00AM-4:57PM

11/3/19 (Sunday only)
DFW-PHX 788 AA2014 5:00PM-6:33PM

11/4/19 till 11/20/19 (Daily — Seasonal)
DFW-PHX 788 AA1910 7:15AM-8:49AM
PHX-DFW 788 AA1887 9:58AM-1:18PM
DFW-PHX 788 AA2014 3:15PM-4:44PM
PHX-DFW 788 AA1744 5:55PM-9:08PM
DFW-PHX 788 AA339 7:00PM-8:37PM on 11/9 & 11/16 only
PHX-DFW 788 AA1295 9:50PM-12:58AM on 11/9 & 11/16 only

11/3/19 till 11/20/19 (Daily — Seasonal)
ORD-PHX 788 AA876 8:35AM-11:24AM
PHX-ORD 788 AA615 1:10PM-5:32PM

11/21/19 till 12/3/19 (Daily — Seasonal)
ORD-PHX 788 AA447 7:15AM-10:05AM (except 11/29), new flight #AA426 effective 11/23
ORD-PHX 788 AA1352 8:55AM-11:43AM (11/30 only)
PHX-ORD 788 AA603 11:25AM-3:55PM (except 11/29), new flight #AA114 effective 11/30
PHX-ORD 788 AA888 1:09PM-5:31PM (11/30 only)
ORD-PHX 788 AA1706 3:39PM-6:20PM (except 11/28 & 11/29), new flight #AA202 effective 12/1
PHX-ORD 788 AA630 8:10PM-12:32AM (+1) (except 11/28 & 11/29)

11/22/19, 11/26/19 & 11/27/19 (Friday, Tuesday & Wednesday only)
PHL-PHX 332 AA2478 6:05PM-9:27PM
PHX-PHL 332 AA2890 10:50PM-5:06AM (+1)

11/30/19 (Saturday only)
PHL-PHX 332 AA2478 6:07PM-9:29PM
PHX-PHL 332 AA547 10:50PM-5:06AM (+1)

11/26/19 & 11/27/19 (Tuesday & Wednesday only)
DFW-PHX 772 AA1887 7:00AM-8:33AM
PHX-DFW 772 AA1887 9:38AM-12:54PM (different flight #AA3 on 11/27)
DFW-PHX 772 AA2014 3:15PM-4:45PM
PHX-DFW 772 AA235 5:55PM-9:09PM

11/29/19 (Friday only)
CLT-PHX 333 AA1696 6:00PM-8:35PM

11/30/19 (Saturday only)
PHX-CLT 333 AA1664 9:40AM-3:35PM

11/30/19 (Saturday only)
DFW-PHX 772 AA1887 7:13AM-8:48AM
PHX-DFW 772 AA1887 9:49AM-1:08PM
DFW-PHX 788 AA2014 3:15AM4:44PM
PHX-DFW 788 AA631 5:55PM-9:08PM

12/1/19 (Sunday only)
DFW-PHX 788 AA1887 7:05AM-8:38AM
PHX-DFW 788 AA1887 9:38AM-12:53PM
DFW-PHX 789 AA2014 3:25PM-4:54PM
PHX-DFW 789 AA631 6:05PM-9:22PM
DFW-PHX 788 AA2733 11:59PM-1:27AM (+1)

12/2/19 (Monday only)
PHX-DFW 788 AA698 5:00AM-8:11AM

12/18/19 till 4/6/20 (Daily – Seasonal)
PHX-HNL 333 AA692 12:05PM-4:00PM
HNL-PHX 333 AA693 10:40PM-7:41AM (+1)

12/18/19 till 4/7/20 (Daily - Seasonal) Coming soon
CLT-PHX 333
PHX-CLT 333

PHX is getting a Centurion lounge in T4. That was news to me.

PhilMcCrackin wrote:

PHX is getting a Centurion lounge in T4. That was news to me.

Both a Centurion and Escape lounge on N4 above B21. The Escape lounge will also be the Condor lounge (assuming Condor sticks around) while the Centurion lounge will be premium access still. However, AMEX card members will have access to both and can choose based on which one is less crowded.

Skytrain777PHX wrote:

AA Widebody Flight Schedules:
another new upgrade to domestic widebody aircraft for Thanksgiving holiday for PHL to PHX and seasonal for DFW, ORD, CLT & HNL to PHX !!! but still no widebody jet from MIA or JFK to PHX.

JFK simply doesn't have the WB slack at the time the PHX flights would leave; plus there is a gate availability issue in PHX to handle all those WB flights. Plus there is not much to gain from having a WB to JFK in terms of connections. AA does however move PHX-JFK to 6x daily (up 1x from last year) so there is that.

