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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:33 am

Atlas is bringing a 744 into CMH tonight to arrive at 4:15am: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/5y8204

CMHtraveler wrote:
Robert1010 wrote:
In case anyone is wondering , just got off the inaugural LCK-CHS , it carried 177 pax , pretty impressive!!


Nice! There seems to be endless summer demand for Ohio-Carolinas travel. I’m more likely to find a neighbor in the outer banks during July than walking down my street.


Truth be told, I'm not surprised at all multiple airlines are able to coexist on CMH/LCK-MYR for that reason.
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:29 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
Not sure how accurate FR24 is, but the first week's worth of CMH-SFO (inaugural is tomorrow) is showing everything from a 319 to a 739.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ua1585

Useless trivia is that the first flight will be run on one of the ex-China Southern A320s.


FWIW, looking through the remainder of the week, loads look pretty good as well. Most flights have about 20 seats open or less (both directions). What yields are like is a different story. But big picture, hopefully this strong start is sign of good future performance.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:50 pm

https://radio.wosu.org/post/columbus-wa ... isco-route

No earth-shattering revelations in this article but it is interesting that Nardone points the reporter to Matt McQuade of Columbus 2020, and he describes Europe as the next goal for CMH and specifically lists Dublin, London, or Paris as targets.

In addition, I enjoy the fact that the accompanying photo for an article about new UA service to SFO shows a woman on the day of the inaugural, waiting at the gate clearly decorated with UA colors and described in detail in the article, clearly holding a ticket marked “CMH to SFO” with the UA logo, and the caption says the woman is “waiting for a Delta flight”. :lol:
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:28 pm

CMHtraveler wrote:
https://radio.wosu.org/post/columbus-wants-land-more-direct-flights-starting-new-san-francisco-route

No earth-shattering revelations in this article but it is interesting that Nardone points the reporter to Matt McQuade of Columbus 2020, and he describes Europe as the next goal for CMH and specifically lists Dublin, London, or Paris as targets.

In addition, I enjoy the fact that the accompanying photo for an article about new UA service to SFO shows a woman on the day of the inaugural, waiting at the gate clearly decorated with UA colors and described in detail in the article, clearly holding a ticket marked “CMH to SFO” with the UA logo, and the caption says the woman is “waiting for a Delta flight”. :lol:


Good find. So the obvious suitors for the cities he listed are EI, AA/BA/somebody like DY, and DL.
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:02 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
Good find. So the obvious suitors for the cities he listed are EI, AA/BA/somebody like DY, and DL.


While I could see BA possibly adding CMH-LHR nonstop service, AA is unlikely to add CMH-LHR nonstop service since RDU is currently the only non-AA hub destination that has nonstop service to LHR on AA whereas BA already serves LHR nonstop from some non-AA hub airports in the US such as ATL, AUS, BWI, BOS, DEN, IAH, LAS, BNA, MSY, EWR, PIT, SAN, SFO, SJC, SEA, and IAD.

DL adding CMH-CDG nonstop service is a possibility as DL already serves CDG nonstop from IND in addition to its hubs, its CVG focus city, and its RDU focus city.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:14 pm

i wouldn’t get too excited about sfo until the fall. Summer is too easy! I don’t feel like doing this but a fare comparison between cmh pit CLE Cvg (on delta for that one) would be interesting, say 1 day out 1 week out 1 month out.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:12 pm

Does anyone know what the load factors are like on CVG-PHX in March 2019? WN could extend CVG-PHX nonstop service to daily year-round nonstop service if WN was actually doing well on CVG-PHX since WN has a FF base in Greater Phoenix and Southern California to support CVG-PHX nonstop service and since there are many WN FF's in Greater Phoenix and Greater San Diego who would choose WN over DL or F9.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:20 pm

Amazon service at ILN (re)starts as early was the first week of July per the Amazon thread. Atlas starts in August.
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:24 pm