MIA could use a WB on the redeye but that would take away from South America

Interesting quote by Raja regarding Latin America for possible flights, I would hope for beyond Mexico, however it seems thats most likely. I can only think of MTY return, HP flew this back in the early 2000's i believe.

Also great news to read regarding sales PHX-LHR-PHX on business class seats!!! Hopefully this will end a lot of PHX is a low end/leisure market only destination.

Does American Airlines have Phoenix on its radar?
Raja told me the airline is watching Phoenix as a place for possible international expansion. But a flight to Tokyo? He says that's unlikely right now.

"The West Coast to Asia is so well connected and there's such great connections from Phoenix to all of those markets that it's really tough to see what we can do uniquely out of Phoenix," Raja said.

He quickly notes that things can change, especially as Phoenix grows. However, he points to Latin America as a place that might make more immediate sense for new international flights, because of economic ties to Phoenix and the Southwest.

For now, American is paying close attention to the performance of its London nonstop. Raja said it's doing well, especially in sales of business-class seats.

"The success of a route like Phoenix to Heathrow and our ability to drive business-class demand on that is really predictive for being able to do more long-haul stuff out of Phoenix," he said.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/travel/ ... 2887133002

Skytrain777PHX wrote:

AA Widebody Flight Schedules:
another new upgrade to domestic widebody aircraft for Thanksgiving holiday for PHL to PHX and seasonal for DFW, ORD, CLT & HNL to PHX !!! but still no widebody jet from MIA or JFK to PHX.

DAILY - YEARLY-ROUND
LHR-PHX 772 AA195 9:30AM-12:35PM (Arrive at 1:55PM effective 11/27 for London Daylight Saving Time)
PHX-LHR 772 AA194 3:00PM-9:25AM (+1) (Departure at 4:10PM and Arrive at 9:40AM effective 11/27)

11/2/19 till 11/20/19 (Daily — Seasonal)
CLT-PHX 333 AA316 8:00PM-9:28PM (Arrive at 10:32PM effective 11/3 for USA Daylight Saving Time)
PHX-CLT 333 AA498 11:00AM-4:57PM

11/3/19 (Sunday only)
DFW-PHX 788 AA2014 5:00PM-6:33PM

11/4/19 till 11/20/19 (Daily — Seasonal)
DFW-PHX 788 AA1910 7:15AM-8:49AM
PHX-DFW 788 AA1887 9:58AM-1:18PM
DFW-PHX 788 AA2014 3:15PM-4:44PM
PHX-DFW 788 AA1744 5:55PM-9:08PM
DFW-PHX 788 AA339 7:00PM-8:37PM on 11/9 & 11/16 only
PHX-DFW 788 AA1295 9:50PM-12:58AM on 11/9 & 11/16 only

11/3/19 till 11/20/19 (Daily — Seasonal)
ORD-PHX 788 AA876 8:35AM-11:24AM
PHX-ORD 788 AA615 1:10PM-5:32PM

11/21/19 till 12/3/19 (Daily — Seasonal)
ORD-PHX 788 AA447 7:15AM-10:05AM (except 11/29), new flight #AA426 effective 11/23
ORD-PHX 788 AA1352 8:55AM-11:43AM (11/30 only)
PHX-ORD 788 AA603 11:25AM-3:55PM (except 11/29), new flight #AA114 effective 11/30
PHX-ORD 788 AA888 1:09PM-5:31PM (11/30 only)
ORD-PHX 788 AA1706 3:39PM-6:20PM (except 11/28 & 11/29), new flight #AA202 effective 12/1
PHX-ORD 788 AA630 8:10PM-12:32AM (+1) (except 11/28 & 11/29)

11/22/19, 11/26/19 & 11/27/19 (Friday, Tuesday & Wednesday only)
PHL-PHX 332 AA2478 6:05PM-9:27PM
PHX-PHL 332 AA2890 10:50PM-5:06AM (+1)

11/30/19 (Saturday only)
PHL-PHX 332 AA2478 6:07PM-9:29PM
PHX-PHL 332 AA547 10:50PM-5:06AM (+1)

11/26/19 & 11/27/19 (Tuesday & Wednesday only)
DFW-PHX 772 AA1887 7:00AM-8:33AM
PHX-DFW 772 AA1887 9:38AM-12:54PM (different flight #AA3 on 11/27)
DFW-PHX 772 AA2014 3:15PM-4:45PM
PHX-DFW 772 AA235 5:55PM-9:09PM

11/29/19 (Friday only)
CLT-PHX 333 AA1696 6:00PM-8:35PM

11/30/19 (Saturday only)
PHX-CLT 333 AA1664 9:40AM-3:35PM

11/30/19 (Saturday only)
DFW-PHX 772 AA1887 7:13AM-8:48AM
PHX-DFW 772 AA1887 9:49AM-1:08PM
DFW-PHX 788 AA2014 3:15AM4:44PM
PHX-DFW 788 AA631 5:55PM-9:08PM

12/1/19 (Sunday only)
DFW-PHX 788 AA1887 7:05AM-8:38AM
PHX-DFW 788 AA1887 9:38AM-12:53PM
DFW-PHX 789 AA2014 3:25PM-4:54PM
PHX-DFW 789 AA631 6:05PM-9:22PM
DFW-PHX 788 AA2733 11:59PM-1:27AM (+1)

12/2/19 (Monday only)
PHX-DFW 788 AA698 5:00AM-8:11AM

12/18/19 till 4/6/20 (Daily – Seasonal)
PHX-HNL 333 AA692 12:05PM-4:00PM
HNL-PHX 333 AA693 10:40PM-7:41AM (+1)

12/18/19 till 4/7/20 (Daily - Seasonal) Coming soon
CLT-PHX 333
PHX-CLT 333

I've been waiting for this. Also that single 789 flight is exciting.

One thing, I know PHX plans to connect T3 and T4 airside; I just wonder how will this be accomplished. Would an airside bridge between the terminals be possible without interfering with traffic on the tarmac? Also, it seems like it would be a long walk, so maybe a train between the two would be a good idea?

How many people actually want to connect between T3 and T4?

MO11 wrote:

1337Delta764 wrote:

Would an airside bridge between the terminals be possible without interfering with traffic on the tarmac?

It would have to be as high as the Skytrain bridge over Taxiway R. And if you can get around the TRACON, the Terminal 3 garage is in the way.

1337Delta764 wrote:

Also, it seems like it would be a long walk, so maybe a train between the two would be a good idea?

When Terminal 4 was built, a tunnel was built for a connection between the two terminals. I don't know what became of it.

I’ve heard it’s a challenge to build a bridge that can span dual ADG-V taxiways (and even taxilanes) without exceeding the cost of a tunnel. If a connector tunnel was already considered when T4 was built - similar to the soil prep that occurred for the planned underground transit station - it sounds like that’s the preferred option.

The connector proposal would seem to have it located north of the roadway core where C-point and the former DCS barn are currently located, so it would avoid a conflict with the TRACON/garage.

PhilMcCrackin wrote:

How many people actually want to connect between T3 and T4?

Depending on who occupies the new concourse east of T3N, there could be quite a few people making airside connections between the two.

In the studies done within the last year or so they have discussed this. It's well after they add a 2nd concourse to the north side of T3. Someone with better computer/organizational skills than I should be able to find it. IIRC I read this in a posting on this forum.

Also, since HA might be staying in T3S due to lack of widebody gate availability in T3N, does this mean NK might be bumped to T3N? I know HA was originally supposed to go to T3N and NK was originally supposed to go to T3S. I think the reason why HA was originally going to move to T3N was because they originally planned to switch to the A321neo on the Hawaii flights from PHX, but now they decided to go with the A332 instead.

1337Delta764 wrote:

Also, since HA might be staying in T3S due to lack of widebody gate availability in T3N, does this mean NK might be bumped to T3N? I know HA was originally supposed to go to T3N and NK was originally supposed to go to T3S. I think the reason why HA was originally going to move to T3N was because they originally planned to switch to the A321neo on the Hawaii flights from PHX, but now they decided to go with the A332 instead.

HA will be going back to T3N when they reopen and the old F9 RON pad across from gate 20 will be upgraded to fit HA's RON.

austwin wrote:

In the studies done within the last year or so they have discussed this. It's well after they add a 2nd concourse to the north side of T3. Someone with better computer/organizational skills than I should be able to find it. IIRC I read this in a posting on this forum.

Skyharbor.com/camp has the documents you are looking for.

wn676 wrote:

MO11 wrote:

1337Delta764 wrote:

Would an airside bridge between the terminals be possible without interfering with traffic on the tarmac?

It would have to be as high as the Skytrain bridge over Taxiway R. And if you can get around the TRACON, the Terminal 3 garage is in the way.

1337Delta764 wrote:

Also, it seems like it would be a long walk, so maybe a train between the two would be a good idea?