Today’s enilria OAG thread includes a lengthy list of MAX-related WN cuts for August- none of which include CMH or CVG. What (if anything) should we infer from this? Can’t speak for CVG, but WN ran the MAX regularly on routes at CMH, especially MCO and HOU. Most notably, IND-OAK is cut while the previously pronounced dead CMH-OAK continues to operate. It was posted on another thread that WN publicly stated they would make cuts based on route performance, so I presume this is a good sign for both airports?
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:30 pm

Frontier is adding 4 new seasonal routes from CVG: MSY, SRQ, MIA, and FLL. No new routes to CVG unfortunately, but it's nice to see more MSY service and F9 expanding again after all their cutbacks.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2 ... 485308001/
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:19 pm

I’ll ask again, what is going on with the CVG master plan? There hasn’t been anything posted to the website under the documents section.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:34 pm

jtwall wrote:
Frontier is adding 4 new seasonal routes from CVG: MSY, SRQ, MIA, and FLL. No new routes to CVG unfortunately, but it's nice to see more MSY service and F9 expanding again after all their cutbacks.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2 ... 485308001/

Fort Lauderdale AND Miami? :confused:
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:10 pm

Some quick CMH tidbits:

Looks like a 772 made a visit to CMH this morning, arriving from BGR and going to ONT:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CMB ... /KCMH/KONT

Given the flight name, I'm guessing it was a military charter.

Today, United announced a series of college football extra sections:

https://hub.united.com/united-seasonal- ... m=referral

Included is CMH-LNK-CMH on 9-27/9-29 on an E75 and MSN-CMH-MSN on 10-25/10-27 on a 739. Delta has historically done the same for college football traffic, but has yet to announce anything. DL will be running a CMH-MSN-CMH round trip for the Epic User Group Meeting in late August.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Fri Jun 21, 2019 5:06 pm

Dayton Air Show weekend! Weather looks good for the most part. I wonder who brought this beauty in, though: https://twitter.com/RachelANews/status/ ... 1411671040
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:55 pm

CMH-SLC's (re-)inaugural was yesterday and there are photos and video on CMH's Instagram and Facebook.

The gate utilization for all the mainline is interesting. Using today, going in chronological order:
2197 ATL C48 738
2423 MSP C49 738
2419 ATL C50 739
2404 SLC C51 319
2746 LAX C55 739
1438 ATL C56 738

DL must be splitting C49 with AS and has finally retrenched all the way back up to where they originally were with C48. I wouldn't mind leaving from 48 as opposed to that hike to the end.
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:11 pm

Interesting...I'm flying CMH to SFO in July on UA and the equipment is a 737-900. WOW...that's a helluva upgrade from A320. I'm wondering if this is an indication of better than expected occupancy, or just random equipment assignment.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:00 pm

Long time lurker, first time poster. I thought I should share a few interesting CMH tidbits I noticed in the June CRAA agenda (which can be found here: https://columbusairports.com/storage/pr ... 062519.pdf):
- Overall traffic up 7.7% compared to last May
- United passengers up an impressive 17.7% compared to last May
- Load factor for first month of Alaska service was 92.1
- Target new destinations were reported by the air service committee - AUS, SAN, SAT, MCI, PDX
- Ongoing quest for service to "gateway hub" in Europe/Asia
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:11 am

CMHMarc787 wrote:
Interesting...I'm flying CMH to SFO in July on UA and the equipment is a 737-900. WOW...that's a helluva upgrade from A320. I'm wondering if this is an indication of better than expected occupancy, or just random equipment assignment.


I was hoping to try out the new flights but they are about double the price of a connecting flight for the dates I need.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:19 am

ILN is back in business. The first three arrivals this afternoon were DFW, SMF, and CLT-ILN.

etpla wrote:
Long time lurker, first time poster. I thought I should share a few interesting CMH tidbits I noticed in the June CRAA agenda (which can be found here: https://columbusairports.com/storage/pr ... 062519.pdf):
- Overall traffic up 7.7% compared to last May
- United passengers up an impressive 17.7% compared to last May
- Load factor for first month of Alaska service was 92.1
- Target new destinations were reported by the air service committee - AUS, SAN, SAT, MCI, PDX
- Ongoing quest for service to "gateway hub" in Europe/Asia


Welcome, and thanks for this. MCI and SAN make plenty of sense as likely targets (on WN), but PDX seems new and would almost have to be AS. F9 adding AUS and SAT now seem to make a bit more sense now (along with G4's AUS), even though all were dropped; I don't know who would add either unless DL were to add to their "focus city" at AUS.

This was also interesting- "Staff recently attended an air service conference and received quality feedback from the airlines. Air carriers are pleased with our market’s performance, and are looking for opportunities to add capacity mainly via larger aircraft on existing routes."

DL and UA have been good with adding mainline, though DTW/LGA and IAH/EWR are still all on RJs. AA has just recently added mainline with ORD, but there are a bunch of cities they serve on RJs and I've never understood how CMH-MIA can't get anything bigger than an ERJ.
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:36 am

DeltaRules wrote:
ILN is back in business. The first three arrivals this afternoon were DFW, SMF, and CLT-ILN.

etpla wrote:
Long time lurker, first time poster. I thought I should share a few interesting CMH tidbits I noticed in the June CRAA agenda (which can be found here: https://columbusairports.com/storage/pr ... 062519.pdf):
- Overall traffic up 7.7% compared to last May
- United passengers up an impressive 17.7% compared to last May
- Load factor for first month of Alaska service was 92.1
- Target new destinations were reported by the air service committee - AUS, SAN, SAT, MCI, PDX
- Ongoing quest for service to "gateway hub" in Europe/Asia


DL and UA have been good with adding mainline, though DTW/LGA and IAH/EWR are still all on RJs. AA has just recently added mainline with ORD, but there are a bunch of cities they serve on RJs and I've never understood how CMH-MIA can't get anything bigger than an ERJ.


Welcome! Just as clarification, it’s the third full month of service for AS, but nonetheless good to see the load factor up to 92! It was 84 for both previous months. I hope prices are at a sustainable level for the continuation/expansion of AS service as well. As far as upguages to mainline, it’s been exciting to see the recent additions across the legacies in recent months. Here’s my current mainline wishlist:

AA: MIA (that’s a loooong flight on an ERJ, you would think at very least connections and the CMH YX maintenance base would warrant an e175 to their hub)
DL: BOS (as part of their strategy to build up that city and compete with WN on that route)
UA: IAH (AA and WN are all mainline to Texas already)
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:43 am

Really pleased to see the numbers for AS. As mentioned, hopefully the price point is at a level where these full flights are also profitable. Here's hoping they maintain that moment well after the busy summer months.

CMHtraveler wrote:
As far as upguages to mainline, it’s been exciting to see the recent additions across the legacies in recent months. Here’s my current mainline wishlist:

AA: MIA (that’s a loooong flight on an ERJ, you would think at very least connections and the CMH YX maintenance base would warrant an e175 to their hub)
DL: BOS (as part of their strategy to build up that city and compete with WN on that route)
UA: IAH (AA and WN are all mainline to Texas already)


I think the problem with CMH-MIA is there just isn't demand for the 9-12 first class seats they would be sending on an E75. The route seems to perform better with more frequency (now up to 4x daily). That plus the Envoy ER4-series maintenance base at CMH sentences the route to remain with 50-seat aircraft.

CMH-BOS was only recently upgauged to E70/E75s and I don't think the demand currently exists for mainline. I'd love to be proven wrong, though.

I definitely agree that CMH-IAH should have at least one mainline frequency. I'm glad that it no longer sees 50-seat equipment, however it really should be 5x daily at least. I'd like to CMH-MSP bumped back to 5x daily as well and for AA to keep CMH-DFW at 5x daily year-round. That's my wish-list at this point.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:08 pm

It looks like CVG is getting a new airline (of sorts).

Reports are that WestJet Q400s may replace CRJ2s on CVG-YYZ.

This seems like a clever solution that allows for further drawdown of 50-seater ops.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/westjet-d ... to-canada/
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:19 pm

WWads wrote:
It looks like CVG is getting a new airline (of sorts).

Reports are that WestJet Q400s may replace CRJ2s on CVG-YYZ.