When Terminal 4 was built, a tunnel was built for a connection between the two terminals. I don't know what became of it.

I’ve heard it’s a challenge to build a bridge that can span dual ADG-V taxiways (and even taxilanes) without exceeding the cost of a tunnel. If a connector tunnel was already considered when T4 was built - similar to the soil prep that occurred for the planned underground transit station - it sounds like that’s the preferred option.

The connector proposal would seem to have it located north of the roadway core where C-point and the former DCS barn are currently located, so it would avoid a conflict with the TRACON/garage.

One of the documents produced by Ricardo (the company hired to do the ALP) had a drawing in it that showed it going below the taxiway just east of gate 141 and the coming back up on the south side of the service road at A18. They showed escalators in both areas.

Anybody know why HA has two A330s in PHX tonight. HA36 and about two minutes later HA8736.

TUSPHX wrote:

Anybody know why HA has two A330s in PHX tonight. HA36 and about two minutes later HA8736.

Raiders were in town for a Thursday game against the Cardinals. Maybe they are finally flying back home?

MO11 wrote:

Ferry here to spend the night at PHX. Wednesday ferry to TUS. Then continue back to HNL to take the Arizona Wildcats to play against the Rainbow Warriors.

Do you know why it didn't just go straight to TUS.

Heads up for anyone in the PHX area, Honeywell will be letting people in to see the Convair..

"On Monday, Aug. 26 from 9-11 a.m. a gate will be open for employees who would like to see the Convair 580 aircraft in celebration of its 67th birthday. This aircraft is on its way to retirement and employees who would like to see it can enter through Gate 1 on Air Lane, but will need to go through security. Those with airport access can enter from the gate adjacent to the frontage road next to Taxiway A."

Maybe it's just my imagination, but it seems like there is a whole lot more aircraft using the north runway for departures now than there have been in a really long time (since the early 2000s). Was there a recent ATC change or something for departures?

TripleA wrote:

Maybe it's just my imagination, but it seems like there is a whole lot more aircraft using the north runway for departures now than there have been in a really long time (since the early 2000s). Was there a recent ATC change or something for departures?

Could it be weather related? I'm curious if the recent spat of high temperatures require the cushion of the additional 1,199 in runway length that the north runway has over 7L/25R.

Vctony wrote:

TripleA wrote:

Maybe it's just my imagination, but it seems like there is a whole lot more aircraft using the north runway for departures now than there have been in a really long time (since the early 2000s). Was there a recent ATC change or something for departures?

Could it be weather related? I'm curious if the recent spat of high temperatures require the cushion of the additional 1,199 in runway length that the north runway has over 7L/25R.

Some of it is high temp related for sure during the middle of the day but there have been a good handful of flights using it in AM as well when it is still in the 90s. I think part of it has to do with the construction going on at the Southwest hangar and not wanting to send planes down Romeo as I'm only seeing it while on West flow.

A Jetblue A321N made an appearance in PHX today. Was scheduled JFK-LGB as B6 6801 unknown what caused the diversion

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/JBU ... /KJFK/KPHX

Correct me if I am wrong, but...aren't Condor and Eurowings part of the Lufthansa Group both? And...I wonder how this will affect Condor's Phoenix flights?

AntonioMartin wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong, but...aren't Condor and Eurowings part of the Lufthansa Group both? And...I wonder how this will affect Condor's Phoenix flights?

Condor is not part of the Lufthansa Group. They used to be, and they might be again now that Thomas Cook is putting them up for sale, but they aren't currently owned by LH. If/when LH buys them, then there may be some changes.

atcsundevil wrote:

AntonioMartin wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong, but...aren't Condor and Eurowings part of the Lufthansa Group both? And...I wonder how this will affect Condor's Phoenix flights?

Condor is not part of the Lufthansa Group. They used to be, and they might be again now that Thomas Cook is putting them up for sale, but they aren't currently owned by LH. If/when LH buys them, then there may be some changes.

Thanks!!

I dont know if I missed the answer to this, but does anyone know why AA's PHX-FLL is only operating 12/18-01/06?

atcsundevil wrote:

AntonioMartin wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong, but...aren't Condor and Eurowings part of the Lufthansa Group both? And...I wonder how this will affect Condor's Phoenix flights?

Condor is not part of the Lufthansa Group. They used to be, and they might be again now that Thomas Cook is putting them up for sale, but they aren't currently owned by LH. If/when LH buys them, then there may be some changes.

Does anyone else think Condor may pull out? when LH entered both AUS & SAN they cancelled service, I know EW is still not LH but part of LH Group, what are your thoughts?