This seems like a clever solution that allows for further drawdown of 50-seater ops.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/westjet-d ... to-canada/


It'd be a way to add seats as well, but would that come at the cost of a YYZ frequency?

Loosely related, I noticed yesterday that C49 at CMH has a new parking line for the Q400 and was trying to figure out who could operate those to the airport. It could be reading way too much into it, but it'd basically come down to WS and/or PD (AC is with UA on Concourse B).
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:40 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
WWads wrote:
It looks like CVG is getting a new airline (of sorts).

Reports are that WestJet Q400s may replace CRJ2s on CVG-YYZ.

This seems like a clever solution that allows for further drawdown of 50-seater ops.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/westjet-d ... to-canada/


It'd be a way to add seats as well, but would that come at the cost of a YYZ frequency?

Loosely related, I noticed yesterday that C49 at CMH has a new parking line for the Q400 and was trying to figure out who could operate those to the airport. It could be reading way too much into it, but it'd basically come down to WS and/or PD (AC is with UA on Concourse B).


I'd prefer 1x daily year-round vs 2x daily seasonal.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:56 pm

Anyone know the story with all the SFO-CMH one-offs tonight? One AS 320 and one UA 739.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ASA ... /KSFO/KCMH

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL ... /KSFO/KCMH
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 2:27 am

CMHtraveler wrote:
Anyone know the story with all the SFO-CMH one-offs tonight? One AS 320 and one UA 739.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ASA ... /KSFO/KCMH

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL ... /KSFO/KCMH

Not officially I don't, but it looks like both flights went to West Virginia first and did a bunch of flying in circles before they headed up to CMH.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 2:39 am

ChasChandler wrote:
CMHtraveler wrote:
Anyone know the story with all the SFO-CMH one-offs tonight? One AS 320 and one UA 739.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ASA ... /KSFO/KCMH

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL ... /KSFO/KCMH

Not officially I don't, but it looks like both flights went to West Virginia first and did a bunch of flying in circles before they headed up to CMH.


I'm going to guess they're both IAD/DCA diversions. The weather looked nasty there earlier.
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 3:03 am

DeltaRules wrote:
ChasChandler wrote:
CMHtraveler wrote:
Anyone know the story with all the SFO-CMH one-offs tonight? One AS 320 and one UA 739.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ASA ... /KSFO/KCMH

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL ... /KSFO/KCMH

Not officially I don't, but it looks like both flights went to West Virginia first and did a bunch of flying in circles before they headed up to CMH.


I'm going to guess they're both IAD/DCA diversions. The weather looked nasty there earlier.


Thanks! I sort of put two and two together after posting the question because the place was packed with a myriad of unexpected aircraft around 7:30pm. In addition to the AS 320, DL had all gates full with four 738/9s and a 319, UA had a 320 plus the aforementioned 739 sitting on the ramp with no gate space, AA had what looked to be 2 738s, a 319, and a 190, and at one point WN had two aircraft on hardstands, one at the end of A and one tucked in between AA birds on the B concourse. The deice/RON area was full of YX aircraft as well and I’m sure there was more I couldn’t see. Busy night at CMH!
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 2:19 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
ChasChandler wrote:
CMHtraveler wrote:
Anyone know the story with all the SFO-CMH one-offs tonight? One AS 320 and one UA 739.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ASA ... /KSFO/KCMH

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL ... /KSFO/KCMH

Not officially I don't, but it looks like both flights went to West Virginia first and did a bunch of flying in circles before they headed up to CMH.


I'm going to guess they're both IAD/DCA diversions. The weather looked nasty there earlier.


DCA was an absolute disaster yesterday. There was maybe an hour of ops after 5 with the weather and the ATC shutdowns due to the flyovers.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:04 pm

I would think upguaging CMH-LGA to mainline during peak hours would come before CMH-AUS by DL. Perhaps it is wishful thinking, but it would be a great A220 route if not a 717 route.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:59 pm

Pudelhund wrote:
I would think upguaging CMH-LGA to mainline during peak hours would come before CMH-AUS by DL. Perhaps it is wishful thinking, but it would be a great A220 route if not a 717 route.


AA has thrown an E190 for a single frequency for the summer. Maybe a sign of times to come? Piggybacking off that, it'd be nice to see UA upgauge a frequency to mainline as well, though that's likely still a ways off, considering there's still 50-seaters being flown between CMH/EWR.

Agreed, sounds like a great route for the A220
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:16 pm

Apparently UA’s 738 in the new livery (N37267) operated the morning ORD-CMH-ORD run yesterday. The CMH Facebook posted a nice photo:

https://www.facebook.com/50961568286/po ... =0&sfns=mo

She was only on the ground for about an hour, from 10am-11am. Anyone catch her in person?
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:11 pm

CMHtraveler wrote:
Apparently UA’s 738 in the new livery (N37267) operated the morning ORD-CMH-ORD run yesterday. The CMH Facebook posted a nice photo:

https://www.facebook.com/50961568286/po ... =0&sfns=mo

She was only on the ground for about an hour, from 10am-11am. Anyone catch her in person?


If you're wondering why it's North of 28R, taxiway E is closed from about E4 West. We rolled (and had to backtaxi a bit) to F4 the other night, then crossed the runway at F2/E3 on a DL 738 the other night.
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:47 pm

CMHtraveler wrote:
Apparently UA’s 738 in the new livery (N37267) operated the morning ORD-CMH-ORD run yesterday. The CMH Facebook posted a nice photo:

https://www.facebook.com/50961568286/po ... =0&sfns=mo

She was only on the ground for about an hour, from 10am-11am. Anyone catch her in person?

I don't mean to be a stick in the mud, but to me, UA's new livery is almost identical to UA's old livery.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:54 pm

CMH Original Terminal open house 12-4 today. Free and open to the public. Check the Ohio Historical Society's website or Facebook for details.

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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:39 pm

I can't edit my previous post, but there's a 1988 Dispatch article on display at the event which talks about Concourse A and its seven gates being the first of 23 new gates which were planned to come to the airport. Concourse C would eventually add 11 more, but does anyone know where the other five would have gone?

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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:20 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
I can't edit my previous post, but there's a 1988 Dispatch article on display at the event which talks about Concourse A and its seven gates being the first of 23 new gates which were planned to come to the airport. Concourse C would eventually add 11 more, but does anyone know where the other five would have gone?

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If I can jolt my foggy memory, I believe the additional gates came from the 'T' at the end of concourse B. The original B was a straight line concourse http://vintagetravelpostcards.blogspot. ... -ohio.html
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:57 am

ChasChandler wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
I can't edit my previous post, but there's a 1988 Dispatch article on display at the event which talks about Concourse A and its seven gates being the first of 23 new gates which were planned to come to the airport. Concourse C would eventually add 11 more, but does anyone know where the other five would have gone?

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If I can jolt my foggy memory, I believe the additional gates came from the 'T' at the end of concourse B. The original B was a straight line concourse http://vintagetravelpostcards.blogspot. ... -ohio.html


Somebody scanned a bunch of old OAG terminal diagrams into an album a while ago and I'm having trouble finding them (the link was posted on A.net), but I seem to remember a 1985 CMH diagram where the T was completed and that EA and US were two of the occupants. I've seen pictures which showed EA at (what are now) B35 and 36.

A1-7 (31 to 37 at the time) were opened in 1988, then C48-51 (C2-5 at the time) opened in 1995 and C52-56 in 2002. I don't know if they counted C46 as a new gate, as it was there before they added C.
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:10 am

Not news, but just an observation on the ULCC market in Cincinnati. I’ve noticed both Southwest and especially Allegiant have been very present in the Cincinnati market with sponsorship, while Frontier has been noticeably absent. Southwest at Washington Park, Allegiant with FC Cincinnati and Fountain Square, among others I’m sure. Good to see their commitment to the market.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:42 am

June numbers have been posted for CVG:

June 2019 up 3.72% over 2018.
YTD up 2.96%

http://www.cvgairport.com/docs/default- ... u-june.pdf

Solid showing overall, and a record June for local pax traffic apparently. The article below mentions that AA, surprisingly, has surged in growth the most and was up over 14% in June and is now the second-largest airline by pax at CVG. AA has up-gauged a third CVG-DFW flight to mainline, all MD-80 currently, but has posted growth in nearly all nonstop markets it serves. Wonder if we could see them add CVG-LAX or PHX at some point in the near future if their growth continues?

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/ ... s_headline

I flew through CVG earlier in the month. Lots of construction underway roadside with the consolidated rental car facility and reworked road entry to the airport. The new facility looks to be a HUGE improvement over the current experience. Set for a 2021 completion currently: http://www.cvgairport.com/docs/default- ... f?sfvrsn=6
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:32 pm

flyguy89 wrote:
Solid showing overall, and a record June for local pax traffic apparently. The article below mentions that AA, surprisingly, has surged in growth the most and was up over 14% in June and is now the second-largest airline by pax at CVG. AA has up-gauged a third CVG-DFW flight to mainline, all MD-80 currently, but has posted growth in nearly all nonstop markets it serves. Wonder if we could see them add CVG-LAX or PHX at some point in the near future if their growth continues?

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/ ... s_headline


I previously mentioned that WN extending CVG-PHX nonstop service to year-round is a possibility since (a) WN already has nonstop service out of PHX to some destinations that AA doesn't serve nonstop from PHX, (b) WN has a FF base in Greater Phoenix and Southern California to support year-round PHX-CVG nonstop service, and (c) there are some travelers in Greater Phoenix who prefer to fly on WN over AA, DL, or F9.

I agree that AA adding CVG-LAX nonstop service is a possibility since AA has more market share at LAX than DL or UA do.

AA will face a plane shortage in its mainline fleet this fall with the retirement of its MD-80's and the grounding of its 737 MAX planes, but AA will be taking delivery of a few more used A319's along with some more new A321neo planes. WN also already faces a plane shortage as a result of the 737 MAX groundings that have forced WN to temporarily suspend some nonstop routes.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:04 am

At least one delta widebody at cmh tonight after storms in Detroit.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:27 pm

The July CRAA Board Agenda is out. June CMH and LCK highlights:

CMH
- YTD 1st half 2019 pax up 6.6% to over 4.2 million, breaking last years record numbers.
- YOY June pax up 4.4% overall.
- June stats include the two new daily flights, UA to SFO and DL to SLC.
- UA again leads the pack with 19%(!) YOY growth, followed by AA, NK, DL, and AC respectively.
- F9 down 9% (unsurprisingly) and WN down 8% (somewhat surprisingly, although with 58 fewer landings recorded I’m assuming this is MAX fallout?)
- AS June load factor was 97% (Yes, it’s summer, but wow!)
- The deice pad is being expanded over the existing east RON spaces from 6 to 11 spots to accommodate growth (winter deice waits during the morning rush last year were quite long, I’m glad this is being addressed).

LCK
- Cargo is down 18% (Nardone notes this is the result of a “global dip” in air cargo)
- G4 is up 14% (nice rebound from a few months of contraction)
- G4 stats include the new flight to CHS.

https://columbusairports.com/storage/pr ... 072319.pdf
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:58 pm

CMHtraveler wrote:
The July CRAA Board Agenda is out. June CMH and LCK highlights:

CMH
- YTD 1st half 2019 pax up 6.6% to over 4.2 million, breaking last years record numbers.
- YOY June pax up 4.4% overall.
- June stats include the two new daily flights, UA to SFO and DL to SLC.
- UA again leads the pack with 19%(!) YOY growth, followed by AA, NK, DL, and AC respectively.
- F9 down 9% (unsurprisingly) and WN down 8% (somewhat surprisingly, although with 58 fewer landings recorded I’m assuming this is MAX fallout?)
- AS June load factor was 97% (Yes, it’s summer, but wow!)
- The deice pad is being expanded over the existing east RON spaces from 6 to 11 spots to accommodate growth (winter deice waits during the morning rush last year were quite long, I’m glad this is being addressed).

LCK
- Cargo is down 18% (Nardone notes this is the result of a “global dip” in air cargo)
- G4 is up 14% (nice rebound from a few months of contraction)
- G4 stats include the new flight to CHS.

https://columbusairports.com/storage/pr ... 072319.pdf


Thanks for the rundown. 97% on AS is astonishing.

Here's another interesting tidbit:
Chair Heifner requested the committee research attaining Global Entry processing services for John Glenn Columbus International Airport.


With a handful of CUN and PUJ flights, is there much use to Global Entry at CMH? Unless, you know, there'd be another flight which would make it more useful? Global Entry always did strike me as something which was more business-oriented... ;)
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:15 pm

I ran across an article yesterday, about the possibility of Air France & KLM flying to Delta focus cities, like CVG, in 2020. I love the photo that backs the article's headline, but I was disappointed with the article itself because I didn't think it told me anything new. But, I could have missed something, so here's the link. Tell us what y'all think, thanks for the replies & have a great weekend!

https://thepointsguy.com/news/air-franc ... expansion/
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:37 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
Here's another interesting tidbit:
Chair Heifner requested the committee research attaining Global Entry processing services for John Glenn Columbus International Airport.


With a handful of CUN and PUJ flights, is there much use to Global Entry at CMH? Unless, you know, there'd be another flight which would make it more useful? Global Entry always did strike me as something which was more business-oriented... ;)


Good catch. I wonder if this is something an airport does to help attract international flights or something an airport does when it knows something we don’t about what is in the works? Surely it’s not intended for the aforementioned seasonal vacation routes.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:01 pm

SkyVoice wrote:
I ran across an article yesterday, about the possibility of Air France & KLM flying to Delta focus cities, like CVG, in 2020. I love the photo that backs the article's headline, but I was disappointed with the article itself because I didn't think it told me anything new. But, I could have missed something, so here's the link. Tell us what y'all think, thanks for the replies & have a great weekend!

https://thepointsguy.com/news/air-franc ... expansion/


Pulling DL metal off existing TATL routes (like CVG-CDG) could result in expansion opportunities for them, which could be double-wins: new dots connected on both AF/KL metal and their own. We know they have the focus cities (SJC, BNA, AUS) in play, plus others (again, like CMH, as we've alluded to often in here in the last couple years) which aren't on that list but could be contenders as well.

If it happens, this feels like something which would work to the benefit of their new pet cities first, but RDU and CVG both going to AF/KL would give DL two more 767s to play with, which would make sense on their end if AF/KL hopped also on the others (although those 767s could just be deployed to the focus cities, if not).

...all that said, how much TATL service can BNA and AUS REALLY support? They seem like trendy cities for now, but there's a breaking point for everything.
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:24 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
SkyVoice wrote:
I ran across an article yesterday, about the possibility of Air France & KLM flying to Delta focus cities, like CVG, in 2020. I love the photo that backs the article's headline, but I was disappointed with the article itself because I didn't think it told me anything new. But, I could have missed something, so here's the link. Tell us what y'all think, thanks for the replies & have a great weekend!

https://thepointsguy.com/news/air-franc ... expansion/


Pulling DL metal off existing TATL routes (like CVG-CDG) could result in expansion opportunities for them, which could be double-wins: new dots connected on both AF/KL metal and their own. We know they have the focus cities (SJC, BNA, AUS) in play, plus others (again, like CMH, as we've alluded to often in here in the last couple years) which aren't on that list but could be contenders as well.

If it happens, this feels like something which would work to the benefit of their new pet cities first, but RDU and CVG both going to AF/KL would give DL two more 767s to play with, which would make sense on their end if AF/KL hopped also on the others (although those 767s could just be deployed to the focus cities, if not).

...all that said, how much TATL service can BNA and AUS REALLY support? They seem like trendy cities for now, but there's a breaking point for everything.


AUS has Norwegian British and Lufthansa for Transatlantic flights
BNA only has British. I could see another European flight coming into BNA for the summer travel season. I mean PIT has two transatlantic flights during the summer and it’s a smaller market than AUS and BNA.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:07 pm

SkyVoice wrote:
I ran across an article yesterday, about the possibility of Air France & KLM flying to Delta focus cities, like CVG, in 2020. I love the photo that backs the article's headline, but I was disappointed with the article itself because I didn't think it told me anything new. But, I could have missed something, so here's the link. Tell us what y'all think, thanks for the replies & have a great weekend!

https://thepointsguy.com/news/air-franc ... expansion/


KL would be able to tap into the DL FF base in Greater Cincinnati if KL adds CVG-AMS nonstop service, and KL would also be able to offer 1-stop connecting service to destinations in Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Italy, Scandinavia, Eastern Europe, Africa, the Middle East, and Asia from CVG through AMS if KL adds CVG-AMS nonstop service.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:13 am

CMHtraveler wrote:
The July CRAA Board Agenda is out. June CMH and LCK highlights:

CMH
- YTD 1st half 2019 pax up 6.6% to over 4.2 million, breaking last years record numbers.
- YOY June pax up 4.4% overall.
- June stats include the two new daily flights, UA to SFO and DL to SLC.
- UA again leads the pack with 19%(!) YOY growth, followed by AA, NK, DL, and AC respectively.
- F9 down 9% (unsurprisingly) and WN down 8% (somewhat surprisingly, although with 58 fewer landings recorded I’m assuming this is MAX fallout?)
- AS June load factor was 97% (Yes, it’s summer, but wow!)
- The deice pad is being expanded over the existing east RON spaces from 6 to 11 spots to accommodate growth (winter deice waits during the morning rush last year were quite long, I’m glad this is being addressed).

LCK
- Cargo is down 18% (Nardone notes this is the result of a “global dip” in air cargo)
- G4 is up 14% (nice rebound from a few months of contraction)
- G4 stats include the new flight to CHS.

https://columbusairports.com/storage/pr ... 072319.pdf


Thanks for posting this CMHTraveler. I read it on Friday but had not had the chance to share it yet. I am floored by the AS numbers and equally as shocked about WN. I do not believe there have been a great deal of WN reductions here due to MAX8 issues, so I almost wonder if that was not a fluke of a month. It is going to be interesting to see just where we end up at the end of the year. Hopefully north of 8.5 million passengers. Sounds like AS might also start thinking about a second daily flight. On that note, I notice that they have a great many AA connections when you book on their website. Does anyone know if there are connections from AS here onto destinations via AA? Maybe DCA and LGA? (since those are perimeter restricted?) That might explain both the high AS load factors and some of AA's growth here as well.

On a different note, someone up above asked about the expansion plans back in the late 1980s and 1990s for CMH. When the "new" terminal opened in the early 1980s, there were 18 gates and the T shape was fully in place. The only gate not on the T was the international gate. (where I was able to see Concorde on Sept 11 1985-- big day in my avgeek history!). The expansion plans brought what we know as "A" now- built in one phase- and the "C" gates, built in two phases, as we have talked about before. The part which was never built were the proposed extensions from each end of the T out towards the de-icing pads. Basically these would have extended to the east from present day B29 and B35. These were never built for reasons I do not fully know but suspect that they would not have been too practical due to the distance between them (probably would have been VERY congested). Also, the growth was really not there to justify it at the time. Especially with Skybus getting the modifications they requested and the recession hitting right after. Further, there were more gates in B at the time, which were lost due to TSA expansion and other modifications. I think B20 used to be a (3) gate through one door operation (B16, B18, B20) like B22/24/26 is today) and B15, and B17 were in existence on the other side. Also of note, there was also a plan to connect A and B (and maybe C) post security with a corridor, but that was never constructed-- why I am not sure. (if anyone can correct me or offer more detail, please share!)

One other item on the terminal, which I think we have talked about before but just in case for those new to the forum, when you walk down B there is a down slope in the floor right at gates B25 and B28. That marks the end of the 1958 terminal structure and the start of the new construction. The Ticketing area and everything on B to that point were built on top of the older structure. You can still see some brick elements of that structure on ground level, especially near gate B20/B21. I also have very fond memories of the observation deck which used to be on top of what is now B before the 1981 reconstruction and the cafeteria that was added on the 2nd level, above were the TSA checkpoint was on B.
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